Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Dear Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group Members, I understand that when Saturn is conjunct LoA, LoB or LoC or aspects LoA, LoB or LoC or aspect HA, HB or HC this is full delay and in such case for an event the results could only happen in 3 sector of a bhukti. Now Jupiter can moderate if Jupiter aspects any of the lords (A,B,C) or Saturn (per lesson 16), however if Jupiter is in the sign or star of Saturn or if Jupiter is in Libra even if it does aspect Saturn it cannot moderate delay for event in the length of bhukti. Would this be correct? Are there exceptions to this for example if LOD or E is Saturn and Saturn is with high points for house B in WS could this bring the event to Second Sector then? Thank You, Shalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dear Shalini and other group members, In your statement you have mentioned that if ju aspects lords of ( ABC) will reduce delay, is not correct. on the contrary if ju aspects lord of A and B and or house it will increase delay. Please correct. thanks krushna On 4/26/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: Dear Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group Members,I understand that when Saturn is conjunct LoA, LoB or LoC or aspects LoA, LoB or LoC or aspect HA, HB or HC this is full delay and in such case for an event the results could only happen in 3 sector of a bhukti. Now Jupiter can moderate if Jupiter aspects any of the lords (A,B,C) or Saturn (per lesson 16), however if Jupiter is in the sign or star of Saturn or if Jupiter is in Libra even if it does aspect Saturn it cannot moderate delay for event in the length of bhukti. Would this be correct? Are there exceptions to this for example if LOD or E is Saturn and Saturn is with high points for house B in WS could this bring the event to Second Sector then? Thank You,Shalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dear Guru Ji, Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group, Namaskar, Thank You so much for your reply. I think I am not explaining myself correctly, I apologzise for this. In lesson 16 " procedure for placing event in the length of the bhukti " 1)Look to see if all of the lords of A, B and/or C houses are aspected by Saturn, or 2)if these lords are placed with Saturn, or 3)if Saturn itself is one of the lords and others too are in its aspect This is full Saturn Delay, then it is written; If rules 1 thru 3 are in effect, then the event will be late or delayed. This means we have to divide the entire time length of the sub period into three equal parts. The event will take place in the third part of this sub period. 4)If such is the case that the lords are aspected by Jupiter also, or Saturn is in the aspect of Jupiter, then the event will take place in the 2nd part of the sub period. 5)If ONLY Jupiter alone is aspecting these lords, the events will take place in the first part of the sub period. This means that Saturn, the delay causing planet, is not aspecting, or the significating planet is not having any relation with Saturn (not in the Navamsha of Saturn or sign or constellation ruled by Saturn). For point four I just wanted to make sure that if Jupiter Moderates as per this point,but if Jupiter is in star of Saturn, or sign of Saturn or if Jupiter is in Libra does Jupiter then not moderate in such a case and the event will only take place in third part? Thank You, Shalini , krushana Jugal <krushana wrote: > > Dear Shalini and other group members, > > In your statement you have mentioned that if ju aspects lords > of ( ABC) will reduce delay, is not correct. on the contrary if ju aspects > lord of A and B and or house it will increase delay. Please correct. > thanks > krushna > > > > > On 4/26/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group Members, > > > > I understand that when Saturn is conjunct LoA, LoB or LoC or aspects LoA, > > LoB or LoC or aspect HA, HB or HC this is full delay and in such case for an > > event the results could only happen in 3 sector of a bhukti. Now Jupiter can > > moderate if Jupiter aspects any of the lords (A,B,C) or Saturn (per lesson > > 16), however if Jupiter is in the sign or star of Saturn or if Jupiter is in > > Libra even if it does aspect Saturn it cannot moderate delay for event in > > the length of bhukti. Would this be correct? Are there exceptions to this > > for example if LOD or E is Saturn and Saturn is with high points for house B > > in WS could this bring the event to Second Sector then? > > > > Thank You, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, The essence of this mail is that if there is delay then there is also delay in the sector. If the delay is moderated then the delay in the sector is also moderated. There is also another law which is that “if the delay causing planet is LoD or LoE then if its antra comes after the delay is over then it will give the result in 1st sector”. So for example if Ju is delay causing planet and if Ju’s antra comes after delay is over, then Ju will give the result in the 1st sector if Ju is LoD or LoE. Similarly if Sa is LoD or LoE and its causing delay so after delay, suppose Sa’s antra comes then Sa will give the result in 1st sector. Placing an event properly in a sector will take some practice. Finer nuance and intricacies are involved in proper judgment. Regarding your question, if Ju is aspecting Sa and if Ju itself is in the grasp of Sa i.e. if its in sign, nak or nav of Sa or in libra then it becomes helpless and it can’t moderate the delay of Saturn. So, delay will be there and in most cases depending on antra running it will also delay in the antra. That said, if antra of Sa is running and Sa is lod or loe then it will give in 1st sector. If Ju is also causing delay and if Ju’s antra comes after delay and if Ju is lod or loe then it will give the event in 1st sector itself. Other things also have to be kept in mind such as 0’s in SAV etc. