Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Group, It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. Have everyone received /message/21508 Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear membersAs Ash ji has told,it will be useful to send your answer according to that table Ash ji has given.Don't feel bad if you send mistake answer.You can see my answers,some of them are right and another are mistake.It is not important for me to someone say : "ha ha see Hussein has give wrong answer.He doesn't know anything".It is not important at all.Please give your answers to check with other and reach a certain result.Best WishesHussein , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Group,> > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > Have everyone received > > /message/21508> > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.> > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > Thanks,> Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Ash ji, I was out for the w'end but I will definately try to reply today. Thank you, -Bella. - ashsam73 Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM Mails on list Dear Group,It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. Have everyone received /message/21508Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Ash ji and Group members, Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. Question Possible Answers Correct Answer Your Thoughts and Comments. Timing of marriage Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 Ju antra Conclusion: She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 – Aug/07 Second Choice Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. Ju antra She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. Child Birth conception. Picked Sa antra. Ju antra Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 – Jun/09. Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: I would go with rectified time of 4:13. Ra antra didn’t give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. Child Birth: From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. Thank you, -Bella. - ashsam73 Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM Mails on list Dear Group,It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. Have everyone received /message/21508Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Bella ji, If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " BPShiv " <chandni_99 wrote: > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > Question > Possible Answers > Correct Answer > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > Timing of marriage > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > Ju antra > Conclusion: > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > Second Choice > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > Ju antra > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > Child Birth conception. > Picked Sa antra. > Ju antra > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > Child Birth: > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > Thank you, > > -Bella. - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > Mails on list > > > > Dear Group, > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > Have everyone received > > /message/21508 > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Ash ji and Group, Updated Analysis: Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female Answers: Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem. Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. Question Possible Answers Correct Answer Your Thoughts and Comments. Timing of marriage Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 Ju antra Conclusion: She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 – Aug/07 Second Choice Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. Ju antra She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. Child Birth conception. Picked Sa antra. Ju antra Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 – Jun/09. Pregnancy Problem Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 Ju antra Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: I would go with rectified time of 4:13. Ra antra didn’t give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. Child Birth: From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. Thank you, -Bella. - ashsam73 Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM Re: Mails on list Dear Bella ji,If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca--- In , "BPShiv" <chandni_99 wrote:>> > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > Question> Possible Answers> Correct Answer> Your Thoughts and Comments.> > Timing of marriage> Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> Ju antra> Conclusion:> > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > Second Choice> Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > Ju antra> She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > Child Birth conception.> Picked Sa antra.> Ju antra> Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > Child Birth:> > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > Thank you,> > -Bella.> > > > > > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> Mails on list> > > > Dear Group,> > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > Have everyone received > > /message/21508> > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.> > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > Thanks,> Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Ash ji, I have mentioned earlier on Separation or Divorce antra also. I am not sure if you want me to add that portion on the grid or not as it is for the future. Pls advice....Thanks a lot for being the right hand of Guru ji and bringing this inspiration in us. -Bella. - ashsam73 Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM Re: Mails on list Dear Bella ji,If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca--- In , "BPShiv" <chandni_99 wrote:>> > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > Question> Possible Answers> Correct Answer> Your Thoughts and Comments.> > Timing of marriage> Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> Ju antra> Conclusion:> > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > Second Choice> Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > Ju antra> She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > Child Birth conception.> Picked Sa antra.> Ju antra> Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > Child Birth:> > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > Thank you,> > -Bella.> > > > > > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> Mails on list> > > > Dear Group,> > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > Have everyone received > > /message/21508> > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.> > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > Thanks,> Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Dear Bella ji and Group, A good point you have raised. Yes, I guess, no harm to put that in eh. Maybe once everyone gets their data in, we can have a bit of a brain storming on future predictions as well and get all our thoughts in. Since you have put in the effort, my suggestion is to put it the table with your thoughts and it will be documented and kept for future reference or for interested students, past, present and future joining members. If all the members who have taken part, please put in ALL your thoughts in the table. That way, all your thought process will be documented and tabulated for future reference. As your knowledge, experience and intution grows, and when you look back it will also serve as a good benchmark. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " BPShiv " <chandni_99 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > > I have mentioned earlier on Separation or Divorce antra also. I am not sure if you want me to add that portion on the grid or not as it is for the future. > > Pls advice....Thanks a lot for being the right hand of Guru ji and bringing this inspiration in us. > > -Bella. > > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > Re: Mails on list > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid. > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " BPShiv " <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > Question > > Possible Answers > > Correct Answer > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > Timing of marriage > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > Ju antra > > Conclusion: > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > Second Choice > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > Ju antra > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > Child Birth conception. > > Picked Sa antra. > > Ju antra > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > Have everyone received > > > > /message/21508 > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Dear All, Summarized my attempt as below. Question Possible Answers Correct Answer Your Thoughts and Comments. Antra for Marriage Ju Antra Ju Antra Ju have high points in ws Ju have no sight on A/B/C in rashi saturn aspects A,B,C in rashi so Full saturn delay Ju in Libra in navamsa so it enhance delay Ve cojoin St in navamsa enhance delay Lumanaries are influenced by Ra/St enhance delay I thought 3rd sector in Ju but it is 2nd sector Child birth St Antra Ju Antra Ve is strong significator from ws points St is natural samdharmi to Ve St is in nakshatra of Ve and also cojoin Ve in navamsa St is LoE for 5th house can give child birth 3rd secotr of Ju selected for marriage so vary next St selected logically Health Me Antra Ju Antra Me is strong significator from WS for 6th and 1st house and also it is LoD for 6th house and LoE for First house events Me being nakshatra of Su ...Me is samdharmi of Su and also LoB for 6th house with more then 5 points..... Me antra diffinately brings some health issues for native Su is 12th lord for 6th house concern and placed in second house that will increase bad deed of this Su and this can gives health issues for native...in Ws Su has more then 11 points Related to second sector of Ju: --I think 3rd sector of Ju will brings marriage .....however is is moderated to second sector ........ --The reason seems are St is in Ve navamsa St in 5th in aries Lagan-------can anyone point why it is considered as moderator in 5th for aries Asc?? ------------------ Regards, Devisingh ashsam73 wrote: Dear Group, It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. Have everyone received /message/21508 Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Dear Bela Ji, "If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad." my understanding is as below. ---If St delay causing planet itself gives results then it can only be in 1st sector of Saturn ---so event can be in 3rd sector of other planets delay moderation --if planet is LoE/D then delay gets moderated to second sector last periods (this i missed seems much convincing to me) --St in 5th in aries Asc is special -----i do not know much clear ??? --St in Ve sub it can moderate delay ------------------ Regards, Devisingh BPShiv wrote: Dear Ash ji and Group members, Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. Question Possible Answers Correct Answer Your Thoughts and Comments. Timing of marriage Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 Ju antra Conclusion: She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 – Aug/07 Second Choice Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. Ju antra She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. Child Birth conception. Picked Sa antra. Ju antra Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 – Jun/09. Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: I would go with rectified time of 4:13. Ra antra didn’t give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. Child Birth: From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. Thank you, -Bella. ----- Original Message ----- ashsam73 To: Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM Subject: Mails on list Dear Group, It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. Have everyone received /message/21508 Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Dear Devi singh ji, Thank you for your response. But here, Sa didn't give the result. It was Ju that gave the result. As far as sector, Ju is very strong in her chart. First it is LoE for 7th, than with 5 bindus sitting in Hs D and highest point for 7th Hs in WS. 30 pts. All this make me think that the event should have happened in first sector. Now, Devi singh ji, I think it could be possible that Ju pushed to second sector being in Li. I guess we just have to keep on solving more and more charts to get more confidence in delay. Specially Ju delay as it is tricky. Thank you, -Bella. - devisigh Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:29 AM Re: Mails on list Dear Bela Ji,"If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad."my understanding is as below.---If St delay causing planet itself gives results then it can only be in 1st sector of Saturn---so event can be in 3rd sector of other planetsdelay moderation--if planet is LoE/D then delay gets moderated to second sector last periods (this i missed seems much convincing to me)--St in 5th in aries Asc is special -----i do not know much clear ???--St in Ve sub it can moderate delay------------------ Regards, DevisinghBPShiv wrote: Dear Ash ji and Group members, Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. Question Possible Answers Correct Answer Your Thoughts and Comments. Timing of marriage Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 Ju antra Conclusion: She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 – Aug/07 Second Choice Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. Ju antra She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. Child Birth conception. Picked Sa antra. Ju antra Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 – Jun/09. Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: I would go with rectified time of 4:13. Ra antra didn’t give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. Child Birth: From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. Thank you, -Bella. - ashsam73 Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM Mails on list Dear Group,It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. Have everyone received /message/21508Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Dear Ash ji and Group, Updated one more time. Thank you, -Bella. - BPShiv Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM Re: Re: Mails on list Dear Ash ji and Group, Updated Analysis: Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female Answers: Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem. Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. Question Possible Answers Correct Answer Your Thoughts and Comments. Timing of marriage Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 Ju antra Conclusion: She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 – Aug/07 Second Choice Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. Ju antra She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. Child Birth conception. Picked Sa antra. Ju antra Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 – Jun/09. Pregnancy Problem Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 Ju antra Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. Seperation or Divorce Sa antra For Future reference Divorce or Separation: Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 – Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet. Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: I would go with rectified time of 4:13. Ra antra didn’t give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. Child Birth: From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. Seperation: Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. Thank you, -Bella. - ashsam73 Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM Re: Mails on list Dear Bella ji,If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid.Thanks,Cheers !!!Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca--- In , "BPShiv" <chandni_99 wrote:>> > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > Question> Possible Answers> Correct Answer> Your Thoughts and Comments.> > Timing of marriage> Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> Ju antra> Conclusion:> > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > Second Choice> Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > Ju antra> She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > Child Birth conception.> Picked Sa antra.> Ju antra> Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > Child Birth:> > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > Thank you,> > -Bella.> > > > > > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> Mails on list> > > > Dear Group,> > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > Have everyone received > > /message/21508> > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.> > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > Thanks,> Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Group, Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it now clear why the events happened when they happened? Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also might play a role. In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this chart too. I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult as well. In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other factors are in line. Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so first strong antra planet gave. For affair, i think all of you were in line. For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery. I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in regarding timing of event. Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, if you all feel such exercise are helpful. If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be utilized better doing something else? Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. Cheers !!! Ash , " BPShiv " <chandni_99 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > Updated one more time. > > Thank you, > -Bella. > > > - > BPShiv > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > Updated Analysis: > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > Answers: > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem. > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > Question > Possible Answers > Correct Answer > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > Timing of marriage > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > Ju antra > Conclusion: > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > Second Choice > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > Ju antra > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > Child Birth conception. > Picked Sa antra. > Ju antra > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > Pregnancy Problem > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > Ju antra > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. > > Seperation or Divorce > > > Sa antra > For Future reference > Divorce or Separation: > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet. > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > Child Birth: > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > Seperation: > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > Thank you, > > -Bella. > > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > Re: Mails on list > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid. > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " BPShiv " <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > Question > > Possible Answers > > Correct Answer > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > Timing of marriage > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > Ju antra > > Conclusion: > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > Second Choice > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > Ju antra > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > Child Birth conception. > > Picked Sa antra. > > Ju antra > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > Have everyone received > > > > /message/21508 > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Ash jiThank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful for learning.But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed .Waiting your guidesBest WishesHussein , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Group,> > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it now clear why the events happened when they happened?> > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson.> > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also might play a role.> > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this chart too. > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult as well. > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other factors are in line.> > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so first strong antra planet gave. > > For affair, i think all of you were in line.> > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery.> > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in regarding timing of event.> > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again.> > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, if you all feel such exercise are helpful.> > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference.> > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be utilized better doing something else?> > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience?> > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise.> > Cheers !!!> Ash > > > , "BPShiv" chandni_99@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > Updated one more time.> > > > Thank you,> > -Bella.> > > > > > - > > BPShiv > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM> > Re: Re: Mails on list> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > Updated Analysis:> > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female> > > > Answers:> > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008> > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery.> > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem.> > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > > > Question> > Possible Answers> > Correct Answer> > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > Timing of marriage> > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > Ju antra> > Conclusion:> > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > Second Choice> > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > Ju antra> > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > Child Birth conception.> > Picked Sa antra.> > Ju antra> > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > Pregnancy Problem> > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09> > Ju antra> > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra.> > > > Seperation or Divorce> > > > > > Sa antra> > For Future reference> > Divorce or Separation:> > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS.> > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet.> > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > > > > > > Child Birth:> > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Seperation:> > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse.> > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair.> > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa.> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > -Bella.> > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM> > Re: Mails on list> > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji,> > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid.> > > > Thanks,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > , "BPShiv" <chandni_99@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > > > > > > > > > Question> > > Possible Answers> > > Correct Answer> > > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > > > Timing of marriage> > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > > Ju antra> > > Conclusion:> > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > > > Second Choice> > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > Ju antra> > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > > > Child Birth conception.> > > Picked Sa antra.> > > Ju antra> > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth:> > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > -Bella.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> > > Mails on list> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > /message/21508> > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.> > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Hussein ji, Yes, the laws of KAS are like a line in stone, however the interpretation of them is where one has to practice on and gain experience and insight on. That will come by solving more and more charts like these. Even in lesson its given, when marriages happen in 6th lord or low power planets. Its given that when there are multiple marriages or divorce or no happiness , no children, then more chances are that marriage will happen in lowest points. Also, there are cases where marriages happen in highets points and then when low power planet comes they break. Haven't you also seen such things happening? Yes, I remember taking up one chart like that where in the person has 3 marriages. All the marriages took place in LoD or LoE only and then broke subsequenty. This is where practice comes into play. There is no easy solution for that except to practice and practice and slowly slowly you will begin to become perfect. I hope this helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Hussein " <ahahosien wrote: > > Dear Ash ji > > Thank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful > for learning. > > But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju > antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this > chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this > charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low > points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed . > Waiting your guides > Best Wishes > Hussein > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it > now clear why the events happened when they happened? > > > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or > high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the > points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is > that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in > a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. > > > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the > native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other > factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you > might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake > of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a > divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also > might play a role. > > > > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this > chart too. > > > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be > possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult > as well. > > > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if > marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points > then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next > event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other > factors are in line. > > > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have > pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, > and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so > first strong antra planet gave. > > > > For affair, i think all of you were in line. > > > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji > and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or > something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right > track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power > of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing > and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. > Even after surger 70% recovery. > > > > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in > regarding timing of event. > > > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. > > > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If > I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, > if you all feel such exercise are helpful. > > > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we > can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for > others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. > > > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it > worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be > utilized better doing something else? > > > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been > added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? > > > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " BPShiv " chandni_99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > Updated one more time. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > - > > > BPShiv > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > > > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > Updated Analysis: > > > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > > > > > Answers: > > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. > The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > > > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a > minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure > 70% of the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified > time. > > > > > > > > > Question > > > Possible Answers > > > Correct Answer > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > Ju antra > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > Second Choice > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > Ju antra > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > Ju antra > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > Pregnancy Problem > > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > > > Ju antra > > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having > only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health > issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be > miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. > > > > > > Seperation or Divorce > > > > > > > > > Sa antra > > > For Future reference > > > Divorce or Separation: > > > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve > is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - > Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve > being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher > power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during > the antra of lower power planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, > no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the > delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st > sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR > the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need > to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave > the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and > has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after > Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperation: > > > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for > divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to > seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is > very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a > clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. > > > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling > the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > > > Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > > > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might > be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological > problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about > health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the > reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about > any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your > reply in the grid. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " BPShiv " > <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > > Possible Answers > > > > Correct Answer > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > > Ju antra > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > > > Second Choice > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > > Ju antra > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > > Ju antra > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being > poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can > push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either > 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D > OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I > need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector > gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus > and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right > after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails > from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > > > > /message/21508 > > > > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it > will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very > clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned > are. > > > > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this > chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Dear Hussein ji, For example if you just see the points and focus on TIMING OF EVENT 1) Marriage happened in High points 2) Health problems, low points in 6th house and less in 8th I think it was in negative. 3) Period before marriage was strong for 5th and with ma and ve etc etc, making more chance for it. So again as far as timing goes, it gave. So the WS is giving the result as far as timing of events go. Is it not so? All of you, Nikhlesh ji, Prabha ji, Anup ji, Myself, Bella ji, Shalini ji and all others who might have studied the chart using KAS WS and might not have taken part, ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE USED THE EXACT SAME POWER. THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED. Therefore the rules become fixed. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT. Yes, now there is thought process that goes into selection, which depends on judgement and judgement depend on many factors like desh kaal paatra, nature of native, intellgence, education, family background, approach of the native in life overall, psychology, daring or not etc etc etc. You have to assemble all that and then decide and come to a conclusion. Cheers !!! Ash , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Hussein ji, > > Yes, the laws of KAS are like a line in stone, however the interpretation of them is where one has to practice on and gain experience and insight on. That will come by solving more and more charts like these. > > Even in lesson its given, when marriages happen in 6th lord or low power planets. Its given that when there are multiple marriages or divorce or no happiness , no children, then more chances are that marriage will happen in lowest points. > > Also, there are cases where marriages happen in highets points and then when low power planet comes they break. Haven't you also seen such things happening? > > Yes, I remember taking up one chart like that where in the person has 3 marriages. All the marriages took place in LoD or LoE only and then broke subsequenty. > > This is where practice comes into play. There is no easy solution for that except to practice and practice and slowly slowly you will begin to become perfect. > > I hope this helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " Hussein " <ahahosien@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > Thank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful > > for learning. > > > > But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju > > antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this > > chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this > > charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low > > points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed . > > Waiting your guides > > Best Wishes > > Hussein > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it > > now clear why the events happened when they happened? > > > > > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or > > high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the > > points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is > > that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in > > a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. > > > > > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the > > native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other > > factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you > > might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake > > of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a > > divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also > > might play a role. > > > > > > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this > > chart too. > > > > > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be > > possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult > > as well. > > > > > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if > > marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points > > then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next > > event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other > > factors are in line. > > > > > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have > > pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > > > > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, > > and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so > > first strong antra planet gave. > > > > > > For affair, i think all of you were in line. > > > > > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji > > and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or > > something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right > > track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power > > of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing > > and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. > > Even after surger 70% recovery. > > > > > > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in > > regarding timing of event. > > > > > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. > > > > > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If > > I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, > > if you all feel such exercise are helpful. > > > > > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we > > can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for > > others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. > > > > > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it > > worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be > > utilized better doing something else? > > > > > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been > > added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? > > > > > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , " BPShiv " chandni_99@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > > > Updated one more time. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > BPShiv > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > > > > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > > > Updated Analysis: > > > > > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > > > > > > > Answers: > > > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > > > > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. > > The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > > > > > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a > > minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure > > 70% of the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > > Possible Answers > > > > Correct Answer > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > > Ju antra > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due > > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > > > Second Choice > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > > Ju antra > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > > Ju antra > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > Pregnancy Problem > > > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > > > > Ju antra > > > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having > > only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health > > issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be > > miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. > > > > > > > > Seperation or Divorce > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa antra > > > > For Future reference > > > > Divorce or Separation: > > > > > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve > > is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - > > Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve > > being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > > > > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher > > power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during > > the antra of lower power planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, > > no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the > > delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st > > sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR > > the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need > > to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave > > the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and > > has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after > > Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperation: > > > > > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for > > divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to > > seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is > > very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > > > > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a > > clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. > > > > > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling > > the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > > > > Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > > > > > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might > > be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological > > problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about > > health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the > > reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about > > any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your > > reply in the grid. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " BPShiv " > > <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > > > Possible Answers > > > > > Correct Answer > > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due > > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > > > > > Second Choice > > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being > > poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can > > push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either > > 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D > > OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I > > need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector > > gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus > > and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right > > after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails > > from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > > > > > > > /message/21508 > > > > > > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > > > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it > > will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very > > clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned > > are. > > > > > > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this > > chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Ash jiThank you very much.Good explanation.But I have a question in my mind,It's about the role of Astrology in the life.As you told ,for predicting marriage we should consider many factors like desh kaal paatra, nature of native, intelligence, education, family background, approach of the native in life overall, psychology, daring or not etc etcOk,my question is that when we consider all these,then it doesn't need to use Astrology for predicting marriage.When we know all these,we can guess the marriage time of the person without Astrology.What is role of Astrology here?I mean by 2-3 simple question and having a conversation with the person,we know about desh,kaal,paatra,we can know the nature of the native,we can know the native's level in education,we can know about his(her) daring,and even test his(her)IQ and after these we can guess the time of his(her) marriage.What is the role of Astrology here?Whar differences are there between an Astrological prediction and a simple guess like that I told.Waiting your nice guides.Best WishesHussein , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Hussein ji,> > For example if you just see the points and focus on TIMING OF EVENT> > 1) Marriage happened in High points> 2) Health problems, low points in 6th house and less in 8th I think it was in negative.> 3) Period before marriage was strong for 5th and with ma and ve etc etc, making more chance for it. So again as far as timing goes, it gave.> > So the WS is giving the result as far as timing of events go. Is it not so? > > All of you, Nikhlesh ji, Prabha ji, Anup ji, Myself, Bella ji, Shalini ji and all others who might have studied the chart using KAS WS and might not have taken part, ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE USED THE EXACT SAME POWER. THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED. Therefore the rules become fixed. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT.> > Yes, now there is thought process that goes into selection, which depends on judgement and judgement depend on many factors like desh kaal paatra, nature of native, intellgence, education, family background, approach of the native in life overall, psychology, daring or not etc etc etc. You have to assemble all that and then decide and come to a conclusion.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "ashsam73" kas@ wrote:> >> > Dear Hussein ji,> > > > Yes, the laws of KAS are like a line in stone, however the interpretation of them is where one has to practice on and gain experience and insight on. That will come by solving more and more charts like these.> > > > Even in lesson its given, when marriages happen in 6th lord or low power planets. Its given that when there are multiple marriages or divorce or no happiness , no children, then more chances are that marriage will happen in lowest points.> > > > Also, there are cases where marriages happen in highets points and then when low power planet comes they break. Haven't you also seen such things happening? > > > > Yes, I remember taking up one chart like that where in the person has 3 marriages. All the marriages took place in LoD or LoE only and then broke subsequenty.> > > > This is where practice comes into play. There is no easy solution for that except to practice and practice and slowly slowly you will begin to become perfect.