Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is this correct? I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. Thank You, Shalini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, Its quite simple. When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house. Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they havesight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planetsgetting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Againthose should not be afflicted by 6th lord. Hope its clear now. Regards Anup --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: shalini3004 <shalini3004 Sub Period- Guide Pls Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members,I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is this correct? I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. Thank You,Shalini See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Dear Anup Ji, Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting incorrectly. Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house. " Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank You, Shalini , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > Its quite simple. > > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight > on these house. > > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > > > Hope its clear now. > > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004 > Sub Period- Guide Pls > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is > this correct? > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Shalini ji, There are many charts that come on this list. You can practice on those charts and apply to learn these things. I have given some charts and so has Anup ji to the list for practice. You can start to solve those charts and learn otherwise explaining the same theory again and again is of no use. I hope this helps. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of shalini3004 Wednesday August 26, 2009 6:52 PM To: Subject: Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls Dear Anup Ji, Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting incorrectly. Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house. " Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank You, Shalini , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > Its quite simple. > > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight > on these house. > > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > > > Hope its clear now. > > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004 > Sub Period- Guide Pls > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is > this correct? > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Shalini ji, Yes, Hussein ji is learning the system very well, and he is taking up charts and solving them nicely. You can become his “sparring partner” and practice these things and have a good discussion. That way, after the discussion if u are still stuck up, we can step in and guide you. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash's Corner Wednesday August 26, 2009 7:42 PM To: RE: Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls Shalini ji, There are many charts that come on this list. You can practice on those charts and apply to learn these things. I have given some charts and so has Anup ji to the list for practice. You can start to solve those charts and learn otherwise explaining the same theory again and again is of no use. I hope this helps. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of shalini3004 Wednesday August 26, 2009 6:52 PM Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls Dear Anup Ji, Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting incorrectly. Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house. " Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank You, Shalini , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > Its quite simple. > > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight > on these house. > > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > > > Hope its clear now. > > > Regards > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004 > Sub Period- Guide Pls > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is > this correct? > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, Thank You for your kind reply. I have been looking at the charts in the archives, however even so questions do arise. I am not asking for hand me outs only clarifications. As I said I am going through the archives carefully and slowly and sometimes what is written is not always explained clearly to me at least, but I am working on it. I may ask questions that may seem that I should already know, because sometimes I confusion arises. I sincerely want to learn KAS and have faith in it I feel that slowly I am understanding it better. I feel you are right in that if a group of us can spar about charts would be beneficial I would really like to be a part of this. This will definitely hep me very much. Sometimes it helps just to talk it out or even just put our thoughts down here right or wrong and be guided. Thank You, Shalini , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Shalini ji, > > There are many charts that come on this list. You can practice on those > charts and apply to learn these things. > > I have given some charts and so has Anup ji to the list for practice. You > can start to solve those charts and learn otherwise explaining the same > theory again and again is of no use. > > I hope this helps. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of shalini3004 > Wednesday August 26, 2009 6:52 PM > > Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls > > > Dear Anup Ji, > > Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am > understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting > incorrectly. > > Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the > event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of > it's sight on these house. " > > Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if > it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is > not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I > gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then > Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD > and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA > can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points > for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > > <%40> , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > Its quite simple. > > > > > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's > sight > > on these house. > > > > > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > > > > > > Hope its clear now. > > > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@> > > Sub Period- Guide Pls > > > <%40> > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need > some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event > the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function > or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result > in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can > give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is > functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give > marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE > (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for > marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or > LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus > without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of > result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting > A-B-C is > > this correct? > > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not > itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear > members can guide me on this. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out > Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, Yes,you are right. Sa and Ve are natural samdharmi also.So these both can step in for each other even if they are not functional SD to each other.Here points are not considered as you are saying. Please read the following mail which Guruji explained on 16th aug 2008 in Kas Parvin.This is an eye opener for all who wants to study like you about samdharmi relatioship. Dear Students, here is another lesson 1. Samdharmi and their relationships 1.1 What does 'Samdharmi' mean? The word "Samdharmi" means "same law, same custom or same peculiarity" . When two planets are said to be Samdharmi, they follow the same law or custom. Samdharmi planets are those planets that behave similarly and are capable of bringing forth the results for the other planet. There are two types of Samdharmi – Natural Samdharmi Functional Samdharmi 1.2 What are Natural Samdharmis? Venus and Saturn, Mars and Sun, Mars and Moon are known as Natural Samdharmis (see Fig.36 below). If any of these planets are powerful significators for an event and the other one gets a chance, it will step in to give the result. Results are generally given in the sub period of the planet, but it is not required that these planets should be functional samdharmi. Fig.36 – Natural Samdharmis – southern and northern chart views Only when two planets are located in their opposite signs, which would give them a 1:7 relationship and if one of those planets has a minimum of 4 points or more, which gives results on both sides, will the other planet not act as a samdharmi. In this case it is not vice versa. For example, we know that Venus and Saturn are Natural Samdharmi to each other. Let's place them in opposite signs from one another in the chart. Venus has 5 points while Saturn has 3 points. Any two planets when they are in a 1:7 relationship have some enmity towards each other. The planet with more than 4 points will not cooperate with the other planet having less than 3 points. In this case, Venus will not accept support from Saturn, preventing Saturn from acting as Samdharmi towards Venus. But if Saturn is a strong significator, then Venus can give the result. Any planets with 4 points exactly are said to be neutral. When it is linked to a Samdharmi planet however, it refuses to accept help and in this case, Venus will not get substituted by Saturn. Similarly, when Venus is in the nakshatra of the Krittika constellation, or 43 degrees away from the Sun or nearer to the Sun within 3 degrees (combust), it will not accept help from Saturn, allowing it to act as Samdharmi for it. Venus in the above conditions gives a malefic result instead. When Venus is in the Sun's constellation it also gets its power reduced. In Krittika, it loses all of its natural properties. 1.3 What are Functional Samdharmis? In the following situations, two planets are considered to be Functional Samdharmi in this order of significance, number one being the most important and number 4 being the least important. 1) When one planet has fewer points (less than 4) and it is placed in the tenth house from any other planet it is considered to be a functional samdharmi. For example, in Fig.36, Planet 'B' has less than 4 points and Planet 'A' is placed in the fourth house from it with more than 4 points. Planet 'A' must have more points than B in order to become Samdharmi to B. So if the sub period of B comes around and Planet A happens to come first, it can still represent B. If B is a powerful significator and the sub period of A comes first before B, Plant B still rules over Planet A because A is only representing B as a substitute or "stand-in". This is known in KAS as "The Tenth House Theory". 2) When two planets are in the same sign, they can be samdharmi. 3) When two planets are in the same constellation, they can be samdharmi. 4) When two planets are in the same Navamsha, they are samdharmi to each other. This however is the lowest level of samdharmi 5) A Planet is samdharmi to the Navamsha lord where it is deposited. This means that if two planets are samdharmi to another planet, then they will act accordingly in the above sequence from the highest level to the lowest level of strength. Fig.36 – The Tenth House Theory (If, in the above case, planet 'A' had less points then 'B', then planet 'A' would behave in a reverse way and might give adverse results if it didn't receive more than 12 points in its final tally, as indicated in the worksheet.) Sloka 6: There is a reference in Saravali regarding two planets in Kendras (angle houses – 1, 4, 7, 10), becoming mutual significators. We have a similar law in this system also. Saravali Chapter 6 sloka - 1, 2 and 3: Swarkshatrikonntund astha yadi kendreshu sansthitaI Anyonyam karakste syu: kendreshvev harermtamII 1II Ravitanyo jookstha: kulirlagne bruhaspatihimanshuI Meshe kujo raviyut: pararsparm karaka ete II2II Tungsuhrutkhgruhnas he stitha gruha: karaka: samakhyata:I Meshurane ch raviriti visheshto vakti chanakya: II 3II MEANING: When two planets are in a Kendra and are exalted or own the house they are in, they become mutual karakas or significators. In the above sloka, Acharya Vishnugupt says that this happens only with respect to Kendras. One example, (as illustrated in Fig.37) for the Cancer lagna is given, with Saturn in Libra, the Moon and Jupiter in the lagna, Sun and Mars in Aries. In this case, all of them became mutual karakas. Similarly, some authors say that planets that are mutually angular though not necessarily from the ascendant are also mutual significators. For our purposes, when two planets are exalted or own the Kendra house they are in, making them mutual karakas, this is also a phenomenon that we use in this system. Fig.37 – Example of Mutual Karakas in Kendras from Sloka 6 1.4 How Samdharmi Planets Act 1) Samdharmi planets generally act for benefic results only. For malefic results, they will NOT come forward. Death however, is an exceptional event. Although we usually view it as a bad event, it is experienced in the sub of a powerful significator for the 8th house. Therefore, death may be a possible event in the sub period of a Samdharmi planet. 2) Rahu and Ketu represents to the lord of the sign and the lord of the constellation in which they are located. For example, if Rahu is in 15 degrees of Cancer, then it is in the sign of the Moon, and in the Nakshatra of Pushya, which is the sector that covers 3 deg. 20 min. – 16 deg. 40 min. of the sign Cancer and is ruled by Saturn. So Rahu will represent to the Moon and Saturn. It can give benefic results in its sub period but only when the Moon and Saturn are both receiving more than 12 points. Same way Rahu will be samdharmi to the navmansha lord (lord of the navmansha where Rahu or ketu are located in navmansha) . 3) The Samdharmi planets can give the results of each other as illustrated in Figure 38. Suppose Planet 'X' and 'Y' are samdharmi and powerful. Let Planet 'X' be the stronger Significator for any event of the life and is also having its sight on one of the signifying houses. In such a case, the result will be experienced in the sub period of 'Y'. If 'X' is the stronger significator and 'Y' is also the 2nd or the 3rd strongest significator, in this case also, if the sub period of 'Y' is earlier, results may be experienced. Fig.38 – Samdharmi Example 4) In Fig.39 below, Planet X is in the same sign as Planet Z in the rasi chart below and Y is in the same Navamsha sign as Z is in its rasi chart. Here we can say that planets X and Y are BOTH Samdharmi to Planet Z except X will be stronger due to its placement in the rasi chart as it sits alongside of Planet Z and its effect will be felt much stronger more in the subperiod of Z than Y will. Fig.39 – Samdharmi in Rasi and Navamsha 5) Generally, Samdharmi planets should have at least 12 points. Then and only then, will it act as Samdharmi. (see Fig.40). Fig. 40 – Samdharmi Planets and the point minimum it needs to be effective 6) Samdharmi planets come forward only in the event that a powerful significator is unable to give the result, OR - · if the sub of a powerful planet is farther away and the samdharmi planet corresponds to the proper age for that event, OR - · if the event is indicated as delayed, then even if the powerful planet's sub period is earlier, the result will not be experienced and in such a case, the samdharmi will come forward to act in its place. 7) Jupiter in Libra loses its good qualities and acts as a malefic instead. This is generally experienced when considering the qualities of marriage. If Jupiter in this case is Samdharmi to any planet, it may give the results, but the results will be troublesome. 8) If any planet is the sixth lord, it will not act as Samdharmi to any planet. The exception to this rule comes when we place the House B focus for the result on the 1st or the 9th house. 9) If any planet gets points that were given to the sixth lord which may be due to a 4:10 house pattern or by sight, it will not act as Samdharmi. 10) Similar treatment should be given for the 12th lord from B meaning that if any planet gives points to the 12th lord from B, it will not act as Samdharmi. 11) Suppose we are considering the result of a 10th house focus (B). Then, if any planet becomes powerful due to the 9th lord being in the 4th place from it, such planets will not act as a significator. (needs to be reworded, sounds confusing) 12) If a Samdharmi planet is placed in the 12th house from B, it will not give good results. 13) If a Samdharmi planet is placed in either the A, B or C houses, it will give better results. 14) We consider the sight of a powerful significator for not giving the results, but for Samdharmi planets, this does not apply.. 15) Suppose X and Z are Samdharmi planets. For any house, let's say that X is a powerful significator. Z will not interfere until X finds itself unable to give results, in accordance to the rules of point #6. 