Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Analysis (Prac-nm/1) date 02.11.09. Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 Dear Group, Let me attempt the marrige the affair part first. I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. Marriage: 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 17th Sept 2005 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. 3. Blessings : No Blessings in the chart.I think lords of 1st and 9th of D-9 are not taken for blessings consideration. Yes, lords of 1st 9th if they make 5:9 in D-9 chart then it would be called a Blessed chart. 4. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). Then also out of Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. 5. FK NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both of high power for 7th house. 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Mars 2nd sector in Moon MD (July 05 to Feb 06). 8. Now Mars has aspect on house B in both Natal and Navansh so it won’t give marriage in its marriage and will cause a delay instead. And Mars has also not got high points (desired >20). It has only 12 points so inspite of it wanting to give the result, it is not capable enough to do so. Yes, here Ma is SD of powerful LoE Moon and neither Ma nor Mo is afflicted by 6th lord. Both are NSD also. Therefore Mo may like to depute Ma to give the result of 7th house as soon as the Sa delay was over. But Ma is not powerful enough to accomplish the event. May be during its AD the lady could muster enough courage to speak to elders about her marriage but it did not eventually materialize or may be her parents set a match for her during that time, which she refused owing to being in love with someone at that time. 9. Rahu AD acts from Feb 06 to Aug 07. Ra represents Ve more and Su lesser. Ve is aspected by Rahu and has low power for 7th house. Ve is weak for 7th house and would give unhappy marriage if it took place in the AD of Rahu. One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. If unhappiness is seen in her chart then most probably she got marriage in Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). When marriage is unhappy then it is usually performed in the sub period of the significator planet which has low points. Here Ve is significator for marriage but has low points for 7th house. 10. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju casues problems for Ve. The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. Conclusion: 1. Marriage possibly during Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). 2. Should be a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. 3. Marital relations : Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Ash's Corner [kas] Monday October 26, 2009 12:18 AM To: ' ' Practice Chart Dear Group, This lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. Here is the chart 24th May 1979 4:10 AM 28N40 77E13 From what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to marry. I am not clear from her posts that if she married the same guy or not. Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. If this chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. 1) Marriage 2) Child birth 3) Marital Relations overall 4) She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and asked if she should go for divorce. 5) Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. Planet Degrees As 15 Ar 55 Su 9 Ta 31 Mo 13 Ar 48 Ma 13 Ar 8 Me 2 Ta 15 Ju 11 Cn 16 Ve 14 Ar 30 Sa 14 Le 35 Ra 20 Le 59 Ke 20 Aq 59 Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Analysis (Prac-nm/1) date 02.11.09. Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 Dear Group, Let me attempt the marrige the affair part first. I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. Marriage: 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 17th Sept 2005 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. 3. Blessings : No Blessings in the chart.I think lords of 1st and 9th of D-9 are not taken for blessings consideration. Yes, lords of 1st 9th if they make 5:9 in D-9 chart then it would be called a Blessed chart. 4. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). Then also out of Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. 5. FK NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both of high power for 7th house. 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Mars 2nd sector in Moon MD (July 05 to Feb 06). 8. Now Mars has aspect on house B in both Natal and Navansh so it won’t give marriage in its marriage and will cause a delay instead. And Mars has also not got high points (desired >20). It has only 12 points so inspite of it wanting to give the result, it is not capable enough to do so. Yes, here Ma is SD of powerful LoE Moon and neither Ma nor Mo is afflicted by 6th lord. Both are NSD also. Therefore Mo may like to depute Ma to give the result of 7th house as soon as the Sa delay was over. But Ma is not powerful enough to accomplish the event. May be during its AD the lady could muster enough courage to speak to elders about her marriage but it did not eventually materialize or may be her parents set a match for her during that time, which she refused owing to being in love with someone at that time. 9. Rahu AD acts from Feb 06 to Aug 07. Ra represents Ve more and Su lesser. Ve is aspected by Rahu and has low power for 7th house. Ve is weak for 7th house and would give unhappy marriage if it took place in the AD of Rahu. One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. If unhappiness is seen in her chart then most probably she got marriage in Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). When marriage is unhappy then it is usually performed in the sub period of the significator planet which has low points. Here Ve is significator for marriage but has low points for 7th house. 10. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju casues problems for Ve. The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. Conclusion: 1. Marriage possibly during Ra AD (Feb 06 to Aug 07). 2. Should be a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. 3. Marital relations : Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Ash's Corner [kas] Monday October 26, 2009 12:18 AM To: ' ' Practice Chart Dear Group, This lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. Here is the chart 24th Feb 1979 4:10 AM 28N40 77E13 From what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to marry. I am not clear from her posts that if she married the same guy or not. Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. If this chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. 1) Marriage 2) Child birth 3) Marital Relations overall 4) She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and asked if she should go for divorce. 5) Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. Planet Degrees As 15 Ar 55 Su 9 Ta 31 Mo 13 Ar 48 Ma 13 Ar 8 Me 2 Ta 15 Ju 11 Cn 16 Ve 14 Ar 30 Sa 14 Le 35 Ra 20 Le 59 Ke 20 Aq 59 Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 Dear Group, The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. Thanks to Ash ji ........ Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. Marriage: 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. Soon after Mo – Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. There are no zero’s in the chart. So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. Conclusion: 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Nikhlesh ji, A technical correction: Moon can never control any planet. That is why in WS we do not add power even if Mo makes 4:10 with any planet. Moon is a very gentle planet and can never boss around (4:10). I am interested to see Bella ji's thoughts, this discussion in getting excellent. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > > Analysis (Prac-nm/4) date 04.11.09. > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > Dear Bella ji, > > I thank you for your prompt mails as they have really set the ball rolling for positive discussions on the chart. > > Our seniors have already corrected us on few points which shall go a long way in our education. I feel we are all in the same class and the Masters are allowing us to discuss and and the same time keeping an eye on us (perhaps, without a cane in their hands). > > I wish to further discuss, without the fear of our Masters, the points nicely elucidated by you. > > 1. I feel that having poor marital relations does not necessarily lead to divorce. For an event like divorce to happen it is important to study the spouse’s chart also which we do not have it here. It is difficult to judge the same from chart of a single person until of course the indications are very strong. This chart does not have strong indications for divorce. > > 2. In this chart there is no doubt that marital unhappiness is seen clearly but again for the divorce to happen it would take 2 or more strong factors (Lesson 12) to have their effects on the native. > > 3. The psychology of the native would also play a significant role in stressing for a condition like divorce (more for Indian females). We see here that this lady does not have high ashtakvarg points for her 1st house. So she can never be rudely adamant. Next, the difference between points for 1st and 7th houses is negligible. So she might not be in a strong position to put her foot down on all matters concerning her spouse. Further we find that the points for houses 3,6,10, 11 are not exactly in rising order. That does not make her a person who goes hammer and tongs in all situations for all sorts of endeavors (mostly of professional kinds). > > 4. So what I visualize about her is that she would complain, she would resist, she would harp on minor issues, she would cry foul, she would want to have her way BUT having said this she would never be able to sustain (or carry on) her so called fight. Her 3rd lord is placed 12th from 3rd house reducing her courage and will power. That is what I feel when I try to study her personality from her chart. > > 5. Now see the points for her 7th houses. All planets except Venus are strong for 7th house. That generally does not indicate separation. > > 6. Now let me come to your justification factors. You said Ve is 12th from its own house (2nd house). So this will reduce the effects of the 2nd house (relationships with other people, wealth accumulation, voicing the words etc). That Ve is 12th from 2nd house does not, I think, spoil the marriage to the tune of divorce. However Ve being Karak and spoilt would cause unhappiness in marriage. There is a