RE: Looking for Practical inputs on Timing marriage

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Dear Chakraborty ji and list members

 

Thanks

to my friend for bring this mail to my attention.  Due to lack of time, I am unable to follow

the discussions. 

 

Chakraborty

ji, No, not like that.  MD gives the

Karaktwa and AD is used for timing of event. 

The primary rule of Vimshottari dasha is that if MD is not favourable

and AD is favourable then the event will happen and the reverse i.e. if MD is

fabourable and AD is not favourable then event will not happen.

 

So, the

timing of event is dependent on the power of antar dasha.  So this is basic.

 

So it

is not necessary for a person to run Ve MD to get married or Ju MD to have a

child, if u get what I mean.  These are

natural Karaks.  Karak definition is as

per KAS i.e. 8th lord in Kalpurush chart for natural karak and 8th

lord from natal chart for Functional Karak. 

 

 

Lets

take Bhaskar ji’s chart, and his date of marriage.  The data I have is

 

28th

June 1961

10:15

AM

16N45

81E09.

 

KAY :

22:25:36

 

Degree

of planets

 

Planet  Degrees

As        16 Le 54

Su        13 Ge 50

Mo       9 Sg 17

Ma       7 Le 7

MeR    12 Ge 44

JuR       13 Cp 2

Ve        28 Ar 21

SaR      5 Cp 38

Ra        7 Le 29

Ke        7 Aq 29

 

KAS Power

 

 

 

 

Hse

 

 

SAV

 

 

Su

 

 

Mo

 

 

Ma

 

 

Me

 

 

Ju

 

 

Ve

 

 

Sa

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

31

 

 

2

 

 

8

 

 

4

 

 

1

 

 

20

 

 

18

 

 

26

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

26

 

 

7

 

 

13

 

 

8

 

 

22

 

 

10

 

 

14

 

 

27

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

33

 

 

15

 

 

17

 

 

7

 

 

15

 

 

18

 

 

6

 

 

12

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

35

 

 

18

 

 

1

 

 

22

 

 

10

 

 

15

 

 

19

 

 

13

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

21

 

 

2

 

 

12

 

 

5

 

 

15

 

 

7

 

 

19

 

 

7

 

 

 

 

6

 

 

27

 

 

5

 

 

14

 

 

10

 

 

25

 

 

10

 

 

19

 

 

11

 

 

 

 

7

 

 

27

 

 

15

 

 

16

 

 

14

 

 

14

 

 

12

 

 

9

 

 

10

 

 

 

 

8

 

 

26

 

 

17

 

 

17

 

 

10

 

 

5

 

 

16

 

 

5

 

 

9

 

 

 

 

9

 

 

30

 

 

6

 

 

11

 

 

9

 

 

23

 

 

20

 

 

19

 

 

31

 

 

 

 

10

 

 

32

 

 

6

 

 

8

 

 

7

 

 

1

 

 

3

 

 

16

 

 

27

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

32

 

 

6

 

 

7

 

 

16

 

 

6

 

 

19

 

 

6

 

 

12

 

 

 

 

12

 

 

17

 

 

7

 

 

13

 

 

15

 

 

9

 

 

18

 

 

19

 

 

9

 

 

 

 

 

Now, for

repeatable laws for Timing of Event.

 

Delay

due to Saturn

 

2nd

lord and 11th lord are Mercury and 7th lord is Sa.

 

Saturn

is not aspecting Mercury in Rasi or Navamsa therefore no delay by Saturn.

 

Delay

due to Jupiter.

 

Ju

aspects 2nd house but it conjoins 7th lord but Ju has 5

bindus.  Therefore Ju will not cause

delay.  It also does not aspect Sa in

navamsa.  So no delay due to Ju either.

 

There

are no 0’s in SAV either so no delay indicate so far.

 

Lagna

and 9th lords of Rasi are in 5:9 indicates that there is blessing

i.e Su and Ma.

 

So

there is no delay and there is blessing so due to that, he will get married.

 

21 is

legal age to marry in India so from the above KAS power you can see that Moon

has the highest power.