16) Samdharmi planets may come forward without any reason if it is also the powerful Samdharmi to the lord of either the D or E houses. krushna 15th Aug 2008 2nd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: shalini3004 <shalini3004 Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:22 AM Dear Anup Ji,Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting incorrectly. Anup Ji: "When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house."Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank You,Shalini astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Shalini ji,> > > Its quite simple.> > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event> itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight > on these house.> > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have> sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets> getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again> those should not be afflicted by 6th lord.> > > Hope its clear now.> > > Regards> Anup> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> wrote:> > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...>> [astrologyandtiming events] Sub Period- Guide Pls> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM> > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members,> > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is> this correct? > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. > > Thank You,> > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. /> start: 2008-06-21 end: 0000-00-00 See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Dear Shalini ji Ve if as a event giving planet is aspecting houses A, B, C cannot give results. That part is very correct in your interpretation. Now if any other planet is SD to Ve then it will give results in its antra. [And not inside Ve antra. There is nothing like giving results by any other planet inside some other planet]. Hope I have cleared your doubt. Thanks Prabha , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004 wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > > Thank You for your kind reply. I have been looking at the charts in the archives, however even so questions do arise. I am not asking for hand me outs only clarifications. As I said I am going through the archives carefully and slowly and sometimes what is written is not always explained clearly to me at least, but I am working on it. I may ask questions that may seem that I should already know, because sometimes I confusion arises. I sincerely want to learn KAS and have faith in it I feel that slowly I am understanding it better. > I feel you are right in that if a group of us can spar about charts would be beneficial I would really like to be a part of this. This will definitely hep me very much. Sometimes it helps just to talk it out or even just put our thoughts down here right or wrong and be guided. > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > > , " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Shalini ji, > > > > There are many charts that come on this list. You can practice on those > > charts and apply to learn these things. > > > > I have given some charts and so has Anup ji to the list for practice. You > > can start to solve those charts and learn otherwise explaining the same > > theory again and again is of no use. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of shalini3004 > > Wednesday August 26, 2009 6:52 PM > > > > Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls > > > > > > Dear Anup Ji, > > > > Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am > > understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting > > incorrectly. > > > > Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the > > event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of > > it's sight on these house. " > > > > Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if > > it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is > > not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I > > gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then > > Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD > > and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA > > can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points > > for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? > > > > Thank You, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > <%40> , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > > Its quite simple. > > > > > > > > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > > > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's > > sight > > > on these house. > > > > > > > > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > > > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > > > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > > > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > Hope its clear now. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@> > > > Sub Period- Guide Pls > > > > > <%40> > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > > > > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need > > some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event > > the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function > > or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result > > in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can > > give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is > > functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give > > marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE > > (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for > > marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or > > LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus > > without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of > > result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting > > A-B-C is > > > this correct? > > > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not > > itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear > > members can guide me on this. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out > > Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Dear Anup Ji, I appreciate your patience. Thank you for your post. I have re-read this post and as you and Ash Ji have said the more I apply these laws the familiar I will become. A SD planet cannot give the result within an antara that is already running, like in a venus antara if it is SD to Saturn. Saturn cannot give the result in venus sub, correct. However, when saturn antara comes then the result can be given. Anup ji am I going in the right direction with this. I am sorry for not understanding this clealy, but I feel this is very important to know. Again thank you for your patience. Thank You, Shalini , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > > Dear Shalini ji, >  >  > Yes,you are right. >  > Sa and Ve are natural samdharmi also.So these both can > step in for each other even if they are not functional SD to > each other.Here points are not considered as you are saying. >  > Please read the following mail which Guruji explained on 16th aug 2008 > in Kas Parvin.This is an eye opener for all who wants to study like you > about samdharmi relatioship. >  >  >  >  > Dear Students, > here is another lesson >  >  >  > 1.         Samdharmi and their relationships > > 1.1      What does 'Samdharmi' mean? >  > The word " Samdharmi " means " same law, same custom or same peculiarity " . When two planets are said to be Samdharmi, they follow the same law or custom.. Samdharmi planets are those planets that behave similarly and are capable of bringing forth the results for the other planet. >  > There are two types of Samdharmi †" >  > > Natural Samdharmi > Functional Samdharmi >  > 1.2      What are Natural Samdharmis? >  > Venus and Saturn, Mars and Sun, Mars and Moon are known as Natural Samdharmis (see Fig.36 below). If any of these planets are powerful significators for an event and the other one gets a chance, it will step in to give the result. Results are generally given in the sub period of the planet, but it is not required that these planets should be functional samdharmi. >  > Fig.36 †" Natural Samdharmis †" southern and northern chart views >  > >  > Only when two planets are located in their opposite signs, which would give them a 1:7 relationship and if one of those planets has a minimum of 4 points or more, which gives results on both sides, will the other planet not act as a samdharmi. In this case it is not vice versa. >  >  > For example, we know that Venus and Saturn are Natural Samdharmi to each other. Let's place them in opposite signs from one another in the chart. Venus has 5 points while Saturn has 3 points. Any two planets when they are in a 1:7 relationship have some enmity towards each other. The planet with more than 4 points will not cooperate with the other planet having less than 3 points. In this case, Venus will not accept support from