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of shalini3004 Sunday April 26, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Timing in the length of a bhukti Dear Guru Ji, Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group, Namaskar, Thank You so much for your reply. I think I am not explaining myself correctly, I apologzise for this. In lesson 16 " procedure for placing event in the length of the bhukti " 1)Look to see if all of the lords of A, B and/or C houses are aspected by Saturn, or 2)if these lords are placed with Saturn, or 3)if Saturn itself is one of the lords and others too are in its aspect This is full Saturn Delay, then it is written; If rules 1 thru 3 are in effect, then the event will be late or delayed. This means we have to divide the entire time length of the sub period into three equal parts. The event will take place in the third part of this sub period. 4)If such is the case that the lords are aspected by Jupiter also, or Saturn is in the aspect of Jupiter, then the event will take place in the 2nd part of the sub period. 5)If ONLY Jupiter alone is aspecting these lords, the events will take place in the first part of the sub period. This means that Saturn, the delay causing planet, is not aspecting, or the significating planet is not having any relation with Saturn (not in the Navamsha of Saturn or sign or constellation ruled by Saturn). For point four I just wanted to make sure that if Jupiter Moderates as per this point,but if Jupiter is in star of Saturn, or sign of Saturn or if Jupiter is in Libra does Jupiter then not moderate in such a case and the event will only take place in third part? Thank You, Shalini , krushana Jugal <krushana wrote: > > Dear Shalini and other group members, > > In your statement you have mentioned that if ju aspects lords > of ( ABC) will reduce delay, is not correct. on the contrary if ju aspects > lord of A and B and or house it will increase delay. Please correct. > thanks > krushna > > > > > On 4/26/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group Members, > > > > I understand that when Saturn is conjunct LoA, LoB or LoC or aspects LoA, > > LoB or LoC or aspect HA, HB or HC this is full delay and in such case for an > > event the results could only happen in 3 sector of a bhukti. Now Jupiter can > > moderate if Jupiter aspects any of the lords (A,B,C) or Saturn (per lesson > > 16), however if Jupiter is in the sign or star of Saturn or if Jupiter is in > > Libra even if it does aspect Saturn it cannot moderate delay for event in > > the length of bhukti. Would this be correct? Are there exceptions to this > > for example if LOD or E is Saturn and Saturn is with high points for house B > > in WS could this bring the event to Second Sector then? > > > > Thank You, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, I apologize for the delay with my response. You have given me much to understand and very nicely thank you very much. I am looking at timing with charts in the archive the three marriage three divorce one is interesting, but the one I found the native who passed away last year very interesting in understanding timing. Before you explained here how important for timing LoD and LoE could give ultimate timing I was confused how the timing for the native took place in the second part of the antara. I am not timing death I only want to understand how we get to timing more precisely and this is one chart with groups help I will post other charts. This one is easier as you have made it easily available with all the information right there. As you had mentioned there is much to learn before really grasping and giving correct timing for an event I am in no means even close but I hope to get there. Here is my understanding for the charts you put together on your site of the family whose father/husband passed away. Native: October 6, 1947 7:20am 17N42,74E0 Now the chart has Saturn Delay Saturn aspects HC, LoB, and HA in D-9. Jupiter does aspect Saturn and so, I believe can moderate delay. Moreover, I read in a message from Guru ji (I am sorry I cannot find the number) that if Mercury is in First house with more than 4 bindus it becomes eager to give this kind of event. So, Mercury is in HE in D-1 and goes to HD in D-9 and Mercury is Maha dasha Lord with 17 points in WS. Now, antara is Venus (19 pts. in WS) who is SD to Mercury so again we see Mercury involved and in a position to furnish results. So, the result took place in second