Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Ash and other group members, Please clarify the following query. " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will be low ( because of zero) Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart Thanks and Regards Sanjiva Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of the same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and again. So please discuss this in further detail and then you will understand this in more detail. It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we can confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal the deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > Dear Ash and other group members, > > Please clarify the following query. > > " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will be low ( because of zero) > > Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > Thanks and Regards > > Sanjiva Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Sanjiva ji and Sindhu ji, For Transit over 0 points, you can take the lady's chart that Sindhu ji has given. In Ju antra this native faced problems. Ma might have travelled over 0 points during that antra. So you can go into further detail and Sindhu ji can get the feedback from the lady directly. So that will confirm the findings. So, everyone can take that and formulate the approach and then verify the same with actual facts. Maybe Sanjiva ji you can lead that thread and Sindhu ji is already leading the thread of the 2 charts i.e. of the male native born 1975 and the female native born 1978. So all members can discuss. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of the same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and again. > > So please discuss this in further detail and then you will understand this in more detail. > > It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we can confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal the deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > Please clarify the following query. > > > > " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > > 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > > > Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will be low ( because of zero) > > > > Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi Sanjiva and others, This is based on my understanding. Please feel free to correct me so that I also learn. There is a difference between Sa and Ma transiting a house with 0 points if the 0 is given by a planet other than Sa and Ma. If Sa and Ma are giving a 0 and they are themselves transiting then that is different case. I have read in the archives that if Sa is giving a 0 in a house and it is transiting that house then look for which houses Sa is the lord. Then we have to find the karakatwa for that house. For example in the lady's chart that I gave, Sa is giving a 0 in the 8th house and is about to transit that house soon. In this chart Sa lords the 1st and the 12th house. Both these houses are karak houses for 5th house (children,work related authority) and 6th (conception,health).In addition Sa itself is karak for 3rd house (life?) and 4th house(sukh sthan). Based on my understanding, this means that these could be potential problem areas for this lady. The former condition, I don't understand quite well myself. Would be nice if some senior and learned members could explain it as well. Regards, Sindhu --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Sanjiva Sharma <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > Sanjiva Sharma <sanjiva_sharma > Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 3:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > Please clarify the following query. > > > > " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in > SAV, the effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be > related to : > > 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving > zero) " or > > 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving > zero) " > > > > Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that > there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of > A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked either > " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house > will be low ( because of zero) > > > > Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( > Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on the other > aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving zero to the > house) of the chart > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Sindhu ji, What i meant was that in her Ju period i.e. 2nd lord and during that antar dasha, check the period when Ma transited over 0 points. Note down that period and find out from the native on what happened and how did she find that period. That will be confirmation of the facts. Ma transits faster than Saturn so in this instance you can immediate feedback to corroborate this phenenemon. Alternatively, pick the period she did experience a good time i.e. antra and then in that period, find out a time period in which Ma transited over 0 points and ask her and find out what happened. So 2 different scenarios. Then note down what happened and in what area she faced troubles. That will give you and others taking part int his discussion further insight. Then you will be able to make out immediately and the theory portion will get clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Sindhu Iyer <sindhu_iyer wrote: > > > Hi Sanjiva and others, > This is based on my understanding. Please feel free to correct me so that I also learn. > > There is a difference between Sa and Ma transiting a house with 0 points if the 0 is given by a planet other than Sa and Ma. If Sa and Ma are giving a 0 and they are themselves transiting then that is different case. > > I have read in the archives that if Sa is giving a 0 in a house and it is transiting that house then look for which houses Sa is the lord. Then we have to find the karakatwa for that house. For example in the lady's chart that I gave, Sa is giving a 0 in the 8th house and is about to transit that house soon. In this chart Sa lords the 1st and the 12th house. Both these houses are karak houses for 5th house (children,work related authority) and 6th (conception,health).In addition Sa itself is karak for 3rd house (life?) and 4th house(sukh sthan). Based on my understanding, this means that these could be potential problem areas for this lady. > > The former condition, I don't understand quite well myself. Would be nice if some senior and learned members could explain it as well. > > Regards, > Sindhu > > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Sanjiva Sharma <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > > Sanjiva Sharma <sanjiva_sharma > > Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House > > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 3:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > > > > > Please clarify the following query. > > > > > > > > " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in > > SAV, the effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be > > related to : > > > > 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving > > zero) " or > > > > 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving > > zero) " > > > > > > > > Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > > > > > We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that > > there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of > > A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked either > > " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house > > will be low ( because of zero) > > > > > > > > Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( > > Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on the other > > aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving zero to the > > house) of the chart > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Dear Ashji, Will contact my friend and will update everybody as soon as I hear back from her. Regards, --Sindhu --- On Wed, 5/27/09, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > ashsam73 <kas > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 8:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sindhu ji, > > > > What i meant was that in her Ju period i.e. 2nd lord and > during that antar dasha, check the period when Ma transited > over 0 points. Note down that period and find out from the > native on what happened and how did she find that period. > > > > That will be confirmation of the facts. Ma transits faster > than Saturn so in this instance you can immediate feedback > to corroborate this phenenemon. > > > > Alternatively, pick the period she did experience a good > time i.e. antra and then in that period, find out a time > period in which Ma transited over 0 points and ask her and > find out what happened. > > > > So 2 different scenarios. Then note down what happened and > in what area she faced troubles. That will give you and > others taking part int his discussion further insight. > > > > Then you will be able to make out immediately and the > theory portion will get clear. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > > > astrologyandtiminge > vents@ s.com, Sindhu Iyer <sindhu_iyer@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Sanjiva and others, > > > This is based on my understanding. Please feel free > to correct me so that I also learn. > > > > > > There is a difference between Sa and Ma transiting a > house with 0 points if the 0 is given by a planet other than > Sa and Ma. If Sa and Ma are giving a 0 and they are > themselves transiting then that is different case. > > > > > > I have read in the archives that if Sa is giving a 0 > in a house and it is transiting that house then look for > which houses Sa is the lord. Then we have to find the > karakatwa for that house. For example in the lady's > chart that I gave, Sa is giving a 0 in the 8th house and is > about to transit that house soon. In this chart Sa lords the > 1st and the 12th house. Both these houses are karak houses > for 5th house (children,work related authority) and 6th > (conception, health).In addition Sa itself is karak for 3rd > house (life?) and 4th house(sukh sthan). Based on my > understanding, this means that these could be potential > problem areas for this lady. > > > > > > The former condition, I don't understand quite > well myself. Would be nice if some senior and learned > members could explain it as well. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sindhu > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Sanjiva Sharma > <sanjiva_sharma@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma <sanjiva_sharma@ ...> > > > > [astrologyandtiming events] Saturn > Transiting Zero SAV House > > > > astrologyandtiminge > vents@ s.com > > > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 3:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify the following query. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " When Saturn is transiting a house, having > Zero in > > > > SAV, the effected event ( some worries / > deficiency) will be > > > > related to : > > > > > > > > 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( > giving > > > > zero) " or > > > > > > > > 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( > giving > > > > zero) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, advise wchich of the above two is > correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it > implies that > > > > there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic > Strength of > > > > A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked > either > > > > " A " or " B " or " C:) of > the house > > > > will be low ( because of zero) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please , elaborate the effect of transit of > Saturn ( > > > > Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on > the other > > > > aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving > zero to the > > > > house) of the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Dear Members, I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir on a similar question he answered sometime back. May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. The message is : ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to self: The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. Due to Ma..non coperation from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. Thanks krushna ) Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of the same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and again. > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will understand this in more detail. > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we can confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal the deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > >Cheers !!! >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , "Sanjiva Sharma" wrote: >> >> Dear Ash and other group members, >> >> Please clarify the following query. >> >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : >> 1. the "Lordship of the Planet" ( giving zero)" or >> 2. to the "Karaktwa of the Planet" ( giving zero)" >> >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? >> >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked either "A" or "B" or "C:) of the house will be low ( because of zero) >> >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart >> >> Thanks and Regards >> >> Sanjiva Sharma >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: - Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash ji). I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: Message No.- 3988 Dear Ash and list members,When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, itis having two aspects.1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced forall the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8thhouse Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st houseis B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then 4thhouse is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house isreduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. (Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced theeffect)2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it'stransit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, thendefinitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lordhave given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due totransit.So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transitover 8th house, then the native will face some problem and worries,the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of 4thand 5th house. Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) Lets take a hypothetical example.Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury.i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute pointsusing BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or inother words making a favourable yog.So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house.Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then therewill be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house.This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6this A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A ( Karaktwa) of the Planet" , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji talks about Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa' Please, clarify the above points. Thanks and Regards Sanjiva Sharma , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur wrote:>> > > Dear Members, > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir on a similar question he answered sometime back. > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > The message is : > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to > self: > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > Due to Ma..non coperation > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > Thanks > krushna ) > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of the same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and again. > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will understand this in more detail. > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we can confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal the deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > >Cheers !!! > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , "Sanjiva Sharma" wrote: > >> > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > >> > >> Please clarify the following query. > >> > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > >> 1. the "Lordship of the Planet" ( giving zero)" or > >> 2. to the "Karaktwa of the Planet" ( giving zero)" > >> > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > >> > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house with zero is linked either "A" or "B" or "C:) of the house will be low ( because of zero) > >> > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > >> > >> Thanks and Regards > >> > >> Sanjiva Sharma > >> > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. Thanks and regards Sanjiva Sharma , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: - > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash ji). > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > Message No.