difference in these two facets. > > 7. The 6th lord in House A will tend to be a spoils-sport for matters related to the 2nd house as said above. Had it been in the 7th house then of course we would have said that it will hamper married life in some way. Me is not karak for marriage here. By being in 2nd house (house A) it would rather facilitate marriage, albeit in a problematic manner, owing to it being 6th lord. > > 8. You have somewhere mentioned that Sa has 8th aspect on Su in Navansh. Saturn does not have 8th aspect at all. It has only 3rd, 7th and 10th aspects. So it aspects Sun in the natal chart. Sa does not aspect Moon in this chart. > > 9. Ju, the root karak for marriage is very strong for 7th house and 12th house. Her Ju is controlled by Moon (4:10 relationship where Ju is SD to Moon). Moon represents mind and is strong for 7th house (26 points) and so she would tend to think from her mind (not from heart). That is, the root karak for marriage is controlled by mind (Moon) which is good for the 7th house (high points). So that would not lead to divorce, I think. > > > 10. This lady, according to me would have good chances of professional development, higher income during the AD of Sa (Dec 08 to July 2010). She may have opportunities to go abroad and that might be a reason for a temporary separation. I feel a foreign trip might come her way in the AD of Me. But this is not that separation for which we are discussing here. > > 11. So what I conclude is: > > > i) This chart does not comply with 2 or more parameters which indicate divorce / breakage. So that is not seen as per me. > > ii) Yes, the chart shows disputes with spouse which is resulting in unhappiness in married life. Professional reasons should be more prominent here for creating the marital disputes. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:58:50 +0530 wrote > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > I will be glad to discuss this point with you from my > viewpoint. Again please correct me if I am wrong. > > Why I see Separation or Divorce: > > First, marriage quality is very very poor from Asc, Su Mo > Ve and Ma and 7th lord relationship which is zero. I think 1:1 relationship is > similar to 2:12 She might always have disputes with spouse. > > Ve is NK and FK in 12th from it's own hs. > Me 6th Lo is in Hs A. karak for marriage. Ve is lord of > 2nd and 7thand 6th Lo being in this Hs spoils > theoverallresult. > Now this Ve is with Ma in Rasi and with Sa in navamsa > which enhances the neagtive aspect of Ve. Sa also aspects the luminaries. Sa > conjoins Mo and has the 8th aspect to Su in navamsa. > > Now with that said, Ve is not sopilt by Su/Ve distance or > Ve is not in Su nakshatra, But Ve is spoilt due to the above given reasons which > will give it's negative effect to the result, enhancing > the bad qualities. > > Ju is NRK and FRKin Li navamsa. This Ju is spoilt. > Again it is with Ra and in 2nd Hs in navamsa. > > So from this I am concluding tha if the quality is poor > and the karaks spoilt then even though the event will happen but will cause a > break or separation. > > Here is a quote from one of the messages from dear Ash > ji's email that I have saved with my reference notes. I am sorry I donot have > the message number for this but here it is: > > > " > Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as > per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is > more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects > luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by > Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in > krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and > in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or > Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th > lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th > lord in rasi or navamsa. > Then > for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if > they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce. > These > are some of the laws. " > > This was my view point on Separation or break in this > chart. > > Now Timing: > > I was seeing Sa antra because Ve being samdharmi to Sa and > also Me being 6th Lo is in 4:10 with Sa. > But, > > Thank you Nikhlesh ji, for bringing out to my attention > that samdharmi planets act for better results. > Therefore Sa antra cannot break the > relationship. > > Now, keeping that in mind, I think break could still be > possible during the antra after Sa which is Me because of Me being 6th Lo in 2nd > Hs. which is Jun 2010 - Nov 2011. > > This is what I think. Nikhlesh ji please feel free to > comment on my thoughts. > > Thank you, > -Bella. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009  Dear Nikhlesh ji, Thank you for the discussion on this chart. I have a little hectic day at work today but, I will definately get back with you as SOON as I can:) I do appreciate your inputs. They are very valuable for me to learn. There is vast knowledge hidden from our seniors and gurus in more than 20,000 plus emails. It is hard to grasp all at one time but discussion like this does help us to think more. Thanks again, -Bella. - nikhlesh mathur chandni_99 Cc: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:04 AM Re: RE: Practice Chart Analysis (Prac-nm/4) date 04.11.09.Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55Dear Bella ji,I thank you for your prompt mails as they have really set the ball rolling for positive discussions on the chart. Our seniors have already corrected us on few points which shall go a long way in our education. I feel we are all in the same class and the Masters are allowing us to discuss and and the same time keeping an eye on us (perhaps, without a cane in their hands).I wish to further discuss, without the fear of our Masters, the points nicely elucidated by you.1. I feel that having poor marital relations does not necessarily lead to divorce. For an event like divorce to happen it is important to study the spouse’s chart also which we do not have it here. It is difficult to judge the same from chart of a single person until of course the indications are very strong. This chart does not have strong indications for divorce.2. In this chart there is no doubt that marital unhappiness is seen clearly but again for the divorce to happen it would take 2 or more strong factors (Lesson 12) to have their effects on the native.3. The psychology of the native would also play a significant role in stressing for a condition like divorce (more for Indian females). We see here that this lady does not have high ashtakvarg points for her 1st house. So she can never be rudely adamant. Next, the difference between points for 1st and 7th houses is negligible. So she might not be in a strong position to put her foot down on all matters concerning her spouse. Further we find that the points for houses 3,6,10, 11 are not exactly in rising order. That does not make her a person who goes hammer and tongs in all situations for all sorts of endeavors (mostly of professional kinds). 4. So what I visualize about her is that she would complain, she would resist, she would harp on minor issues, she would cry foul, she would want to have her way BUT having said this she would never be able to sustain (or carry on) her so called fight. Her 3rd lord is placed 12th from 3rd house reducing her courage and will power. That is what I feel when I try to study her personality from her chart.5. Now see the points for her 7th houses. All planets except Venus are strong for 7th house. That generally does not indicate separation.6. Now let me come to your justification factors. You said Ve is 12th from its own house (2nd house). So this will reduce the effects of the 2nd house (relationships with other people, wealth accumulation, voicing the words etc). That Ve is 12th from 2nd house does not, I think, spoil the marriage to the tune of divorce. However Ve being Karak and spoilt would cause unhappiness in marriage. There is a difference in these two facets.7. The 6th lord in House A will tend to be a spoils-sport for matters related to the 2nd house as said above. Had it been in the 7th house then of course we would have said that it will hamper married life in some way. Me is not karak for marriage here. By being in 2nd house (house A) it would rather facilitate marriage, albeit in a problematic manner, owing to it being 6th lord.8. You have somewhere mentioned that Sa has 8th aspect on Su in Navansh. Saturn does not have 8th aspect at all. It has only 3rd, 7th and 10th aspects. So it aspects Sun in the natal chart. Sa does not aspect Moon in this chart.9. Ju, the root karak for marriage is very strong for 7th house and 12th house. Her Ju is controlled by Moon (4:10 relationship where Ju is SD to Moon). Moon represents mind and is strong for 7th house (26 points) and so she would tend to think from her mind (not from heart). That is, the root karak for marriage is controlled by mind (Moon) which is good for the 7th house (high points). So that would not lead to divorce, I think.10. This lady, according to me would have good chances of professional development, higher income during the AD of Sa (Dec 08 to July 2010). She may have opportunities to go abroad and that might be a reason for a temporary separation. I feel a foreign trip might come her way in the AD of Me. But this is not that separation for which we are discussing here.11. So what I conclude is:i) This chart does not comply with 2 or more parameters which indicate divorce / breakage. So that is not seen as per me.ii) Yes, the chart shows disputes with spouse which is resulting in unhappiness in married life. Professional reasons should be more prominent here for creating the marital disputes.Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:58:50 +0530 wrote>Dear Nikhlesh ji,I will be glad to discuss this point with you from my viewpoint. Again please correct me if I am wrong.Why I see Separation or Divorce:First, marriage quality is very very poor from Asc, Su Mo Ve and Ma and 7th lord relationship which is zero. I think 1:1 relationship is similar to 2:12 She might always have disputes with spouse.Ve is NK and FK in 12th from it's own hs. Me 6th Lo is in Hs A. karak for marriage. Ve is lord of 2nd and 7thand 6th Lo being in this Hs spoils theoverallresult. Now this Ve is with Ma in Rasi and with Sa in navamsa which enhances the neagtive aspect of Ve. Sa also aspects the luminaries. Sa conjoins Mo and has the 8th aspect to Su in navamsa.Now with that said, Ve is not sopilt by Su/Ve distance or Ve is not in Su nakshatra, But Ve is spoilt due to the above given reasons which will give it's negative effect to the result, enhancing the bad qualities.Ju is NRK and FRKin Li navamsa. This Ju is spoilt. Again it is with Ra and in 2nd Hs in navamsa.So from this I am concluding tha if the quality is poor and the karaks spoilt then even though the event will happen but will cause a break or separation.Here is a quote from one of the messages from dear Ash ji's email that I have saved with my reference notes. I am sorry I donot have the message number for this but here it is:" Now for divorce to happen, there must be some yogs in the chart for example as per KAS we check Ju in libra or say Ve is in krittika or Ve to Sun distance is more than 43deg20 and such a Venus is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary or if Sun to Venus distance is less than 3deg20 and Ve is aspected by Saturn and Saturn aspects luminary, or Ve in nakshtra of Sun worst being in krittika, Venus being in aadra, mula, jayeshta, Ju being 6th lord and in lagna or even Ju with less than 4 bindus placed in 7th house, or Ju in lagna also plays a part in divorce and particularly it its 6th lord and aspects 2nd lord and 7th house or 7th lord in rasi or navamsa.Then for disputes we check lagna, su, mo, ve and ma and their 7th lords if they are in 6:8 or 2:12 then more chances of divorce.These are some of the laws."This was my view point on Separation or break in this chart.Now Timing:I was seeing Sa antra because Ve being samdharmi to Sa and also Me being 6th Lo is in 4:10 with Sa.But,Thank you Nikhlesh ji, for bringing out to my attention that samdharmi planets act for better results.Therefore Sa antra cannot break the relationship.Now, keeping that in mind, I think break could still be possible during the antra after Sa which is Me because of Me being 6th Lo in 2nd Hs. which is Jun 2010 - Nov 2011.This is what I think. Nikhlesh ji please feel free to comment on my thoughts.Thank you,-Bella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Nikhlesh ji, On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. For example Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... Summary Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > Dear Group, > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > Marriage: > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > Conclusion: > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > For example > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > Summary > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > Dear Group, > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > Marriage: > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > Conclusion: > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " shalini " <shalini3004 wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > With Kind Regards, > > Shalini > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > For example > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > Summary > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, /message/15061 Here it has been clarified that Saturn's delay and about the retro and its final entry. This discussion happened on 5th May 2007. Manu ji had written about this after Guru ji had guided us and Manu ji had guided the list. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > Shalini > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > For example > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > Shalini > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > For example > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, I am not disagree with you. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > /message/15061 > > Here it has been clarified that Saturn's delay and about the retro and its final entry. > > This discussion happened on 5th May 2007. > > Manu ji had written about this after Guru ji had guided us and Manu ji had guided the list. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we. 1) Why does Ju cause delay? 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that? 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both? 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay. Lets start the learning. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca ps: Replace the word " Harsh " with " Blunt " . , " shalini " <shalini3004 wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > With Kind Regards, > > Shalini > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. 1) Why does Ju cause delay? Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? I believe this would be the same answer as given above. 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that? Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has less than 12 points. 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for. 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both? There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic. Thank You. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we. > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that? > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both? > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay. > > Lets start the learning. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > ps: Replace the word " Harsh " with " Blunt " . > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear All; My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only 7th house marriage: selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house other planets aspects 7th house i left them Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that Ju having highest points and also LoE now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD. Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results Thinking for samdharmi of Ju in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters ........still this takes time for me to finalize ------------------ Regards, Devisingh ashsam73 wrote: Dear Nikhlesh ji, You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining. Thanks Nikhlesh ji. The date should be May 24th. 24th May 1979 4:10 AM 28N40 77E13 Sorry about that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13 > Dear Ash ji, > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time. > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May. > > Please confirm. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote > > > > Add to > this. > > > 6) When > can the native face health problems? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Ash's Corner [kas] > Monday October 26, 2009 > 12:18 AM > To: > ' ' > Practice Chart > > > Dear > Group, > > > > This > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > Here is > the chart > > > > 24th > Feb 1979 > > 4:10 AM > > 28N40 > > 77E13 > > > > From > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to > marry. I am not clear from her posts > that if she married the same guy or not. > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. > > > > If this > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. > > > > 1) > Marriage > > 2) > Child birth > > 3) > Marital Relations overall > > 4) > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and > asked if she should go for divorce. > > 5) > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > > > As > > > 15 Ar 55 > > > > > Su > > > 9 Ta 31 > > > > > Mo > > > 13 Ar 48 > > > > > Ma > > > 13 Ar 8 > > > > > Me > > > 2 Ta 15 > > > > > Ju > > > 11 Cn 16 > > > > > Ve > > > 14 Ar 30 > > > > > Sa > > > 14 Le 35 > > > > > Ra > > > 20 Le 59 > > > > > Ke > > > 20 Aq 59 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, Good. I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger. For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju? You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay? Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse. Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law. Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify? Q6) -> ok. Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for. Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets. Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives. Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house???? The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house. After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you). This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future. Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this. Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " shalini " <shalini3004 wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance > of that? > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has > less than 12 points. > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for. > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but > both? > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic. > > Thank You. > > With Kind Regards, > > Shalini > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we. > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that? > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both? > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay. > > > > Lets start the learning. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > ps: Replace the word " Harsh " with " Blunt " . > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, As you are not sure about my understanding about conjunction it is this; If they are in the same sign they are in conjunction if they are in the same sign in d-9 chart they become SD if two planets are in the same star they are SD to one another. I never had any doubt about 6L causing delay if with a karak as you may remember I had stated as such for the chart that dear Manu Ji had posted. Hoewever, I wanted confirmation on this point, only confirmation a simple yes or no is not spoon feeding. In the archives I have read that Jupiter in Libra becomes spoilt because to refer to #1175 Where dear Guru Ji had responded to a query about Jupiter in Libra. I learn better from your posts in archives than by direct communication with you. Thank You. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shalini ji, > > Good. > > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger. > > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju? > > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay? > > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse. > Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law. > > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify? > > Q6) -> ok. > > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for. > > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets. > > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives. > > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house???? > > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house. > > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you). > > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future. > > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this. > > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance > > of that? > > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has > > less than 12 points. > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for. > > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but > > both? > > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic. > > > > Thank You. > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > Shalini > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we. > > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that? > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both? > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay. > > > > > > Lets start the learning. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > ps: Replace the word " Harsh " with " Blunt " . > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Shalini ji, Take your time and i hope you will understand every basic as Ash ji advised.You are doing so good we all can see,rather you are on the verge of standing as an advanced student. So being a good student honour your teacher.I wish you could go through archives and if not ask one question at a time to add a link for the chain slowly. Every brick make a solid wall,so make every brick solid. Regards Anup --- On Fri, 6/11/09, shalini <shalini3004 wrote: shalini <shalini3004 Re: Practice chart Date: Friday, 6 November, 2009, 12:20 AM Dear Ash Ji,As you are not sure about my understanding about conjunction it is this; If they are in the same sign they are in conjunction if they are in the same sign in d-9 chart they become SD if two planets are in the same star they are SD to one another. I never had any doubt about 6L causing delay if with a karak as you may remember I had stated as such for the chart that dear Manu Ji had posted. Hoewever, I wanted confirmation on this point, only confirmation a simple yes or no is not spoon feeding. In the archives I have read that Jupiter in Libra becomes spoilt because to refer to #1175 Where dear Guru Ji had responded to a query about Jupiter in Libra.I learn better from your posts in archives than by direct communication with you. Thank You.With Kind Regards,Shalini astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Shalini ji,> > Good.> > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger.> > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju?> > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay?> > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse.> Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law.> > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify?> > Q6) -> ok.> > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for.> > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets.> > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives.> > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house????> > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house.> > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you).> > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future.> > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this.> > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" <shalini3004@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage?> > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions?> > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance> > of that?> > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has> > less than 12 points. > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for.> > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but> > both?> > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic.> > > > Thank You.> > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > Shalini> > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we.> > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay?> > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean?> > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect?> > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction?> > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that?> > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus?> > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet?> > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both?> > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB?> > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus?> > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay.> > > > > > Lets start the learning.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > ps: Replace the word "Harsh" with "Blunt". > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" <shalini3004@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shalini ji,> > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points.> > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point.> > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts.> > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak....... .... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time.> > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "shalini" <shalini3004@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to> > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes .......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then> > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay.> > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo â€" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).> > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.> > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, I want to express my sincere apologies. I am not good with negative motivation and I really value and respect you and your posts and am doing my best to soak in all that is written there from you and all members. The written language can sometimes be conveyed harsher than is meant and also English in itself comes across more abrupt than Hindi. However, I will do my best to not fly off the handle and take your words to push me to strengthen my understanding. Thank You for taking the time. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " shalini " <shalini3004 wrote: > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > As you are not sure about my understanding about conjunction it is this; If they are in the same sign they are in conjunction if they are in the same sign in d-9 chart they become SD if two planets are in the same star they are SD to one another. I never had any doubt about 6L causing delay if with a karak as you may remember I had stated as such for the chart that dear Manu Ji had posted. Hoewever, I wanted confirmation on this point, only confirmation a simple yes or no is not spoon feeding. In the archives I have read that Jupiter in Libra becomes spoilt because to refer to #1175 Where dear Guru Ji had responded to a query about Jupiter in Libra. > > I learn better from your posts in archives than by direct communication with you. > Thank You. > > With Kind Regards, > > Shalini > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > Good. > > > > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger. > > > > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju? > > > > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay? > > > > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse. > > Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law. > > > > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify? > > > > Q6) -> ok. > > > > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for. > > > > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets. > > > > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives. > > > > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house???? > > > > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house. > > > > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you). > > > > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future. > > > > > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this. > > > > > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > > > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > > > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > > > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > > > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance > > > of that? > > > > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has > > > less than 12 points. > > > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > > > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > > > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for. > > > > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but > > > both? > > > > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > > > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > > > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic. > > > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we. > > > > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > > > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that? > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both? > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > > > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay. > > > > > > > > Lets start the learning. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > ps: Replace the word " Harsh " with " Blunt " . > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak........... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , " shalini " <shalini3004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Anup Ji, " Every brick make a solid wall,so make every brick solid. " Yes, you are correct. All I ask for is guidance. You are correct in saying to honor our teachers no matter what. Thank You for your kind words. I aim to work harder. With Kind Regards, Shalini , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, >  >  > Take your time and i hope you will understand every basic as > Ash ji advised.You are doing so good we all can see,rather you are > on the verge of standing as an advanced student. >  > So being a good student honour your teacher.I wish you could go > through archives and if not ask one question at a time to add  a > link for the chain slowly. >  > Every brick make a solid wall,so make every brick solid. >  > Regards > Anup >  >  >  >  > --- On Fri, 6/11/09, shalini <shalini3004 wrote: > > > shalini <shalini3004 > Re: Practice chart > > Friday, 6 November, 2009, 12:20 AM > > >  > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > As you are not sure about my understanding about conjunction it is this; If they are in the same sign they are in conjunction if they are in the same sign in d-9 chart they become SD if two planets are in the same star they are SD to one another. I never had any doubt about 6L causing delay if with a karak as you may remember I had stated as such for the chart that dear Manu Ji had posted. Hoewever, I wanted confirmation on this point, only confirmation a simple yes or no is not spoon feeding. In the archives I have read that Jupiter in Libra becomes spoilt because to refer to #1175 Where dear Guru Ji had responded to a query about Jupiter in Libra. > > I learn better from your posts in archives than by direct communication with you. > Thank You. > > With Kind Regards, > > Shalini > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > Good. > > > > I can see now why you are having problems in understanding this concept. Still the basics have to be stronger. > > > > For Q1 -> You have not answered Why Ju creates delay? What that planet Ju? > > > > You are addressing, under what conditions will Ju cause delay. What I am asking you the very basic question and that is why the planet Ju is considered as the planet that can cause delay? > > > > Q2 -> Ok, so in reference to your initial question regarding Ju, I think your reference to Ju with less bindus and more bindus should get clear or atleast the understanding of the same should start to get clear. We have to apply the very basics. That is why i keep insisting, that clear the basics and the rest will fall in place. If u start to build on shakey ground then everything will collapse. > > Time is well invested if spent in firming the basics of KAS. As u go into detail of the system, you will realise that the same laws are used and understanding the essense of it will help one grasp the detail portion. > > > > Q3) -> No to happy with your reply. You have said few things, but some things are not clear or added. Please write more on it. Explain what you mean by the terms Obstruct, Delay, Spoil? What is the meaning of all this? > > > > Q4) -> Not complete or incorrect understanding. Maybe you might have missed something. As per what you have written, Planet A at 29 deg Sag and Planet B at 1 deg Cap will be considered conjunct as they will be in the same nakshatra? Is that your understanding? > > > > Therefore in your question that you asked initially regarding ju conjoing planet etc etc the basic itself is incorrect therefore you are having difficulty in understanding that law. > > > > Q5) -> Status and Quality is ok, but I am not clear regarding what you mean by Length of marriage? Please clarify? > > > > Q6) -> ok. > > > > Q7) -> Again, you havent answered the question, why is Ju spoilt in Libra? What is special about the sign libra w.r.t Ju? Here itself the basic is not clear? > > > > Q8) Incorrect answer or not what I was looking for. > > > > Q9) So if 6th lord is at 1 deg in a sign and other planet is at 28 deg in the sign then? The theory that you have applied is ok. Then, this should answer some portion of your initial query to me regarding what is 6th lord joins other planets. > > > > Q10) -> Not happy with the answer and not what i was looking for at all. Refer to the archives and lessons. This is a very important point. > > > > What you have answered is applicable to Ju owning any house. Here I have specifically asked u about Ju as 6th lord aspecting ..... > > > > Q11) -> Again conjunction, you should clarify, what if LoA and LoB are at 29 deg in the sign and Ju as 6th lord is in 1st deg of the same house? is the it same as say if both were in same nak as well and or say if they were in same sign, same nak and same nav i.e. < 3deg20 apart? Again, your basics about conjunction is not clear and therefore u are not able to get these points cleared. In any case, just read up on all this from the archives. > > > > Q12) -> Incorrect answer. If Ju is 6th lord then there is a possiblity that Ju can also be 12th lord too i.e. for Cancer lagna. Then for 12th house, Ju will become LoE then how it can spoil 12th house???? > > > > The very basic answer to that is in the lessons and this has been discussed at length in the archives about 6th lord in 4th house and then what if Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house. > > > > After that you add the angle of their SAV bindus .... then u can gauge ..... (these are hints for you). > > > > This basic is weak i.e. Q12. You must get this 100% cleared otherwise u will keep getting stuck in future. > > > > > > Please take your time, take a paper and pen, and draw out the different scenarios and try to grasp all this. > > > > > > Your attempt is sincere and good Shalini ji, but still I expect a lot of parisharm from you, because I can see u doing well, but then all good students have to be pushed and have to put in far more effort to strife for perfection. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " shalini " <shalini3004@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > Yes,Ash Ji I am here to learn sincerely. Please find my answers below. > > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > > > > > Jupiter only causes delay when it has more than 4 bindus for it's position when it's aspect becomes malefic. When a malefic Guru aspects LoA, B or HA, HB it then obstruct and delays the results for HB. > > > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > > > > > When a planet has more than 4 bindus it means they are benefic planet for the house they sit in but become malefic for the house/houses they aspect. > > > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > > > > > A malefic planet's aspect obstructs or delays, spoils the house/houses it aspects. > > > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > > > > > When two or more planets are in conjunction they influence one another. If the conjunction is with a planet that is in the same star they become SD. > > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > > > > Jupiter is Natural Root Karak (9L) for marriage. Thus, Guru's health becomes very important to understand the status, quality and length of marriage. > > > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > I believe this would be the same answer as given above. > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance > > > of that? > > > > > > Jupiter in Libra loses its karaktva and gives opposite results if it has > > > less than 12 points. > > > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > > > > > 6L is considered the most malefic planet in KAS and Guru with more than 4 bindus it's aspect would be considered even more harsh as Guru has become 6L. > > > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > > > > > When 6L conjoins any planet it afflicts, delays, obstructs the results of the house that planet is Karak for. > > > > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but > > > both? > > > > > > There will be full Guru Delay and Guru afflicts Houses A and B and their lords thus compromising the results as 6L Guru harms the karak lord and house B two important houses for HB affects to materialize. > > > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > > > > > In such a case it afflicting both significators with it's influence by conjunction. > > > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > > > > > When a planet is with more bindus it is a benefic for this house. 4H is HD for marriage. Normally planets with 6 bindus in HD become eager to furnish results as I believe Guru as 6L would do here as well, however the result of HB may not be good also in 4h with more points Guru malefically aspects 12H which HE for 7H as HB. Guru as 6L with less than 4 bindus is debilitated in HD thus spoils HD, though casting benefic aspect to 12H 6L's aspect cannot completely be considered benefic. > > > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > Ok lets get the learning on the way regarding your questions, shall we. > > > > > > > > 1) Why does Ju cause delay? > > > > 2) What is the meaning of a planet having more than 4 bindus mean? > > > > 3) What is the meaning of Malefic Aspect? > > > > 4) What is the meaning of Conjunction? > > > > > > > > 5) Why is Ju special for Marriage? > > > > 6) Why are we checking Ju for marriage related questions? > > > > > > > > 7) Why specifically Ju in libra is given in lessons? What is the significance of that? > > > > 8) What is the meaning of Ju being 6th lord and with more than 4 bindus? > > > > 9) What happens when 6th lord conjoins any planet? > > > > 10) What happens when Ju as 6th lord aspects House A and B or their lords but both? > > > > 11) What happens when 6th lord is Ju and conjoins LoA and LoB? > > > > 12) What happens when Ju is 6th lord and in 4th house and what is the differenec when Ju is with more than 4 bindus and what is the effect when it is with less that 4 bindus? > > > > > > > > Lets focus on the very basics and hopefully, you will start to get your answers regarding Ju's delay. > > > > > > > > Lets start the learning. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > > > > > > > ps: Replace the word " Harsh " with " Blunt " . > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " shalini " <shalini3004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I do not understand why your post is so harsh when I am not being so. I myself have said that Saturn delay commences when saturn re-enters the sign after retrograding I only wanted confirmation as it was not corrected when another member had used a different date for satrun delay to be commenced for quiz 1. I am here to learn and do not seek spoon feeding I do not believe my posts indicate so. I am asking for clarifications only when what is in the archives is not corrected when a members posts something different in present time. > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shalini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your facts are incorrect. I have written about this point and it must be in the archives about taking the final entry of Saturn. You can search this point / my mail in the archives. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its just that the participants had overlooked this point and hence I pointed this out specifically. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your questions to me are more spoon feeding type questions. All these things have been discussed and the reason for this Quiz is so that one can get a concrete example to study and brush up the basics. > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean its a given, that the participants will take the pains to hash out and discuss amongths themselves and bring out posts like Bella ji did when discussing with Nikhlesh ji and then hashing out the points. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your questions are lacking the effort trying to do searches in the archives nor trying to discuss with members who can help you. You are not taking any practical examples either to demonstrate the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have appreciated it more if you had a chart and if Ju was 6th lord and in star of LoA or LoB and it was causing some delay then u could discuss that point to get the deeper understanding of the same. Otherwise Ju's delay has been discussed at length and opinions have been given. The lesson is a guideline but its also said that Ju's delay is very dicey to decipher. All the senior members have been tasked with taking time to study this in several charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see Ramesh ji's mails where how he is considering or not considering ju's delay. It is not easy, a lot of judgement has to go into finding delay of Ju. Saturn's delay is easier as its a natural delay causing planet and a natural malefic. Ju is not so. Ju is also natural rook karak....... ..... there is so much.. but unfortunately i am out of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " shalini " <shalini3004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The area I was seeking confirmation with was Saturn delay and when it is over. The reason being because in the chart that was deemed quiz 1 recently by Hussein Ji, in this chart some members were calculating Saturn delay when it first enters the sign, however in the archives it is mentioned repeatedly that when Saturn returns after retrograding is when Saturn delay is over. Since the member was not corrected is only why I asked. I am a new student still learning from the archives and the lessons therefore, if a senior member is not correcting these kinds of things it could confuse a beginner. As it turned out you did eventually have to clear this point in a recent post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, I would suggest that you make more attempts, as many as you need. This is not just a quiz, this is a learning experience and more so to channel the different aspects that are required to study the chart i.e. from the various angles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those discussing and taking advantage of this exercise, can immensely benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary I would suggest that all of you should even select differnt antras as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are not sure of 1 antra, then select your antra and the depth u feel comfortable with and give your reason, then you can select another antra as well and give your chain of thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo antra can give marriage due to xyz factor, however if the event does not happen due to abc factors the marriage might get delayed to > > > > > > > > ma antra but mars is low / high for marriage so it might / might not happen, then next comes ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo - give reason xxxxxxxx and if it does not happen due to yyyyyyy reason then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xy antra - give reason xxxxxxxxxxx and if it does not happen then zzzzzzz reason... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the contrary that way your thought process and where you get stuck up will become more clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice that Shalini ji gets stuck up and then she stops and wants some help in clarifying before moving on.... that problem will get solved if she can note down her doubts (in short) and start to select the next probable antra and give the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So one can solve all the antras that way and giving reason why an antra can / cannot give. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that will serve a more comprehensive way of learning rather than focussing on the final date of marriage and other events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest, all of you, to re-think, and pick the starting antra after delay and then go though each one of the antra giving your reasons clearly as to why or why not is the event possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com, " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to Ash ji ........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay. > > > > > > > > > I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Ju delay : No Ju delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soon after Mo †" Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no zero’s in the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Aspect of Ra on Ve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. > > > > > > > > > Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Analysis of other questions, I would try later please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04). > > > > > > > > > 2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > 3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 06.11.09 Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 06.11.09. Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55 Dear Group, Let me keep the marriage date analysis apart for sometime and try my hand at the other two questions namely health issue and child birth. When can the native face health problems? Before venturing to detect the timing, it would be more prudent to first find out what kind of health problems this lady might have got affected with in the recent past or would get in present / near future. For this let us first observe which houses are badly affected and by which planets. Each part of a human body is associated with a house in the chart starting with head being associated with 1st house, I suppose. Let us make a summary of this: 1. The 6th lord is afflicting 2nd house and 8th house. 2. Ve is aspecting 7th house malefically. 3. Ra (representing as Ve and Sun) is afflicting 5th, 9th, 11th and 1st house. 4. Sa is afflicting 5th, 7th, 11th and 2nd house. 5. The 5th house has very low astakvarg points. 6. The 5th lord is afflicted by 6th lord and they are sitting pretty close to each other. Narrowing down further, we observe; 1. The 6th lord Me is not only aspecting 8th house malefically but is also weak for the 8th house ( 12 points). Here Me is also the karak for 8th house. 2. Ve is not only malefically aspecting 7th house but is also weak for the 7th house (12 points). 3. The 5th house is totally weak and badly afflicted due reasons more than one. Thinking further it refelcts on us that the houses most affected are 5th, 7th and 8th. The karak of 5th (Ju) is weak for both 5th and 8th. The karak for 7th is weak for 7th. The karak of 8th is weak for 8th house plus it is 6th lord also. So the health issues are likely to be related to these 3 houses. What all they can be? The 5th house notifies about children, the 7th and 8th about the human organs for the purpose of the same. So can problem in giving child birth be a health issue here?????? Is the health issue related to gynecological disorder?????? Let us study it more…………in relation to child birth first….... We observe her Moon and Mars. Both are afflicted by Rahu. Besides, both Moon and Mars are weak for the 5th house. Infact Mars is weak for most of the houses including 1st house and 6th house for which it is Karak. Mo is also weak for the 8th house. Her 7th lord is placed in Lagan; it is afflicted by Rahu and has high points there (it spoils 7th house). For children we also see 2nd house and here 2nd house is afflicted by Sa and 2nd lord Ve is afflicted by Rahu. In a female chart the placement of Sa and Rahu in the 5th house needs to be studied closely. Here Sa is of low points. Rahu alone does not cause problem here for children but Rahu along with Sa creates worries about children. It may give rise to abortion. Abortion is also linked to weak Mars which this lady has in her chart. From July 05 to Feb 06 she was under Mars. Then from Feb 06 to Aug 07 she was under Rahu AD, then under Ju till Dec 08 and right now under AD of Sa. Saturn’s position is in her 5th house with fewer points and because it does not have help from other planets, indicates birth of a child after age of 30 years. She attained this age in May 2009. Also prior to this and after marriage (most probably in Mid of 2005 she had been under the AD of Ma, Ra and Ju. Summary of above : I am beginning to think that conception in her case got delayed due to gynecological problem (and this was the health issue) and that she conceived or should conceive during the running Sa AD (Dec 08 to July 2010). The thinking process shall continue……………… Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009  Dear Nikhlesh ji, Sorry, got little tied up. Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end. I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay. Here is my view: Sa Delay: Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years. 27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days. = 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx) Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly. Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007. Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay. Please comment on this antra. Nikhlesh ji, I have a question. 