sector as I believe with the above findings it should. What threw me off and your message cleared for me was that the natives Jupiter is in the star of Saturn so the event should be delayed and this is where I was confused that even if Jupiter aspects Saturn but is in the star of Saturn delay will be full, but you had mentioned that if the delay causing planet which in this case is Saturn is LoD or E in this case is LoD and Mercury who is a strong indicator for the event is SD to Saturn can become eager to give result. I hope I am understanding the Laws correctly but more importantly applying them correctly is essential. I look forward to your and the dear group members response. Thank You, Shalini , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > The essence of this mail is that if there is delay then there is also delay > in the sector. If the delay is moderated then the delay in the sector is > also moderated. > > There is also another law which is that " if the delay causing planet is LoD > or LoE then if its antra comes after the delay is over then it will give the > result in 1st sector " . > > So for example if Ju is delay causing planet and if Ju's antra comes after > delay is over, then Ju will give the result in the 1st sector if Ju is LoD > or LoE. Similarly if Sa is LoD or LoE and its causing delay so after delay, > suppose Sa's antra comes then Sa will give the result in 1st sector. > > Placing an event properly in a sector will take some practice. Finer nuance > and intricacies are involved in proper judgment. > > Regarding your question, if Ju is aspecting Sa and if Ju itself is in the > grasp of Sa i.e. if its in sign, nak or nav of Sa or in libra then it > becomes helpless and it can't moderate the delay of Saturn. So, delay will > be there and in most cases depending on antra running it will also delay in > the antra. That said, if antra of Sa is running and Sa is lod or loe then > it will give in 1st sector. If Ju is also causing delay and if Ju's antra > comes after delay and if Ju is lod or loe then it will give the event in 1st > sector itself. > > Other things also have to be kept in mind such as 0's in SAV etc. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of shalini3004 > Sunday April 26, 2009 11:46 AM > > Re: Timing in the length of a bhukti > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group, > > Namaskar, > > Thank You so much for your reply. > > I think I am not explaining myself correctly, I apologzise for this. In > lesson 16 " procedure for placing event in the length of the bhukti " > > 1)Look to see if all of the lords of A, B and/or C houses are aspected by > Saturn, or > 2)if these lords are placed with Saturn, or > 3)if Saturn itself is one of the lords and others too are in its aspect > > This is full Saturn Delay, then it is written; > > If rules 1 thru 3 are in effect, then the event will be late or delayed. > This means we have to divide the entire time length of the sub period into > three equal parts. The event will take place in the third part of this sub > period. > > 4)If such is the case that the lords are aspected by Jupiter also, or Saturn > is in the aspect of Jupiter, then the event will take place in the 2nd part > of the sub period. > > 5)If ONLY Jupiter alone is aspecting these lords, the events will take place > in the first part of the sub period. This means that Saturn, the delay > causing planet, is not aspecting, or the significating planet is not having > any relation with Saturn (not in the Navamsha of Saturn or sign or > constellation ruled by Saturn). > > For point four I just wanted to make sure that if Jupiter Moderates as per > this point,but if Jupiter is in star of Saturn, or sign of Saturn or if > Jupiter is in Libra does Jupiter then not moderate in such a case and the > event will only take place in third part? > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > > <%40> , krushana Jugal > <krushana@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini and other group members, > > > > In your statement you have mentioned that if ju aspects lords > > of ( ABC) will reduce delay, is not correct. on the contrary if ju aspects > > lord of A and B and or house it will increase delay. Please correct. > > thanks > > krushna > > > > > > > > > > On 4/26/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anup Ji, Ash Ji, Prabha Ji and Group Members, > > > > > > I understand that when Saturn is conjunct LoA, LoB or LoC or aspects > LoA, > > > LoB or LoC or aspect HA, HB or HC this is full delay and in such case > for an > > > event the results could only happen in 3 sector of a bhukti. Now Jupiter > can > > > moderate if Jupiter aspects any of the lords (A,B,C) or Saturn (per > lesson > > > 16), however if Jupiter is in the sign or star of Saturn or if Jupiter > is in > > > Libra even if it does aspect Saturn it cannot moderate delay for event > in > > > the length of bhukti. Would this be correct? Are there exceptions to > this > > > for example if LOD or E is Saturn and Saturn is with high points for > house B > > > in WS could this bring the event to Second Sector then? > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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