- 3988 > > Dear Ash and list members, > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > is having two aspects. > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st house > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then 4th > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house is > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. ( > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced the > effect) > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due to > transit. > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and worries, > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of 4th > and 5th house. > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > other words making a favourable yog. > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A ( Karaktwa) > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji talks about > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa' > > Please, clarify the above points. > > Thanks and Regards > > Sanjiva Sharma > , " nikhlesh mathur " > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir on a > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > The message is : > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to > > self: > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > Thanks > > krushna ) > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of the > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and > again. > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will understand > this in more detail. > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what > happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we can > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal the > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > >> > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > >> > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > >> > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > >> > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will be low ( > because of zero) > > >> > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > >> > > >> Thanks and Regards > > >> > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear Sanjiva ji, What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not different. The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the “Cause” or the “Reason”, then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. You are also aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa. Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet has no support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say then the problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend on the Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the “cause” or the “reason”. So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see from the Transit of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars takes to transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving fast or is vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to study the nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that is based on Karakatwa. Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma transit the house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. So Me is natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here its aries lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will be FK for 2 other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 points then too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote the nature of the problem. House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak controls the Status of House B. I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above understanding and let me know if think its different? J Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sanjiva Sharma Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM To: Subject: Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. Thanks and regards Sanjiva Sharma , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: - > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash ji). > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > Message No.- 3988 > > Dear Ash and list members, > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > is having two aspects. > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st house > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then 4th > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house is > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. ( > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced the > effect) > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due to > transit. > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and worries, > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of 4th > and 5th house. > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > other words making a favourable yog. > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A ( Karaktwa) > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji talks about > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa' > > Please, clarify the above points. > > Thanks and Regards > > Sanjiva Sharma > , " nikhlesh mathur " > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir on a > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > The message is : > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to > > self: > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > Thanks > > krushna ) > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of the > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and > again. > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will understand > this in more detail. > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what > happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we can > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal the > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > >> > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > >> > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > >> > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > >> > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will be low ( > because of zero) > > >> > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > >> > > >> Thanks and Regards > > >> > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Dear Sanjiva ji, I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING OF EVENT and made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand the meaning of what I have said. Let me re-explain the same. Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good power in WS for the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person will get that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. That should be clear. Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due to Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the timing where a person will face some problems or some turbulence is the “timing” I am talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and he is to get promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason where that problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. So lets say Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to something the native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be due to some posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere and things might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied. I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will make it clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash's Corner Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM To: RE: Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House Dear Sanjiva ji, What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not different. The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the “Cause” or the “Reason”, then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. You are also aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa. Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet has no support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say then the problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend on the Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the “cause” or the “reason”. So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see from the Transit of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars takes to transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving fast or is vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to study the nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that is based on Karakatwa. Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma transit the house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. So Me is natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here its aries lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will be FK for 2 other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 points then too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote the nature of the problem. House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak controls the Status of House B. I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above understanding and let me know if think its different? J Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sanjiva Sharma Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. Thanks and regards Sanjiva Sharma , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: - > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash ji). > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > Message No.- 3988 > > Dear Ash and list members, > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > is having two aspects. > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st house > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then 4th > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house is > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. ( > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced the > effect) > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due to > transit. > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and worries, > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of 4th > and 5th house. > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > other words making a favourable yog. > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A ( Karaktwa) > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji talks about > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa' > > Please, clarify the above points. > > Thanks and Regards > > Sanjiva Sharma > , " nikhlesh mathur " > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir on a > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > The message is : > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to > > self: > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > Thanks > > krushna ) > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of the > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and > again. > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will understand > this in more detail. > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what > happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we can > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal the > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > >> > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > >> > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > >> > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > >> > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will be low ( > because of zero) > > >> > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > >> > > >> Thanks and Regards > > >> > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Ash ji, Namestey, Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way. I agree ( understand) that "Timing of Event" will be based on "WS-POWER". I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will depend upon the "Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet)", BUT; My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit of zero house, Guru ji stated about the "LORDSHIP" ( and not Karaktwa), Guruji's statement is re produed once again: 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. Here, Guruji was not talking about "Karaktwa" at all( Is it a special case ? and not similar to others), Although, we know that "Karak controls the Status of House B". I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here. Thanks and Regards Sanjiva Sharma , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sanjiva ji,> > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING OF EVENT and> made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand the meaning of> what I have said.> > Let me re-explain the same.> > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good power in WS for> the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person will get> that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. That should> be clear.> > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due to Transit of> Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the timing where a> person will face some problems or some turbulence is the "timing" I am> talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and he is to get> promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason where that> problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. So lets say> Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to something the> native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be due to some> posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere and things> might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied.> > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will make it clear.> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > On Behalf Of Ash's> Corner Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM> > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House> > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji,> > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not different.> > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the "Cause" or the "Reason",> then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. You are also> aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa.> > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet has no> support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say then the> problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend on the> Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the "cause" or the "reason". > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see from the Transit> of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars takes to> transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving fast or is> vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to study the> nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that is based on> Karakatwa.> > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma transit the> house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. So Me is> natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here its aries> lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will be FK for 2> other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 points then> too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote the nature of> the problem.> > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak controls the> Status of House B. > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above understanding> and let me know if think its different? :-)> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > On Behalf Of Sanjiva> Sharma> Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM> > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV House> > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji,> > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below.> > Thanks and regards> > Sanjiva Sharma> > <%40> , "Sanjiva Sharma"> sanjiva_sharma@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji,> >> > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: -> > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash ji).> >> > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below:> >> > Message No.- 3988> >> > Dear Ash and list members,> > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it> > is having two aspects.> > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for> > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th> > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st house> > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then 4th> > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house is> > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. (> > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced the> > effect)> > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's> > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then> > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord> > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due to> > transit.> > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit> > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and worries,> > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of 4th> > and 5th house.> >> > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji)> >> > Lets take a hypothetical example.> >> > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury.> >> > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points> > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in> > other words making a favourable yog.> >> > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house.> >> > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there> > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house.> > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th> > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house.> >> > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A (> Karaktwa)> > of the Planet" , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji talks> about> > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa'> >> > Please, clarify the above points.> >> > Thanks and Regards> >> > Sanjiva Sharma> > > <%40> , "nikhlesh mathur"> > nikhleshmathur@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Members,> > >> > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir on> a> > similar question he answered sometime back.> > >> > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this.> > >> > > The message is :> > >> > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to> > > self:> > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some> > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result.> > > Due to Ma..non coperation> > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced.> > >> > > Thanks> > > krushna )> > >> > > Regards,> > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > >> > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote> > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members,> > > >> > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of> the> > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets make> > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and> > again.> > > >> > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will> understand> > this in more detail.> > > >> > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain what> > happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we> can> > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal> the> > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes.> > > >> > > >Cheers !!!> > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > <%40> , "Sanjiva Sharma"> > wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Dear Ash and other group members,> > > >>> > > >> Please clarify the following query.> > > >>> > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the> > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to :> > > >> 1. the "Lordship of the Planet" ( giving zero)" or> > > >> 2. to the "Karaktwa of the Planet" ( giving zero)"> > > >>> > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct?> > > >>> > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there is> > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house> > with zero is linked either "A" or "B" or "C:) of the house will be low> (> > because of zero)> > > >>> > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), on> > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or> > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart> > > >>> > > >> Thanks and Regards> > > >>> > > >> Sanjiva Sharma> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Sanjiva, Due to lack of time, I am giving my reply in short. When Guru ji is talking about a House, then what is it that one means? When you say 2nd house, then 2nd house is first A for 7th, then its B for 2nd, then its C for 10th, its D for 5th and E for 9th. When we say that a planet 2nd house with more than 4 bindus, then what we say? We say that the planet is Karak for 7th (in House A), it is in House D for 5th and in House E for 9th so it will become eager for timing, then it is in House B with power of more than 4 so that will be added in WS (A + B + C) so for B we will take its power. So, please understand that a House is ABCDE for other house with everything beginning at A. So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some other house so that planet is playing many roles. Now if we are talking about the reason then we are focussed on the role that house is Karak sthan for as A so that will denote the " cause " as it is " Karak " sthan for another house and it is responsible to control the status of that house B. I hope its clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Namestey, > > Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way. > > I agree ( understand) that " Timing of Event " will be based on > " WS-POWER " . > > I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will depend upon > the " Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet) " , BUT; > > My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit of zero > house, Guru ji stated about the " LORDSHIP " ( and not Karaktwa), Guruji's > statement is re produed once again: > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit > over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the > person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero. > there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. > > > Here, Guruji was not talking about " Karaktwa " at all( Is it a special > case ? and not similar to others), Although, > > we know that " Karak controls the Status of House B " . > > I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here. > > Thanks and Regards > > Sanjiva Sharma > > , " Ash's Corner@ " > <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING OF EVENT > and > > made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand the > meaning of > > what I have said. > > > > Let me re-explain the same. > > > > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good power in WS > for > > the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person will get > > that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. That > should > > be clear. > > > > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due to > Transit of > > Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the timing > where a > > person will face some problems or some turbulence is the " timing " I am > > talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and he is to > get > > promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason where that > > problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. So lets > say > > Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to > something the > > native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be due to > some > > posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere and > things > > might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied. > > > > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will make it > clear. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ash's > > Corner@ > > Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM > > > > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV > House > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not different. > > > > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the " Cause " or the > " Reason " , > > then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. You are > also > > aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa. > > > > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet has no > > support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say then the > > problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend on the > > Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the " cause " or the > " reason " . > > > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see from the > Transit > > of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars takes > to > > transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving fast or > is > > vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to study the > > nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that is based > on > > Karakatwa. > > > > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma transit > the > > house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. So Me is > > natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here its > aries > > lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will be FK > for 2 > > other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 points > then > > too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote the > nature of > > the problem. > > > > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak controls > the > > Status of House B. > > > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above > understanding > > and let me know if think its different? :-) > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of Sanjiva > > Sharma > > Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM > > > > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, > > > > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva Sharma " > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > > > > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: - > > > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash > ji). > > > > > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > > > > > Message No.- 3988 > > > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > > > is having two aspects. > > > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for > > > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th > > > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st > house > > > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then 4th > > > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house is > > > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. ( > > > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced the > > > effect) > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > > > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > > > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord > > > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due to > > > transit. > > > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit > > > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and worries, > > > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of 4th > > > and 5th house. > > > > > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury. > > > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > > > other words making a favourable yog. > > > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house. > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > > > > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A ( > > Karaktwa) > > > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji talks > > about > > > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa' > > > > > > Please, clarify the above points. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh > mathur " > > > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir > on > > a > > > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > > > > > The message is : > > > > > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to > > > > self: > > > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > krushna ) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of > > the > > > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets > make > > > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and > > > again. > > > > > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will > > understand > > > this in more detail. > > > > > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain > what > > > happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we > > can > > > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal > > the > > > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva Sharma " > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > >> > > > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > > > >> > > > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the > > > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > > > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > > > >> > > > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > >> > > > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there > is > > > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house > > > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will be > low > > ( > > > because of zero) > > > > >> > > > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic), > on > > > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or > > > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks and Regards > > > > >> > > > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Dear Ash ji, Namestey. Please, forgive me if I am annoying you , too much, with my query again and again. But, doubt is still there. You stated that ":- "So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some other house so that planet is playing many roles." If this is the case of " House Planet( giving zero) Represent" , then Your above statement is OK and very clear. BUT, as I indicated( in my last mail) that Guru ji , only taks about " lordship", as reproduced below ( once again) "The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero.there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit." I am of the impression that when Guru ji talks about "the house whose lord have given Zero" , He meant it to be " House B", and that is the reason for my this doubt. Please, enlighten me on this aspect as well Thanks and Regards Sanjiva Sharma , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sanjiva,> > Due to lack of time, I am giving my reply in short.> > When Guru ji is talking about a House, then what is it that one means?> > When you say 2nd house, then 2nd house is first A for 7th, then its B for 2nd, then its C for 10th, its D for 5th and E for 9th.> > When we say that a planet 2nd house with more than 4 bindus, then what we say?> > We say that the planet is Karak for 7th (in House A), it is in House D for 5th and in House E for 9th so it will become eager for timing, then it is in House B with power of more than 4 so that will be added in WS (A + B + C) so for B we will take its power.> > So, please understand that a House is ABCDE for other house with everything beginning at A.> > So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some other house so that planet is playing many roles. Now if we are talking about the reason then we are focussed on the role that house is Karak sthan for as A so that will denote the "cause" as it is "Karak" sthan for another house and it is responsible to control the status of that house B. > > I hope its clear.> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > , "Sanjiva Sharma" sanjiva_sharma@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Ash ji,> > > > Namestey,> > > > Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way.> > > > I agree ( understand) that "Timing of Event" will be based on> > "WS-POWER".> > > > I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will depend upon> > the "Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet)", BUT;> > > > My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit of zero> > house, Guru ji stated about the "LORDSHIP" ( and not Karaktwa), Guruji's> > statement is re produed once again:> > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit> > over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the> > person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero.> > there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit.> > > > > > Here, Guruji was not talking about "Karaktwa" at all( Is it a special> > case ? and not similar to others), Although,> > > > we know that "Karak controls the Status of House B".> > > > I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here.> > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Sanjiva Sharma> > > > , "Ash's Corner@"> > <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sanjiva ji,> > >> > > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING OF EVENT> > and> > > made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand the> > meaning of> > > what I have said.> > >> > > Let me re-explain the same.> > >> > > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good power in WS> > for> > > the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person will get> > > that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. That> > should> > > be clear.> > >> > > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due to> > Transit of> > > Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the timing> > where a> > > person will face some problems or some turbulence is the "timing" I am> > > talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and he is to> > get> > > promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason where that> > > problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. So lets> > say> > > Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to> > something the> > > native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be due to> > some> > > posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere and> > things> > > might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied.> > >> > > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will make it> > clear.> > >> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > >> > > > > > On Behalf Of Ash's> > > Corner@> > > Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM> > > > > > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV> > House> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sanjiva ji,> > >> > > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not different.> > >> > > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the "Cause" or the> > "Reason",> > > then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. You are> > also> > > aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa.> > >> > > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet has no> > > support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say then the> > > problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend on the> > > Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the "cause" or the> > "reason".> > >> > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see from the> > Transit> > > of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars takes> > to> > > transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving fast or> > is> > > vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to study the> > > nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that is based> > on> > > Karakatwa.> > >> > > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma transit> > the> > > house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. So Me is> > > natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here its> > aries> > > lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will be FK> > for 2> > > other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 points> > then> > > too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote the> > nature of> > > the problem.> > >> > > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak controls> > the> > > Status of House B.> > >> > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above> > understanding> > > and let me know if think its different? :-)> > >> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > >> > > > > > On Behalf Of Sanjiva> > > Sharma> > > Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM> > > > > > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV> > House> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji,> > >> > > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below.