> > > > I hope this helps,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > , "Hussein" <ahahosien@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ash ji> > > > > > Thank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful> > > for learning.> > > > > > But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju> > > antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this> > > chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this> > > charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low> > > points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed .> > > Waiting your guides> > > Best Wishes> > > Hussein> > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Group,> > > >> > > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it> > > now clear why the events happened when they happened?> > > >> > > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or> > > high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the> > > points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is> > > that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in> > > a divorce. Other things are as per lesson.> > > >> > > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the> > > native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other> > > factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you> > > might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake> > > of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a> > > divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also> > > might play a role.> > > >> > > > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this> > > chart too.> > > >> > > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be> > > possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult> > > as well.> > > >> > > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if> > > marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points> > > then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next> > > event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other> > > factors are in line.> > > >> > > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have> > > pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you.> > > >> > > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay,> > > and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so> > > first strong antra planet gave.> > > >> > > > For affair, i think all of you were in line.> > > >> > > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji> > > and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or> > > something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right> > > track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power> > > of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing> > > and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery.> > > Even after surger 70% recovery.> > > >> > > > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in> > > regarding timing of event.> > > >> > > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again.> > > >> > > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If> > > I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it,> > > if you all feel such exercise are helpful.> > > >> > > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we> > > can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for> > > others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference.> > > >> > > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it> > > worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be> > > utilized better doing something else?> > > >> > > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been> > > added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience?> > > >> > > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise.> > > >> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >> > > >> > > > , "BPShiv" chandni_99@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > >> > > > > Updated one more time.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > > -Bella.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > BPShiv> > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM> > > > > Re: Re: Mails on list> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > >> > > > > Updated Analysis:> > > > >> > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female> > > > >> > > > > Answers:> > > > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008> > > > >> > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008.> > > The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery.> > > > >> > > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a> > > minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure> > > 70% of the problem.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified> > > time.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Question> > > > > Possible Answers> > > > > Correct Answer> > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > >> > > > > Timing of marriage> > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > Conclusion:> > > > >> > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due> > > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened> > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > >> > > > > Second Choice> > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09.> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > >> > > > > Child Birth conception.> > > > > Picked Sa antra.> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first> > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > >> > > > > Pregnancy Problem> > > > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having> > > only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health> > > issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be> > > miscarriage if she conceived in this antra.> > > > >> > > > > Seperation or Divorce> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sa antra> > > > > For Future reference> > > > > Divorce or Separation:> > > > >> > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve> > > is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero.> > > > >> > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 -> > > Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve> > > being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS.> > > > >> > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher> > > power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during> > > the antra of lower power planet.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the> > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > >> > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13.> > > > >> > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor,> > > no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the> > > delay further to Ju antra.> > > > >> > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st> > > sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR> > > the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need> > > to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > >> > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave> > > the result I would be glad.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Child Birth:> > > > >> > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > >> > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and> > > has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl.> > > > >> > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after> > > Ju antra.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Seperation:> > > > >> > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for> > > divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to> > > seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is> > > very important to visualize the chart of the spouse.> > > > >> > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a> > > clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair.> > > > >> > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling> > > the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > >> > > > > -Bella.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > ashsam73> > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM> > > > > Re: Mails on list> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bella ji,> > > > >> > > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might> > > be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological> > > problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about> > > health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the> > > reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about> > > any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your> > > reply in the grid.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > >> > > > > , "BPShiv"> > > <chandni_99@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > > > > >> > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified> > > time.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Question> > > > > > Possible Answers> > > > > > Correct Answer> > > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > Timing of marriage> > > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > > > > > Ju antra> > > > > > Conclusion:> > > > > >> > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due> > > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened> > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > > >> > > > > > Second Choice> > > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09.> > > > > > Ju antra> > > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > > >> > > > > > Child Birth conception.> > > > > > Picked Sa antra.> > > > > > Ju antra> > > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first> > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the> > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > > >> > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13.> > > > > >> > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being> > > poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can> > > push the delay further to Ju antra.> > > > > >> > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either> > > 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D> > > OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I> > > need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > > >> > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector> > > gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Child Birth:> > > > > >> > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > > >> > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus> > > and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl.> > > > > >> > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right> > > after Ju antra.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > >> > > > > > -Bella.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > ashsam73> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> > > > > > Mails on list> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > >> > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails> > > from the list have not reached their mail box.> > > > > >> > > > > > Have everyone received> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > /message/21508> > > > > >> > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > > > > >> > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it> > > will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very> > > clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned> > > are.> > > > > >> > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this> > > chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Hussein ji, You are asking what is the difference between Jyotish and Guess work? Read the preface, and think over Guru ji’s words. There are many people who I know do not study nor use Jyotish in their lives but are living happily, nor do they have the need to try to see what is in the future. They rely on their own effort and hard work. Why is Jyotish or all this knowledge required to begin with? Very nice question, and these questions will take you to the journey of getting to the core and then u will begin to realize Guru ji’s words. Good Good. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Hussein Thursday November 26, 2009 3:10 AM To: Subject: Re: Mails on list Dear Ash ji Thank you very much.Good explanation. But I have a question in my mind,It's about the role of Astrology in the life. As you told ,for predicting marriage we should consider many factors like desh kaal paatra, nature of native, intelligence, education, family background, approach of the native in life overall, psychology, daring or not etc etc Ok,my question is that when we consider all these,then it doesn't need to use Astrology for predicting marriage.When we know all these,we can guess the marriage time of the person without Astrology.What is role of Astrology here? I mean by 2-3 simple question and having a conversation with the person,we know about desh,kaal,paatra,we can know the nature of the native,we can know the native's level in education,we can know about his(her) daring,and even test his(her)IQ and after these we can guess the time of his(her) marriage. What is the role of Astrology here?Whar differences are there between an Astrological prediction and a simple guess like that I told. Waiting your nice guides. Best Wishes Hussein , " ashsam73 " < ;kas wrote: > > Dear Hussein ji, > > For example if you just see the points and focus on TIMING OF EVENT > > 1) Marriage happened in High points > 2) Health problems, low points in 6th house and less in 8th I think it was in negative. > 3) Period before marriage was strong for 5th and with ma and ve etc etc, making more chance for it. So again as far as timing goes, it gave. > > So the WS is giving the result as far as timing of events go. Is it not so? > > All of you, Nikhlesh ji, Prabha ji, Anup ji, Myself, Bella ji, Shalini ji and all others who might have studied the chart using KAS WS and might not have taken part, ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE USED THE EXACT SAME POWER. THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED. Therefore the rules become fixed. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT. > > Yes, now there is thought process that goes into selection, which depends on judgement and judgement depend on many facto rs like desh kaal paatra, nature of native, intellgence, education, family background, approach of the native in life overall, psychology, daring or not etc etc etc. You have to assemble all that and then decide and come to a conclusion. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " ashsam73 " kas@ wrote: > > > > Dear Hussein ji, > > > > Yes, the laws of KAS are like a line in stone, however the interpretation of them is where one has to practice on and gain experience and insight on. That will come by solving more and more charts like these. > > > > Even in lesson its given, when marriages happen in 6th lord or low power planets. Its given that when there are multiple marriages or divorce or no happiness , no children, then more chances are that marriage will happen in lowest points. > > > > Also, there are cases where marriages happen in highets points and then when low power planet comes they break. Haven't you also seen such things happening? > > > > Yes, I remember taking up one chart like that where in the person has 3 marriages. All the marriages took place in LoD or LoE only and then broke subsequenty. > > > > This is where practice comes into play. There is no easy solution for that except to practice and practice and slowly slowly you will begin to become perfect. > > > > I hope this helps, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , " Hussein " <ahahosien@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > Thank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful > > > for learning. > > > > > & g t; But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju > > > antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this > > > chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this > > > charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low > > > points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed . > > > Waiting your guides > > > Best Wishes > > > Hussein > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it > > > now clear why the events happened when they happened? > > > > > > > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or > > > high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the > > > points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is > > > that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in > > > a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. > > > > > > > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the > > > native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other > > > factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you > > > might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake > > > of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a > > > divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also > > > might play a role. > > > > > > > > In any cas e, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this > > > chart too. > > > > > > > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be > > > possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult > > > as well. > > > > > > > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if > > > marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points > > > then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next > > > event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other > > > factors are in line. > > > > > > > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have > > > pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > > > > > > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, > > > and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so > > > first strong antra planet gave. > > > > > > > > For affair, i think all of you were in line. > > > > > > > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji > > > and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or > > > something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right > > > track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power > > > of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing > > > and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. > > > Even after surger 70% recovery. > > > > > > > > I think each and every event is as per the WS a nd the power there in > > > regarding timing of event. > > > > > > > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. > > > > > > > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If > > > I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, > > > if you all feel such exercise are helpful. > > > > > > > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we > > > can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for > > > others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. > > > > > > > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it > > > worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be > > > utilized better doing something else? & gt; > > > > > > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been > > > added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? > > > > > > > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " BPShiv " chandni_99@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > Updated one more time. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > BPShiv > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > Updated Analysis: > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > > > > > > > > > Answers: > > > > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > > > > > > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. > > > The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > > > > > > ; > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a > > > minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure > > > 70% of the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > > > Possible Answers > > > > > Correct Answer > > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > & gt; > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due > > > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened > > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > > > > > Second Choice > > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first > > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > Pregnancy Problem > ; > > > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having > > > only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health > > > issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be > > > miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. > > > > > > > > > > Seperation or Divorce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa antra > > > > > For Future reference > > > > > Divorce or Separation: > > > > > > > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve > > > is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > > > > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - > > > Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve > > > being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > > > > > > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher > > > power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during > > > the antra of lower power planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the > > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, > > > no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the > > > delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st > > > sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR > > > the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need > > > to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave > > > the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > > > > > If w e look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and > > > has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after > > > Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperation: > > > > > > > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for > > > divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to > > > seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is > > > very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > > > > > > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a > > > clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marita l affair. > > > > > > > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling > > > the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > > > > > Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > > > > > > > > > If mem ory also serves me right, you also said that there might > > > be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological > > > problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about > > > health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the > > > reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about > > > any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your > > > reply in the grid. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , " BPShiv " > > > <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ; > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > > > > Possible Answers > > > > > > Correct Answer > > > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due > > > to strong blessings if the dela y is reduced event could have happened > > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > > > > > > > Second Choice > > > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > > > > Ju antra > > > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first > > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the > > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being > > > poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can > > > push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either > > > 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D > > > OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I > > > need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector > > > gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus > > > and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > ; > > > > > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right > > > after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > > > Mail s on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails > > > from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /message/21508 > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > > > > > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it > > > will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very< br>> > > clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned > > > are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this > > > chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Hussein ji, Here is my explanation through KAS. In this particular chart, Sa in 5th Hs so full delay. Now Sa is 14'35 in Leo Therefore delay is 26 yrs 3 months. So official Sa delay period will end aug 24 2005. Now Jun 18 2005 to Jan 17 2006 Ma antra is running. Ma aspects Hs B. Then comes Ra antra. Ra is represents sign Lo Su and Nakshatra Lo Ve. Now Su has 2 bindus for 5th Hs where as Ve has 4 bindus. Ra is more like Ve. This Ve has very low points in WS. Therefore Ra cannot furnish the result. After that comes Ju antra and Ju being LoE and very powerful.......gave the result. Thank you, -Bella. - Hussein Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:09 AM Re: Mails on list Dear Ash jiThank you very much.Good explanation.But I have a question in my mind,It's about the role of Astrology in the life.As you told ,for predicting marriage we should consider many factors like desh kaal paatra, nature of native, intelligence, education, family background, approach of the native in life overall, psychology, daring or not etc etcOk,my question is that when we consider all these,then it doesn't need to use Astrology for predicting marriage.When we know all these,we can guess the marriage time of the person without Astrology.What is role of Astrology here?I mean by 2-3 simple question and having a conversation with the person,we know about desh,kaal,paatra,we can know the nature of the native,we can know the native's level in education,we can know about his(her) daring,and even test his(her)IQ and after these we can guess the time of his(her) marriage.What is the role of Astrology here?Whar differences are there between an Astrological prediction and a simple guess like that I told.Waiting your nice guides.Best WishesHussein , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Hussein ji,> > For example if you just see the points and focus on TIMING OF EVENT> > 1) Marriage happened in High points> 2) Health problems, low points in 6th house and less in 8th I think it was in negative.> 3) Period before marriage was strong for 5th and with ma and ve etc etc, making more chance for it. So again as far as timing goes, it gave.> > So the WS is giving the result as far as timing of events go. Is it not so? > > All of you, Nikhlesh ji, Prabha ji, Anup ji, Myself, Bella ji, Shalini ji and all others who might have studied the chart using KAS WS and might not have taken part, ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE USED THE EXACT SAME POWER. THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED. Therefore the rules become fixed. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT.> > Yes, now there is thought process that goes into selection, which depends on judgement and judgement depend on many factors like desh kaal paatra, nature of native, intellgence, education, family background, approach of the native in life overall, psychology, daring or not etc etc etc. You have to assemble all that and then decide and come to a conclusion.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "ashsam73" kas@ wrote:> >> > Dear Hussein ji,> > > > Yes, the laws of KAS are like a line in stone, however the interpretation of them is where one has to practice on and gain experience and insight on. That will come by solving more and more charts like these.> > > > Even in lesson its given, when marriages happen in 6th lord or low power planets. Its given that when there are multiple marriages or divorce or no happiness , no children, then more chances are that marriage will happen in lowest points.> > > > Also, there are cases where marriages happen in highets points and then when low power planet comes they break. Haven't you also seen such things happening? > > > > Yes, I remember taking up one chart like that where in the person has 3 marriages. All the marriages took place in LoD or LoE only and then broke subsequenty.> > > > This is where practice comes into play. There is no easy solution for that except to practice and practice and slowly slowly you will begin to become perfect.> > > > I hope this helps,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > , "Hussein" <ahahosien@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ash ji> > > > > > Thank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful> > > for learning.> > > > > > But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju> > > antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this> > > chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this> > > charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low> > > points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed .> > > Waiting your guides> > > Best Wishes> > > Hussein> > > > > > , "ashsam73" <kas@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Group,> > > >> > > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it> > > now clear why the events happened when they happened?> > > >> > > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or> > > high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the> > > points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is> > > that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in> > > a divorce. Other things are as per lesson.> > > >> > > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the> > > native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other> > > factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you> > > might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake> > > of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a> > > divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also> > > might play a role.> > > >> > > > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this> > > chart too.> > > >> > > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be> > > possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult> > > as well.> > > >> > > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if> > > marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points> > > then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next> > > event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other> > > factors are in line.> > > >> > > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have> > > pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you.> > > >> > > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay,> > > and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so> > > first strong antra planet gave.> > > >> > > > For affair, i think all of you were in line.> > > >> > > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji> > > and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or> > > something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right> > > track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power> > > of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing> > > and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery.> > > Even after surger 70% recovery.> > > >> > > > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in> > > regarding timing of event.> > > >> > > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again.> > > >> > > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If> > > I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it,> > > if you all feel such exercise are helpful.> > > >> > > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we> > > can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for> > > others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference.> > > >> > > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it> > > worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be> > > utilized better doing something else?> > > >> > > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been> > > added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience?> > > >> > > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise.> > > >> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >> > > >> > > > , "BPShiv" chandni_99@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > >> > > > > Updated one more time.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > > -Bella.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > BPShiv> > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM> > > > > Re: Re: Mails on list> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > >> > > > > Updated Analysis:> > > > >> > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female> > > > >> > > > > Answers:> > > > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008> > > > >> > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008.> > > The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery.> > > > >> > > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a> > > minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure> > > 70% of the problem.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified> > > time.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Question> > > > > Possible Answers> > > > > Correct Answer> > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > >> > > > > Timing of marriage> > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > Conclusion:> > > > >> > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due> > > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened> > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > >> > > > > Second Choice> > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09.> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > >> > > > > Child Birth conception.> > > > > Picked Sa antra.> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first> > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > >> > > > > Pregnancy Problem> > > > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09> > > > > Ju antra> > > > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having> > > only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health> > > issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be> > > miscarriage if she conceived in this antra.> > > > >> > > > > Seperation or Divorce> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sa antra> > > > > For Future reference> > > > > Divorce or Separation:> > > > >> > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve> > > is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero.> > > > >> > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 -> > > Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve> > > being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS.> > > > >> > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher> > > power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during> > > the antra of lower power planet.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the> > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > >> > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13.> > > > >> > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor,> > > no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the> > > delay further to Ju antra.> > > > >> > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st> > > sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR> > > the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need> > > to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > >> > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave> > > the result I would be glad.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Child Birth:> > > > >> > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > >> > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and> > > has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl.> > > > >> > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after> > > Ju antra.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Seperation:> > > > >> > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for> > > divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to> > > seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is> > > very important to visualize the chart of the spouse.> > > > >> > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a> > > clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair.> > > > >> > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling> > > the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > >> > > > > -Bella.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > ashsam73> > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM> > > > > Re: Mails on list> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bella ji,> > > > >> > > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might> > > be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological> > > problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about> > > health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the> > > reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about> > > any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your> > > reply in the grid.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > >> > > > > , "BPShiv"> > > <chandni_99@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > > > > >> > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified> > > time.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Question> > > > > > Possible Answers> > > > > > Correct Answer> > > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > > >> > > > > > Timing of marriage> > > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > > > > > Ju antra> > > > > > Conclusion:> > > > > >> > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due> > > to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened> > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > > >> > > > > > Second Choice> > > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09.> > > > > > Ju antra> > > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > > >> > > > > > Child Birth conception.> > > > > > Picked Sa antra.> > > > > > Ju antra> > > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first> > > sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the> > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > > >> > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13.> > > > > >> > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being> > > poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can> > > push the delay further to Ju antra.> > > > > >> > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either> > > 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D> > > OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I> > > need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > > >> > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector> > > gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Child Birth:> > > > > >> > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > > >> > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus> > > and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl.> > > > > >> > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right> > > after Ju antra.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > >> > > > > > -Bella.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > ashsam73> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> > > > > > Mails on list> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > >> > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails> > > from the list have not reached their mail box.> > > > > >> > > > > > Have everyone received> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > /message/21508> > > > > >> > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > > > > >> > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it> > > will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very> > > clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned> > > are.> > > > > >> > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this> > > chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, I understand a bit what busy actually means..... My comments are as below. ---nice experience ---now it looks group which is live ---helps much to grasp faster ---and finally nothing to say for moderators ----great judge ---chart still have many questions hidden with it ...nice if we can share them to group as well ------------------ Regards, Devisingh ashsam73 wrote: Dear Group, Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it now clear why the events happened when they happened? Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also might play a role. In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this chart too. I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult as well. In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other factors are in line. Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so first strong antra planet gave. For affair, i think all of you were in line. For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery. I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in regarding timing of event. Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, if you all feel such exercise are helpful. If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be utilized better doing something else? Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. Cheers !!! Ash , "BPShiv" <chandni_99 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > Updated one more time. > > Thank you, > -Bella. > > > - > BPShiv > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > Updated Analysis: > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > Answers: > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem. > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > Question > Possible Answers > Correct Answer > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > Timing of marriage > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > Ju antra > Conclusion: > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > Second Choice > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > Ju antra > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > Child Birth conception. > Picked Sa antra. > Ju antra > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > Pregnancy Problem > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > Ju antra > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. > > Seperation or Divorce > > > Sa antra > For Future reference > Divorce or Separation: > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet. > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > Child Birth: > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > Seperation: > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > Thank you, > > -Bella. > > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > Re: Mails on list > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid. > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , "BPShiv" <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > Question > > Possible Answers > > Correct Answer > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > Timing of marriage > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > Ju antra > > Conclusion: > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > Second Choice > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > Ju antra > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > Child Birth conception. > > Picked Sa antra. > > Ju antra > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > Have everyone received > > > > /message/21508 > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Ash ji, This was a wonderful experience. I think I would learn more from this live dialogues and discussion with the group. I understand you are very busy but whenever you come across a chart, please present it to the group and I will be glad to participate as a student. Looking forward for another exercise soon. Thank you very much, -Bella. - ashsam73 Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:13 PM Re: Mails on list Dear Group,Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it now clear why the events happened when they happened?Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson.The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also might play a role.In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this chart too. I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult as well. In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other factors are in line.Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so first strong antra planet gave. For affair, i think all of you were in line.For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery.I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in regarding timing of event.Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again.I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, if you all feel such exercise are helpful.If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference.Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be utilized better doing something else?Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience?Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise.Cheers !!!Ash , "BPShiv" <chandni_99 wrote:>> Dear Ash ji and Group,> > Updated one more time.> > Thank you,> -Bella.> > > - > BPShiv > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM> Re: Re: Mails on list> > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > Updated Analysis:> > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female> > Answers:> Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008> > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery.> > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem.> > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > Question> Possible Answers> Correct Answer> Your Thoughts and Comments.> > Timing of marriage> Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> Ju antra> Conclusion:> > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > Second Choice> Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > Ju antra> She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > Child Birth conception.> Picked Sa antra.> Ju antra> Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > Pregnancy Problem> Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09> Ju antra> Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra.> > Seperation or Divorce> > > Sa antra> For Future reference> Divorce or Separation:> > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS.> > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet.> > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > Child Birth:> > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > Seperation:> > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse.> > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair.> > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa.> > > Thank you,> > -Bella.> > > - > ashsam73 > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM> Re: Mails on list> > > > Dear Bella ji,> > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid.> > Thanks,> Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > , "BPShiv" <chandni_99@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > > > > > Question> > Possible Answers> > Correct Answer> > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > Timing of marriage> > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > Ju antra> > Conclusion:> > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > Second Choice> > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > Ju antra> > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > Child Birth conception.> > Picked Sa antra.> > Ju antra> > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > > > > Child Birth:> > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > -Bella.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> > Mails on list> > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > Have everyone received > > > > /message/21508> > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.> > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > > > Thanks,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Bella ji, A couple of thoughts on 2nd sector. 1) Ju is very eager and is SD to delay causing planet. So it can give in 1st sector. Its LoE in House D so very eager. 2) At the same time Ju is also in Libra in Navamsa. So here its status is spoilt. So that might be the cause for it to cause some delay within the sector. Now THAT SAID, Ju also observe that native is born in Venus MD so a small change in time will change the dashas a lot. Marriage happened towards End Jan 2008 and the 1st sector got over on 28th Dec so 1 month difference. Then keep in mind the 13 days difference is possible. Lastly, Mahurat factor as well as this chart is that from India. Just some thoughts, rather observations. Cheers !!! Ash , " BPShiv " <chandni_99 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, > > This was a wonderful experience. I think I would learn more from this live dialogues and discussion with the group. > > I understand you are very busy but whenever you come across a chart, please present it to the group and I will be glad to participate as a student. Looking forward for another exercise soon. > > > Thank you very much, > -Bella. > > > - > ashsam73 > > Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:13 PM > Re: Mails on list > > > > Dear Group, > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it now clear why the events happened when they happened? > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also might play a role. > > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this chart too. > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult as well. > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other factors are in line. > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so first strong antra planet gave. > > For affair, i think all of you were in line. > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery. > > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in regarding timing of event. > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, if you all feel such exercise are helpful. > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be utilized better doing something else? > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " BPShiv " <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > Updated one more time. > > > > Thank you, > > -Bella. > > > > > > - > > BPShiv > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > Updated Analysis: > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > > > Answers: > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem. > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > Question > > Possible Answers > > Correct Answer > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > Timing of marriage > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > Ju antra > > Conclusion: > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > Second Choice > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > Ju antra > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > Child Birth conception. > > Picked Sa antra. > > Ju antra > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > Pregnancy Problem > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > > Ju antra > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. > > > > Seperation or Divorce > > > > > > Sa antra > > For Future reference > > Divorce or Separation: > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet. > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Seperation: > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > > Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid. > > > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " BPShiv " <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > Possible Answers > > > Correct Answer > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > Ju antra > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > Second Choice > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > Ju antra > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > Ju antra > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > /message/21508 > > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. > > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear DeviSingh ji, Why do you think i am asking to organize these and put it in the file section. That is precicely so that, as knowledge grows and when u revisit, maybe you will be able to answer your own questions :-). Cheers !!! Ash , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear Ash Ji, > > I understand a bit what busy actually means..... > My comments are as below. > ---nice experience > ---now it looks group which is live > ---helps much to grasp faster > ---and finally nothing to say for moderators ----great judge > ---chart still have many questions hidden with it ...nice if we can > share them to group as well > > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it > > now clear why the events happened when they happened? > > > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or > > high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the > > points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is > > that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result > > in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. > > > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the > > native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other > > factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you > > might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the > > sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe > > in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc > > etc also might play a role. > > > > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this > > chart too. > > > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be > > possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more > > difficult as well. > > > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if > > marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points > > then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next > > event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other > > factors are in line. > > > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have > > pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, > > and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so > > first strong antra planet gave. > > > > For affair, i think all of you were in line. > > > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji > > and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth > > or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right > > track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power > > of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t > > timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower > > recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery. > > > > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in > > regarding timing of event. > > > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. > > > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I > > do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, > > if you all feel such exercise are helpful. > > > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we > > can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for > > others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. > > > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it > > worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be > > utilized better doing something else? > > > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been > > added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? > > > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > <%40>, " BPShiv " > > <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > Updated one more time. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > - > > > BPShiv > > > > > <%40> > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > > > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > Updated Analysis: > > > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > > > > > Answers: > > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. > > The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > > > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a > > minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure > > 70% of the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > > Question > > > Possible Answers > > > Correct Answer > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > Ju antra > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to > > strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > Second Choice > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > Ju antra > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > Ju antra > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. > > The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > Pregnancy Problem > > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > > > Ju antra > > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts > > could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues > > during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage > > if she conceived in this antra. > > > > > > Seperation or Divorce > > > > > > > > > Sa antra > > > For Future reference > > > Divorce or Separation: > > > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with > > Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as > > 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being > > spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power > > planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the > > antra of lower power planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates > > to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no > > blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the > > delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st > > sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR > > the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I > > need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave > > the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has > > low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju > > antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperation: > > > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for > > divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to > > seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is > > very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a > > clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. > > > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the > > karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > <%40> > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > > > Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > > > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be > > problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems > > that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, > > and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the > > reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about > > any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to > > your reply in the grid. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > > <%40>, " BPShiv " > > <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > > Possible Answers > > > > Correct Answer > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > > Ju antra > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to > > strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened > > during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > > > Second Choice > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > > Ju antra > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > > Ju antra > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. > > The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the > > dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, > > no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push > > the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st > > sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR > > the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I > > need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave > > the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and > > has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after > > Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > <%40> > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from > > the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > > > > > /message/21508 > > </message/21508> > > > > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it > > will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very > > clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons > > learned are. > > > > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this > > chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Hussein ji, Here is what I think. Even though the karaks are spoilt and marriage happiness is not there, still LoD and LoE is always very powerful to give the result IF the delay period is over. So as far as timing, it will happen. Now based on this chart, if the delay period was over and if the antra running was 6th Lo or the lowest significator, still the event would have happened due to quality being so poor but than there would have been more reasons for separation or break in the chart. But, that said, it still could be rocky in the period of Me antra which is 6th Lo from Jun 2010 to Nov 2011. because marriage happened with highest power. As Ash ji, always says we have to keep DKP in mind, the problems will still surface and could be a love less marriage and can keep going based on compromise. Also, to overlap spouses chart and visualize the quality of his chart is equally important. Thank you, -Bella. - Hussein Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:48 PM Re: Mails on list Dear Ash jiThank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful for learning.But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed .Waiting your guidesBest WishesHussein , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Group,> > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it now clear why the events happened when they happened?> > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson.> > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also might play a role.> > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this chart too. > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult as well. > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other factors are in line.> > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so first strong antra planet gave. > > For affair, i think all of you were in line.> > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery.> > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in regarding timing of event.> > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again.> > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, if you all feel such exercise are helpful.> > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference.> > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be utilized better doing something else?> > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience?> > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise.> > Cheers !!!> Ash > > > , "BPShiv" chandni_99@ wrote:> >> > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > Updated one more time.> > > > Thank you,> > -Bella.> > > > > > - > > BPShiv > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM> > Re: Re: Mails on list> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group,> > > > Updated Analysis:> > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female> > > > Answers:> > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008> > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery.> > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem.> > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > > > Question> > Possible Answers> > Correct Answer> > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > Timing of marriage> > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > Ju antra> > Conclusion:> > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > Second Choice> > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > Ju antra> > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > Child Birth conception.> > Picked Sa antra.> > Ju antra> > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > Pregnancy Problem> > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09> > Ju antra> > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra.> > > > Seperation or Divorce> > > > > > Sa antra> > For Future reference> > Divorce or Separation:> > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS.> > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet.> > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > > > > > > Child Birth:> > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Seperation:> > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse.> > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair.> > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa.> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > -Bella.> > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM> > Re: Mails on list> > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji,> > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid.> > > > Thanks,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > , "BPShiv" <chandni_99@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members,> > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time.> > > > > > > > > > > > Question> > > Possible Answers> > > Correct Answer> > > Your Thoughts and Comments.> > > > > > Timing of marriage> > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10> > > Ju antra> > > Conclusion:> > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07> > > > > > Second Choice> > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > Ju antra> > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07.> > > > > > Child Birth conception.> > > Picked Sa antra.> > > Ju antra> > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage:> > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector?> > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad.> > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth:> > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa.> > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > -Bella.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM> > > Mails on list> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group,> > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > /message/21508> > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied?> > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are.> > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Group, If memory serves me correctly, in Brihat Jataka its given by Varharamihira that all the laws are to be applied with intellegence. Thats given somewhere in the first few chapters if memory serves me correctly. Actually in KAS we study so many more things, hands, the face, the way one walks, talks, the signature, the way one approaches the jyotish, etc etc etc. All these things WILL MATCH in the birth. That is SCIENCE. In any case, that is beyond the scope for Timing of Events. But just to give an idea. Cheers !!! Ash , " BPShiv " <chandni_99 wrote: > > Dear Hussein ji, > > Here is what I think. > > Even though the karaks are spoilt and marriage happiness is not there, still LoD and LoE is always very powerful to give the result IF the delay period is over. So as far as timing, it will happen. > > Now based on this chart, if the delay period was over and if the antra running was 6th Lo or the lowest significator, still the event would have happened due to quality being so poor but than there would have been more reasons for separation or break in the chart. > > But, that said, it still could be rocky in the period of Me antra which is 6th Lo from Jun 2010 to Nov 2011. because marriage happened with highest power. > > As Ash ji, always says we have to keep DKP in mind, the problems will still surface and could be a love less marriage and can keep going based on compromise. Also, to overlap spouses chart and visualize the quality of his chart is equally important. > > Thank you, > -Bella. > > - > Hussein > > Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:48 PM > Re: Mails on list > > > > Dear Ash ji > > Thank you very much for giving these good charts.They will be so useful for learning. > > But really I couldn't understand why marriage has taken place in Ju antra?Karaks are spoiled,no strong blessing,... .As per KAS rule this chart shows unhappiness for marriage.We can see some charts with this charactristics which marriage has taken place in a planet with low points in WS.As you told the rules of KAS are fixed . > Waiting your guides > Best Wishes > Hussein > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > > > Are the answers clear, between all of you and your discussions, is it now clear why the events happened when they happened? > > > > Yes, now to pick the correct antra whether it will be in low points or high points, in that case, for matters like divorce, 2 or 3 of the points given in the divorce lesson must match or the essence of it is that the degree of problems if they are a lot then that might result in a divorce. Other things are as per lesson. > > > > The Desh, kaal and paatra principles also must be seen. Study the native's psychology, nature, individuality, 6:8's, 2:12, and other factors to gauge if there might be a divorce or not. Sometimes you might find couples in a love-less marriage staying together for the sake of their children or maybe their relegious beliefs do not believe in a divorce etc etc. The impact of parents, society, relatives etc etc also might play a role. > > > > In any case, keeping the above factors in mind, just think over this chart too. > > > > I agree, with the data that I gave, judging all the above might not be possible, and also without seeing the person makes things more difficult as well. > > > > In this chart, somewhere its written that for a female chart, if marriage happens in 4th lord of planet in 4th house with more points then such an antra can also give child birth. LoD becomes LoE for next event. 4th is LoD for 7th and 4th is LoE for 11th. Provided other factors are in line. > > > > Points about lack of happiness or less happiness all of you have pointed out so that is good and congratulations to all of you. > > > > Marriage, too i think after re-visiting your replies, there is delay, and there after the delay is also due to antra having less power so first strong antra planet gave. > > > > For affair, i think all of you were in line. > > > > For Health problems, the power in 6th house was less and Nikhlesh ji and Bella ji both honed in on some problems either during child birth or something after child birth. It means both of you were on the right track. Now to confirm this, also you can see the WS. check the power of Ju in 8th house. I think that will confirm some problem w.r.t timing and at the same time 6th power was also less indicating slower recovery. Even after surger 70% recovery. > > > > I think each and every event is as per the WS and the power there in regarding timing of event. > > > > Very nice attempt all of you and congratulations once again. > > > > I am getting very busy with my work and professional commitments. If I do find another good chart with some important point, I shall give it, if you all feel such exercise are helpful. > > > > If anyone who has time, if they want to organize all the answers, we can collect the same and put that document up in the file section for others to review and practice or will serve as a ready reference. > > > > Let me know your thoughts regarding such exercise did you find it worth while or did u all think it was a waste of time and it could be utilized better doing something else? > > > > Also give your suggestions as to what you all feel should have been added or deleted or any points that would have enhanced this experience? > > > > Thanks and well done all of those who attempted this exercise. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " BPShiv " chandni_99@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > Updated one more time. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > - > > > BPShiv > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 1:57 PM > > > Re: Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group, > > > > > > Updated Analysis: > > > > > > Birth Chart Info: May24 1979 4:13am 28N40 77E13 - Female > > > > > > Answers: > > > Marriage happened on 27th Jan 2008 > > > > > > Child birth was on Oct 2008. Therefore conception about Jan 2008. The birth of a baby girl on 24th Oct 2008 and it was normal delivery. > > > > > > However she faced some Gynecology problems and had to go though a minor surgery on 24th Nov 2008. She had written that that might cure 70% of the problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > > Question > > > Possible Answers > > > Correct Answer > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > Ju antra > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > Second Choice > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > Ju antra > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > Ju antra > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > Pregnancy Problem > > > Ju antra msg date of 10/27/09 > > > Ju antra > > > Ju is samdharmi to Sa and Sa is LoE for 6th Hs, Ju having only 9 pts could cause some problem. She could have faced some health issues during Ju antra which is Aug 07 - Dec/08. It could also be miscarriage if she conceived in this antra. > > > > > > Seperation or Divorce > > > > > > > > > Sa antra > > > For Future reference > > > Divorce or Separation: > > > > > > Jup in Libra. 2nd Hs is spoilt. Ve is in 12th from 2nd. Ve is with Ma. Sa aspects luminaries. Overall quality is zero. > > > > > > There might be a break in marriage in Sa antra Dec/08 - Jul/10 as 6th Lo is in Sa navamsa and also Sa is samdharmi to Ve, Ve being spoilt, in 12th from 2nd and Ve has low points in WS. > > > > > > As we know that if marriage happened in LoD or LoE or higher power planet but if the quality is not good then it might break during the antra of lower power planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperation: > > > > > > Here I could very well be wrong as there are no direct hits for divorce but indirectly there are lot of points that could lead her to seperation specially marriage quality being very unhappy. Again it is very important to visualize the chart of the spouse. > > > > > > Because 7th Hs total points are high in WS, even if there is not a clean break in relationship, there could still be extra marital affair. > > > > > > Even after Sa antra, comes Me. Me is 6th lord in 2nd Hs spoiling the karak sthan placed with high bindus and 10th place from Sa. > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 9:15 AM > > > Re: Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bella ji, > > > > > > If memory also serves me right, you also said that there might be problems with child birth but here it was some gyneacological problems that arose. So also kindly update you chart to indicate about health, and other factors you wrote. That is also important and also the reasons why you felt that could happen. Also if you have written about any health issues as well, please put that as well or appened it to your reply in the grid. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " BPShiv " <chandni_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji and Group members, > > > > > > > > Here was my answer time 4:10 not rectified and 4:13 rectified time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question > > > > Possible Answers > > > > Correct Answer > > > > Your Thoughts and Comments. > > > > > > > > Timing of marriage > > > > Ju antra as of my msg sent on 10/26/09. Time 4:10 > > > > Ju antra > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > She should have been married in between Aug/07-Dec/08 or due to strong blessings if the delay is reduced event could have happened during the end of Ra antra: Feb/07 - Aug/07 > > > > > > > > Second Choice > > > > Ra antra picking another antra msg date as of 11/01/09. > > > > Ju antra > > > > She should have been married in between Jan/07-Jul/07. > > > > > > > > Child Birth conception. > > > > Picked Sa antra. > > > > Ju antra > > > > Sa being LoE. Dec/08 to Jul/10. No delay so could be first sector. The conception time could be in between Dec/08 - Jun/09. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that the dates are provided by Ash ji, in reference to the dates to answer WHY Ju antra and not Ra antra gave marriage: > > > > > > > > I would go with rectified time of 4:13. > > > > > > > > Ra antra didn't give marriage because I think quality being poor, no blessings and complete Sa delay. Also Sa being in 5th Hs can push the delay further to Ju antra. > > > > > > > > Selection of antra, I would have still have gone for either 1st sector because Ju is very very eager being LoE and sitting in Hs D OR the 3rd sector as there is complete Sa delay and Sa in 5th Hs. So I need to work on this one and see why second sector? > > > > > > > > If anybody would want to shed some light as to why 2nd sector gave the result I would be glad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Child Birth: > > > > > > > > From the 5th Hs Sa is LoE and Ju is samdharmi to Sa. > > > > > > > > If we look from 11th HS, Ju is sitting in Hs E with 5 bindus and has low points in the work sheet hence it is a baby girl. > > > > > > > > I said Sa antra as Sa is LoE for the 5th and followed right after Ju antra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > -Bella. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 7:47 AM > > > > Mails on list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > It has been brought to my attention, that some of the mails from the list have not reached their mail box. > > > > > > > > Have everyone received > > > > > > > > /message/21508 > > > > > > > > Only Hussein ji and Prabha ji have replied? > > > > > > > > My request is to try to follow the format that I had given, it will be useful from the point of members to read and it will be very clear to identify where one has gone wrong and what the lessons learned are. > > > > > > > > Let us finish this exercise so that the salient points of this chart are nailed down and everyone is on the same page. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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