Saturn, preventing Saturn from acting as Samdharmi towards Venus. But if Saturn is a strong significator, then Venus can give the result. Any planets with 4 points exactly are said to be neutral. When it is linked to a Samdharmi planet however, it refuses to accept help and in this case, Venus will not get substituted by Saturn. >  > Similarly, when Venus is in the nakshatra of the Krittika constellation, or 43 degrees away from the Sun or nearer to the Sun within 3 degrees (combust), it will not accept help from Saturn, allowing it to act as Samdharmi for it. Venus in the above conditions gives a malefic result instead. When Venus is in the Sun's constellation it also gets its power reduced. In Krittika, it loses all of its natural properties. >  >  > 1.3      What are Functional Samdharmis? >  > In the following situations, two planets are considered to be Functional Samdharmi in this order of significance, number one being the most important and number 4 being the least important. >  > 1)   When one planet has fewer points (less than 4) and it is placed in the tenth house from any other planet it is considered to be a functional samdharmi. For example, in Fig.36, Planet 'B' has less than 4 points and Planet 'A' is placed in the fourth house from it with more than 4 points. Planet 'A' must have more points than B in order to become Samdharmi to B. So if the sub period of B comes around and Planet A happens to come first, it can still represent B. If B is a powerful significator and the sub period of A comes first before B, Plant B still rules over Planet A because A is only representing B as a substitute or " stand-in " . This is known in KAS as " The Tenth House Theory " . >  > 2)   When two planets are in the same sign, they can be samdharmi. >  > 3)   When two planets are in the same constellation, they can be samdharmi. >  > 4)   When two planets are in the same Navamsha, they are samdharmi to each other. This however is the lowest level of samdharmi >  > 5)   A Planet is samdharmi to the Navamsha lord where it is deposited. >  > This means that if two planets are samdharmi to another planet, then they will act accordingly in the above sequence from the highest level to the lowest level of strength. >  >  >  >  > Fig.36 †" The Tenth House Theory >  >  > >  >  > (If, in the above case, planet 'A' had less points then 'B', then planet 'A' would behave in a reverse way and might give adverse results if it didn't receive more than 12 points in its final tally, as indicated in the worksheet.) >  >  > Sloka 6: > There is a reference in Saravali regarding two planets in Kendras (angle houses †" 1, 4, 7, 10), becoming mutual significators. We have a similar law in this system also. >  > Saravali Chapter 6 sloka - 1, 2 and 3: >  > Swarkshatrikonntund astha  yadi  kendreshu  sansthitaI >   Anyonyam  karakste  syu:  kendreshvev  harermtamII 1II >  >                     Ravitanyo  jookstha:  kulirlagne  bruhaspatihimanshuI >                     Meshe  kujo  raviyut:  pararsparm  karaka  ete  II2II >  >      Tungsuhrutkhgruhnas he stitha gruha: karaka: samakhyata:I >         Meshurane   ch   raviriti   visheshto   vakti    chanakya: II 3II >  >  > MEANING: When two planets are in a Kendra and are exalted or own the house they are in, they become mutual karakas or significators. In the above sloka, Acharya Vishnugupt says that this happens only with respect to Kendras. One example, (as illustrated in Fig.37) for the Cancer lagna is given, with Saturn in Libra, the Moon and Jupiter in the lagna, Sun and Mars in Aries. In this case, all of them became mutual karakas. Similarly, some authors say that planets that are mutually angular though not necessarily from the ascendant are also mutual significators. For our purposes, when two planets are exalted or own the Kendra house they are in, making them mutual karakas, this is also a phenomenon that we use in this system. >  >    > Fig.37 †" Example of Mutual Karakas in Kendras from Sloka 6 >  > >  >  > 1.4      How Samdharmi Planets Act >  > 1)   Samdharmi planets generally act for benefic results only. For malefic results, they will NOT come forward. Death however, is an exceptional event. Although we usually view it as a bad event, it is experienced in the sub of a powerful significator for the 8th house. Therefore, death may be a possible event in the sub period of a Samdharmi planet. >  > 2)   Rahu and Ketu represents to the lord of the sign and the lord of the constellation in which they are located. For example, if Rahu is in 15 degrees of Cancer, then it is in the sign of the Moon, and in the Nakshatra of Pushya, which is the sector that covers 3 deg. 20 min. †" 16 deg. 40 min. of the sign Cancer and is ruled by Saturn. So Rahu will represent to the Moon and Saturn. It can give benefic results in its sub period but only when the Moon and Saturn are both receiving more than 12 points. Same way Rahu will be samdharmi to the navmansha lord (lord of the navmansha where Rahu or ketu are located in navmansha) .  >  > 3)   The Samdharmi planets can give the results of each other as illustrated in Figure 38. Suppose Planet 'X' and 'Y' are samdharmi and powerful. Let Planet 'X' be the stronger Significator for any event of the life and is also having its sight on one of the signifying houses. In such a case, the result will be experienced in the sub period of 'Y'. If 'X' is the stronger significator and 'Y' is also the 2nd or the 3rd strongest significator, in this case also, if the sub period of 'Y' is earlier, results may be experienced. >  > Fig.38 †" Samdharmi Example >  > >  >  >  > 4)   In Fig.39 below, Planet X is in the same sign as Planet Z in the rasi chart below and Y is in the same Navamsha sign as Z is in its rasi chart. Here we can say that planets X and Y are BOTH Samdharmi to Planet Z except X will be stronger due to its placement in the rasi chart as it sits alongside of Planet Z and its effect will be felt much stronger more in the subperiod of Z than Y will. >  > Fig.39 †" Samdharmi in Rasi and Navamsha >  > >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > 5)   Generally, Samdharmi planets should have at least 12 points. Then and only then, will it act as Samdharmi. (see Fig.40). >  >  > Fig. 40 †" Samdharmi Planets and the point minimum it needs to be effective >  > >  >  > 6)   Samdharmi planets come forward only in the event that a powerful significator is unable to give the result, OR - > ·        if the sub of a powerful planet is farther away and the samdharmi planet corresponds to the proper age for that event, OR - > ·        if the event is indicated as delayed, then even if the powerful planet's sub period is earlier, the result will not be experienced and in such a case, the samdharmi will come forward to act in its place. >  > 7)   Jupiter in Libra loses its good qualities and acts as a malefic instead. This is generally experienced when considering the qualities of marriage. If Jupiter in this case is Samdharmi to any planet, it may give the results, but the results will be troublesome. >  > 8)   If any planet is the sixth lord, it will not act as Samdharmi to any planet. The exception to this rule comes when we place the House B focus for the result on the 1st or the 9th house. >  > 9)   If any planet gets points that were given to the sixth lord which may be due to a 4:10 house pattern or by sight, it will not act as Samdharmi. >  > 10)  Similar treatment should be given for the 12th lord from B meaning that if any  planet gives points to the 12th lord from B, it will not act as Samdharmi. >  >  > 11)  Suppose we are considering the result of a 10th house focus (B). Then, if any planet becomes powerful due to the 9th lord being in the 4th place from it, such planets will not act as a significator. (needs to be reworded, sounds confusing) >  > 12)  If a Samdharmi planet is placed in the 12th house from B, it will not give good results. >  > 13)   If a Samdharmi planet is placed in either the A, B or C houses, it will give better results. >  > 14)  We consider the sight of a powerful significator for not giving the results, but for Samdharmi planets, this does not apply.. >  > 15)  Suppose X and Z are Samdharmi planets. For any house, let's say that X is a powerful significator. Z will not interfere until X finds itself unable to give results, in accordance to the rules of point #6. >  > 16)  Samdharmi planets may come forward without any reason if it is also the powerful Samdharmi to the lord of either the D or E houses. >  > krushna 15th Aug 2008 2nd >  >  >  >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >  > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004 > Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:22 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Anup Ji, > > Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting incorrectly. > > Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house. " > > Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > >  > >  > > Its quite simple. > >  > >  > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight > > on these house. > >  > >  > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > >  > >  > > Hope its clear now. > >  > >  > > Regards > > Anup > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> > > [astrologyandtiming events] Sub Period- Guide Pls > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is > > this correct? > > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. 