Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian)16th April 2010 Dear Members. Predicting Marriage for a native: We are going to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in the marriageable age. The following are the birth details. Chart is of a male member. Date of Birth 4th May, 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 Planet Degrees Nakshatra Lord As 7 Ge 25 Ardra Ra Su 21 Ar 7 Bharani Ve Mo 26 Ta 23 Mrigashira Ma MaR 0 Sc 36 Visakha Ju MeR 3 Ar 39 Aswini Ke JuR 20 Sg 12 P.Asadha Ve Ve 9 Ar 39 Aswini Ke SaR 20 Li 17 Visakha Ju Ra 15 Ta 13 Rohini Mo Ke 15 Sc 13 Anuradha Sa The birth time of the native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. The first thing that strikes the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and Sun have low points. So when we look into the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: From Rasi Chart: 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. 3. Sun Lord and its 7th lord are again in 6:8 position. From Navamsa Chart: 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are again in 8:6 position. 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one will try to dominate the other. 3. Sun Lord and its 7th Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. Now let us turn to the Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both by Saturn and Jupiter. Next is the Functional Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. The SAV points for the 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than 28. One more thing to be seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is to get some deficiency. Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going to be a bed of roses. In this chart 4 planets are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or aspect. Now let us turn towards timing of marriage. The position of Saturn in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 months. There is no Jupiter Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of marriage is ripe now. Now let us turn to the worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will be more eager to give the results. The current Antara that is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends on 21st July 2011. Saturn is neither LoD nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. The next Antara is that of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of Mercury Antara. Uptil now, members if they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. The real question I want to ask the members is this. Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? There is a reason behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be glad to have your views on this. Regards Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Can you provide more events for this person? Why haven't you considered marriage in current Saturn period, 3rd sector? There does not seem to be a happy marriage in this case, and Saturn with less than 12 points for the 7th house can give marriage. I am curious to know your thoughts. Nir. , " yenbeeyes_radha " <yenbeeyes wrote: > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > 16th April 2010 > > Dear Members. > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > We are going to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a > male native who is in the marriageable age. > > The following are the birth details. Chart is of a male member. > > Date of Birth 4th May, 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST > -5:30 > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > Planet Degrees Nakshatra Lord As 7 Ge 25 Ardra Ra > Su 21 Ar 7 Bharani Ve Mo 26 Ta 23 Mrigashira Ma > MaR 0 Sc 36 Visakha Ju MeR 3 Ar 39 Aswini Ke JuR > 20 Sg 12 P.Asadha Ve Ve 9 Ar 39 Aswini Ke SaR 20 > Li 17 Visakha Ju Ra 15 Ta 13 Rohini Mo Ke 15 Sc > 13 Anuradha Sa > > > The birth time of the native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > tested it when the native was about to finish his post graduation and > analysed it for job placement. > > > > The first thing that strikes the mind in the chart is the placement of > Saturn in the 5th house in Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement > of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While the first will be contributing > towards delay of the marriage, the second thing is going to disturb the > family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV and also because > the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 degrees, we > can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not applicable. > This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th as well as > the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus and Saturn have low points. > For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and Sun have low points. > > > > So when we look into the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is > like this: > > From Rasi Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good > result out of marriage. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the > relationship would be moderate but one will try to dominate the other. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the > relationship would be tolerable. > > > > Now let us turn to the Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is > with Sun and Mercury. The distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 > degrees and hence it is not combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn > (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic aspect). Jupiter is the only planet > that can control Venus, but here since the aspect is malefic, he has no > say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. Further Venus is in the > constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by Mars (the 6th Lord) > and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being aspected by both Saturn > and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into account, we can say > Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have only 4 bindus > and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact that Mars > is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th house itself. > Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a benefic > if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect > much. In addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in > both Rasi and Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at > least moderately both by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > Next is the Functional Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). > Being placed in the 12th, it may increase the value of the 12th house. > But he is conjoined with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus > than Moon (in whose constellation he is placed) due to more AV points > for Venus for the 12th house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again > getting the aspect of 6th Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not > disturbed. So we can conclude that overall the Functional karaka is > afflicted. > > > > The SAV points for the 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than 28. > > > > One more thing to be seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite > house Lord Mercury is having a 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the > result of house B viz. marriage house is to get some deficiency. > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going to be a > bed of roses. > > > > In this chart 4 planets are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and > Saturn. Hence all these are going to enhance the results and all of them > are connected with house B by placement or aspect. > > > > Now let us turn towards timing of marriage. > > The position of Saturn in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa > contribute to full delay. However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in > Navamsa can moderate the delay. Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal > Chart and hence for the delay to be over Saturn has to travel 10 degree > in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months from the full delay of 27 > years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 months. > > > > There is no Jupiter Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other > delay is possible. The native as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. > Even if we do not give any allowance for the moderation of delay caused > by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after Jan., 2011. If we are to > consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the minimum of 2 years, > the period is already over. Hence the period for time of marriage is > ripe now. > > > > Now let us turn to the worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, > Mercury, Moon, Mars are the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 > and 12 respectively. So any one of the 4 planets can give the result. > LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will be more eager to give the > results. > > > > The current Antara that is running is that of Saturn and the total > duration is 13-11-2009 to 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by > Jupiter, the event is likely to happen in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. > The 2nd part begins from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends on 21st July 2011. > > > > Saturn is neither LoD nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for > the 7th house. Mars is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > Navamsa of Mars. Mars having 12 points in the worksheet can give the > marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. However he is placed in his own house > in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in the 12th house from B, hence it > cannot give good results (a Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house > from B cannot give good results). More importantly since Saturn is > aspecting all the significating houses, a favourable result cannot be > expected during his sub period. > > > > The next Antara is that of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high > points in worksheet. Hence no doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final > decider. Mercury does not also aspect any of the significating houses. > Marriage may take place in the first part of Mercury Antara. > > > > Uptil now, members if they want to contribute or dispute some of the > points are welcome. > > > > The real question I want to ask the members is this. > > > > Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of > Saturn Antara? > > > > There is a reason behind this question. I have to give you some > background of myself now. I have collected nearly 200 charts from known > persons and I have analysed the timing of marriage in all the charts > using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my study has already been > forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough to edit the same > which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I shall > inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for > the event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. > Also in all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other > theories of which one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > present case according to Bhrigu Paddhati the marriage is to happen in > the 27th year of the native which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. > Members should not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > so many charts I tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > another system of astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something > in my analysis? I shall be glad to have your views on this. > > > > Regards > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Dear Nir, Greetings Yes. I have reasons for that. I will give the same once I get more responses from other members. I will give my reactions to all the messages under this topic at one time after waiting say for 3/4 days so that it becomes easy at a later stage to read them cogently. Hope you will not mind. Regards yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > Can you provide more events for this person? > > Why haven't you considered marriage in current Saturn period, 3rd sector? There does not seem to be a happy marriage in this case, and Saturn with less than 12 points for the 7th house can give marriage. I am curious to know your thoughts. > > Nir. > > , " yenbeeyes_radha " <yenbeeyes@> wrote: > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > 16th April 2010 > > > > Dear Members. > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > We are going to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a > > male native who is in the marriageable age. > > > > The following are the birth details. Chart is of a male member. > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST > > -5:30 > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > Planet Degrees Nakshatra Lord As 7 Ge 25 Ardra Ra > > Su 21 Ar 7 Bharani Ve Mo 26 Ta 23 Mrigashira Ma > > MaR 0 Sc 36 Visakha Ju MeR 3 Ar 39 Aswini Ke JuR > > 20 Sg 12 P.Asadha Ve Ve 9 Ar 39 Aswini Ke SaR 20 > > Li 17 Visakha Ju Ra 15 Ta 13 Rohini Mo Ke 15 Sc > > 13 Anuradha Sa > > > > > > The birth time of the native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > tested it when the native was about to finish his post graduation and > > analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes the mind in the chart is the placement of > > Saturn in the 5th house in Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement > > of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While the first will be contributing > > towards delay of the marriage, the second thing is going to disturb the > > family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV and also because > > the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 degrees, we > > can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not applicable. > > This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th as well as > > the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus and Saturn have low points. > > For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > So when we look into the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is > > like this: > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good > > result out of marriage. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the > > relationship would be moderate but one will try to dominate the other. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the > > relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is > > with Sun and Mercury. The distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 > > degrees and hence it is not combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn > > (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic aspect). Jupiter is the only planet > > that can control Venus, but here since the aspect is malefic, he has no > > say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. Further Venus is in the > > constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by Mars (the 6th Lord) > > and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being aspected by both Saturn > > and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into account, we can say > > Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have only 4 bindus > > and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact that Mars > > is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th house itself. > > Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a benefic > > if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect > > much. In addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in > > both Rasi and Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at > > least moderately both by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). > > Being placed in the 12th, it may increase the value of the 12th house. > > But he is conjoined with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus > > than Moon (in whose constellation he is placed) due to more AV points > > for Venus for the 12th house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again > > getting the aspect of 6th Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not > > disturbed. So we can conclude that overall the Functional karaka is > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than 28. > > > > > > > > One more thing to be seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite > > house Lord Mercury is having a 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the > > result of house B viz. marriage house is to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going to be a > > bed of roses. > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and > > Saturn. Hence all these are going to enhance the results and all of them > > are connected with house B by placement or aspect. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards timing of marriage. > > > > The position of Saturn in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa > > contribute to full delay. However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in > > Navamsa can moderate the delay. Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal > > Chart and hence for the delay to be over Saturn has to travel 10 degree > > in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months from the full delay of 27 > > years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 months. > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other > > delay is possible. The native as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. > > Even if we do not give any allowance for the moderation of delay caused > > by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after Jan., 2011. If we are to > > consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the minimum of 2 years, > > the period is already over. Hence the period for time of marriage is > > ripe now. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, > > Mercury, Moon, Mars are the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 > > and 12 respectively. So any one of the 4 planets can give the result. > > LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will be more eager to give the > > results. > > > > > > > > The current Antara that is running is that of Saturn and the total > > duration is 13-11-2009 to 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by > > Jupiter, the event is likely to happen in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. > > The 2nd part begins from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for > > the 7th house. Mars is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > Navamsa of Mars. Mars having 12 points in the worksheet can give the > > marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. However he is placed in his own house > > in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in the 12th house from B, hence it > > cannot give good results (a Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house > > from B cannot give good results). More importantly since Saturn is > > aspecting all the significating houses, a favourable result cannot be > > expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high > > points in worksheet. Hence no doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final > > decider. Mercury does not also aspect any of the significating houses. > > Marriage may take place in the first part of Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if they want to contribute or dispute some of the > > points are welcome. > > > > > > > > The real question I want to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of > > Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > There is a reason behind this question. I have to give you some > > background of myself now. I have collected nearly 200 charts from known > > persons and I have analysed the timing of marriage in all the charts > > using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my study has already been > > forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough to edit the same > > which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I shall > > inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for > > the event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. > > Also in all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other > > theories of which one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > present case according to Bhrigu Paddhati the marriage is to happen in > > the 27th year of the native which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. > > Members should not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > > so many charts I tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > > another system of astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something > > in my analysis? I shall be glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 17.04.10 Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? Dear Balasubraanian ji and Group, In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) 16th April 2010 Dear Members. Predicting Marriage for a native: We are going to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in the marriageable age. The following are the birth details. Chart is of a male member. Date of Birth 4th May, 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 Planet Degrees Nakshatra Lord As 7 Ge 25 Ardra Ra Su 21 Ar 7 Bharani Ve Mo 26 Ta 23 Mrigashira Ma MaR 0 Sc 36 Visakha Ju MeR 3 Ar 39 Aswini Ke JuR 20 Sg 12 P.Asadha Ve Ve 9 Ar 39 Aswini Ke SaR 20 Li 17 Visakha Ju Ra 15 Ta 13 Rohini Mo Ke 15 Sc 13 Anuradha Sa The birth time of the native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. The first thing that strikes the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and Sun have low points. So when we look into the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: From Rasi Chart: 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. 3. Sun Lord and its 7th lord are again in 6:8 position. From Navamsa Chart: 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are again in 8:6 position. 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one will try to dominate the other. 3. Sun Lord and its 7th Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. Now let us turn to the Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both by Saturn and Jupiter. Next is the Functional Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. The SAV points for the 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than 28. One more thing to be seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is to get some deficiency. Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going to be a bed of roses. In this chart 4 planets are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or aspect. Now let us turn towards timing of marriage. The position of Saturn in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 months. There is no Jupiter Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of marriage is ripe now. Now let us turn to the worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will be more eager to give the results. The current Antara that is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends on 21st July 2011. Saturn is neither LoD nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. The next Antara is that of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of Mercury Antara. Uptil now, members if they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. The real question I want to ask the members is this. Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? There is a reason behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be glad to have your views on this. Regards Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 17.04.10 Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) 16th April 2010 Dear Members. Predicting Marriage for a native: We are going to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in the marriageable age. The following are the birth details. Chart is of a male member. Date of Birth 4th May, 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 Planet Degrees Nakshatra Lord As 7 Ge 25 Ardra Ra Su 21 Ar 7 Bharani Ve Mo 26 Ta 23 Mrigashira Ma MaR 0 Sc 36 Visakha Ju MeR 3 Ar 39 Aswini Ke JuR 20 Sg 12 P.Asadha Ve Ve 9 Ar 39 Aswini Ke SaR 20 Li 17 Visakha Ju Ra 15 Ta 13 Rohini Mo Ke 15 Sc 13 Anuradha Sa The birth time of the native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. The first thing that strikes the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and Sun have low points. So when we look into the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: From Rasi Chart: 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. 3. Sun Lord and its 7th lord are again in 6:8 position. From Navamsa Chart: 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are again in 8:6 position. 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one will try to dominate the other. 3. Sun Lord and its 7th Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. Now let us turn to the Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both by Saturn and Jupiter. Next is the Functional Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. The SAV points for the 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than 28. One more thing to be seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is to get some deficiency. Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going to be a bed of roses. In this chart 4 planets are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or aspect. Now let us turn towards timing of marriage. The position of Saturn in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 months. There is no Jupiter Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of marriage is ripe now. Now let us turn to the worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will be more eager to give the results. The current Antara that is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends on 21st July 2011. Saturn is neither LoD nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. The next Antara is that of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of Mercury Antara. Uptil now, members if they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. The real question I want to ask the members is this. Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? There is a reason behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be glad to have your views on this. Regards Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 In noticed some grammatical mistakes in my earlier analysis done today morning and hence mailing again after the corrections. Nikhlesh 17.04.10 Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, We have learnt that when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in its 1st sector itself. In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore going by this, Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should NOT give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which also reflective about marriage, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit with points not more than 4). So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage in its AD and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being a delay causing planet). Now looking from another angle, marriage in the AD of a low power generally gives unhappiness in married life. This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well, which Bala ji has already elucidated. Therefore the chart speaks of possibilities of marriage in the Sa AD. Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12 for considering some quality in the event. The next obvious AD for marriage is of Me which is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. But marriage in Me AD does not speak of unhappiness in marriage (quality-wise) taking this fact in isolation. The native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s effect in it (The Asc is in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native's mind. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females develop into an affair. There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly either at a very young age or when the delay had already occured (a general observation). I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that the event occurs in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa respectively can stretch the delay a bit such that the time frame crosses over to the 2nd sector. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:03:10 +0530 wrote > Dear Nir, Greetings Yes. I have reasons for that. I will give the same once I get more responses from other members. I will give my reactions to all the messages under this topic at one time after waiting say for 3/4 days so that it becomes easy at a later stage to read them cogently. Hope you will not mind. Regards yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) , "nirvana_seeker3" wrote: > > Can you provide more events for this person? > > Why haven't you considered marriage in current Saturn period, 3rd sector? There does not seem to be a happy marriage in this case, and Saturn with less than 12 points for the 7th house can give marriage. I am curious to know your thoughts. > > Nir. > > , "yenbeeyes_radha" wrote: > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > 16th April 2010 > > > > Dear Members. > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > We are going to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a > > male native who is in the marriageable age. > > > > The following are the birth details. Chart is of a male member. > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST > > -5:30 > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > Planet Degrees Nakshatra Lord As 7 Ge 25 Ardra Ra > > Su 21 Ar 7 Bharani Ve Mo 26 Ta 23 Mrigashira Ma > > MaR 0 Sc 36 Visakha Ju MeR 3 Ar 39 Aswini Ke JuR > > 20 Sg 12 P.Asadha Ve Ve 9 Ar 39 Aswini Ke SaR 20 > > Li 17 Visakha Ju Ra 15 Ta 13 Rohini Mo Ke 15 Sc > > 13 Anuradha Sa > > > > > > The birth time of the native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > tested it when the native was about to finish his post graduation and > > analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes the mind in the chart is the placement of > > Saturn in the 5th house in Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement > > of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While the first will be contributing > > towards delay of the marriage, the second thing is going to disturb the > > family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV and also because > > the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 degrees, we > > can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not applicable. > > This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th as well as > > the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus and Saturn have low points. > > For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > So when we look into the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is > > like this: > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good > > result out of marriage. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the > > relationship would be moderate but one will try to dominate the other. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the > > relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is > > with Sun and Mercury. The distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 > > degrees and hence it is not combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn > > (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic aspect). Jupiter is the only planet > > that can control Venus, but here since the aspect is malefic, he has no > > say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. Further Venus is in the > > constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by Mars (the 6th Lord) > > and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being aspected by both Saturn > > and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into account, we can say > > Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have only 4 bindus > > and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact that Mars > > is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th house itself. > > Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a benefic > > if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect > > much. In addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in > > both Rasi and Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at > > least moderately both by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). > > Being placed in the 12th, it may increase the value of the 12th house. > > But he is conjoined with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus > > than Moon (in whose constellation he is placed) due to more AV points > > for Venus for the 12th house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again > > getting the aspect of 6th Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not > > disturbed. So we can conclude that overall the Functional karaka is > > afflicted. > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than 28. > > > > > > > > One more thing to be seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite > > house Lord Mercury is having a 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the > > result of house B viz. marriage house is to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going to be a > > bed of roses. > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and > > Saturn. Hence all these are going to enhance the results and all of them > > are connected with house B by placement or aspect. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards timing of marriage. > > > > The position of Saturn in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa > > contribute to full delay. However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in > > Navamsa can moderate the delay. Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal > > Chart and hence for the delay to be over Saturn has to travel 10 degree > > in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months from the full delay of 27 > > years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 months. > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other > > delay is possible. The native as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. > > Even if we do not give any allowance for the moderation of delay caused > > by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after Jan., 2011. If we are to > > consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the minimum of 2 years, > > the period is already over. Hence the period for time of marriage is > > ripe now. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, > > Mercury, Moon, Mars are the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 > > and 12 respectively. So any one of the 4 planets can give the result. > > LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will be more eager to give the > > results. > > > > > > > > The current Antara that is running is that of Saturn and the total > > duration is 13-11-2009 to 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by > > Jupiter, the event is likely to happen in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. > > The 2nd part begins from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for > > the 7th house. Mars is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > Navamsa of Mars. Mars having 12 points in the worksheet can give the > > marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. However he is placed in his own house > > in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in the 12th house from B, hence it > > cannot give good results (a Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house > > from B cannot give good results). More importantly since Saturn is > > aspecting all the significating houses, a favourable result cannot be > > expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high > > points in worksheet. Hence no doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final > > decider. Mercury does not also aspect any of the significating houses. > > Marriage may take place in the first part of Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if they want to contribute or dispute some of the > > points are welcome. > > > > > > > > The real question I want to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of > > Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > There is a reason behind this question. I have to give you some > > background of myself now. I have collected nearly 200 charts from known > > persons and I have analysed the timing of marriage in all the charts > > using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my study has already been > > forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough to edit the same > > which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I shall > > inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for > > the event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. > > Also in all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other > > theories of which one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > present case according to Bhrigu Paddhati the marriage is to happen in > > the 27th year of the native which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. > > Members should not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > > so many charts I tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > > another system of astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something > > in my analysis? I shall be glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Dear Nir, The only event that I could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through Campus placement. He shifted his job in the foreign country in September 2009. The reasons for not considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. Yes, This native's chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? Also Nikhleshji has given nice explanations. Dear Nikhleshji, Very good analysis. Since Saturn the delay causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd sector. As regards the relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus both in Rasi and Navamsa? Yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur wrote:>> 17.04.10 > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > 16th > April 2010 > > Dear Members. > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > We are going > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > the marriageable age. > > The following are the birth details. > Chart is of a male member. > > Date of Birth 4th May, > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > Planet > Degrees > Nakshatra > Lord > > > As > 7 Ge 25 > Ardra > Ra > > > Su > 21 Ar 7 > Bharani > Ve > > > Mo > 26 Ta 23 > Mrigashira > Ma > > > MaR > 0 Sc 36 > Visakha > Ju > > > MeR > 3 Ar 39 > Aswini > Ke > > > JuR > 20 Sg 12 > P.Asadha > Ve > > > Ve > 9 Ar 39 > Aswini > Ke > > > SaR > 20 Li 17 > Visakha > Ju > > > Ra > 15 Ta 13 > Rohini > Mo > > > Ke > 15 Sc 13 > Anuradha > Sa > > > > The birth time of the > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > The first thing that strikes > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > Sun have low points. > > > > So when we look into > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > From Rasi Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > will try to dominate the other. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > Now let us turn to the > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > Next is the Functional > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > The SAV points for the > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > 28. > > > > One more thing to be > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > to get some deficiency. > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > to be a bed of roses. > > > > In this chart 4 planets > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > aspect. > > > > Now let us turn towards > timing of marriage. > > The position of Saturn > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > months. > > > > There is no Jupiter > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > marriage is ripe now. > > > > Now let us turn to the > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > be more eager to give the results. > > > > The current Antara that > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > on 21st July 2011. > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > The next Antara is that > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > Mercury Antara. > > > > Uptil now, members if > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > The real question I want > to ask the members is this. > > > > Is it possible for the > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > Antara? > > > > There is a reason > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > glad to have your views on this. > > > > Regards > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Thanks. Please keep the group posted as and when this person gets married. Nir. , " yenbeeyes_radha " <yenbeeyes wrote: > > > Dear Nir, > > > > The only event that I could gather from the native's parent's > are that he got a Post graduate degree from IIT in June 2007 and left > for a foreign placement in August 2007 through Campus placement. He > shifted his job in the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > The reasons for not considering the event in the 3rd sector is that > Jupiter is aspecting Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd > part. > > > > Yes, This native's chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will > the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to > give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > Also Nikhleshji has given nice explanations. > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > Since Saturn the delay causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and > there is a mutual (1:7) aspect between them in Navamsa, I decided for > the 2nd sector. Additionally as you have stated the affliction of the > karakas may postpone it to the 2nd sector. > > > > As regards the relationship turning into love and fructifying into > marriage is also a possibility. Is there a possibility that there may > not be any such relationship because of the aspect of Jupiter on the > strongest significator planet Venus both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " > <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: > 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen > during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD > of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the > event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and > therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 > or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 > points. > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also > reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is > LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than > 4). > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with > other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to > give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being > delay causing planet). > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet > AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other > planetary combinations as well. > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating > quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for > 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the > native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong > effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this > native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with > females developed into an affair. > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is > observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had > already happened. > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there > are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the > affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the > delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > 16th > > April 2010 > > > > Dear Members. > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > We are going > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native > who is in > > the marriageable age. > > > > The following are the birth details. > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > Degrees > > Nakshatra > > Lord > > > > > > As > > 7 Ge 25 > > Ardra > > Ra > > > > > > Su > > 21 Ar 7 > > Bharani > > Ve > > > > > > Mo > > 26 Ta 23 > > Mrigashira > > Ma > > > > > > MaR > > 0 Sc 36 > > Visakha > > Ju > > > > > > MeR > > 3 Ar 39 > > Aswini > > Ke > > > > > > JuR > > 20 Sg 12 > > P.Asadha > > Ve > > > > > > Ve > > 9 Ar 39 > > Aswini > > Ke > > > > > > SaR > > 20 Li 17 > > Visakha > > Ju > > > > > > Ra > > 15 Ta 13 > > Rohini > > Mo > > > > > > Ke > > 15 Sc 13 > > Anuradha > > Sa > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the > native > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job > placement. > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra > Navamsa. While > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the > second thing > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no > zeros in SAV > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater > than 43 > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is > not > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate > but one > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be > tolerable. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. > The > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is > not > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by > Jupiter(malefic > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here > since the > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets > spoiled. > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally > represented by > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken > into > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and > Saturn have > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the > fact > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house > becomes a > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more > points (i.e. > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect > much. In > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both > Rasi and > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least > moderately both > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the > 12th, > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the > 12th > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude > that > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > 28. > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is > having a > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage > house is > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are > going to > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by > placement or > > aspect. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > timing of marriage. > > > > The position of Saturn > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the > delay. > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to > be over > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 > months > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 > Years and 8 > > months. > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The > native > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any > allowance > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes > after > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter > say the > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for > time of > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. > So any one > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus > who will > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely > to happen > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. > Mars having > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of > 6th. > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is > placed in > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the > significating > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. > Hence no > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also > aspect > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first > part of > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > Antara? > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself > now. I have > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the > timing > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate > writing on my > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were > kind enough > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological > magazine. I > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they > are all > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons > for the > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. > Also in > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories > of which > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case > according to Bhrigu > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many > charts I > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I > shall be > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 21.04.10 Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 Questions: 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? Dear Balasubramanian ji, I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. Then Ju is weak for 7th house. Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > Dear Nir, The only event that I could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through Campus placement. He shifted his job in the foreign country in September 2009. The reasons for not considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. Yes, This native's chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? Also Nikhleshji has given nice explanations. Dear Nikhleshji, Very good analysis. Since Saturn the delay causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd sector. As regards the relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus both in Rasi and Navamsa? Yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) , "nikhlesh mathur" wrote: > > 17.04.10 > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > 16th > April 2010 > > Dear Members. > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > We are going > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > the marriageable age. > > The following are the birth details. > Chart is of a male member. > > Date of Birth 4th May, > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > Planet > Degrees > Nakshatra > Lord > > > As > 7 Ge 25 > Ardra > Ra > > > Su > 21 Ar 7 > Bharani > Ve > > > Mo > 26 Ta 23 > Mrigashira > Ma > > > MaR > 0 Sc 36 > Visakha > Ju > > > MeR > 3 Ar 39 > Aswini > Ke > > > JuR > 20 Sg 12 > P.Asadha > Ve > > > Ve > 9 Ar 39 > Aswini > Ke > > > SaR > 20 Li 17 > Visakha > Ju > > > Ra > 15 Ta 13 > Rohini > Mo > > > Ke > 15 Sc 13 > Anuradha > Sa > > > > The birth time of the > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > The first thing that strikes > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > Sun have low points. > > > > So when we look into > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > From Rasi Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > will try to dominate the other. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > Now let us turn to the > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > Next is the Functional > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > The SAV points for the > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > 28. > > > > One more thing to be > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > to get some deficiency. > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > to be a bed of roses. > > > > In this chart 4 planets > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > aspect. > > > > Now let us turn towards > timing of marriage. > > The position of Saturn > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > months. > > > > There is no Jupiter > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > marriage is ripe now. > > > > Now let us turn to the > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > be more eager to give the results. > > > > The current Antara that > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > on 21st July 2011. > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > The next Antara is that > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > Mercury Antara. > > > > Uptil now, members if > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > The real question I want > to ask the members is this. > > > > Is it possible for the > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > Antara? > > > > There is a reason > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > glad to have your views on this. > > > > Regards > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Dear Nikhlesh ji, - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. Cheers !!! Ash , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > > 21.04.10 > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > Questions: > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > The only event that I > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > The reasons for not > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > Yes, This native's > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > is a big question to be seen? > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > given nice explanations. > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > Since Saturn the delay > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > sector. > > > > As regards the > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > Subramanian) > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > 16th > > > April 2010 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > We are going > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > Nakshatra > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > As > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > Ardra > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > Su > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > Bharani > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > Mrigashira > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > P.Asadha > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > 20 Li 17 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > Rohini > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > Anuradha > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? Nir. , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > Questions: > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > sector. > > > > > > > > As regards the > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > 16th > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > Degrees > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > Ardra > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > Bharani > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > Visakha > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > Aswini > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > Aswini > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > Visakha > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > Rohini > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Dear Nir, Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? When Ju is in - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) - Nak of Sa - Navamsa of Sa - Ju is in Libra Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... Think and let me know. Cheers !!! Ash , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > Nir. > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. Nir. , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Nir, > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > When Ju is in > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > - Nak of Sa > - Navamsa of Sa > - Ju is in Libra > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > Think and let me know. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > Nir. > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. Cheers !!! Ash , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > Nir. > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > When Ju is in > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > - Nak of Sa > > - Navamsa of Sa > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? Nir. , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > Nir. > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > - Nak of Sa > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. Cheers !!! Ash , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? > > Nir. > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > > > Nir. > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Hi Ash,Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn.And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work.I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of Jupiter from being benign. Regards,VamseeOn Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. Cheers !!! Ash , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? > > Nir. > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > > > Nir. > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Dear Vamsee and NS, Bingo !!! The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) - Nakshatra of Shani - Navamsa of Shani - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. Vamsee: I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Hi Ash, Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of Jupiter from being benign. Regards, Vamsee On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. Cheers !!! Ash , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? > > Nir. > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > > > Nir. > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 THANK YOU Ash ji, some more fundamentals are now clear by you nice explanation. Regards, Nikhlesh On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:40:52 +0530 wrote > Dear Nikhlesh ji, - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. Cheers !!! Ash , "nikhlesh mathur" wrote: > > > 21.04.10 > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > Questions: > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > The only event that I > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > The reasons for not > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > Yes, This native's > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > is a big question to be seen? > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > given nice explanations. > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > Since Saturn the delay > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > sector. > > > > As regards the > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > Subramanian) > > > > > , "nikhlesh mathur" wrote: > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > 16th > > > April 2010 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > We are going > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > Nakshatra > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > As > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > Ardra > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > Su > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > Bharani > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > Mrigashira > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > P.Asadha > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > 20 Li 17 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > Rohini > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > Anuradha > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Dear Ashji,GreetingsThat is a very nice explanation making the concept more clear.Regardsyenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian)On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: THANK YOU Ash ji, some more fundamentals are now clear by you nice explanation. Regards, Nikhlesh On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:40:52 +0530 wrote > Dear Nikhlesh ji, - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. Cheers !!! Ash , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > 21.04.10 > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > Questions: > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > The only event that I > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > The reasons for not > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > Yes, This native's > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > is a big question to be seen? > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > given nice explanations. > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > Since Saturn the delay > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > sector. > > > > As regards the > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > Subramanian) > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > 16th > > > April 2010 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > We are going > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > Nakshatra > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > As > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > Ardra > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > Su > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > Bharani > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > Mrigashira > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > P.Asadha > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > 20 Li 17 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > Rohini > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > Anuradha > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Dear Ash,Thanks for your explanation. :)Studying the Bindus and the ashtakavarga, let us not be bothered about the issues or topics like karmic debts of the natives. Regards,Vamsee.On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Bala Subramanian <yenbeeyes wrote: Dear Ashji,GreetingsThat is a very nice explanation making the concept more clear.Regardsyenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM, nikhlesh mathur <nikhleshmathur wrote: THANK YOU Ash ji, some more fundamentals are now clear by you nice explanation. Regards, Nikhlesh On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:40:52 +0530 wrote > Dear Nikhlesh ji, - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. Cheers !!! Ash , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > 21.04.10 > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > Questions: > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > The only event that I > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > The reasons for not > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > Yes, This native's > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > is a big question to be seen? > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > given nice explanations. > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > Since Saturn the delay > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > sector. > > > > As regards the > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > Subramanian) > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > 16th > > > April 2010 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > We are going > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > Nakshatra > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > As > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > Ardra > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > Su > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > Bharani > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > Mrigashira > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > P.Asadha > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > 20 Li 17 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > Rohini > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > Anuradha > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Thanks! However couple of points - 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn is debilitated in Aries). 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in Libra came up after this message was posted. Nir. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > Bingo !!! > > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > - Nakshatra of Shani > - Navamsa of Shani > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > Vamsee: > > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Hi Ash, > > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of Jupiter from being benign. > > Regards, > Vamsee > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? > > > > Nir. > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > > > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Dear NS, When Ju is in Aries, it can check the delay of Saturn. As it will not be in navamsa of Saturn nor is there any nakshatra of Saturn. However, when Guru is from 10 deg to 13deg40 it can't check the delay of Saturn. Message 1175 is different. Here we are discussing why Ju in libra is unable to check the delay of Saturn. We are not discussing the property of Guru in libra which spoils marital life. One is dealing with Timing of event and the other is the quality. Don't confuse the two. Cheers !!! Ash , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > Thanks! However couple of points - > > 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn is debilitated in Aries). > 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in Libra came up after this message was posted. > > Nir. > > , " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > > > Bingo !!! > > > > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > > > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > > > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > - Nakshatra of Shani > > - Navamsa of Shani > > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > > > > Vamsee: > > > > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > > > > Hi Ash, > > > > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of Jupiter from being benign. > > > > Regards, > > Vamsee > > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > > > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > > > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > > > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > > > > > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Dear NS,If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case.If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash.Regards,Vamsee.On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 <nirvana_seeker3 wrote:  Thanks! However couple of points - 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn is debilitated in Aries). 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in Libra came up after this message was posted. Nir. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > Bingo !!! > > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > - Nakshatra of Shani > - Navamsa of Shani > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > Vamsee: > > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Hi Ash, > > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of Jupiter from being benign. > > Regards, > Vamsee > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? > > > > Nir. > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > > > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Dear Ash,Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to 13deg 40?He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa.Am I overlooking something here? Please guide.Regards,VamseeOn Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest wrote: Dear NS,If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash.Regards,Vamsee. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 <nirvana_seeker3 wrote:  Thanks! However couple of points - 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn is debilitated in Aries). 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in Libra came up after this message was posted. Nir. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > Bingo !!! > > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > - Nakshatra of Shani > - Navamsa of Shani > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > Vamsee: > > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Hi Ash, > > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of Jupiter from being benign. > > Regards, > Vamsee > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 with Aquirius? > > > > Nir. > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let me know. > > > > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > > > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > > > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > > > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check the delay... > > > > > > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any delay. Am I correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nir. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not confuse this principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also leads to love affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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