> > >> > > Thanks and regards> > >> > > Sanjiva Sharma> > > > > > <%40> , "Sanjiva Sharma"> > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji,> > > >> > > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: -> > > > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash> > ji).> > > >> > > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below:> > > >> > > > Message No.- 3988> > > >> > > > Dear Ash and list members,> > > > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it> > > > is having two aspects.> > > > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for> > > > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th> > > > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st> > house> > > > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then 4th> > > > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house is> > > > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. (> > > > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced the> > > > effect)> > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's> > > > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then> > > > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose lord> > > > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due to> > > > transit.> > > > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit> > > > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and worries,> > > > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of 4th> > > > and 5th house.> > > >> > > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji)> > > >> > > > Lets take a hypothetical example.> > > >> > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say Mercury.> > > >> > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute points> > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in> > > > other words making a favourable yog.> > > >> > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house.> > > >> > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then there> > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th house.> > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. 6th> > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house.> > > >> > > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A (> > > Karaktwa)> > > > of the Planet" , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji talks> > > about> > > > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa'> > > >> > > > Please, clarify the above points.> > > >> > > > Thanks and Regards> > > >> > > > Sanjiva Sharma> > > > > > > <%40> , "nikhlesh> > mathur"> > > > nikhleshmathur@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Members,> > > > >> > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna Sir> > on> > > a> > > > similar question he answered sometime back.> > > > >> > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this.> > > > >> > > > > The message is :> > > > >> > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to> > > > > self:> > > > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some> > > > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result.> > > > > Due to Ma..non coperation> > > > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > krushna )> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > >> > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote> > > > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members,> > > > > >> > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your understanding of> > > the> > > > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so lets> > make> > > > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again and> > > > again.> > > > > >> > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will> > > understand> > > > this in more detail.> > > > > >> > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and explain> > what> > > > happened during a period when such transit took place so that way we> > > can> > > > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, seal> > > the> > > > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes.> > > > > >> > > > > >Cheers !!!> > > > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40> , "Sanjiva Sharma"> > > > wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Ash and other group members,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Please clarify the following query.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, the> > > > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to :> > > > > >> 1. the "Lordship of the Planet" ( giving zero)" or> > > > > >> 2. to the "Karaktwa of the Planet" ( giving zero)"> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct?> > > > > >>> > > > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that there> > is> > > > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where house> > > > with zero is linked either "A" or "B" or "C:) of the house will be> > low> > > (> > > > because of zero)> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( Malefic),> > on> > > > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship or> > > > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Thanks and Regards> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Sanjiva Sharma> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Dear Sanjiva ji, No, it better to ask again and again, to clarify and become crystal clear with the basics and concept as that will help you build other concepts on solid understanding. Just see the lesson in which Guru ji has given what each house represents. For 2nd house, its wealth, wife, property, marriage, success of children, bank balance, wealth, children, description of partner etc etc. How have these been derived? What has children got to do with 2nd house? What is success of children and what does it have to do with 2nd house? Why is marriage from 2nd house? isnt marriage 7th house... what is the difference? Bank Balance, Wealth is 2nd house why? Why Guru ji has given property too in 2nd house? Please answer these questions in detail. Let's make this a discussion so that you will understand. Looking forward to your explanation. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Namestey. > > Please, forgive me if I am annoying you , too much, with my query again > and again. > > But, doubt is still there. > > You stated that " :- > > " So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting over > 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and that > will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it means > that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some other > house so that planet is playing many roles. " > > If this is the case of " House Planet( giving zero) Represent " , then > Your above statement is OK and very clear. BUT, > > as I indicated( in my last mail) that Guru ji , only taks about " > lordship " , as reproduced below ( once again) > > " The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit over > the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the person > may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero.there is > no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. " > > > I am of the impression that when Guru ji talks about " the house whose > lord have given Zero " , He meant it to be " House B " , and that is the > reason for my this doubt. > > Please, enlighten me on this aspect as well > > Thanks and Regards > > Sanjiva Sharma > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sanjiva, > > > > Due to lack of time, I am giving my reply in short. > > > > When Guru ji is talking about a House, then what is it that one means? > > > > When you say 2nd house, then 2nd house is first A for 7th, then its B > for 2nd, then its C for 10th, its D for 5th and E for 9th. > > > > When we say that a planet 2nd house with more than 4 bindus, then what > we say? > > > > We say that the planet is Karak for 7th (in House A), it is in House D > for 5th and in House E for 9th so it will become eager for timing, then > it is in House B with power of more than 4 so that will be added in WS > (A + B + C) so for B we will take its power. > > > > So, please understand that a House is ABCDE for other house with > everything beginning at A. > > > > So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting > over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and > that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it > means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some > other house so that planet is playing many roles. Now if we are talking > about the reason then we are focussed on the role that house is Karak > sthan for as A so that will denote the " cause " as it is " Karak " sthan > for another house and it is responsible to control the status of that > house B. > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > Namestey, > > > > > > Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way. > > > > > > I agree ( understand) that " Timing of Event " will be based on > > > " WS-POWER " . > > > > > > I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will depend > upon > > > the " Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet) " , BUT; > > > > > > My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit of > zero > > > house, Guru ji stated about the " LORDSHIP " ( and not Karaktwa), > Guruji's > > > statement is re produed once again: > > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit > > > over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the > > > person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given > Zero. > > > there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. > > > > > > > > > Here, Guruji was not talking about " Karaktwa " at all( Is it a > special > > > case ? and not similar to others), Although, > > > > > > we know that " Karak controls the Status of House B " . > > > > > > I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > , " Ash's Corner@ " > > > <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING OF > EVENT > > > and > > > > made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand the > > > meaning of > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > Let me re-explain the same. > > > > > > > > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good power > in WS > > > for > > > > the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person will > get > > > > that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. That > > > should > > > > be clear. > > > > > > > > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due to > > > Transit of > > > > Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the timing > > > where a > > > > person will face some problems or some turbulence is the " timing " > I am > > > > talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and he > is to > > > get > > > > promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason where > that > > > > problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. So > lets > > > say > > > > Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to > > > something the > > > > native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be due > to > > > some > > > > posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere and > > > things > > > > might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied. > > > > > > > > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will make > it > > > clear. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > Ash's > > > > Corner@ > > > > Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting Zero > SAV > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not > different. > > > > > > > > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the " Cause " or the > > > " Reason " , > > > > then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. You > are > > > also > > > > aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet has > no > > > > support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say then > the > > > > problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend on > the > > > > Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the " cause " or the > > > " reason " . > > > > > > > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see from > the > > > Transit > > > > of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars > takes > > > to > > > > transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving > fast or > > > is > > > > vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to study > the > > > > nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that is > based > > > on > > > > Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma > transit > > > the > > > > house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. So Me > is > > > > natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here its > > > aries > > > > lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will be > FK > > > for 2 > > > > other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 > points > > > then > > > > too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote the > > > nature of > > > > the problem. > > > > > > > > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak > controls > > > the > > > > Status of House B. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above > > > understanding > > > > and let me know if think its different? :-) > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > Sanjiva > > > > Sharma > > > > Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > Sharma " > > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > > > > > > > > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages: > - > > > > > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash > > > ji). > > > > > > > > > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 3988 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > > > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > > > > > is having two aspects. > > > > > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for > > > > > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th > > > > > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st > > > house > > > > > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then > 4th > > > > > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house > is > > > > > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced. > ( > > > > > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced > the > > > > > effect) > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > > > > > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > > > > > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose > lord > > > > > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due > to > > > > > transit. > > > > > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit > > > > > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and > worries, > > > > > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of > 4th > > > > > and 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > > > > > > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > > > > > > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say > Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute > points > > > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in > > > > > other words making a favourable yog. > > > > > > > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then > there > > > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th > house. > > > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house. > 6th > > > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A ( > > > > Karaktwa) > > > > > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji > talks > > > > about > > > > > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa' > > > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the above points. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh > > > mathur " > > > > > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna > Sir > > > on > > > > a > > > > > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > > > > > > > > > The message is : > > > > > > > > > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to > > > > > > self: > > > > > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > > > > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > > > > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > > > > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > krushna ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > > > > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your > understanding of > > > > the > > > > > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so > lets > > > make > > > > > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again > and > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will > > > > understand > > > > > this in more detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and > explain > > > what > > > > > happened during a period when such transit took place so that > way we > > > > can > > > > > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking, > seal > > > > the > > > > > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > > > > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > Sharma " > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV, > the > > > > > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to : > > > > > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > > > > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that > there > > > is > > > > > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where > house > > > > > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house will > be > > > low > > > > ( > > > > > because of zero) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( > Malefic), > > > on > > > > > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship > or > > > > > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks and Regards > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Ash ji, Namestey, I am getting your point that " A house has many roles to play" e.g. 2nd House - "A House for 7th ( Marriage, wife , partnership etc)"; " B House for 2nd ( Wealth, family etc)"; "C House for 10 th house ( Authority etc)";D House for 5th ( Childeren, Higher Education, change in Job etc); and " E house for 9th ( Luck, Father, Guru etc) This is the case, where " A House *represents* various facets of other house as well" But, when it comes to the specific case of *LORDSHIP ( of house for planet is giving zero)*; does it not mean *ONLY* - " B House" ? Am I missing something or my understanding is not right? Please, guide me. Thanks and Regards Sanjiva Sharma , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sanjiva ji,> > No, it better to ask again and again, to clarify and become crystal clear with the basics and concept as that will help you build other concepts on solid understanding.