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Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Dear Prabha Ji, Thank You this is what I was trying to understand and express. Thank you for clearing this up. I thought this then something else I read made me confused, which is why I posed the question here. Thank You, Shalini , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji > Ve if as a event giving planet is aspecting houses A, B, C cannot give results. That part is very correct in your interpretation. Now if any other planet is SD to Ve then it will give results in its antra. [And not inside Ve antra. There is nothing like giving results by any other planet inside some other planet]. > Hope I have cleared your doubt. > Thanks > Prabha > , " shalini3004 " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > Thank You for your kind reply. I have been looking at the charts in the archives, however even so questions do arise. I am not asking for hand me outs only clarifications. As I said I am going through the archives carefully and slowly and sometimes what is written is not always explained clearly to me at least, but I am working on it. I may ask questions that may seem that I should already know, because sometimes I confusion arises. I sincerely want to learn KAS and have faith in it I feel that slowly I am understanding it better. > > I feel you are right in that if a group of us can spar about charts would be beneficial I would really like to be a part of this. This will definitely hep me very much. Sometimes it helps just to talk it out or even just put our thoughts down here right or wrong and be guided. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > , " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Shalini ji, > > > > > > There are many charts that come on this list. You can practice on those > > > charts and apply to learn these things. > > > > > > I have given some charts and so has Anup ji to the list for practice. You > > > can start to solve those charts and learn otherwise explaining the same > > > theory again and again is of no use. > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of shalini3004 > > > Wednesday August 26, 2009 6:52 PM > > > > > > Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls > > > > > > > > > Dear Anup Ji, > > > > > > Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am > > > understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting > > > incorrectly. > > > > > > Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the > > > event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of > > > it's sight on these house. " > > > > > > Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if > > > it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is > > > not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I > > > gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then > > > Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD > > > and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA > > > can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points > > > for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Its quite simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > > > > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's > > > sight > > > > on these house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > > > > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > > > > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > > > > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope its clear now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@> > > > > Sub Period- Guide Pls > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > > > > > > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need > > > some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event > > > the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function > > > or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result > > > in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can > > > give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is > > > functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give > > > marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE > > > (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for > > > marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or > > > LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus > > > without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of > > > result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting > > > A-B-C is > > > > this correct? > > > > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not > > > itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear > > > members can guide me on this. > > > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out > > > Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, I think you are not getting it properly or stuck somehwhere for the time being.Its not a big issue and practise will make you perfect thats not a problem. Just send the chart for which you are confused for the samdharmi part. I think this way you can get it step by step and it will come into your mind next time you solve any chart. Remember,this is very important portion before proceeding to timing of event.What are natural and functional samdharmi and how these act and become substitute for other,is a crucial excercise. So keep asking and practising. Regards Anup --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: shalini3004 <shalini3004 Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 10:22 AM Dear Anup Ji,I appreciate your patience. Thank you for your post. I have re-read this post and as you and Ash Ji have said the more I apply these laws the familiar I will become. A SD planet cannot give the result within an antara that is already running, like in a venus antara if it is SD to Saturn. Saturn cannot give the result in venus sub, correct. However, when saturn antara comes then the result can be given. Anup ji am I going in the right direction with this. I am sorry for not understanding this clealy, but I feel this is very important to know. Again thank you for your patience. Thank You,Shaliniastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:>> > Dear Shalini ji,>  >  > Yes,you are right.>  > Sa and Ve are natural samdharmi also.So these both can> step in for each other even if they are not functional SD to> each other.Here points are not considered as you are saying.>  > Please read the following mail which Guruji explained on 16th aug 2008 > in Kas Parvin.This is an eye opener for all who wants to study like you> about samdharmi relatioship.>  >  >  >  > Dear Students,> here is another lesson>  >  >  > 1.         Samdharmi and their relationships> > 1.1      What does 'Samdharmi' mean?>  > The word "Samdharmi" means "same law, same custom or same peculiarity" . When two planets are said to be Samdharmi, they follow the same law or custom.. Samdharmi planets are those planets that behave similarly and are capable of bringing forth the results for the other planet. >  > There are two types of Samdharmi â€" >  > > Natural Samdharmi > Functional Samdharmi>  > 1.2      What are Natural Samdharmis?>  > Venus and Saturn, Mars and Sun, Mars and Moon are known as Natural Samdharmis (see Fig.36 below). If any of these planets are powerful significators for an event and the other one gets a chance, it will step in to give the result. Results are generally given in the sub period of the planet, but it is not required that these planets should be functional samdharmi.>  > Fig.36 â€" Natural Samdharmis â€" southern and northern chart views>  > >  > Only when two planets are located in their opposite signs, which would give them a 1:7 relationship and if one of those planets has a minimum of 4 points or more, which gives results on both sides, will the other planet not act as a samdharmi. In this case it is not vice versa.>  >  > For example, we know that Venus and Saturn are Natural Samdharmi to each other. Let's place them in opposite signs from one another in the chart. Venus has 5 points while Saturn has 3 points.. Any two planets when they are in a 1:7 relationship have some enmity towards each other. The planet with more than 4 points will not cooperate with the other planet having less than 3 points. In this case, Venus will not accept support from Saturn, preventing Saturn from acting as Samdharmi towards Venus. But if Saturn is a strong significator, then Venus can give the result. Any planets with 4 points exactly are said to be neutral. When it is linked to a Samdharmi planet however, it refuses to accept help and in this case, Venus will not get substituted by Saturn.