1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one. 2) Now, I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period. Thank you, -Bella. - nikhlesh mathur Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:13 AM Practice chart MY 3RD attempt: Analysis (Prac-nm/5) date 04.11.09.Practice chart, Female native, 24.05.1979, 04:10 am, 28N40; 77E13, Asc 15Ar55Dear Group,The mail from Ash ji about counting the delay after the retrogradation of Sa is completed made me re-analyze the query for the 3rd time in as many days.In my 2nd attempt I had derived the marriage during Moon antra in the period Sept 04 to Dec 04.However Sa goes retrograde in the latter half of 2004 and goes back into the Ge sign (Gemini).Only on 16th May 2005 it comes back into the Cancer sign and then moves forward only and does not go back into Gemini.Therefore the Sa delay technically ends on 16th May 2005.The antra of Moon was running at that time and it was rich to give the marriage event due to reasons cited in my 2nd attempt.The Mo antra continued till 4th July 2005.So this lady must have got married during the period 16th May 2005 to 4th July 2005.I think I may not have to make another attempt in determining her marriage date of this lady.Fundamentals are getting clearer in every attempt.Thanks to Ash ji ........Regards,Nikhlesh MathurLet me attempt the marriage the affair part once again after clearing the funda on Sa delay.I am assuming time 4.10 itself and not the alternative 4.13 hrs.Marriage:1. Sa delay : Full Sa delay as Sa aspects houses A,B,C for 7th house matters. The delay gets over on 29th Aug 2004 when Sa enters Cancer sign.2. Ju delay : No Ju delay.3. Blessings : There are no Blessings in the chart. However, in D-9 the lord of 1st and 9th make 5:9 combination. 3. Marital Happiness : Not seen in the chart by the usual formulae (relationships between 1st and 7th from Asc, Moon and Sun in both D-1 and D-9 charts). Besides, out of the Sign's 2,4,5,7,12 (signs of love) only Taurus has more than 28 points thus limiting the success to marital life.5. FK and NK both are Ve which is spoiled by Ra.6. LoD = Mo and LoE = Ju. Both are of high power for 7th house.7. AD at the time of completion of Sa delay: Ve AD was about to end. Soon after Mo – Mo dasha started. Her Mo is LoD and very strong for 7th house (26 points). Yes it aspects house B but it is LoD also for 7th house plus has very high points here. There are no zero’s in the chart. So there are strong indications of marriage taking place in the 1st sector itself of Mo AD ( Sept 04 to Dec 04). One of the events known is that the lady is unhappy in marriage and even asking if she could go for divorce. The unhappiness is due to her FK and NK (both Ve) being weak for 7th house and badly afflicted also. Her Moon is also afflicted by Rahu and her Rahu represents Venus which is weak for her 7th house.The significator of marriage is weak plus the Moon in which she might have got married is again afflicted by Rahu behaving as Ve. So even if she married in high powered planet there is bound to be marital unhappiness associated with her.And above all her Ju is in Libra in Navansh and this is a major major for unhappiness in marital life.8. Divorce is not seen in the chart even when there is marital unhappiness. The combinations in her chart do not comply with the stated KAS laws.Why she had an affair: The yogs for this are:1. Aspect of Ra on Ve.2. The KAS law states that when the Lord of 4th (Mo here) and lord of 12th (Ju here) are linked with lord of 2nd (Ve here) and 10th house lord (Sa here) then it promotes an affair . Here Mo and Ve are together. Ve Ju are 4:10 but in a manner in which Ju would cause problems for Ve rather then being its follower.The 10th lord Sa is in the Nks of 2nd lord Ve. Ju is in the Nks of 10th lord Sa. So with all this the stage is set for having love relationship. The lady must have had love marriage.Analysis of other questions, I would try later please.Conclusion:1. Marriage possibly during Mo AD (Sept 04 to Dec 04).2. Should have been a Love marriage for reasons mentioned above.3. Marital relations: Generally unhappy but does not seem to lead to divorce.Regards,Nikhlesh Mathur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Devisingh ji, Very nice attempt. Please continue your chain of thought. Try to find the antra that you think might give marriage. Just go upto antra. So first compute the delay and there after start to think over the best possible period that u think can give the event. However, do write your thinking process. That will help one figure out where you are going away or your confusion. Well Done. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of devisigh Thursday November 5, 2009 6:42 AM To: Re: Re: Practice Chart Dear All; My first attempt using KAS rules/techniques only 7th house marriage: selecting Mo main Dasha which is with FK Ve for 7th house Su and Ju seems significator from ws points for 7th house other planets aspects 7th house i left them Su is with Me which is 6th load makes Su samdharmi to 6th lord i left that Ju having highest points and also LoE now considering Ju only as strong significator which in RK and NRK and natural samdharmi to Mo which is LoD. Ju does not have sight on A/B/C and is LoE can gives results Thinking for samdharmi of Ju in navamsa Ju is with Ra ...makes Ju and Ra samdharmi Ra can be thought to facilitate results for 7th house matters .......still this takes time for me to finalize ------------------ Regards, Devisingh ashsam73 wrote: Dear Nikhlesh ji, You are correct. It was a typo. It was good that I gave the degree of all planets so this mistake could be checked right in the begining. Thanks Nikhlesh ji. The date should be May 24th. 24th May 1979 4:10 AM 28N40 77E13 Sorry about that. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > > Sub: 24th Feb 1979, 4.10 am, 28.N.40, 77.E.13 > Dear Ash ji, > > You said that Su is 9Ta31 for the above native. But a person born on the month of Feb cannot have his Sun in Taurus sign. It should be in Aquarius at this time. > > If other things are okay then I think the birth date is 24th May. > > Please confirm. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:47:29 +0530 wrote > > > > Add to > this. > > > 6) When > can the native face health problems? > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Ash's Corner [kas] > Monday October 26, 2009 > 12:18 AM > To: > ' ' > Practice Chart > > > Dear > Group, > > > > This > lady has been posting charts in various lists for many years now. > > > > Here is > the chart > > > > 24th > Feb 1979 > > 4:10 AM > > 28N40 > > 77E13 > > > > From > what I gather, she had an affair or liked some guy that she wanted to > marry. I am not clear from her posts > that if she married the same guy or not. > Her parents were looking out for some proposals for her. > > > > If this > chart came blindly to you, can you predict the following. > > > > 1) > Marriage > > 2) > Child birth > > 3) > Marital Relations overall > > 4) > She has been complaining that relations are bad after marriage and > asked if she should go for divorce. > > 5) > Why she had affair or what are the yogs for that in this chart. > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > > > As > > > 15 Ar 55 > > > > > Su > > > 9 Ta 31 > > > > > Mo > > > 13 Ar 48 > > > > > Ma > > > 13 Ar 8 > > > > > Me > > > 2 Ta 15 > > > > > Ju > > > 11 Cn 16 > > > > > Ve > > > 14 Ar 30 > > > > > Sa > > > 14 Le 35 > > > > > Ra > > > 20 Le 59 > > > > > Ke > > > 20 Aq 59 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Bella ji, I am trying to answer your 2nd question first. It would be easier to understand the computation of delay if you consider that if Sa is of more degrees then comparatively it will take lesser time to arrive at the door step of its previous sign. It is like a head-start available for a race to a candidate. It reaches the finishing point in lesser time theoretically. If Sa is at zero degree in a sign then it will take full 27.5 years to arrive at the door step of the previous sign. That is, higher the degrees of Sa (say 29 degrees) lesser would be the time it will take to go around the chart and enter the previous sign and so lesser would be the delay. The Sa delay factor is included here in degrees. So the theorem is clear. For Sa delay observe the date on which it just enters the previous sign. Now this is not sufficient. Sa might retrograde and return back to the previous sign. This would mean that it has yet not completed the delay. It sort of teased the native about completion of delay but went back and in this process continued to cause the delay. Let me spare a few words about a planet being retrograde. We all know that Sun is stationary and all planets including our Earth are moving. In astrology we assume that Sun is also moving and that yes all planets are moving around Sun. In the subject Physics we learnt about relative motion. Often in a stationary train we feel it is moving if we see another train moving in backward direction. This is relative motion. Retrograde is also relative motion. It is relative to Sun. Please check out various charts you have. Observe that when any planet (apart from Moon) is in houses 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from Sun then generally you would find them retrograde. This is just a rough idea. There are other conditions also. The degrees are very-very important here. Particular angular distance of a planet (apart from Rahu, Ketu, Moon) from Sun makes it either retrograde or in direct motion. It is like you are standing on a moving Sun and when you see a moving planet just opposite to it you feel it is going in the reverse direction. Rahu Ketu are always retrograde. So planets keep becoming retrograde in transit because of their placement with respect to Sun (relative to Sun). This is just to give a scientific insight on the topic which I believe all must already be knowing. Now coming back to the method of how you check for retrograde Sa (or any other planet). First remember that in our KAS program a planet gets suffixed by capital R when it goes retrograde. Now when you detect the date on which Sa enters the previous sign (for computing delay), observe the position of Sun in transit. Is it likely to arrive at a position such that it is 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from the transit house of Saturn during the next 30 months? If yes, simply keep putting different dates in the transit chart and keep observing the Sa degrees. Are these degrees increasing or decreasing? If they are decreasing then observe when the alphabet R gets suffixed to Sa. That is the date when Sa gets retrograde. Beware! it might still be in the same sign. Keep putting more dates one by one (or week by week) further. Keep observing Sa degrees. When it is retrograde it must be decreasing day by day. Soon you will find Sa jumping in the previous sign one fine day. In the chart in question Sa entered Cancer sign for the 1st time on 29th Aug 2004 from Gemini. Then it turned retrograde on 8th Nov 2004 when Sa had already travelled 4 degrees in Cancer. Observe the position of Sun at that time (23Li37). It is 251 degrees away from Sa. Then on 24th Jan 2005 it skips back in Gemini sign. Observe the relative position of Sun then. The Saturn was 6th from it. On 22nd March 2005 Sa stops being retrograde but continues to remain in the Gemini sign. This means the delay is still continued. Sun was 9Pi9 at that time. Proceed further. Keep an eye on the degrees of Sa. Check what happened on 16th May 2005. On 16th May 2005 it jumps forward into the Cancer sign. Observe the position of Sun at that time. It was in Taurus sign which was 11th from the Saturn new house. So Saturn can then never turn retrograde again while in Cancer sign during its remaining period there. Now the delay is technically over on 16th May 2005. Check for the antra on that date and proceed with your analysis. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wrote Dear Nikhlesh ji, Sorry, got little tied up. Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay. Here is my view: Sa Delay: Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years. 27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days. = 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx) Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly. Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay. Please comment on this antra. Nikhlesh ji, I have a question. 1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one. 2) Now, I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period. Thank you, -Bella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Dear Nikhlesh ji, You write like a pro. Very happy to read your post. A slight correction though: >>It is like you are standing on a moving Sun and when you see a moving planet just opposite to it you feel it is going in the reverse direction. >>Rahu & Ketu are always retrograde. >>So planets keep becoming retrograde in transit because of their placement with respect to Sun (relative to Sun). Retrogression is relative to Earth. If you observe from Sun, you will never observe retrogression. It is a phenomenon for an observer on Earth. Thanks & Regards, Manu On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:53 AM chandni_99 Cc: Re: Re: Practice chart Dear Bella ji, I am trying to answer your 2nd question first. It would be easier to understand the computation of delay if you consider that if Sa is of more degrees then comparatively it will take lesser time to arrive at the door step of its previous sign. It is like a head-start available for a race to a candidate. It reaches the finishing point in lesser time theoretically. If Sa is at zero degree in a sign then it will take full 27.5 years to arrive at the door step of the previous sign. That is, higher the degrees of Sa (say 29 degrees) lesser would be the time it will take to go around the chart and enter the previous sign and so lesser would be the delay. The Sa delay factor is included here in degrees. So the theorem is clear. For Sa delay observe the date on which it just enters the previous sign. Now this is not sufficient. Sa might retrograde and return back to the previous sign. This would mean that it has yet not completed the delay. It sort of teased the native about completion of delay but went back and in this process continued to cause the delay. Let me spare a few words about a planet being retrograde. We all know that Sun is stationary and all planets including our Earth are moving. In astrology we assume that Sun is also moving and that yes all planets are moving around Sun. In the subject Physics we learnt about relative motion. Often in a stationary train we feel it is moving if we see another train moving in backward direction. This is relative motion. Retrograde is also relative motion. It is relative to Sun. Please check out various charts you have. Observe that when any planet (apart from Moon) is in houses 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from Sun then generally you would find them retrograde. This is just a rough idea. There are other conditions also. The degrees are very-very important here. Particular angular distance of a planet (apart from Rahu, Ketu, Moon) from Sun makes it either retrograde or in direct motion. It is like you are standing on a moving Sun and when you see a moving planet just opposite to it you feel it is going in the reverse direction. Rahu & Ketu are always retrograde. So planets keep becoming retrograde in transit because of their placement with respect to Sun (relative to Sun). This is just to give a scientific insight on the topic which I believe all must already be knowing. Now coming back to the method of how you check for retrograde Sa (or any other planet). First remember that in our KAS program a planet gets suffixed by capital R when it goes retrograde. Now when you detect the date on which Sa enters the previous sign (for computing delay), observe the position of Sun in transit. Is it likely to arrive at a position such that it is 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th from the transit house of Saturn during the next 30 months? If yes, simply keep putting different dates in the transit chart and keep observing the Sa degrees. Are these degrees increasing or decreasing? If they are decreasing then observe when the alphabet R gets suffixed to Sa. That is the date when Sa gets retrograde. Beware! it might still be in the same sign. Keep putting more dates one by one (or week by week) further. Keep observing Sa degrees. When it is retrograde it must be decreasing day by day. Soon you will find Sa jumping in the previous sign one fine day. In the chart in question Sa entered Cancer sign for the 1st time on 29th Aug 2004 from Gemini. Then it turned retrograde on 8th Nov 2004 when Sa had already travelled 4 degrees in Cancer. Observe the position of Sun at that time (23Li37). It is 251 degrees away from Sa. Then on 24th Jan 2005 it skips back in Gemini sign. Observe the relative position of Sun then. The Saturn was 6th from it. On 22nd March 2005 Sa stops being retrograde but continues to remain in the Gemini sign. This means the delay is still continued. Sun was 9Pi9 at that time. Proceed further. Keep an eye on the degrees of Sa. Check what happened on 16th May 2005. On 16th May 2005 it jumps forward into the Cancer sign. Observe the position of Sun at that time. It was in Taurus sign which was 11th from the Saturn new house. So Saturn can then never turn retrograde again while in Cancer sign during its remaining period there. Now the delay is technically over on 16th May 2005. Check for the antra on that date and proceed with your analysis. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wrote Dear Nikhlesh ji, Sorry, got little tied up. Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay. Here is my view: Sa Delay: Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years. 27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days. = 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx) Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly. Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay. Please comment on this antra. Nikhlesh ji, I have a question. 1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one. 2) Now, I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period. Thank you, -Bella. 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Subject : Bella ji's question 1) "Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one." Dear Bellaji, I am rather still trying to understand your question-1. You asked that there is a boy of 21 years and there is a girl of 18 years and if both are under same delay then how do we pick the antra for marriage. However, I would try to answer your question considering what I understood from it is right. When there is a 3 year difference in the age of these two candidates for marriage then it is obvious that the Saturn sign of the girl is atleast one sign (or many be two signs also) before the Saturn sign of the boy. You say that the same delay equations hold good for both. If this is the case then the delay of Boy would tend be over atleast 2.5 years before the girl’s Sa delay. They can get married to separate persons in different years and this is very much feasible. If suppose they get married to each other then obviously the Sa delay of the boy would be 'Extending' until the delay of the girl is also over or it may be that the girl’s Sa delay is geting neutralized due to Blessings. For this we need to examine the individual charts. There could be many other reasons as well. The reasons for such extension in delay could be any of the following: 1. That there is also Ju delay for the boy, not for the girl. 2. That there are other delaying factors such as Sa getting retrograde when boy’s delay tend to ends but not so when girl’s Sa delay tends to ends. 3. That the right antra for the boy did not come immediately after the delay. 4. I am not counting on reasons due to personality, thinking, attitude etc as you have mentioned that both to be rather uneducated. Did I understand your question in its right perspective? If I have not then do let me know, I would like to understand it more and then try replying it from some other angle. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:08:48 +0530 wrote Dear Nikhlesh ji, Sorry, got little tied up. Like Ash ji has recommended to attempt again and again to strengthen the basic, can we please put this separation questionnaire towards the end.I would love to surely discuss little later, but if you don't mind can we please again review our basics about Sa delay. Here is my view: Sa Delay: Sa is at 15’35. I am going to attempt the delay of Sa for an Indian lady where legal age is 18 years. 27.5 – 15.35 = 25.5 + 15 months 17 days. = 26 yrs 9 months 17 days. (approx) Therefore her delay should be over on Mar 13 2006. Of course, we have to keep Desh Kaap Patra in mind and judge the antra accordingly. Her delay period was over as soon as Ra antra started which is Feb 2006 but I would predict 3rd sector because of full Sa delay which is Jan 17 2007 – Jul 10 2007.Also Sa is in 5th Hs and will not nullify the delay. Please comment on this antra. Nikhlesh ji, I have a question. 1) Keeping Desh Kaal Patra in mind we have to make the judgement but say for example there is a boy and a girl from urban rural area in India, same place where the legal age is 18 and 21. They both are uneducated and both are under same delay than with this 3 years difference how do we pick the antra for each one. 2) Now, I see that you have picked Mo antra. This could be a very basic question but I am lost so I am going to ask. How do you see Sa retrogation in previous sign or how do you use the transit chart to find the retrogation planet during certain period. Thank you, -Bella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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