> > Just see the lesson in which Guru ji has given what each house represents.> > For 2nd house, its wealth, wife, property, marriage, success of children, bank balance, wealth, children, description of partner etc etc.> > How have these been derived?> > What has children got to do with 2nd house?> > What is success of children and what does it have to do with 2nd house?> > Why is marriage from 2nd house? isnt marriage 7th house... what is the difference?> > Bank Balance, Wealth is 2nd house why?> > Why Guru ji has given property too in 2nd house?> > Please answer these questions in detail. Let's make this a discussion so that you will understand.> > Looking forward to your explanation.> > Thanks,> Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > , "Sanjiva Sharma" sanjiva_sharma@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Ash ji,> > > > Namestey.> > > > Please, forgive me if I am annoying you , too much, with my query again> > and again.> > > > But, doubt is still there.> > > > You stated that ":-> > > > "So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting over> > 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and that> > will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it means> > that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some other> > house so that planet is playing many roles."> > > > If this is the case of " House Planet( giving zero) Represent" , then> > Your above statement is OK and very clear. BUT,> > > > as I indicated( in my last mail) that Guru ji , only taks about "> > lordship", as reproduced below ( once again)> > > > "The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit over> > the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the person> > may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero.there is> > no effect of the benefic planets due to transit."> > > > > > I am of the impression that when Guru ji talks about "the house whose> > lord have given Zero" , He meant it to be " House B", and that is the> > reason for my this doubt.> > > > Please, enlighten me on this aspect as well> > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Sanjiva Sharma> > , "ashsam73" <kas@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sanjiva,> > >> > > Due to lack of time, I am giving my reply in short.> > >> > > When Guru ji is talking about a House, then what is it that one means?> > >> > > When you say 2nd house, then 2nd house is first A for 7th, then its B> > for 2nd, then its C for 10th, its D for 5th and E for 9th.> > >> > > When we say that a planet 2nd house with more than 4 bindus, then what> > we say?> > >> > > We say that the planet is Karak for 7th (in House A), it is in House D> > for 5th and in House E for 9th so it will become eager for timing, then> > it is in House B with power of more than 4 so that will be added in WS> > (A + B + C) so for B we will take its power.> > >> > > So, please understand that a House is ABCDE for other house with> > everything beginning at A.> > >> > > So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting> > over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and> > that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it> > means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some> > other house so that planet is playing many roles. Now if we are talking> > about the reason then we are focussed on the role that house is Karak> > sthan for as A so that will denote the "cause" as it is "Karak" sthan> > for another house and it is responsible to control the status of that> > house B.> > >> > > I hope its clear.> > >> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sanjiva Sharma"> > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Ash ji,> > > >> > > > Namestey,> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way.> > > >> > > > I agree ( understand) that "Timing of Event" will be based on> > > > "WS-POWER".> > > >> > > > I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will depend> > upon> > > > the "Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet)", BUT;> > > >> > > > My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit of> > zero> > > > house, Guru ji stated about the "LORDSHIP" ( and not Karaktwa),> > Guruji's> > > > statement is re produed once again:> > > >> > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit> > > > over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the> > > > person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given> > Zero.> > > > there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit.> > > >> > > >> > > > Here, Guruji was not talking about "Karaktwa" at all( Is it a> > special> > > > case ? and not similar to others), Although,> > > >> > > > we know that "Karak controls the Status of House B".> > > >> > > > I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here.> > > >> > > > Thanks and Regards> > > >> > > > Sanjiva Sharma> > > >> > > > , "Ash's Corner@"> > > > <kas@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji,> > > > >> > > > > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING OF> > EVENT> > > > and> > > > > made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand the> > > > meaning of> > > > > what I have said.> > > > >> > > > > Let me re-explain the same.> > > > >> > > > > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good power> > in WS> > > > for> > > > > the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person will> > get> > > > > that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. That> > > > should> > > > > be clear.> > > > >> > > > > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due to> > > > Transit of> > > > > Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the timing> > > > where a> > > > > person will face some problems or some turbulence is the "timing"> > I am> > > > > talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and he> > is to> > > > get> > > > > promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason where> > that> > > > > problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. So> > lets> > > > say> > > > > Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to> > > > something the> > > > > native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be due> > to> > > > some> > > > > posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere and> > > > things> > > > > might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied.> > > > >> > > > > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will make> > it> > > > clear.> > > > >> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > Ash's> > > > > Corner@> > > > > Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM> > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting Zero> > SAV> > > > House> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji,> > > > >> > > > > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not> > different.> > > > >> > > > > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the "Cause" or the> > > > "Reason",> > > > > then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. You> > are> > > > also> > > > > aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa.> > > > >> > > > > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet has> > no> > > > > support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say then> > the> > > > > problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend on> > the> > > > > Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the "cause" or the> > > > "reason".> > > > >> > > > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see from> > the> > > > Transit> > > > > of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars> > takes> > > > to> > > > > transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving> > fast or> > > > is> > > > > vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to study> > the> > > > > nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that is> > based> > > > on> > > > > Karakatwa.> > > > >> > > > > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma> > transit> > > > the> > > > > house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. So Me> > is> > > > > natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here its> > > > aries> > > > > lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will be> > FK> > > > for 2> > > > > other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4> > points> > > > then> > > > > too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote the> > > > nature of> > > > > the problem.> > > > >> > > > > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak> > controls> > > > the> > > > > Status of House B.> > > > >> > > > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above> > > > understanding> > > > > and let me know if think its different? :-)> > > > >> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of> > Sanjiva> > > > > Sharma> > > > > Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero SAV> > > > House> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji,> > > > >> > > > > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and regards> > > > >> > > > > Sanjiva Sharma> > > > > > > > > > <%40> , "Sanjiva> > Sharma"> > > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old messages:> > -> > > > > > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from Ash> > > > ji).> > > > > >> > > > > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below:> > > > > >> > > > > > Message No.- 3988> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash and list members,> > > > > > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it> > > > > > is having two aspects.> > > > > > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced for> > > > > > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in 8th> > > > > > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A 1st> > > > house> > > > > > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C then> > 4th> > > > > > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th house> > is> > > > > > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is reduced.> > (> > > > > > Still there are some other factors which may increase or reduced> > the> > > > > > effect)> > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's> > > > > > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then> > > > > > definitely the person may face some worries for the house whose> > lord> > > > > > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets due> > to> > > > > > transit.> > > > > > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's transit> > > > > > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and> > worries,> > > > > > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is lord of> > 4th> > > > > > and 5th house.> > > > > >> > > > > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji)> > > > > >> > > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example.> > > > > >> > > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say> > Mercury.> > > > > >> > > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u distribute> > points> > > > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury or in> > > > > > other words making a favourable yog.> > > > > >> > > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then> > there> > > > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th> > house.> > > > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd house.> > 6th> > > > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house.> > > > > >> > > > > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A (> > > > > Karaktwa)> > > > > > of the Planet" , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji> > talks> > > > > about> > > > > > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " Karakatwa'> > > > > >> > > > > > Please, clarify the above points.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma> > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , "nikhlesh> > > > mathur"> > > > > > nikhleshmathur@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected Krishna> > Sir> > > > on> > > > > a> > > > > > similar question he answered sometime back.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The message is :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due to> > > > > > > self:> > > > > > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some> > > > > > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result.> > > > > > > Due to Ma..non coperation> > > > > > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > krushna )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote> > > > > > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your> > understanding of> > > > > the> > > > > > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so> > lets> > > > make> > > > > > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing again> > and> > > > > > again.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you will> > > > > understand> > > > > > this in more detail.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and> > explain> > > > what> > > > > > happened during a period when such transit took place so that> > way we> > > > > can> > > > > > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of speaking,> > seal> > > > > the> > > > > > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Cheers !!!> > > > > > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , "Sanjiva> > Sharma"> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Dear Ash and other group members,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Please clarify the following query.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in SAV,> > the> > > > > > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related to :> > > > > > > >> 1. the "Lordship of the Planet" ( giving zero)" or> > > > > > > >> 2. to the "Karaktwa of the Planet" ( giving zero)"> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct?> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that> > there> > > > is> > > > > > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( where> > house> > > > > > with zero is linked either "A" or "B" or "C:) of the house will> > be> > > > low> > > > > (> > > > > > because of zero)> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn (> > Malefic),> > > > on> > > > > > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( lordship> > or> > > > > > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Thanks and Regards> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Sanjiva Sharma> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Sanjiva, Good. So we are ok upto here that the House represents many things and how that is derived. Why 2nd house is for marriage and also children and the logic is that 2nd house is A or Karak STHAN for 7th housee, it is HOUSE D for 5th house etc etc. Now addressing the LORDSHIP of the HOUSE. The lord REPRESENTS THE HOUSE. Therefore, 2nd lord is KARAK for 2nd, it is LoD for 5th etc and planet will give the antar dasha. Now just think, when we calculate delay what we see? We see, the aspect of Saturn on HOUSE A, B, C and/or LORD OF A, B AND C. So we check if the House is under the grasp of Sa or its LORD. So 2nd house is KARAK STHAN and its LORD is KARAK. So in MD of 2nd LORD it shows the KARAKATWA. So the 2nd lord will first become 1) LoA (will show Karakatwa) for 7th house. It will control the status of 7th house. 2) LoB (lord of B itself) i.e. it will become 2nd house lord. 3) LoC (Lord of 10th from A or 5th from B) i.e. for 10th house as B or 5th house as A 4) LoD (Lord of 10th from B or 3rd from A) B = 7th 5) LoE (Lord of 6th from B or 11th from A) B = 9th. So if 2nd lord is spoilt or 2nd house is affected then all the above will get disturbed. So we say that if Venus is spoilt which is natural karak then there might be multiple marriages or divorse and 1st step ahead of that will be 2nd lord which is FK. So when Sa and Ma transit over 0 points then u want to find out the area where the problems will be faced or severe that can be studied by considering the house for which the planet has RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL THE STATUS i.e. the KARAK FOR WHICH HOUSE. So from studying the planet as A, u can get the karakatwa where happiness will get reduced or problems will be faced as A CONTROLS STATUS OF B. Just undrestand this. The planet is same, but it holds different portfolios. In other analogy, A You are Sanjiva, who is Father of your children, Husband of your wife, Son of your Dad and Mom, Friend of group, a student of Guru ji etc etc. So if sanjiva is stressed (1st house) then first thing 1st controls 6th so your health will suffer, then at same time, your happiness from kutumb will get reduced as 1st is LoD for 4th and similarly for 8th house, and at same time you will feel that " why such and such happened .. why am i not lucky " as its LoC for 9th :-). Same way, if 1st lord and house is enhanced then its the opposite, you will feel good about yourself, so u will become more positive, so u can do good work and that will more probability for become lucky so like that.................. Hope u understand now... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji, > > Namestey, > > I am getting your point that " A house has many roles to play " > > e.g. 2nd House - " A House for 7th ( Marriage, wife , partnership etc) " ; > " B House for 2nd ( Wealth, family etc) " ; " C House for 10 th house ( > Authority etc) " ;D House for 5th ( Childeren, Higher Education, change in > Job etc); and " E house for 9th ( Luck, Father, Guru etc) > > This is the case, where " A House *represents* various facets of other > house as well " > > But, when it comes to the specific case of *LORDSHIP ( of house for > planet is giving zero)*; does it not mean *ONLY* - " B House " ? > > Am I missing something or my understanding is not right? > > Please, guide me. > > Thanks and Regards > > Sanjiva Sharma > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > No, it better to ask again and again, to clarify and become crystal > clear with the basics and concept as that will help you build other > concepts on solid understanding. > > > > Just see the lesson in which Guru ji has given what each house > represents. > > > > For 2nd house, its wealth, wife, property, marriage, success of > children, bank balance, wealth, children, description of partner etc > etc. > > > > How have these been derived? > > > > What has children got to do with 2nd house? > > > > What is success of children and what does it have to do with 2nd > house? > > > > Why is marriage from 2nd house? isnt marriage 7th house... what is the > difference? > > > > Bank Balance, Wealth is 2nd house why? > > > > Why Guru ji has given property too in 2nd house? > > > > Please answer these questions in detail. Let's make this a discussion > so that you will understand. > > > > Looking forward to your explanation. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > Namestey. > > > > > > Please, forgive me if I am annoying you , too much, with my query > again > > > and again. > > > > > > But, doubt is still there. > > > > > > You stated that " :- > > > > > > " So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting > over > > > 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and > that > > > will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it > means > > > that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some > other > > > house so that planet is playing many roles. " > > > > > > If this is the case of " House Planet( giving zero) Represent " , > then > > > Your above statement is OK and very clear. BUT, > > > > > > as I indicated( in my last mail) that Guru ji , only taks about " > > > lordship " , as reproduced below ( once again) > > > > > > " The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit > over > > > the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the > person > > > may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero.there > is > > > no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. " > > > > > > > > > I am of the impression that when Guru ji talks about " the house > whose > > > lord have given Zero " , He meant it to be " House B " , and that is > the > > > reason for my this doubt. > > > > > > Please, enlighten me on this aspect as well > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva, > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time, I am giving my reply in short. > > > > > > > > When Guru ji is talking about a House, then what is it that one > means? > > > > > > > > When you say 2nd house, then 2nd house is first A for 7th, then > its B > > > for 2nd, then its C for 10th, its D for 5th and E for 9th. > > > > > > > > When we say that a planet 2nd house with more than 4 bindus, then > what > > > we say? > > > > > > > > We say that the planet is Karak for 7th (in House A), it is in > House D > > > for 5th and in House E for 9th so it will become eager for timing, > then > > > it is in House B with power of more than 4 so that will be added in > WS > > > (A + B + C) so for B we will take its power. > > > > > > > > So, please understand that a House is ABCDE for other house with > > > everything beginning at A. > > > > > > > > So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting > > > over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues > and > > > that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that > it > > > means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for > some > > > other house so that planet is playing many roles. Now if we are > talking > > > about the reason then we are focussed on the role that house is > Karak > > > sthan for as A so that will denote the " cause " as it is " Karak " > sthan > > > for another house and it is responsible to control the status of > that > > > house B. > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namestey, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way. > > > > > > > > > > I agree ( understand) that " Timing of Event " will be based on > > > > > " WS-POWER " . > > > > > > > > > > I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will > depend > > > upon > > > > > the " Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet) " , > BUT; > > > > > > > > > > My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit > of > > > zero > > > > > house, Guru ji stated about the " LORDSHIP " ( and not Karaktwa), > > > Guruji's > > > > > statement is re produed once again: > > > > > > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > transit > > > > > over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely > the > > > > > person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given > > > Zero. > > > > > there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, Guruji was not talking about " Karaktwa " at all( Is it a > > > special > > > > > case ? and not similar to others), Although, > > > > > > > > > > we know that " Karak controls the Status of House B " . > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > , " Ash's Corner@ " > > > > > <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING > OF > > > EVENT > > > > > and > > > > > > made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand > the > > > > > meaning of > > > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me re-explain the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good > power > > > in WS > > > > > for > > > > > > the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person > will > > > get > > > > > > that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. > That > > > > > should > > > > > > be clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due > to > > > > > Transit of > > > > > > Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the > timing > > > > > where a > > > > > > person will face some problems or some turbulence is the > " timing " > > > I am > > > > > > talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and > he > > > is to > > > > > get > > > > > > promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason > where > > > that > > > > > > problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. > So > > > lets > > > > > say > > > > > > Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to > > > > > something the > > > > > > native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be > due > > > to > > > > > some > > > > > > posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere > and > > > > > things > > > > > > might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will > make > > > it > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Ash's > > > > > > Corner@ > > > > > > Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting > Zero > > > SAV > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not > > > different. > > > > > > > > > > > > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the " Cause " or > the > > > > > " Reason " , > > > > > > then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. > You > > > are > > > > > also > > > > > > aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet > has > > > no > > > > > > support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say > then > > > the > > > > > > problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend > on > > > the > > > > > > Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the " cause " or the > > > > > " reason " . > > > > > > > > > > > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see > from > > > the > > > > > Transit > > > > > > of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars > > > takes > > > > > to > > > > > > transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving > > > fast or > > > > > is > > > > > > vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to > study > > > the > > > > > > nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that > is > > > based > > > > > on > > > > > > Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma > > > transit > > > > > the > > > > > > house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. > So Me > > > is > > > > > > natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here > its > > > > > aries > > > > > > lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will > be > > > FK > > > > > for 2 > > > > > > other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 > > > points > > > > > then > > > > > > too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote > the > > > > > nature of > > > > > > the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak > > > controls > > > > > the > > > > > > Status of House B. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above > > > > > understanding > > > > > > and let me know if think its different? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > Sanjiva > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero > SAV > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > > > Sharma " > > > > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old > messages: > > > - > > > > > > > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from > Ash > > > > > ji). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 3988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > > > > > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > > > > > > > is having two aspects. > > > > > > > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced > for > > > > > > > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in > 8th > > > > > > > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A > 1st > > > > > house > > > > > > > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C > then > > > 4th > > > > > > > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th > house > > > is > > > > > > > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is > reduced. > > > ( > > > > > > > Still there are some other factors which may increase or > reduced > > > the > > > > > > > effect) > > > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > > > > > > > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > > > > > > > definitely the person may face some worries for the house > whose > > > lord > > > > > > > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets > due > > > to > > > > > > > transit. > > > > > > > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's > transit > > > > > > > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and > > > worries, > > > > > > > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is > lord of > > > 4th > > > > > > > and 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say > > > Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u > distribute > > > points > > > > > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury > or in > > > > > > > other words making a favourable yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then > > > there > > > > > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th > > > house. > > > > > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd > house. > > > 6th > > > > > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A > ( > > > > > > Karaktwa) > > > > > > > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji > > > talks > > > > > > about > > > > > > > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " > Karakatwa' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the above points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , > " nikhlesh > > > > > mathur " > > > > > > > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected > Krishna > > > Sir > > > > > on > > > > > > a > > > > > > > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The message is : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due > to > > > > > > > > self: > > > > > > > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > > > > > > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > > > > > > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > > > > > > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > krushna ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your > > > understanding of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so > > > lets > > > > > make > > > > > > > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing > again > > > and > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you > will > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > this in more detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and > > > explain > > > > > what > > > > > > > happened during a period when such transit took place so > that > > > way we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of > speaking, > > > seal > > > > > > the > > > > > > > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > > > Sharma " > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in > SAV, > > > the > > > > > > > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related > to : > > > > > > > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > > > > > > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( > where > > > house > > > > > > > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house > will > > > be > > > > > low > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > because of zero) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( > > > Malefic), > > > > > on > > > > > > > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( > lordship > > > or > > > > > > > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Sanjiva and Group, I have to head out, but before i do i wanted to point out some typos. There are a couple of typo, but I think u can figure that out. 2nd is Karak sthan for 7th and 2nd lord is Karak for 7th. In the MD of 2nd lord shows KARAKATWA for 7th house. (please read Karak sthan as 8th house from the house B and its lord as KARAK). That should not create any confusion. Also in one spot i wrote 2nd lord is karak for 2nd, that is a typo. Please read it as 2nd lord is Karak for 7th house. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Sanjiva, > > Good. So we are ok upto here that the House represents many things and how that is derived. Why 2nd house is for marriage and also children and the logic is that 2nd house is A or Karak STHAN for 7th housee, it is HOUSE D for 5th house etc etc. > > Now addressing the LORDSHIP of the HOUSE. > > The lord REPRESENTS THE HOUSE. Therefore, 2nd lord is KARAK for 2nd, it is LoD for 5th etc and planet will give the antar dasha. > > Now just think, when we calculate delay what we see? We see, the aspect of Saturn on HOUSE A, B, C and/or LORD OF A, B AND C. So we check if the House is under the grasp of Sa or its LORD. > > So 2nd house is KARAK STHAN and its LORD is KARAK. > > So in MD of 2nd LORD it shows the KARAKATWA. > > So the 2nd lord will first become > > 1) LoA (will show Karakatwa) for 7th house. It will control the status of 7th house. > > 2) LoB (lord of B itself) i.e. it will become 2nd house lord. > > 3) LoC (Lord of 10th from A or 5th from B) i.e. for 10th house as B or 5th house as A > > 4) LoD (Lord of 10th from B or 3rd from A) B = 7th > 5) LoE (Lord of 6th from B or 11th from A) B = 9th. > > So if 2nd lord is spoilt or 2nd house is affected then all the above will get disturbed. So we say that if Venus is spoilt which is natural karak then there might be multiple marriages or divorse and 1st step ahead of that will be 2nd lord which is FK. > > So when Sa and Ma transit over 0 points then u want to find out the area where the problems will be faced or severe that can be studied by considering the house for which the planet has RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL THE STATUS i.e. the KARAK FOR WHICH HOUSE. So from studying the planet as A, u can get the karakatwa where happiness will get reduced or problems will be faced as A CONTROLS STATUS OF B. > > Just undrestand this. The planet is same, but it holds different portfolios. > > In other analogy, A You are Sanjiva, who is Father of your children, Husband of your wife, Son of your Dad and Mom, Friend of group, a student of Guru ji etc etc. > > So if sanjiva is stressed (1st house) then first thing 1st controls 6th so your health will suffer, then at same time, your happiness from kutumb will get reduced as 1st is LoD for 4th and similarly for 8th house, and at same time you will feel that " why such and such happened .. why am i not lucky " as its LoC for 9th :-). > > Same way, if 1st lord and house is enhanced then its the opposite, you will feel good about yourself, so u will become more positive, so u can do good work and that will more probability for become lucky so like that.................. > > Hope u understand now... > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > Namestey, > > > > I am getting your point that " A house has many roles to play " > > > > e.g. 2nd House - " A House for 7th ( Marriage, wife , partnership etc) " ; > > " B House for 2nd ( Wealth, family etc) " ; " C House for 10 th house ( > > Authority etc) " ;D House for 5th ( Childeren, Higher Education, change in > > Job etc); and " E house for 9th ( Luck, Father, Guru etc) > > > > This is the case, where " A House *represents* various facets of other > > house as well " > > > > But, when it comes to the specific case of *LORDSHIP ( of house for > > planet is giving zero)*; does it not mean *ONLY* - " B House " ? > > > > Am I missing something or my understanding is not right? > > > > Please, guide me. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > No, it better to ask again and again, to clarify and become crystal > > clear with the basics and concept as that will help you build other > > concepts on solid understanding. > > > > > > Just see the lesson in which Guru ji has given what each house > > represents. > > > > > > For 2nd house, its wealth, wife, property, marriage, success of > > children, bank balance, wealth, children, description of partner etc > > etc. > > > > > > How have these been derived? > > > > > > What has children got to do with 2nd house? > > > > > > What is success of children and what does it have to do with 2nd > > house? > > > > > > Why is marriage from 2nd house? isnt marriage 7th house... what is the > > difference? > > > > > > Bank Balance, Wealth is 2nd house why? > > > > > > Why Guru ji has given property too in 2nd house? > > > > > > Please answer these questions in detail. Let's make this a discussion > > so that you will understand. > > > > > > Looking forward to your explanation. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > > > Namestey. > > > > > > > > Please, forgive me if I am annoying you , too much, with my query > > again > > > > and again. > > > > > > > > But, doubt is still there. > > > > > > > > You stated that " :- > > > > > > > > " So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting > > over > > > > 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and > > that > > > > will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it > > means > > > > that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some > > other > > > > house so that planet is playing many roles. " > > > > > > > > If this is the case of " House Planet( giving zero) Represent " , > > then > > > > Your above statement is OK and very clear. BUT, > > > > > > > > as I indicated( in my last mail) that Guru ji , only taks about " > > > > lordship " , as reproduced below ( once again) > > > > > > > > " The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit > > over > > > > the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the > > person > > > > may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero.there > > is > > > > no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I am of the impression that when Guru ji talks about " the house > > whose > > > > lord have given Zero " , He meant it to be " House B " , and that is > > the > > > > reason for my this doubt. > > > > > > > > Please, enlighten me on this aspect as well > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva, > > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time, I am giving my reply in short. > > > > > > > > > > When Guru ji is talking about a House, then what is it that one > > means? > > > > > > > > > > When you say 2nd house, then 2nd house is first A for 7th, then > > its B > > > > for 2nd, then its C for 10th, its D for 5th and E for 9th. > > > > > > > > > > When we say that a planet 2nd house with more than 4 bindus, then > > what > > > > we say? > > > > > > > > > > We say that the planet is Karak for 7th (in House A), it is in > > House D > > > > for 5th and in House E for 9th so it will become eager for timing, > > then > > > > it is in House B with power of more than 4 so that will be added in > > WS > > > > (A + B + C) so for B we will take its power. > > > > > > > > > > So, please understand that a House is ABCDE for other house with > > > > everything beginning at A. > > > > > > > > > > So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting > > > > over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues > > and > > > > that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that > > it > > > > means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for > > some > > > > other house so that planet is playing many roles. Now if we are > > talking > > > > about the reason then we are focussed on the role that house is > > Karak > > > > sthan for as A so that will denote the " cause " as it is " Karak " > > sthan > > > > for another house and it is responsible to control the status of > > that > > > > house B. > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namestey, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree ( understand) that " Timing of Event " will be based on > > > > > > " WS-POWER " . > > > > > > > > > > > > I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will > > depend > > > > upon > > > > > > the " Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet) " , > > BUT; > > > > > > > > > > > > My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit > > of > > > > zero > > > > > > house, Guru ji stated about the " LORDSHIP " ( and not Karaktwa), > > > > Guruji's > > > > > > statement is re produed once again: > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > > transit > > > > > > over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely > > the > > > > > > person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given > > > > Zero. > > > > > > there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, Guruji was not talking about " Karaktwa " at all( Is it a > > > > special > > > > > > case ? and not similar to others), Although, > > > > > > > > > > > > we know that " Karak controls the Status of House B " . > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Ash's Corner@ " > > > > > > <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING > > OF > > > > EVENT > > > > > > and > > > > > > > made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand > > the > > > > > > meaning of > > > > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me re-explain the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good > > power > > > > in WS > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person > > will > > > > get > > > > > > > that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. > > That > > > > > > should > > > > > > > be clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due > > to > > > > > > Transit of > > > > > > > Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the > > timing > > > > > > where a > > > > > > > person will face some problems or some turbulence is the > > " timing " > > > > I am > > > > > > > talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and > > he > > > > is to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason > > where > > > > that > > > > > > > problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. > > So > > > > lets > > > > > > say > > > > > > > Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to > > > > > > something the > > > > > > > native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be > > due > > > > to > > > > > > some > > > > > > > posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere > > and > > > > > > things > > > > > > > might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will > > make > > > > it > > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Ash's > > > > > > > Corner@ > > > > > > > Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting > > Zero > > > > SAV > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not > > > > different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the " Cause " or > > the > > > > > > " Reason " , > > > > > > > then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. > > You > > > > are > > > > > > also > > > > > > > aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet > > has > > > > no > > > > > > > support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say > > then > > > > the > > > > > > > problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the " cause " or the > > > > > > " reason " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see > > from > > > > the > > > > > > Transit > > > > > > > of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars > > > > takes > > > > > > to > > > > > > > transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving > > > > fast or > > > > > > is > > > > > > > vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to > > study > > > > the > > > > > > > nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that > > is > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma > > > > transit > > > > > > the > > > > > > > house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. > > So Me > > > > is > > > > > > > natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here > > its > > > > > > aries > > > > > > > lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will > > be > > > > FK > > > > > > for 2 > > > > > > > other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 > > > > points > > > > > > then > > > > > > > too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote > > the > > > > > > nature of > > > > > > > the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak > > > > controls > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Status of House B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > and let me know if think its different? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > Sanjiva > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero > > SAV > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > > > > Sharma " > > > > > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old > > messages: > > > > - > > > > > > > > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from > > Ash > > > > > > ji). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 3988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > > > > > > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > > > > > > > > is having two aspects. > > > > > > > > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced > > for > > > > > > > > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in > > 8th > > > > > > > > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A > > 1st > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C > > then > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th > > house > > > > is > > > > > > > > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is > > reduced. > > > > ( > > > > > > > > Still there are some other factors which may increase or > > reduced > > > > the > > > > > > > > effect) > > > > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > > > > > > > > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > > > > > > > > definitely the person may face some worries for the house > > whose > > > > lord > > > > > > > > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets > > due > > > > to > > > > > > > > transit. > > > > > > > > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's > > transit > > > > > > > > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and > > > > worries, > > > > > > > > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is > > lord of > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > and 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say > > > > Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u > > distribute > > > > points > > > > > > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury > > or in > > > > > > > > other words making a favourable yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then > > > > there > > > > > > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd > > house. > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A > > ( > > > > > > > Karaktwa) > > > > > > > > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji > > > > talks > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " > > Karakatwa' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the above points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , > > " nikhlesh > > > > > > mathur " > > > > > > > > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected > > Krishna > > > > Sir > > > > > > on > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The message is : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due > > to > > > > > > > > > self: > > > > > > > > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > > > > > > > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > > > > > > > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > > > > > > > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > krushna ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so > > > > lets > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing > > again > > > > and > > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you > > will > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > this in more detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and > > > > explain > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > happened during a period when such transit took place so > > that > > > > way we > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of > > speaking, > > > > seal > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > > > > Sharma " > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in > > SAV, > > > > the > > > > > > > > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related > > to : > > > > > > > > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > > > > > > > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( > > where > > > > house > > > > > > > > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house > > will > > > > be > > > > > > low > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > because of zero) > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( > > > > Malefic), > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( > > lordship > > > > or > > > > > > > > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Dear Ash ji, Namestey, Things are crystal clear now. Thanks and Regards Sanjiva Sharma , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Sanjiva and Group, > > I have to head out, but before i do i wanted to point out some typos. > > There are a couple of typo, but I think u can figure that out. > > 2nd is Karak sthan for 7th and 2nd lord is Karak for 7th. In the MD of 2nd lord shows KARAKATWA for 7th house. (please read Karak sthan as 8th house from the house B and its lord as KARAK). > > That should not create any confusion. > > Also in one spot i wrote 2nd lord is karak for 2nd, that is a typo. Please read it as 2nd lord is Karak for 7th house. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " ashsam73 " kas@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sanjiva, > > > > Good. So we are ok upto here that the House represents many things and how that is derived. Why 2nd house is for marriage and also children and the logic is that 2nd house is A or Karak STHAN for 7th housee, it is HOUSE D for 5th house etc etc. > > > > Now addressing the LORDSHIP of the HOUSE. > > > > The lord REPRESENTS THE HOUSE. Therefore, 2nd lord is KARAK for 2nd, it is LoD for 5th etc and planet will give the antar dasha. > > > > Now just think, when we calculate delay what we see? We see, the aspect of Saturn on HOUSE A, B, C and/or LORD OF A, B AND C. So we check if the House is under the grasp of Sa or its LORD. > > > > So 2nd house is KARAK STHAN and its LORD is KARAK. > > > > So in MD of 2nd LORD it shows the KARAKATWA. > > > > So the 2nd lord will first become > > > > 1) LoA (will show Karakatwa) for 7th house. It will control the status of 7th house. > > > > 2) LoB (lord of B itself) i.e. it will become 2nd house lord. > > > > 3) LoC (Lord of 10th from A or 5th from B) i.e. for 10th house as B or 5th house as A > > > > 4) LoD (Lord of 10th from B or 3rd from A) B = 7th > > 5) LoE (Lord of 6th from B or 11th from A) B = 9th. > > > > So if 2nd lord is spoilt or 2nd house is affected then all the above will get disturbed. So we say that if Venus is spoilt which is natural karak then there might be multiple marriages or divorse and 1st step ahead of that will be 2nd lord which is FK. > > > > So when Sa and Ma transit over 0 points then u want to find out the area where the problems will be faced or severe that can be studied by considering the house for which the planet has RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL THE STATUS i.e. the KARAK FOR WHICH HOUSE. So from studying the planet as A, u can get the karakatwa where happiness will get reduced or problems will be faced as A CONTROLS STATUS OF B. > > > > Just undrestand this. The planet is same, but it holds different portfolios. > > > > In other analogy, A You are Sanjiva, who is Father of your children, Husband of your wife, Son of your Dad and Mom, Friend of group, a student of Guru ji etc etc. > > > > So if sanjiva is stressed (1st house) then first thing 1st controls 6th so your health will suffer, then at same time, your happiness from kutumb will get reduced as 1st is LoD for 4th and similarly for 8th house, and at same time you will feel that " why such and such happened ... why am i not lucky " as its LoC for 9th :-). > > > > Same way, if 1st lord and house is enhanced then its the opposite, you will feel good about yourself, so u will become more positive, so u can do good work and that will more probability for become lucky so like that.................. > > > > Hope u understand now... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " <sanjiva_sharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > Namestey, > > > > > > I am getting your point that " A house has many roles to play " > > > > > > e.g. 2nd House - " A House for 7th ( Marriage, wife , partnership etc) " ; > > > " B House for 2nd ( Wealth, family etc) " ; " C House for 10 th house ( > > > Authority etc) " ;D House for 5th ( Childeren, Higher Education, change in > > > Job etc); and " E house for 9th ( Luck, Father, Guru etc) > > > > > > This is the case, where " A House *represents* various facets of other > > > house as well " > > > > > > But, when it comes to the specific case of *LORDSHIP ( of house for > > > planet is giving zero)*; does it not mean *ONLY* - " B House " ? > > > > > > Am I missing something or my understanding is not right? > > > > > > Please, guide me. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > No, it better to ask again and again, to clarify and become crystal > > > clear with the basics and concept as that will help you build other > > > concepts on solid understanding. > > > > > > > > Just see the lesson in which Guru ji has given what each house > > > represents. > > > > > > > > For 2nd house, its wealth, wife, property, marriage, success of > > > children, bank balance, wealth, children, description of partner etc > > > etc. > > > > > > > > How have these been derived? > > > > > > > > What has children got to do with 2nd house? > > > > > > > > What is success of children and what does it have to do with 2nd > > > house? > > > > > > > > Why is marriage from 2nd house? isnt marriage 7th house... what is the > > > difference? > > > > > > > > Bank Balance, Wealth is 2nd house why? > > > > > > > > Why Guru ji has given property too in 2nd house? > > > > > > > > Please answer these questions in detail. Let's make this a discussion > > > so that you will understand. > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your explanation. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namestey. > > > > > > > > > > Please, forgive me if I am annoying you , too much, with my query > > > again > > > > > and again. > > > > > > > > > > But, doubt is still there. > > > > > > > > > > You stated that " :- > > > > > > > > > > " So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting > > > over > > > > > 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues and > > > that > > > > > will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that it > > > means > > > > > that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for some > > > other > > > > > house so that planet is playing many roles. " > > > > > > > > > > If this is the case of " House Planet( giving zero) Represent " , > > > then > > > > > Your above statement is OK and very clear. BUT, > > > > > > > > > > as I indicated( in my last mail) that Guru ji , only taks about " > > > > > lordship " , as reproduced below ( once again) > > > > > > > > > > " The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's transit > > > over > > > > > the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely the > > > person > > > > > may face some worries for the house whose lord have given Zero.there > > > is > > > > > no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am of the impression that when Guru ji talks about " the house > > > whose > > > > > lord have given Zero " , He meant it to be " House B " , and that is > > > the > > > > > reason for my this doubt. > > > > > > > > > > Please, enlighten me on this aspect as well > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva, > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to lack of time, I am giving my reply in short. > > > > > > > > > > > > When Guru ji is talking about a House, then what is it that one > > > means? > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say 2nd house, then 2nd house is first A for 7th, then > > > its B > > > > > for 2nd, then its C for 10th, its D for 5th and E for 9th. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we say that a planet 2nd house with more than 4 bindus, then > > > what > > > > > we say? > > > > > > > > > > > > We say that the planet is Karak for 7th (in House A), it is in > > > House D > > > > > for 5th and in House E for 9th so it will become eager for timing, > > > then > > > > > it is in House B with power of more than 4 so that will be added in > > > WS > > > > > (A + B + C) so for B we will take its power. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, please understand that a House is ABCDE for other house with > > > > > everything beginning at A. > > > > > > > > > > > > So if a planet has 0 points in a House and sa and ma is transiting > > > > > over 0 points then for that full period one will face some issues > > > and > > > > > that will depend on the House that the planet represents and by that > > > it > > > > > means that that House is A for some house, it is B, C, D and E for > > > some > > > > > other house so that planet is playing many roles. Now if we are > > > talking > > > > > about the reason then we are focussed on the role that house is > > > Karak > > > > > sthan for as A so that will denote the " cause " as it is " Karak " > > > sthan > > > > > for another house and it is responsible to control the status of > > > that > > > > > house B. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sanjiva Sharma " > > > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namestey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot, for explaining in such -a- detailed way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree ( understand) that " Timing of Event " will be based on > > > > > > > " WS-POWER " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also understand that Result of House B ( phalsthan) will > > > depend > > > > > upon > > > > > > > the " Status of Lord of House A(i.e. status of Karaka planet) " , > > > BUT; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doubt was due to the fact that in this case of Sa/ Ma transit > > > of > > > > > zero > > > > > > > house, Guru ji stated about the " LORDSHIP " ( and not Karaktwa), > > > > > Guruji's > > > > > > > statement is re produed once again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > > > transit > > > > > > > over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then definitely > > > the > > > > > > > person may face some worries for the house whose lord have given > > > > > Zero. > > > > > > > there is no effect of the benefic planets due to transit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, Guruji was not talking about " Karaktwa " at all( Is it a > > > > > special > > > > > > > case ? and not similar to others), Although, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we know that " Karak controls the Status of House B " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will understand my dilemna, here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Ash's Corner@ " > > > > > > > <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not want you to get confused. When I spoke about TIMING > > > OF > > > > > EVENT > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > made reference to Sa and Ma over 0 points, please understand > > > the > > > > > > > meaning of > > > > > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me re-explain the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Timing of Event is from WS power. So say a person has good > > > power > > > > > in WS > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the house that is involved for Job and Promotion. So a person > > > will > > > > > get > > > > > > > > that, irrespective of the Transit of Sa and Ma over 0 points. > > > That > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next, what I meant w.r.t timing was the timing of trouble due > > > to > > > > > > > Transit of > > > > > > > > Sa and Ma over 0 points. So if a Person has a job, then the > > > timing > > > > > > > where a > > > > > > > > person will face some problems or some turbulence is the > > > " timing " > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > talking about or referring. So now, if a person has a job and > > > he > > > > > is to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > promotion then there might be some delay or say the reason > > > where > > > > > that > > > > > > > > problem or turbulence will come from is seen by the karakatwa. > > > So > > > > > lets > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > Me is 10th lord and 1st lord then the problem might be due to > > > > > > > something the > > > > > > > > native did or parakram and if ME is 7th lord then it might be > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > posting due or urgent work that a person is deputed somewhere > > > and > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > might get delayed etc etc. So that can be studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you do not confuse the context and reading above will > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Ash's > > > > > > > > Corner@ > > > > > > > > Thursday June 4, 2009 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: Re: Saturn Transiting > > > Zero > > > > > SAV > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjiva ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guru ji has written and what I have written are not > > > > > different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The basic thing is, that when we are discussing the " Cause " or > > > the > > > > > > > " Reason " , > > > > > > > > then that is studied via the Karak and Karakatwa i.e. House A. > > > You > > > > > are > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > aware that we say that the MD is shows the Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, if a planet has 0 power in a house then that planet > > > has > > > > > no > > > > > > > > support. When Ma and Sa transit over a planet that has no say > > > then > > > > > the > > > > > > > > problem area or where that problem will manifest will depend > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Karakatwa of that planet as we are studying the " cause " or the > > > > > > > " reason " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So as far as Timing of problem goes, then that you can see > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > Transit > > > > > > > > of Sa or Ma over 0 points so 2.5 years or the period that mars > > > > > takes > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > transit over 0 points (that can vary based on ma if its moving > > > > > fast or > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > vakri etc). So that is timing, and then next is you want to > > > study > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nature of the problem or in what area it will cause then that > > > is > > > > > based > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > Karakatwa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say if Lagna is Aries and Me has 0 power, then, when Sa or Ma > > > > > transit > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > house then the problems will arise based on what Me denotes. > > > So Me > > > > > is > > > > > > > > natural Karak for 11th and 8th and FK for 2 other house (here > > > its > > > > > > > aries > > > > > > > > lagna so FK and NK is same) but for some other lagna, Me will > > > be > > > > > FK > > > > > > > for 2 > > > > > > > > other house and if Me is situated in a House with more than 4 > > > > > points > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > too it will become Karak for some house. So that will denote > > > the > > > > > > > nature of > > > > > > > > the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House A = Karak and House B = Phal sthan. We always say Karak > > > > > controls > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Status of House B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope its clear. Please now re-read the posts with the above > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > and let me know if think its different? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > Sanjiva > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > Wednesday June 3, 2009 8:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Saturn Transiting Zero > > > SAV > > > > > > > House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Respected Guru ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the issue, given in my message below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > > > > > Sharma " > > > > > > > > sanjiva_sharma@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Sindhu ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My query ( doubt) came through , while reading two old > > > messages: > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Message no.3988 ( from Guru ji), and Message no. 8718 ( from > > > Ash > > > > > > > ji). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am reproducing the content of these two messages below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 3988 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash and list members, > > > > > > > > > When there is zero point due to any planet in any house, it > > > > > > > > > is having two aspects. > > > > > > > > > 1) Definately the total strength of the planet is reduced > > > for > > > > > > > > > all the houses concerned with that house. For Example say in > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > house Saturn is giving Zero. Now considering 8th house as A > > > 1st > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > is B, 8th house it self as B and considering 8th house as C > > > then > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > house is B. So the strength of Saturn for 1st 4th and 8th > > > house > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > reduced. So the result due to Saturn for these house is > > > reduced. > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > Still there are some other factors which may increase or > > > reduced > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > effect) > > > > > > > > > 2) The transit effect: When a natural malefic is having it's > > > > > > > > > transit over the house where any planet is giving Zero, then > > > > > > > > > definitely the person may face some worries for the house > > > whose > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > have given Zero. there is no effect of the benefic planets > > > due > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > transit. > > > > > > > > > So in above case if say Mars or Saturn is having it's > > > transit > > > > > > > > > over 8th house, then the native will face some problem and > > > > > worries, > > > > > > > > > the reason is related to 4th and 5th house, as Saturn is > > > lord of > > > > > 4th > > > > > > > > > and 5th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message No.- 8718 ( from Ash ji) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take a hypothetical example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Lagna and there is a zero in the 9th house due to say > > > > > Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e Mercury has power of 0 which means that when u > > > distribute > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > using BAV, there was no planet that was supporting Mercury > > > or in > > > > > > > > > other words making a favourable yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this Mercury has 0 power for 9th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now when Sa or Mars transits 9th house i.e. Sagittarius then > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > will be problems. These problems will be due to 11th and 8th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > This is because for aries lagna MErcury rules 6th and 3rd > > > house. > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > > is A for 11th and 3rd is A for 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In his message ( No. 8718) Ash ji talks about the " House A > > > ( > > > > > > > > Karaktwa) > > > > > > > > > of the Planet " , while in the message ( No. 3988) , Guru ji > > > > > talks > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > Lordship. Even Sindu ji in his response talks about " > > > Karakatwa' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, clarify the above points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , > > > " nikhlesh > > > > > > > mathur " > > > > > > > > > nikhleshmathur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just happen to locate this message of our respected > > > Krishna > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > similar question he answered sometime back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be Sanjiva ji can benifit form this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The message is : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( The transit of Sa and/or Ma over a house having zero due > > > to > > > > > > > > > > self: > > > > > > > > > > The result due to Sa will be unnecessary tension, some > > > > > > > > > > disturbance in 3rd and 4th house result. > > > > > > > > > > Due to Ma..non coperation > > > > > > > > > > from assistances, unnecessary blames etc are experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > krushna ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:46:10 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjiva ji and Group Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sanjiva ji and all members Please also give your > > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same.... I have written about this phenemenon many times, so > > > > > lets > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > this a discussion rather than me explaining the same thing > > > again > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So please discuss this in further detail and then you > > > will > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > this in more detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It will also be better, to take a concrete example and > > > > > explain > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > happened during a period when such transit took place so > > > that > > > > > way we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > confirm the theory with practical, and in a manner of > > > speaking, > > > > > seal > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > deal as far as understanding of this phenemenon goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > >Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Sanjiva > > > > > Sharma " > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Ash and other group members, > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Please clarify the following query. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> " When Saturn is transiting a house, having Zero in > > > SAV, > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > effected event ( some worries / deficiency) will be related > > > to : > > > > > > > > > > >> 1. the " Lordship of the Planet " ( giving zero) " or > > > > > > > > > > >> 2. to the " Karaktwa of the Planet " ( giving zero) " > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Please, advise wchich of the above two is correct? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> We know that when there is Zero in SAV, it implies that > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > some wekaness in the chart, as Basic Strength of A+B+C ( > > > where > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > with zero is linked either " A " or " B " or " C:) of the house > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > > low > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > because of zero) > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Please , elaborate the effect of transit of Saturn ( > > > > > Malefic), > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > this zero value house, will have on the other aspect( > > > lordship > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > karalatwa of planet giving zero to the house) of the chart > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Sanjiva Sharma > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.