>  > Similarly, when Venus is in the nakshatra of the Krittika constellation, or 43 degrees away from the Sun or nearer to the Sun within 3 degrees (combust), it will not accept help from Saturn, allowing it to act as Samdharmi for it. Venus in the above conditions gives a malefic result instead. When Venus is in the Sun's constellation it also gets its power reduced. In Krittika, it loses all of its natural properties.>  >  > 1.3      What are Functional Samdharmis?>  > In the following situations, two planets are considered to be Functional Samdharmi in this order of significance, number one being the most important and number 4 being the least important.>  > 1)   When one planet has fewer points (less than 4) and it is placed in the tenth house from any other planet it is considered to be a functional samdharmi. For example, in Fig.36, Planet 'B' has less than 4 points and Planet 'A' is placed in the fourth house from it with more than 4 points. Planet 'A' must have more points than B in order to become Samdharmi to B. So if the sub period of B comes around and Planet A happens to come first, it can still represent B. If B is a powerful significator and the sub period of A comes first before B, Plant B still rules over Planet A because A is only representing B as a substitute or "stand-in". This is known in KAS as "The Tenth House Theory".>  > 2)   When two planets are in the same sign, they can be samdharmi. >  > 3)   When two planets are in the same constellation, they can be samdharmi.>  > 4)   When two planets are in the same Navamsha, they are samdharmi to each other. This however is the lowest level of samdharmi>  > 5)   A Planet is samdharmi to the Navamsha lord where it is deposited.>  > This means that if two planets are samdharmi to another planet, then they will act accordingly in the above sequence from the highest level to the lowest level of strength.>  >  >  >  > Fig.36 â€" The Tenth House Theory>  >  > >  >  > (If, in the above case, planet 'A' had less points then 'B', then planet 'A' would behave in a reverse way and might give adverse results if it didn't receive more than 12 points in its final tally, as indicated in the worksheet.)>  >  > Sloka 6:> There is a reference in Saravali regarding two planets in Kendras (angle houses â€" 1, 4, 7, 10), becoming mutual significators. We have a similar law in this system also. >  > Saravali Chapter 6 sloka - 1, 2 and 3: >  > Swarkshatrikonntund astha  yadi  kendreshu  sansthitaI>   Anyonyam  karakste  syu:  kendreshvev  harermtamII 1II>  >                     Ravitanyo  jookstha:  kulirlagne  bruhaspatihimanshuI>                     Meshe  kujo  raviyut:  pararsparm  karaka  ete  II2II>  >      Tungsuhrutkhgruhnas he stitha gruha: karaka: samakhyata:I>         Meshurane   ch   raviriti   visheshto   vakti    chanakya: II 3II>  >  > MEANING: When two planets are in a Kendra and are exalted or own the house they are in, they become mutual karakas or significators. In the above sloka, Acharya Vishnugupt says that this happens only with respect to Kendras. One example, (as illustrated in Fig.37) for the Cancer lagna is given, with Saturn in Libra, the Moon and Jupiter in the lagna, Sun and Mars in Aries. In this case, all of them became mutual karakas. Similarly, some authors say that planets that are mutually angular though not necessarily from the ascendant are also mutual significators. For our purposes, when two planets are exalted or own the Kendra house they are in, making them mutual karakas, this is also a phenomenon that we use in this system. >  >    > Fig.37 â€" Example of Mutual Karakas in Kendras from Sloka 6>  > >  >  > 1.4      How Samdharmi Planets Act>  > 1)   Samdharmi planets generally act for benefic results only. For malefic results, they will NOT come forward. Death however, is an exceptional event. Although we usually view it as a bad event, it is experienced in the sub of a powerful significator for the 8th house. Therefore, death may be a possible event in the sub period of a Samdharmi planet.>  > 2)   Rahu and Ketu represents to the lord of the sign and the lord of the constellation in which they are located. For example, if Rahu is in 15 degrees of Cancer, then it is in the sign of the Moon, and in the Nakshatra of Pushya, which is the sector that covers 3 deg. 20 min. â€" 16 deg. 40 min. of the sign Cancer and is ruled by Saturn. So Rahu will represent to the Moon and Saturn. It can give benefic results in its sub period but only when the Moon and Saturn are both receiving more than 12 points. Same way Rahu will be samdharmi to the navmansha lord (lord of the navmansha where Rahu or ketu are located in navmansha) .  >  > 3)   The Samdharmi planets can give the results of each other as illustrated in Figure 38. Suppose Planet 'X' and 'Y' are samdharmi and powerful. Let Planet 'X' be the stronger Significator for any event of the life and is also having its sight on one of the signifying houses. In such a case, the result will be experienced in the sub period of 'Y'. If 'X' is the stronger significator and 'Y' is also the 2nd or the 3rd strongest significator, in this case also, if the sub period of 'Y' is earlier, results may be experienced. >  > Fig.38 â€" Samdharmi Example>  > >  >  >  > 4)   In Fig.39 below, Planet X is in the same sign as Planet Z in the rasi chart below and Y is in the same Navamsha sign as Z is in its rasi chart. Here we can say that planets X and Y are BOTH Samdharmi to Planet Z except X will be stronger due to its placement in the rasi chart as it sits alongside of Planet Z and its effect will be felt much stronger more in the subperiod of Z than Y will.>  > Fig.39 â€" Samdharmi in Rasi and Navamsha>  > >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > 5)   Generally, Samdharmi planets should have at least 12 points. Then and only then, will it act as Samdharmi. (see Fig.40).>  >  > Fig. 40 â€" Samdharmi Planets and the point minimum it needs to be effective>  > >  >  > 6)   Samdharmi planets come forward only in the event that a powerful significator is unable to give the result, OR -> ·        if the sub of a powerful planet is farther away and the samdharmi planet corresponds to the proper age for that event, OR -> ·        if the event is indicated as delayed, then even if the powerful planet's sub period is earlier, the result will not be experienced and in such a case, the samdharmi will come forward to act in its place.>  > 7)   Jupiter in Libra loses its good qualities and acts as a malefic instead. This is generally experienced when considering the qualities of marriage. If Jupiter in this case is Samdharmi to any planet, it may give the results, but the results will be troublesome.>  > 8)   If any planet is the sixth lord, it will not act as Samdharmi to any planet. The exception to this rule comes when we place the House B focus for the result on the 1st or the 9th house.>  > 9)   If any planet gets points that were given to the sixth lord which may be due to a 4:10 house pattern or by sight, it will not act as Samdharmi.>  > 10)  Similar treatment should be given for the 12th lord from B meaning that if any  planet gives points to the 12th lord from B, it will not act as Samdharmi.>  >  > 11)  Suppose we are considering the result of a 10th house focus (B). Then, if any planet becomes powerful due to the 9th lord being in the 4th place from it, such planets will not act as a significator. (needs to be reworded, sounds confusing)>  > 12)  If a Samdharmi planet is placed in the 12th house from B, it will not give good results.>  > 13)   If a Samdharmi planet is placed in either the A, B or C houses, it will give better results.>  > 14)  We consider the sight of a powerful significator for not giving the results, but for Samdharmi planets, this does not apply..>  > 15)  Suppose X and Z are Samdharmi planets. For any house, let's say that X is a powerful significator. Z will not interfere until X finds itself unable to give results, in accordance to the rules of point #6.>  > 16)  Samdharmi planets may come forward without any reason if it is also the powerful Samdharmi to the lord of either the D or E houses..>  > krushna 15th Aug 2008 2nd>  >  >  >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~ >  > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> wrote:> > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...>> [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:22 AM> > >  > > > > Dear Anup Ji,> > Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting incorrectly. > > Anup Ji: "When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house."> > Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? > > Thank You,> > Shalini > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "Anup. M" <dalh_1@> wrote:> >> > Dear Shalini ji,> >  > >  > > Its quite simple.> >  > >  > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event> > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight > > on these house.> >  > >  > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have> > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets> > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again> > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord.> >  > >  > > Hope its clear now.> >  > >  > > Regards> > Anup> >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...>> > [astrologyandtiming events] Sub Period- Guide Pls> > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members,> > > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C is> > this correct? > > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. > > > > Thank You,> > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Dear Anup Ji, I apologize for the delay in my response and thank you for your kind words of encouragement. On Donna Ji's site there is a chart in the KAS charts for study section in timing marriage that Ash Ji has solved. In this chart the 6th lord has given the result for marriage and happens to be the planet that gives the less points for 7H and aspects HC. Ash Ji has given the reason for this as there is disharmony in marriage Jupiter is in libra in D-9 among other things. I was confused when I saw that this chart gave in a sub-period that aspected HC. However, the charts that I have had a chance to so far look through in the archives are not so, either the result happens if the sub-period lord is also LOD or LOE that has aspected A-B-C. Yes, I agree that with more practice things will become more clearer. Thank You, Shalini , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, >  >  > I think you are not getting it properly or stuck somehwhere for > the time being.Its not a big issue and practise will make you perfect > thats not a problem. >  >  > Just send the chart for which you are confused for the samdharmi part. > I think this way you can get it step by step and it will come into your > mind next time you solve any chart. >  >  > Remember,this is very important portion before proceeding to timing of > event.What are natural and functional samdharmi and how these act > and become substitute for other,is a crucial excercise. >  > So keep asking and practising. >  >  > Regards > Anup >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004 wrote: > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004 > Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 10:22 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Anup Ji, > > I appreciate your patience. Thank you for your post. I have re-read this post and as you and Ash Ji have said the more I apply these laws the familiar I will become. > > A SD planet cannot give the result within an antara that is already running, like in a venus antara if it is SD to Saturn. Saturn cannot give the result in venus sub, correct. However, when saturn antara comes then the result can be given. Anup ji am I going in the right direction with this. I am sorry for not understanding this clealy, but I feel this is very important to know. Again thank you for your patience. > > Thank You, > > Shalini > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > >  > >  > > Yes,you are right. > >  > > Sa and Ve are natural samdharmi also.So these both can > > step in for each other even if they are not functional SD to > > each other.Here points are not considered as you are saying. > >  > > Please read the following mail which Guruji explained on 16th aug 2008 > > in Kas Parvin.This is an eye opener for all who wants to study like you > > about samdharmi relatioship. > >  > >  > >  > >  > > Dear Students, > > here is another lesson > >  > >  > >  > > 1.         Samdharmi and their relationships > > > > 1.1      What does 'Samdharmi' mean? > >  > > The word " Samdharmi " means " same law, same custom or same peculiarity " . When two planets are said to be Samdharmi, they follow the same law or custom.. Samdharmi planets are those planets that behave similarly and are capable of bringing forth the results for the other planet. > >  > > There are two types of Samdharmi †" > >  > > > > Natural Samdharmi > > Functional Samdharmi > >  > > 1.2      What are Natural Samdharmis? > >  > > Venus and Saturn, Mars and Sun, Mars and Moon are known as Natural Samdharmis (see Fig.36 below). If any of these planets are powerful significators for an event and the other one gets a chance, it will step in to give the result. Results are generally given in the sub period of the planet, but it is not required that these planets should be functional samdharmi. > >  > > Fig.36 †" Natural Samdharmis †" southern and northern chart views > >  > > > >  > > Only when two planets are located in their opposite signs, which would give them a 1:7 relationship and if one of those planets has a minimum of 4 points or more, which gives results on both sides, will the other planet not act as a samdharmi. In this case it is not vice versa. > >  > >  > > For example, we know that Venus and Saturn are Natural Samdharmi to each other. Let's place them in opposite signs from one another in the chart. Venus has 5 points while Saturn has 3 points. Any two planets when they are in a 1:7 relationship have some enmity towards each other. The planet with more than 4 points will not cooperate with the other planet having less than 3 points. In this case, Venus will not accept support from Saturn, preventing Saturn from acting as Samdharmi towards Venus. But if Saturn is a strong significator, then Venus can give the result. Any planets with 4 points exactly are said to be neutral. When it is linked to a Samdharmi planet however, it refuses to accept help and in this case, Venus will not get substituted by Saturn. > >  > > Similarly, when Venus is in the nakshatra of the Krittika constellation, or 43 degrees away from the Sun or nearer to the Sun within 3 degrees (combust), it will not accept help from Saturn, allowing it to act as Samdharmi for it. Venus in the above conditions gives a malefic result instead. When Venus is in the Sun's constellation it also gets its power reduced. In Krittika, it loses all of its natural properties. > >  > >  > > 1.3      What are Functional Samdharmis? > >  > > In the following situations, two planets are considered to be Functional Samdharmi in this order of significance, number one being the most important and number 4 being the least important. > >  > > 1)   When one planet has fewer points (less than 4) and it is placed in the tenth house from any other planet it is considered to be a functional samdharmi. For example, in Fig.36, Planet 'B' has less than 4 points and Planet 'A' is placed in the fourth house from it with more than 4 points. Planet 'A' must have more points than B in order to become Samdharmi to B. So if the sub period of B comes around and Planet A happens to come first, it can still represent B. If B is a powerful significator and the sub period of A comes first before B, Plant B still rules over Planet A because A is only representing B as a substitute or " stand-in " . This is known in KAS as " The Tenth House Theory " . > >  > > 2)   When two planets are in the same sign, they can be samdharmi. > >  > > 3)   When two planets are in the same constellation, they can be samdharmi. > >  > > 4)   When two planets are in the same Navamsha, they are samdharmi to each other. This however is the lowest level of samdharmi > >  > > 5)   A Planet is samdharmi to the Navamsha lord where it is deposited. > >  > > This means that if two planets are samdharmi to another planet, then they will act accordingly in the above sequence from the highest level to the lowest level of strength. > >  > >  > >  > >  > > Fig.36 †" The Tenth House Theory > >  > >  > > > >  > >  > > (If, in the above case, planet 'A' had less points then 'B', then planet 'A' would behave in a reverse way and might give adverse results if it didn't receive more than 12 points in its final tally, as indicated in the worksheet.) > >  > >  > > Sloka 6: > > There is a reference in Saravali regarding two planets in Kendras (angle houses †" 1, 4, 7, 10), becoming mutual significators. We have a similar law in this system also. > >  > > Saravali Chapter 6 sloka - 1, 2 and 3: > >  > > Swarkshatrikonntund astha  yadi  kendreshu  sansthitaI > >   Anyonyam  karakste  syu:  kendreshvev  harermtamII 1II > >  > >                     Ravitanyo  jookstha:  kulirlagne  bruhaspatihimanshuI > >                     Meshe  kujo  raviyut:  pararsparm  karaka  ete  II2II > >  > >      Tungsuhrutkhgruhnas he stitha gruha: karaka: samakhyata:I > >         Meshurane   ch   raviriti   visheshto   vakti    chanakya: II 3II > >  > >  > > MEANING: When two planets are in a Kendra and are exalted or own the house