 

 

 

 

 

Antardasha

 

 

Start

 

 

To

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

1983-Aug-13

 

 

1983-Nov-30

 

 

 

 

Moon

 

 

1983-Nov-30

 

 

1984-May-31

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

1984-May-31

 

 

1984-Oct-06

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

1984-Oct-06

 

 

1985-Aug-31

 

 

 

 

Jupiter

 

 

1985-Aug-31

 

 

1986-Jun-19

 

 

 

 

Saturn

 

 

1986-Jun-19

 

 

1987-Jun-01

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

 

1987-Jun-01

 

 

1988-Apr-06

 

 

 

 

Ketu

 

 

1988-Apr-06

 

 

1988-Aug-12

 

 

 

 

Venus

 

 

1988-Aug-12

 

 

1989-Aug-12

 

 

 

 

Moon

has 16 points and it is Lord of 4th house (LoD) so most eager.  Moon is in 5th house, so House E

or upchay for 12th with 6 bindus so again its triggering 12th

house so house of bed pleasures.  For 5th

house too it has 12 points so since this will be arranged marriage due to

blessing which indicates that the native will not oppose his father as he will

have full respect for him.

 

So as

far as Timing of Event goes, it will happen in Highest power planet.  Therefore Moon gave the result.

 

Next is

the selection of the period, then since we selected Moon to give marriage we

can select the next 2 most powerful planets in the KAS power table and use that

to find the transit of sun.

 

So on 9th

May 1984, Sun transits the sign and nak of Ma and Sun (13 days toleration is

acceptable on either side of event).  Ma

is LoE i.e. 12th lord and Sun has second highest power.  So it gave marriage.

 

Mo = 16

and trasit of Sun over Su-Ma (16-14) points.

 

These

laws are repeatable and can be checked in 2 other charts I had solved on this

list and it must be in the archives as well or studying the repeatability of

technique.

 

Now,

here if u notice, I am checking MD but its not a factor to NOT give

marriage.   This chart has promise of

marriage and for timing MD was not a factor.

 

Yes,

here Me is Karak for marriage (FK) as its 2nd lord but MD of Sun is

running.  So here Sun will show the

karkatwa.  Sun is Lagna lord so karak for

6th and its in 11th house with 4 bindus.  Sun is samdharmi to Mercury who is Karak so

there is a link.  Sun is also natural

karak for authority i.e. 10th house (5th lord, 8th

from 10th).

 

So these

will be the “touch†or say “flavor†in all the antra’s in Sun MD.  So after marriage, the focus will be more on

work, authority, happiness (karak for 4th) as its in 11th

house (8th from 4th), means kutumbik sukh etc etc.  His wife will be from a well to do family and

will bring him good name and respect, as Su is conjoined Me, karak for

authority is with karak for marriage so like that.

 

Infact,

in KAS we say that Marriage will happen in the antra of 4th lord or

12th lord or planets in these house. 

It does not have to be linked to 7th house.  4th and 12th house are

upchay to 7th and also 2nd i.e. karak and phal sthan.

 

The

result of 7th house i.e Phal sthan (B) will depend on Karak (A),

Phalit © and samrudhi sthan i.e. D and E so in normal language

 

The

timing of 7th house result will depend on 2nd house

(Karak), 11th house (phalit), and 4th and 12th

house samrudhi sthan.

 

3000+

members are here, all can check if they are married in the antra they were

married in.  Yes one must use Krushna

ayanamsa which is about 54 mins less than lahiri. 

 

I hope

its clear.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

,

" Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> If I remember correctly,  

Ash-ji (of KAS Sageasita forum, also a member

> of our AIA group) 

has done some statistical analysis about marriage and

> role of different MD/AD.

>

> What I remember, 90% correlation was not achieved by any

MD/AD lord.

>

> I will search the same when I get some time.

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

>

> ________________________________

>

On Behalf Of Manoj Kumar

> Monday, November 09, 2009 2:06 PM

>

> Re: Re: Looking for

Practical inputs on Timing marriage

>

>

>

> Over 90% of marriages shall take place in dasha of planets connected

with Lagna/7th house of birth chart and navamsha.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> ________________________________

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

>

> Mon, November 9, 2009 1:40:19 PM

> Re: Re: Looking for

Practical inputs on Timing marriage

>

>

>

> Dear Gopu ji,

>

> If Rahu is karaka for marriage (some call him Rahu-Byahu in

the northern Hindi belt), then how can one escape Ketu when he gets his seat in

7th from Rahu. If not Ketu, who else!