they are in, they become mutual karakas or significators. In the above sloka, Acharya Vishnugupt says that this happens only with respect to Kendras.. One example, (as illustrated in Fig.37) for the Cancer lagna is given, with Saturn in Libra, the Moon and Jupiter in the lagna, Sun and Mars in Aries. In this case, all of them became mutual karakas. Similarly, some authors say that planets that are mutually angular though not necessarily from the ascendant are also mutual significators. For our purposes, when two planets are exalted or own the Kendra house they are in, making them mutual karakas, this is also a phenomenon that we use in this system. > >  > >    > > Fig.37 †" Example of Mutual Karakas in Kendras from Sloka 6 > >  > > > >  > >  > > 1.4      How Samdharmi Planets Act > >  > > 1)   Samdharmi planets generally act for benefic results only. For malefic results, they will NOT come forward. Death however, is an exceptional event. Although we usually view it as a bad event, it is experienced in the sub of a powerful significator for the 8th house. Therefore, death may be a possible event in the sub period of a Samdharmi planet. > >  > > 2)   Rahu and Ketu represents to the lord of the sign and the lord of the constellation in which they are located. For example, if Rahu is in 15 degrees of Cancer, then it is in the sign of the Moon, and in the Nakshatra of Pushya, which is the sector that covers 3 deg. 20 min. †" 16 deg. 40 min. of the sign Cancer and is ruled by Saturn. So Rahu will represent to the Moon and Saturn. It can give benefic results in its sub period but only when the Moon and Saturn are both receiving more than 12 points. Same way Rahu will be samdharmi to the navmansha lord (lord of the navmansha where Rahu or ketu are located in navmansha) .  > >  > > 3)   The Samdharmi planets can give the results of each other as illustrated in Figure 38. Suppose Planet 'X' and 'Y' are samdharmi and powerful. Let Planet 'X' be the stronger Significator for any event of the life and is also having its sight on one of the signifying houses. In such a case, the result will be experienced in the sub period of 'Y'. If 'X' is the stronger significator and 'Y' is also the 2nd or the 3rd strongest significator, in this case also, if the sub period of 'Y' is earlier, results may be experienced. > >  > > Fig.38 †" Samdharmi Example > >  > > > >  > >  > >  > > 4)   In Fig.39 below, Planet X is in the same sign as Planet Z in the rasi chart below and Y is in the same Navamsha sign as Z is in its rasi chart. Here we can say that planets X and Y are BOTH Samdharmi to Planet Z except X will be stronger due to its placement in the rasi chart as it sits alongside of Planet Z and its effect will be felt much stronger more in the subperiod of Z than Y will. > >  > > Fig.39 †" Samdharmi in Rasi and Navamsha > >  > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > 5)   Generally, Samdharmi planets should have at least 12 points. Then and only then, will it act as Samdharmi. (see Fig.40). > >  > >  > > Fig. 40 †" Samdharmi Planets and the point minimum it needs to be effective > >  > > > >  > >  > > 6)   Samdharmi planets come forward only in the event that a powerful significator is unable to give the result, OR - > > ·        if the sub of a powerful planet is farther away and the samdharmi planet corresponds to the proper age for that event, OR - > > ·        if the event is indicated as delayed, then even if the powerful planet's sub period is earlier, the result will not be experienced and in such a case, the samdharmi will come forward to act in its place. > >  > > 7)   Jupiter in Libra loses its good qualities and acts as a malefic instead. This is generally experienced when considering the qualities of marriage. If Jupiter in this case is Samdharmi to any planet, it may give the results, but the results will be troublesome.. > >  > > 8)   If any planet is the sixth lord, it will not act as Samdharmi to any planet. The exception to this rule comes when we place the House B focus for the result on the 1st or the 9th house.. > >  > > 9)   If any planet gets points that were given to the sixth lord which may be due to a 4:10 house pattern or by sight, it will not act as Samdharmi. > >  > > 10)  Similar treatment should be given for the 12th lord from B meaning that if any  planet gives points to the 12th lord from B, it will not act as Samdharmi. > >  > >  > > 11)  Suppose we are considering the result of a 10th house focus (B). Then, if any planet becomes powerful due to the 9th lord being in the 4th place from it, such planets will not act as a significator. (needs to be reworded, sounds confusing) > >  > > 12)  If a Samdharmi planet is placed in the 12th house from B, it will not give good results. > >  > > 13)   If a Samdharmi planet is placed in either the A, B or C houses, it will give better results. > >  > > 14)  We consider the sight of a powerful significator for not giving the results, but for Samdharmi planets, this does not apply.. > >  > > 15)  Suppose X and Z are Samdharmi planets. For any house, let's say that X is a powerful significator. Z will not interfere until X finds itself unable to give results, in accordance to the rules of point #6. > >  > > 16)  Samdharmi planets may come forward without any reason if it is also the powerful Samdharmi to the lord of either the D or E houses. > >  > > krushna 15th Aug 2008 2nd > >  > >  > >  > >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~ > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> > > [astrologyandtiming events] Re: Sub Period- Guide Pls > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:22 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Anup Ji, > > > > Yes, Anup Ji your explanation does help, I would like to just write how I am understanding it and then you can further clarify if I am interpreting incorrectly. > > > > Anup Ji: " When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight on these house. " > > > > Just to be clear that I am understanding this correctly; within an antara if it aspects A,B or C it cannot give however, its SD can give provided it is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. For the example I gave if venus is antara and if it is SD to JU or MO (LoD or LoE) then Jupiter or Moon can give the result in the Venus antara because they are LoD and LoE and are eager to furnish results. However, if Venus is SD to Sa, SA can give provided Saturn is not connected to 6L and has more than 20 points for HB. Am I understanding this correctly? > > > > Thank You, > > > > Shalini > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " Anup. M " <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > >  > > >  > > > Its quite simple. > > >  > > >  > > > When any planet X aspect house A,B or C this can not furnish the event > > > itself.Samdharmi to planet X, say Y can give the event irrespect of it's sight > > > on these house. > > >  > > >  > > > Now next step, the strong planets can give the result, even if they have > > > sight on A,B,C houses.This is applicable only for strong planets > > > getting substantial points say more then 20 in work sheet. Again > > > those should not be afflicted by 6th lord. > > >  > > >  > > > Hope its clear now. > > >  > > >  > > > Regards > > > Anup > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > shalini3004 <shalini3004@ ...> > > > [astrologyandtiming events] Sub Period- Guide Pls > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com > > > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 12:34 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Ji, Ash Ji, Anup Ji, Prabha Ji and group members, > > > > > > I have been going through the archives slowly for the past months. I need some guidance please. From the following mail I understand that for an event the sub period should be related to karak (LOA) either by natural function or by functional. If the sub period lord aspects A-B-C it cannot give result in its sub, however a SD to the sub-lord can. Does this mean that the SD can give within this sub? For example let us say that for marriage Venus is functional and natural karaka but aspects HA, now venus cannot give marriage, is this correct? However, let us say venus is SD to LOD or LOE (Ju/Mo), then can Jupiter or Moon step in and furnish the result for marriage within the venus antara? I do understand that if Venus was LoD or LoE with its aspect on A-B-C it could still give results. Also, venus without being LoD or LoE could give results, but it is possible quality of result may not be good if the result happens in an antara that is aspecting A-B-C > is > > > this correct? > > > I am little confused about how the SD will work within a sub that is not itself LoD or LoE and aspect HA, but is SD to LoD or LoE. I hope dear members can guide me on this. > > > > > > Thank You, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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