>

> But on a serious note, let us test this theory practically

on some charts and ask Vandana ji to demonstrate it for us.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

> 2009/11/9 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 <gopi_b927>

>

>

> Dear Chakraborty ji and vandana ji

> HA,HA that's why astrology is wonderful super

science.Sanivad Rahu;Kujavad ketu it  is

said.May be  it has got something to do

with it.Kuja is the L/L & 8L of natural zodiac.8th is 2nd(family) from

7th.May be Vandana ji can clarify..... ..

> Regards,

> gopi.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, " Chakraborty,

PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vandana-ji,

> >

> > I am trying to understand the system.

> >

> > From Ketu's dispositor, counting to be started.

> > From this system, marriage age will come in multiple

> > of 12 years only.

> >

> > Marriage may also come from 7th of Ketu's dispositor.

> > So, marriage may come in 19/31/38years and so on.

> >

> > If marraige comes from Ketu, then year of marriage

> > will depend on distance between Ketu & it's

dispositor

> >

> > Similarly for 7th from Ketu.

> >

> > So, looking at the probability of early/delayed/ very

delayed

> > marriage, one has to pick up a suitable year.

> >

> > Thanks for this gem of technique.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Chakraborty

> >

> > PS..... I do wonder why Ketu is deciding marriage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

[ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com] On Behalf Of

vijay.goel

> > Monday, November 09, 2009 11:20 AM

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Looking for

Practical inputs on Timing marriage

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Vandana Ji,

> >

> > The use of ketu dispositer as your have explained is

totally new to me.

> >

> > Thankyou for sharing this info, and regards to your

generous teachers.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40.

com<%2540>>, Vandna

Misra vandana_mishra_ 91@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Bhaskarji,

> > > while judging a chart few things which we keep in

mind is Desh, kal ,and patra.then we try to findout wheather the chart is of

early marriage,or delay marriage. i don't think it is very difficult to

find out.

> > > Now you can apply the rules,it goes like

that,check ketu's dispositor in the chart,in your chart it is saturn placed in

sixth house ,note the saturn and seventh from it,we have to start counting

from saturn ,to complete the circle when we reach saturn again 12 years

completed.since twelve years is not the age of getting married we have to move

further next time when we reached saturn it would be 24 years, crucial age to

get married.in<http://married.in/> your case I don't see much delay

in your marriage so i decided that 24 has to be expected age of

getting married.note that it is not just saturn and 7 from it but

also,,ketu and 7 from it which can decide the exact age.for instance if it

would have been delayed marriage I would have suggested 30Â {7 from

saturn}Â or 31{7 from ketu}Â age for marriage.

> > > while narrowing down the age group it is

essential to note dasha pattern running at that time plus -minus six months

will do as we all know it is dasha and transits which fructify the events.

> > > Kindly don't ask me the source of this rule as

these tested parameters are the nector poured by our teachers who

are devoting their lives in the devine service of astrology and selflessly

distributing among their pupils.sharing the knowledge is my way of showing

gratuitude towards them.

> > > Â

> > > Regards.

> > > Vandana Mishra

> > > Â

> > > - On Sun, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Looking

for Practical inputs on Timing marriage

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40.

com<%2540>>

> > > Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:41 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vandana ji,

> > >

> > > Thank You for your inputs. My Date of marriage is

9th May 1984. Please

> > > share the other method please. I am like a warrior

who likes to learn

> > > use of various weapons for warfare, and always

curious to learn so. The

> > > marriage timing part is very essential to be

successful in field of

> > > astrology. If one can do this then it does not

take long for him to

> > > become respected and well known in his circles. I

consider that in fact

> > > every astrologer must consider himself as an

astrologer only if he is

> > > able to overcome this Query in the beginning of

his professional Career.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, Vandna Misra

> > > <vandana_mishra_ 91@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Bhaskarji,

> > > > In my view the age 24,or 25 year 1985 is

crucial for yourÂ

> > > marriage.this time i have neither checked dasha

nor transits.kindly

> > > confirm if it is correct i can further go ahead

and shared the forum

> > > with another tool of predicting

correct year of marriage.

> > > > Regards.

> > > > Vandana Mishra

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

Looking for Practical inputs

> > > on Timing marriage

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

> > > > Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:30 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vandana ji,

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > I understand that the double transit of these

slow moving planets

> > > triggers the marriage.

> > > > To put in straight sentences, both Jupiter

and Saturn in transit

> > > should touch either of these-

> > > > Â

> > > > From Lagna (Jupiter)

> > > > Lagna Lord and 7th Lord or

> > > > Lagna and 7th Lord or

> > > > Lagna and 7th House or

> > > > Lagna Lord and 7th house.

> > > > Â

> > > > Repeat from Lagna (Saturn)

> > > > Â

> > > > Repeat above 8 points from Moon Lagna.

> > > > Â

> > > > I feel that above points being

touched by Jupiter or Saturn, could

> > > happen at several

> > > > times in a persons Life, and this could be

too confusing and leave one

> > > with a headache

> > > > by the time he finishes studying, noting and

writing down above

> > > transits on a piece of

> > > > paper. Or does it not happen several times ?

I am not sure. We will

> > > have to check

> > > > this on a number of Horoscopes to

understand.

> > > > Â

> > > > What is the easiest way to go through above

process ?

> > > > from where to begin ?

> > > > How should one start checking ?

> > > > Â

> > > > The second rule mentioned, about Sodya Pinda

I have not tried, so

> > > cannot comment. Need someone to help me here.

> > > > Â

> > > > Shall await the illustrations, and thanks

once again to take pains for

> > > replying.Â

> > > > Â

> > > > You can also take my own chart if you wish,

to illustrate.

> > > > DOB 28th June 1961. 10.15am Eluru

16.45N 81.09E

> > > > Â

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.Â

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, Vandna Misra

> > > <vandana_mishra_ 91@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Bhaskarji,

> > > > > Yes,it is astrological truth that for

fructification of any events

> > > especially marriage double transit of jupiter and

sat ÃÆ'‚Â is very

> > > important.right now i am presenting only

rules,but later i will

> > > definitely explain with few examples.for sat its

connection with 7h

> > > 7l,either from lagna or moon sign is important in

determining the year

> > > of marriage of course dasha must promised.

> > > > > since jupiter transits for 13 months it

helps in narrow down the

> > > date of marriage.its connection with 7h,7l

further confirm nearest dates

> > > of months.mars manglya karaka making any

connection with marriage

> > > related houses decides months.

> > > > > so far BAV of venus goes there is one

rule,if we multiply the

> > > shodhya pind of venus by the bindus in 7 from

venus,divide by 27 and

> > > count the remainder from aswani.when jupiter

passes over this nak,or its

> > > trines marriage may takes place.

> > > > > I Will definetely explain with example

in my next mail.

> > > > > Regards.

> > > > > Vandana Mishra

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]

Looking for Practical inputs on

> > > Timing marriage

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > Saturday, November 7, 2009, 6:25

AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Looking for Practical inputs on Timing

marriage

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > There are many dictums which teach us

how to determine the timing of

> > > > > marriage. But most of them are too

confusing and require a good

> > > number

> > > > > of critical planets in the chart, to be

touched in transits. The end

> > > results is

> > > > > that a astrologer lands up with several

dates of marriage which does

> > > not

> > > > > conclusively tell actually when the

marriage will really take place.

> > > If

> > > > > we give several dates of marriage to a

native, he will either throw

> > > > > us out of his house, or will stop

visiting our house.

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > 1)Saturn transit (As he is Kaal the

time keeper), Jupiter transit

> > > > > (For blessings) and Mars transit (For

Mangalya) are again the

> > > indicators

> > > > > of marriage. How do we use these

transits effectively ?ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > 2) Sodhya Pinda of Venus, BAV of Venus,

and determination of the

> > > > > right point, on which Jupiter transits,

will determine Nakshatra

> > > over

> > > > > which Jupiter transits will again

determine timing of marriage .How

> > > > > to do this ?

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > Can anybody explain this in simple

language without too much theory

> > > > > or presenting shlokas, but illustrate

with 2 examples, how to do

> > > > > this ?

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > Please do not bring

inÃÆ'‚Â Divisional charts, except maybe for

> > > Navamsha,

> > > > > and do not bring in KP too.ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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