Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you Nir eh? , Joe maya <joequest wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to > 13deg 40? > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa. > Am I overlooking something here? > Please guide. > > Regards, > Vamsee > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest wrote: > > > Dear NS, > > > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. > > > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. > > > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > > > Regards, > > Vamsee. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 < > > nirvana_seeker3 wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Thanks! However couple of points - > >> > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn > >> is debilitated in Aries). > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in > >> Libra came up after this message was posted. > >> > >> Nir. > >> > >> > >> --- In <%40.\ com>, > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS, > >> > > >> > Bingo !!! > >> > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > >> > > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > >> > > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani > >> > - Navamsa of Shani > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > >> > > >> > > >> > Vamsee: > >> > > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > >> > Cheers !!! > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > >> > >> > > >> > <%40.\ com>[ > >> <%40.\ com>] > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > >> > To: <%40.\ com> > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a > >> Native > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Ash, > >> > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > >> Jupiter from being benign. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Vamsee > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > >> > > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > >> > > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers !!! > >> > Ash > >> > > >> > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 > >> with Aquirius? > >> > > > >> > > Nir. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > >> > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let > >> me know. > >> > > > > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > >> > > > > >> > > > Cheers !!! > >> > > > Ash > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Nir. > >> > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nir, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > When Ju is in > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check > >> the delay... > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!! > >> > > > > > Ash > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any > >> delay. Am I correct? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nir. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with > >> 5:9. This is very specific. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not > >> confuse this principle. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of > >> event. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > >> > > > > > > > Ash > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Questions: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus > >> in both D-1 and D-9. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be > >> seen? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there > >> are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and > >> simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the > >> native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the > >> surrounding environment from time to time. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both > >> D-1 and D-9 charts. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also > >> leads to love affair. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the > >> aspect of Ju is malefic. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and > >> opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a > >> Post graduate degree > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in > >> August 2007 through > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is > >> aspecting > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > >> position of Lagna Lord and > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy > >> married life > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. > >> Additionally > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > >> postpone it to the 2nd > >> > > > > > > > > sector. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > >> marriage is also a > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be > >> any such relationship > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > >> significator planet Venus > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before > >> 17th Sept 2010. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with > >> only 8 points. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not > >> more than 4). > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to > >> it being delay causing planet). > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s life is quite > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s Moon is controlled by > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality (1st house) also has > >> RahuÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or > >> results. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay > >> had already happened. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of > >> a male native who is in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Su > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > >> tested it when the native > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it > >> for job placement. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the > >> 5th house in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter > >> in Libra Navamsa. While > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the > >> marriage, the second thing > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because > >> there are no zeros in SAV > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is > >> not greater than 43 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No > >> marriage is not > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet > >> points for the 5th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, > >> Jupiter and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like > >> this: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of > >> marriage. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship > >> would be moderate but one > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship > >> would be tolerable. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun > >> and Mercury. The > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees > >> and hence it is not > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also > >> by Jupiter(malefic > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control > >> Venus, but here since the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence > >> Venus gets spoiled. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is > >> equally represented by > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also > >> Venus is being > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus > >> are not taken into > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). > >> Both Mars and Saturn have > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > >> neutral but for the fact > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in > >> the 6th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a > >> malefic house becomes a > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not > >> have more points (i.e. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not > >> going affect much. In > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries > >> Sun in both Rasi and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted > >> at least moderately both > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being > >> placed in the 12th, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is > >> conjoined > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than > >> Moon (in whose > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for > >> Venus for the 12th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the > >> aspect of 6th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we > >> can conclude that > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 28. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house > >> Lord Mercury is having a > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B > >> viz. marriage house is > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not > >> going > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence > >> all these are going to > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with > >> house B by placement or > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to > >> full delay. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can > >> moderate the delay. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence > >> for the delay to be over > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting > >> approximately 10 months > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a > >> period of 26 Years and 8 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is > >> possible. The native > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do > >> not give any allowance > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > >> marriage age comes after > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of > >> delay by Jupiter say the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence > >> the period for time of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, > >> Moon, Mars are > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 > >> respectively. So any one > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and > >> LoE is Venus who will > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is > >> 13-11-2009 to > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the > >> event is likely to happen > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th > >> house. Mars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But > >> Mars is Lord of 6th. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. > >> Again Mars is placed in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results > >> (a > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot > >> give good > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all > >> the significating > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during > >> his sub period. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in > >> worksheet. Hence no > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury > >> does not also aspect > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place > >> in the first part of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points > >> are welcome. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background > >> of myself now. I have > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I > >> have analysed the timing > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An > >> elaborate writing on my > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and > >> they were kind enough > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an > >> astrological magazine. I > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > >> published). But they are all > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give > >> proper reasons for the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation > >> is different. Also in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with > >> other theories of which > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > >> present case according to Bhrigu > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of > >> the native > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members > >> should > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > >> so many charts I > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > >> another system of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in > >> my analysis? I shall be > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I pass! , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you Nir eh? > > , Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to > > 13deg 40? > > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa. > > Am I overlooking something here? > > Please guide. > > > > Regards, > > Vamsee > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where > > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. > > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer > > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. > > > > > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is > > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot > > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are > > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. > > > > > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vamsee. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 < > > > nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks! However couple of points - > > >> > > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn > > >> is debilitated in Aries). > > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with > > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in > > >> Libra came up after this message was posted. > > >> > > >> Nir. > > >> > > >> > > >> --- In <%40.\ com>, > > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > >> > > > >> > Bingo !!! > > >> > > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > >> > > > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani > > >> > - Navamsa of Shani > > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its > > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Vamsee: > > >> > > > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological > > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to > > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect > > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful > > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > >> > > >> > > > >> > <%40.\ com>[ > > >> <%40.\ com>] > > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya > > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > >> > To: <%40.\ com> > > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a > > >> Native > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hi Ash, > > >> > > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > > >> Jupiter from being benign. > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Vamsee > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > >> > > > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash > > >> > > > >> > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. > > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 > > >> with Aquirius? > > >> > > > > >> > > Nir. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let > > >> me know. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > >> > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of > > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its > > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition > > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > When Ju is in > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check > > >> the delay... > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in > > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that > > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any > > >> delay. Am I correct? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will > > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for > > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like > > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with > > >> 5:9. This is very specific. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is > > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we > > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. > > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not > > >> confuse this principle. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the > > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the > > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the > > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then > > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it > > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of > > >> event. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Questions: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love > > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus > > >> in both D-1 and D-9. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a > > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be > > >> seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there > > >> are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and > > >> simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play > > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon > > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a > > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the > > >> native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the > > >> surrounding environment from time to time. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its > > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of > > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both > > >> D-1 and D-9 charts. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and > > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also > > >> leads to love affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong > > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the > > >> aspect of Ju is malefic. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the > > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native > > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and > > >> opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in > > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we > > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other > > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with > > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has > > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 > > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very > > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. > > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s > > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in > > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the > > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might > > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a > > >> Post graduate degree > > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in > > >> August 2007 through > > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is > > >> aspecting > > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > > >> position of Lagna Lord and > > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy > > >> married life > > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a > > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. > > >> Additionally > > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > > >> postpone it to the 2nd > > >> > > > > > > > > sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the > > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > > >> marriage is also a > > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be > > >> any such relationship > > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > > >> significator planet Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>< > > >> %40<%2540gro\ ups.com>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the > > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is > > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before > > >> 17th Sept 2010. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects > > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has > > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with > > >> only 8 points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, > > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find > > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not > > >> more than 4). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give > > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa > > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to > > >> it being delay causing planet). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low > > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s life is quite > > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. > > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is > > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s Moon is controlled by > > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality (1st house) also has > > >> RahuÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or > > >> results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his > > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many > > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay > > >> had already happened. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this > > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. > > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend > > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of > > >> a male native who is in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Su > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > >> tested it when the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it > > >> for job placement. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the > > >> 5th house in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter > > >> in Libra Navamsa. While > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the > > >> marriage, the second thing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because > > >> there are no zeros in SAV > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is > > >> not greater than 43 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No > > >> marriage is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet > > >> points for the 5th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, > > >> Jupiter and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like > > >> this: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of > > >> marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be moderate but one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be tolerable. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun > > >> and Mercury. The > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees > > >> and hence it is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also > > >> by Jupiter(malefic > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control > > >> Venus, but here since the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence > > >> Venus gets spoiled. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is > > >> equally represented by > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also > > >> Venus is being > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus > > >> are not taken into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). > > >> Both Mars and Saturn have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > > >> neutral but for the fact > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in > > >> the 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a > > >> malefic house becomes a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not > > >> have more points (i.e. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not > > >> going affect much. In > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries > > >> Sun in both Rasi and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted > > >> at least moderately both > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being > > >> placed in the 12th, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is > > >> conjoined > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than > > >> Moon (in whose > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for > > >> Venus for the 12th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the > > >> aspect of 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we > > >> can conclude that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 28. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house > > >> Lord Mercury is having a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B > > >> viz. marriage house is > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not > > >> going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence > > >> all these are going to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with > > >> house B by placement or > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to > > >> full delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can > > >> moderate the delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence > > >> for the delay to be over > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting > > >> approximately 10 months > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a > > >> period of 26 Years and 8 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is > > >> possible. The native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do > > >> not give any allowance > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > > >> marriage age comes after > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of > > >> delay by Jupiter say the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence > > >> the period for time of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, > > >> Moon, Mars are > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 > > >> respectively. So any one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and > > >> LoE is Venus who will > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is > > >> 13-11-2009 to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the > > >> event is likely to happen > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th > > >> house. Mars > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But > > >> Mars is Lord of 6th. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. > > >> Again Mars is placed in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results > > >> (a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot > > >> give good > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all > > >> the significating > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during > > >> his sub period. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in > > >> worksheet. Hence no > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury > > >> does not also aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place > > >> in the first part of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points > > >> are welcome. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background > > >> of myself now. I have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I > > >> have analysed the timing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An > > >> elaborate writing on my > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and > > >> they were kind enough > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an > > >> astrological magazine. I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > > >> published). But they are all > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give > > >> proper reasons for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation > > >> is different. Also in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with > > >> other theories of which > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > >> present case according to Bhrigu > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of > > >> the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members > > >> should > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > > >> so many charts I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > > >> another system of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in > > >> my analysis? I shall be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Dear Ash,The more you make us wait, the more questions are popping out of my tiny brain.which are like follows:Are you certain about it as Aries 10 deg to 13 Deg 40 ( and not 13 Deg 20)? If it is the 4th 3 degrees 20 of Aries, it would only ascertain to the 4th quarter of Aswini ( Ruled by Ketu; deep exaltation of Sun);Or in terms of Navamsa, Ju is in cancer (its own exaltation) -> if he is exalted in Amsa, that should definitely not deprive him of abilities -> thus it cannot be the reason Or is it that you are looking at this as:If jup is in Cancer Navamsa, He would have 6:8 relation with Aq and in the Rasi 4:10 with AqSo is it disabling him from stopping Sa. -> This can be the reasonWhen I looked at Shashtiamsa ( 1/60 ) -> For a few degrees; Jupiter was in Aq and Cp; But I am certain this is not the reason that you are looking it. So, if you making us wait, we would come up with much more bizarre analysis. :)Regards,VamseeOn Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:16 PM, nirvana_seeker3 <nirvana_seeker3 wrote:  I pass! , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you Nir eh? > > , Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to > > 13deg 40? > > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa. > > Am I overlooking something here? > > Please guide. > > > > Regards, > > Vamsee > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where > > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. > > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer > > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. > > > > > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is > > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot > > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are > > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. > > > > > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vamsee. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 < > > > nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks! However couple of points - > > >> > > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn > > >> is debilitated in Aries). > > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with > > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in > > >> Libra came up after this message was posted. > > >> > > >> Nir. > > >> > > >> > > >> <%40>, > > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > >> > > > >> > Bingo !!! > > >> > > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > >> > > > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani > > >> > - Navamsa of Shani > > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its > > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Vamsee: > > >> > > > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological > > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to > > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect > > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful > > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > >> > > >> > > > >> > <%40>[ > > >> <%40>] > > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya > > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > >> > <%40> > > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a > > >> Native > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hi Ash, > > >> > > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > > >> Jupiter from being benign. > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Vamsee > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > >> > > > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash > > >> > > > >> > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. > > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 > > >> with Aquirius? > > >> > > > > >> > > Nir. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let > > >> me know. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > >> > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of > > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its > > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition > > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > When Ju is in > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check > > >> the delay... > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in > > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that > > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any > > >> delay. Am I correct? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will > > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for > > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like > > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with > > >> 5:9. This is very specific. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is > > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we > > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. > > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not > > >> confuse this principle. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the > > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the > > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the > > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then > > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it > > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of > > >> event. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Questions: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love > > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus > > >> in both D-1 and D-9. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a > > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be > > >> seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there > > >> are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and > > >> simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play > > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon > > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a > > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the > > >> native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the > > >> surrounding environment from time to time. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its > > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of > > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both > > >> D-1 and D-9 charts. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and > > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also > > >> leads to love affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong > > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the > > >> aspect of Ju is malefic. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the > > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native > > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and > > >> opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in > > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we > > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other > > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with > > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has > > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 > > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very > > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. > > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s > > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in > > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the > > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might > > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a > > >> Post graduate degree > > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in > > >> August 2007 through > > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is > > >> aspecting > > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > > >> position of Lagna Lord and > > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy > > >> married life > > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a > > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. > > >> Additionally > > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > > >> postpone it to the 2nd > > >> > > > > > > > > sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the > > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > > >> marriage is also a > > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be > > >> any such relationship > > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > > >> significator planet Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the > > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is > > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before > > >> 17th Sept 2010. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects > > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has > > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with > > >> only 8 points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, > > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find > > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not > > >> more than 4). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give > > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa > > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to > > >> it being delay causing planet). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low > > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s life is quite > > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. > > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is > > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s Moon is controlled by > > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality (1st house) also has > > >> RahuÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or > > >> results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his > > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many > > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay > > >> had already happened. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this > > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. > > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend > > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of > > >> a male native who is in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Su > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > >> tested it when the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it > > >> for job placement. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the > > >> 5th house in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter > > >> in Libra Navamsa. While > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the > > >> marriage, the second thing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because > > >> there are no zeros in SAV > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is > > >> not greater than 43 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No > > >> marriage is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet > > >> points for the 5th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, > > >> Jupiter and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like > > >> this: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of > > >> marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be moderate but one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be tolerable. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun > > >> and Mercury. The > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees > > >> and hence it is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also > > >> by Jupiter(malefic > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control > > >> Venus, but here since the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence > > >> Venus gets spoiled. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is > > >> equally represented by > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also > > >> Venus is being > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus > > >> are not taken into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). > > >> Both Mars and Saturn have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > > >> neutral but for the fact > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in > > >> the 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a > > >> malefic house becomes a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not > > >> have more points (i.e. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not > > >> going affect much. In > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries > > >> Sun in both Rasi and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted > > >> at least moderately both > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being > > >> placed in the 12th, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is > > >> conjoined > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than > > >> Moon (in whose > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for > > >> Venus for the 12th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the > > >> aspect of 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we > > >> can conclude that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 28. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house > > >> Lord Mercury is having a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B > > >> viz. marriage house is > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not > > >> going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence > > >> all these are going to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with > > >> house B by placement or > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to > > >> full delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can > > >> moderate the delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence > > >> for the delay to be over > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting > > >> approximately 10 months > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a > > >> period of 26 Years and 8 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is > > >> possible. The native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do > > >> not give any allowance > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > > >> marriage age comes after > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of > > >> delay by Jupiter say the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence > > >> the period for time of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, > > >> Moon, Mars are > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 > > >> respectively. So any one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and > > >> LoE is Venus who will > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is > > >> 13-11-2009 to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the > > >> event is likely to happen > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th > > >> house. Mars > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But > > >> Mars is Lord of 6th. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. > > >> Again Mars is placed in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results > > >> (a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot > > >> give good > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all > > >> the significating > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during > > >> his sub period. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in > > >> worksheet. Hence no > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury > > >> does not also aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place > > >> in the first part of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points > > >> are welcome. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background > > >> of myself now. I have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I > > >> have analysed the timing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An > > >> elaborate writing on my > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and > > >> they were kind enough > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an > > >> astrological magazine. I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > > >> published). But they are all > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give > > >> proper reasons for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation > > >> is different. Also in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with > > >> other theories of which > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > >> present case according to Bhrigu > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of > > >> the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members > > >> should > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > > >> so many charts I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > > >> another system of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in > > >> my analysis? I shall be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ....[Message clipped]  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 A correctionI meant 4:10 Relation with Capri, and Not Aq .On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Joe maya <joequest wrote: Dear Ash,The more you make us wait, the more questions are popping out of my tiny brain. which are like follows:Are you certain about it as Aries 10 deg to 13 Deg 40 ( and not 13 Deg 20)? If it is the 4th 3 degrees 20 of Aries, it would only ascertain to the 4th quarter of Aswini ( Ruled by Ketu; deep exaltation of Sun);Or in terms of Navamsa, Ju is in cancer (its own exaltation) -> if he is exalted in Amsa, that should definitely not deprive him of abilities -> thus it cannot be the reason Or is it that you are looking at this as:If jup is in Cancer Navamsa, He would have 6:8 relation with Aq and in the Rasi 4:10 with AqSo is it disabling him from stopping Sa. -> This can be the reasonWhen I looked at Shashtiamsa ( 1/60 ) -> For a few degrees; Jupiter was in Aq and Cp; But I am certain this is not the reason that you are looking it. So, if you making us wait, we would come up with much more bizarre analysis. :)Regards,Vamsee On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:16 PM, nirvana_seeker3 <nirvana_seeker3 wrote:  I pass! , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you Nir eh? > > , Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to > > 13deg 40? > > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa. > > Am I overlooking something here? > > Please guide. > > > > Regards, > > Vamsee > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where > > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. > > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer > > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. > > > > > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is > > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot > > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are > > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. > > > > > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vamsee. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 < > > > nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks! However couple of points - > > >> > > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn > > >> is debilitated in Aries). > > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with > > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in > > >> Libra came up after this message was posted. > > >> > > >> Nir. > > >> > > >> > > >> <%40>, > > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > >> > > > >> > Bingo !!! > > >> > > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > >> > > > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani > > >> > - Navamsa of Shani > > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its > > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Vamsee: > > >> > > > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological > > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to > > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect > > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful > > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > >> > > >> > > > >> > <%40>[ > > >> <%40>] > > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya > > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > >> > <%40> > > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a > > >> Native > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hi Ash, > > >> > > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > > >> Jupiter from being benign. > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Vamsee > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > >> > > > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash > > >> > > > >> > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. > > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 > > >> with Aquirius? > > >> > > > > >> > > Nir. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let > > >> me know. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > >> > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of > > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its > > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition > > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > When Ju is in > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check > > >> the delay... > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in > > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that > > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any > > >> delay. Am I correct? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will > > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for > > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like > > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with > > >> 5:9. This is very specific. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is > > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we > > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. > > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not > > >> confuse this principle. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the > > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the > > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the > > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then > > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it > > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of > > >> event. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Questions: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love > > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus > > >> in both D-1 and D-9. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a > > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be > > >> seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there > > >> are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and > > >> simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play > > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon > > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a > > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the > > >> native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the > > >> surrounding environment from time to time. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its > > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of > > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both > > >> D-1 and D-9 charts. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and > > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also > > >> leads to love affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong > > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the > > >> aspect of Ju is malefic. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the > > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native > > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and > > >> opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in > > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we > > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other > > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with > > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has > > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 > > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very > > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. > > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s > > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in > > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the > > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might > > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a > > >> Post graduate degree > > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in > > >> August 2007 through > > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is > > >> aspecting > > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > > >> position of Lagna Lord and > > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy > > >> married life > > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a > > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. > > >> Additionally > > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > > >> postpone it to the 2nd > > >> > > > > > > > > sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the > > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > > >> marriage is also a > > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be > > >> any such relationship > > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > > >> significator planet Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the > > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is > > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before > > >> 17th Sept 2010. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects > > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has > > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with > > >> only 8 points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, > > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find > > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not > > >> more than 4). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give > > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa > > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to > > >> it being delay causing planet). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low > > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s life is quite > > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. > > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is > > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s Moon is controlled by > > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality (1st house) also has > > >> RahuÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or > > >> results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his > > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many > > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay > > >> had already happened. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this > > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. > > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend > > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of > > >> a male native who is in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Su > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > >> tested it when the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it > > >> for job placement. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the > > >> 5th house in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter > > >> in Libra Navamsa. While > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the > > >> marriage, the second thing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because > > >> there are no zeros in SAV > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is > > >> not greater than 43 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No > > >> marriage is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet > > >> points for the 5th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, > > >> Jupiter and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like > > >> this: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of > > >> marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be moderate but one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be tolerable. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun > > >> and Mercury. The > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees > > >> and hence it is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also > > >> by Jupiter(malefic > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control > > >> Venus, but here since the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence > > >> Venus gets spoiled. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is > > >> equally represented by > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also > > >> Venus is being > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus > > >> are not taken into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). > > >> Both Mars and Saturn have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > > >> neutral but for the fact > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in > > >> the 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a > > >> malefic house becomes a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not > > >> have more points (i.e. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not > > >> going affect much. In > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries > > >> Sun in both Rasi and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted > > >> at least moderately both > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being > > >> placed in the 12th, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is > > >> conjoined > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than > > >> Moon (in whose > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for > > >> Venus for the 12th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the > > >> aspect of 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we > > >> can conclude that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 28. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house > > >> Lord Mercury is having a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B > > >> viz. marriage house is > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not > > >> going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence > > >> all these are going to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with > > >> house B by placement or > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to > > >> full delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can > > >> moderate the delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence > > >> for the delay to be over > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting > > >> approximately 10 months > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a > > >> period of 26 Years and 8 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is > > >> possible. The native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do > > >> not give any allowance > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > > >> marriage age comes after > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of > > >> delay by Jupiter say the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence > > >> the period for time of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, > > >> Moon, Mars are > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 > > >> respectively. So any one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and > > >> LoE is Venus who will > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is > > >> 13-11-2009 to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the > > >> event is likely to happen > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th > > >> house. Mars > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But > > >> Mars is Lord of 6th. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. > > >> Again Mars is placed in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results > > >> (a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot > > >> give good > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all > > >> the significating > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during > > >> his sub period. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in > > >> worksheet. Hence no > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury > > >> does not also aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place > > >> in the first part of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points > > >> are welcome. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background > > >> of myself now. I have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I > > >> have analysed the timing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An > > >> elaborate writing on my > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and > > >> they were kind enough > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an > > >> astrological magazine. I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > > >> published). But they are all > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give > > >> proper reasons for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation > > >> is different. Also in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with > > >> other theories of which > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > >> present case according to Bhrigu > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of > > >> the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members > > >> should > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > > >> so many charts I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > > >> another system of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in > > >> my analysis? I shall be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ....[Message clipped]  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I am not sure but I think the reason is that in these degrees, Jupiter will be in Cancer navamsa. In KAS, if the planet is in exaltation sign, it becomes weak as its aspects on other houses are weak. Nir. , Joe maya <joequest wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > The more you make us wait, the more questions are popping out of my tiny > brain. > > which are like follows: > Are you certain about it as Aries 10 deg to 13 Deg 40 ( and not 13 Deg 20)? > > If it is the 4th 3 degrees 20 of Aries, it would only ascertain to the 4th > quarter of Aswini ( Ruled by Ketu; deep exaltation of Sun); > Or in terms of Navamsa, Ju is in cancer (its own exaltation) -> if he is > exalted in Amsa, that should definitely not deprive him of abilities -> thus > it cannot be the reason > > Or is it that you are looking at this as: > If jup is in Cancer Navamsa, He would have 6:8 relation with Aq and > in the Rasi 4:10 with Aq > So is it disabling him from stopping Sa. > -> This can be the reason > > When I looked at Shashtiamsa ( 1/60 ) -> For a few degrees; Jupiter was in > Aq and Cp; But I am certain this is not the reason that you are looking it. > > So, if you making us wait, we would come up with much more bizarre analysis. > > > Regards, > Vamsee > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:16 PM, nirvana_seeker3 > <nirvana_seeker3wrote: > > > > > > > > > I pass! > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you > > Nir eh? > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to > > > > 13deg 40? > > > > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa. > > > > Am I overlooking something here? > > > > Please guide. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vamsee > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > > > > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, > > where > > > > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. > > > > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from > > Cancer > > > > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. > > > > > > > > > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When > > Ju is > > > > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he > > wouldnot > > > > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are > > > > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. > > > > > > > > > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vamsee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 < > > > > > nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks! However couple of points - > > > > >> > > > > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as > > Saturn > > > > >> is debilitated in Aries). > > > > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up > > with > > > > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its > > power in > > > > >> Libra came up after this message was posted. > > > > >> > > > > >> Nir. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>, > > > > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Bingo !!! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > > > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani > > > > >> > - Navamsa of Shani > > > > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its > > > > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Vamsee: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all > > mythological > > > > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick > > to > > > > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is > > perfect > > > > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is > > powerful > > > > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > <%40.\ com> > > <%40>[ > > > > >> <%40.\ com> > > <%40>] > > > > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya > > > > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > > > >> > To: <%40.\ com> > > <%40> > > > > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of > > a > > > > >> Native > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hi Ash, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > > > > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot > > work. > > > > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > > > > >> Jupiter from being benign. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Regards, > > > > >> > Vamsee > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural > > samdharmi. > > > > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn > > and 5:9 > > > > >> with Aquirius? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Nir. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it > > and let > > > > >> me know. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier > > mail. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > > > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord > > of > > > > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose > > its > > > > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become > > weak. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Nir. > > > > >> > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the > > condition > > > > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to > > check > > > > >> the delay... > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > > > > > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in > > Libra in > > > > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I > > assume that > > > > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check > > any > > > > >> delay. Am I correct? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nir. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they > > will > > > > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for > > > > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are > > like > > > > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse > > this with > > > > >> 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and > > that is > > > > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga > > then we > > > > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in > > the WS. > > > > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So > > do not > > > > >> confuse this principle. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check > > the > > > > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That > > is the > > > > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus > > then the > > > > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 > > bindus then > > > > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus > > then it > > > > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing > > of > > > > >> event. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; > > 10 N > > > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a > > love > > > > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator > > planet Venus > > > > >> in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord > > in a > > > > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question > > to be > > > > >> seen? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life > > there > > > > >> are yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s acting in the favour of their > > implementation and > > > > >> simultaneously there are yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s opposing their > > implementation. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s on each > > side therefore play > > > > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. > > depending upon > > > > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha > > (playing a > > > > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly > > on the > > > > >> nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality which also has contiuous > > impact of the > > > > >> surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that > > its > > > > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the > > check of > > > > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn > > in both > > > > >> D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th > > and > > > > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th > > lord also > > > > >> leads to love affair. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting > > strong > > > > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget > > that the > > > > >> aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on > > Moon, the > > > > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the > > native > > > > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and > > > > >> opposing yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s for love affair in this case, the > > balance tilts in > > > > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing > > act we > > > > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness > > against other > > > > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 > > with > > > > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married > > life. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that > > Ju has > > > > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 > > > > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not > > be very > > > > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws > > approve it. > > > > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the > > yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s > > > > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might > > help in > > > > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of > > the > > > > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so > > one might > > > > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he > > got a > > > > >> Post graduate degree > > > > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign > > placement in > > > > >> August 2007 through > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that > > Jupiter is > > > > >> aspecting > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > > > > >> position of Lagna Lord and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a > > happy > > > > >> married life > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and > > there is a > > > > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd > > sector. > > > > >> Additionally > > > > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > > > > >> postpone it to the 2nd > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > > > > >> marriage is also a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may > > not be > > > > >> any such relationship > > > > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > > > > >> significator planet Venus > > > > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E > > 23; 10 N > > > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the > > > > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > > > > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay > > is > > > > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event > > before > > > > >> 17th Sept 2010. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa > > aspects > > > > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it > > has > > > > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very > > weak with > > > > >> only 8 points. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th > > house, > > > > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we > > find > > > > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are > > not > > > > >> more than 4). > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give > > > > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus > > Sa > > > > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, > > owing to > > > > >> it being delay causing planet). > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD > > (low > > > > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of > > nativeÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÃâ\ €šÃ‚¢s life is quite > > > > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its > > M.F. > > > > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required > > 12. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is > > > > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th > > lord. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÃâ\ €šÃ‚¢s > > Moon is controlled by > > > > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÃâ\ €šÃ‚¢s > > personality (1st house) also has > > > > >> RahuÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ\ ¢s strong effect (The Asc > > in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > > > > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects > > and/or > > > > >> results. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his > > > > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and > > many > > > > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the > > delay > > > > >> had already happened. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to > > this > > > > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector > > itself. > > > > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can > > extend > > > > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of > > marriage of > > > > >> a male native who is in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST > > -5:30 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > > > >> tested it when the native > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and > > analysed it > > > > >> for job placement. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn > > in the > > > > >> 5th house in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of > > Jupiter > > > > >> in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of > > the > > > > >> marriage, the second thing > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, > > because > > > > >> there are no zeros in SAV > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and > > Venus is > > > > >> not greater than 43 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question > > of No > > > > >> marriage is not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the > > Worksheet > > > > >> points for the 5th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only > > Venus > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house > > Saturn, > > > > >> Jupiter and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is > > like > > > > >> this: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result > > out of > > > > >> marriage. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the > > relationship > > > > >> would be moderate but one > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the > > relationship > > > > >> would be tolerable. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with > > Sun > > > > >> and Mercury. The > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 > > degrees > > > > >> and hence it is not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and > > also > > > > >> by Jupiter(malefic > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can > > control > > > > >> Venus, but here since the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. > > Hence > > > > >> Venus gets spoiled. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who > > is > > > > >> equally represented by > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa > > also > > > > >> Venus is being > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since > > bindus > > > > >> are not taken into > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by > > Jupiter). > > > > >> Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > > > > >> neutral but for the fact > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is > > placed in > > > > >> the 6th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed > > in a > > > > >> malefic house becomes a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars > > does not > > > > >> have more points (i.e. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars > > is not > > > > >> going affect much. In > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the > > luminaries > > > > >> Sun in both Rasi and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets > > afflicted > > > > >> at least moderately both > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). > > Being > > > > >> placed in the 12th, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But > > he is > > > > >> conjoined > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus > > than > > > > >> Moon (in whose > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points > > for > > > > >> Venus for the 12th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting > > the > > > > >> aspect of 6th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. > > So we > > > > >> can conclude that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite > > house > > > > >> Lord Mercury is having a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of > > house B > > > > >> viz. marriage house is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage > > is not > > > > >> going > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. > > Hence > > > > >> all these are going to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected > > with > > > > >> house B by placement or > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa > > contribute to > > > > >> full delay. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in > > Navamsa can > > > > >> moderate the delay. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and > > hence > > > > >> for the delay to be over > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So > > deducting > > > > >> approximately 10 months > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we > > get a > > > > >> period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other > > delay is > > > > >> possible. The native > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if > > we do > > > > >> not give any allowance > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > > > > >> marriage age comes after > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation > > of > > > > >> delay by Jupiter say the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. > > Hence > > > > >> the period for time of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, > > Mercury, > > > > >> Moon, Mars are > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 > > and 12 > > > > >> respectively. So any one > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is > > Mercury and > > > > >> LoE is Venus who will > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total > > duration is > > > > >> 13-11-2009 to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, > > the > > > > >> event is likely to happen > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part > > begins > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for > > the 7th > > > > >> house. Mars > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > > > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. > > But > > > > >> Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi > > chart. > > > > >> Again Mars is placed in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good > > results > > > > >> (a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B > > cannot > > > > >> give good > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is > > aspecting all > > > > >> the significating > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected > > during > > > > >> his sub period. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high > > points in > > > > >> worksheet. Hence no > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. > > Mercury > > > > >> does not also aspect > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take > > place > > > > >> in the first part of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the > > points > > > > >> are welcome. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of > > Saturn > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some > > background > > > > >> of myself now. I have > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and > > I > > > > >> have analysed the timing > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS > > principles. (An > > > > >> elaborate writing on my > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and > > Ashji and > > > > >> they were kind enough > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in > > an > > > > >> astrological magazine. I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > > > > >> published). But they are all > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to > > give > > > > >> proper reasons for the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the > > situation > > > > >> is different. Also in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them > > with > > > > >> other theories of which > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > > > >> present case according to Bhrigu > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th > > year of > > > > >> the native > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. > > Members > > > > >> should > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such > > thing. When > > > > >> so many charts I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS > > and > > > > >> another system of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing > > something in > > > > >> my analysis? I shall be > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > [Message clipped] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Sorry the degree should have been 20 to 23deg40. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nirvana_seeker3 Thursday April 22, 2010 9:12 PM To: Subject: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native I am not sure but I think the reason is that in these degrees, Jupiter will be in Cancer navamsa. In KAS, if the planet is in exaltation sign, it becomes weak as its aspects on other houses are weak. Nir. , Joe maya <joequest wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > The more you make us wait, the more questions are popping out of my tiny > brain. > > which are like follows: > Are you certain about it as Aries 10 deg to 13 Deg 40 ( and not 13 Deg 20)? > > If it is the 4th 3 degrees 20 of Aries, it would only ascertain to the 4th > quarter of Aswini ( Ruled by Ketu; deep exaltation of Sun); > Or in terms of Navamsa, Ju is in cancer (its own exaltation) -> if he is > exalted in Amsa, that should definitely not deprive him of abilities -> thus > it cannot be the reason > > Or is it that you are looking at this as: > If jup is in Cancer Navamsa, He would have 6:8 relation with Aq and > in the Rasi 4:10 with Aq > So is it disabling him from stopping Sa. > -> This can be the reason > > When I looked at Shashtiamsa ( 1/60 ) -> For a few degrees; Jupiter was in > Aq and Cp; But I am certain this is not the reason that you are looking it. > > So, if you making us wait, we would come up with much more bizarre analysis. > > > Regards, > Vamsee > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:16 PM, nirvana_seeker3 > <nirvana_seeker3wrote: > > > > > > > > > I pass! > > > > > > <%40>, > > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you > > Nir eh? > > > > > > <%40>, > > Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to > > > > 13deg 40? > > > > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa. > > > > Am I overlooking something here? > > > > Please guide. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vamsee > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > > > > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, > > where > > > > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. > > > > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from > > Cancer > > > > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. > > > > > > > > > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When > > Ju is > > > > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he > > wouldnot > > > > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are > > > > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. > > > > > > > > > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vamsee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 < > > > > > nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks! However couple of points - > > > > >> > > > > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as > > Saturn > > > > >> is debilitated in Aries). > > > > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up > > with > > > > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its > > power in > > > > >> Libra came up after this message was posted. > > > > >> > > > > >> Nir. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Bingo !!! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > > > >> > > > > > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > > > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani > > > > >> > - Navamsa of Shani > > > > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its > > > > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Vamsee: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all > > mythological > > > > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick > > to > > > > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is > > perfect > > > > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is > > powerful > > > > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > <%40> > > <%40>[ > > > > >> <%40> > > <%40>] > > > > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya > > > > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > > > >> > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of > > a > > > > >> Native > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hi Ash, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > > > > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot > > work. > > > > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > > > > >> Jupiter from being benign. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Regards, > > > > >> > Vamsee > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > >> > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural > > samdharmi. > > > > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn > > and 5:9 > > > > >> with Aquirius? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Nir. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it > > and let > > > > >> me know. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier > > mail. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > > > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord > > of > > > > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose > > its > > > > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become > > weak. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Nir. > > > > >> > > > > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the > > condition > > > > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > When Ju is in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > > > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > > > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > > > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to > > check > > > > >> the delay... > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > > > > > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in > > Libra in > > > > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I > > assume that > > > > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check > > any > > > > >> delay. Am I correct? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nir. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they > > will > > > > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for > > > > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are > > like > > > > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse > > this with > > > > >> 5:9. This is very specific. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and > > that is > > > > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga > > then we > > > > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in > > the WS. > > > > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So > > do not > > > > >> confuse this principle. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check > > the > > > > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That > > is the > > > > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus > > then the > > > > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 > > bindus then > > > > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus > > then it > > > > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing > > of > > > > >> event. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ash > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; > > 10 N > > > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Questions: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a > > love > > > > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator > > planet Venus > > > > >> in both D-1 and D-9. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord > > in a > > > > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question > > to be > > > > >> seen? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life > > there > > > > >> are yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s acting in the favour of their > > implementation and > > > > >> simultaneously there are yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s opposing their > > implementation. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s on each > > side therefore play > > > > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. > > depending upon > > > > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha > > (playing a > > > > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly > > on the > > > > >> nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality which also has contiuous > > impact of the > > > > >> surrounding environment from time to time. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that > > its > > > > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the > > check of > > > > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn > > in both > > > > >> D-1 and D-9 charts. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th > > and > > > > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th > > lord also > > > > >> leads to love affair. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting > > strong > > > > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget > > that the > > > > >> aspect of Ju is malefic. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on > > Moon, the > > > > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the > > native > > > > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and > > > > >> opposing yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s for love affair in this case, the > > balance tilts in > > > > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing > > act we > > > > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness > > against other > > > > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 > > with > > > > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married > > life. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that > > Ju has > > > > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 > > > > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not > > be very > > > > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws > > approve it. > > > > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the > > yogaÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s > > > > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might > > help in > > > > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of > > the > > > > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so > > one might > > > > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he > > got a > > > > >> Post graduate degree > > > > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign > > placement in > > > > >> August 2007 through > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that > > Jupiter is > > > > >> aspecting > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > > > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > > > > >> position of Lagna Lord and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a > > happy > > > > >> married life > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > > > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > > > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and > > there is a > > > > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > > > > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd > > sector. > > > > >> Additionally > > > > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > > > > >> postpone it to the 2nd > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sector. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > > > > >> marriage is also a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may > > not be > > > > >> any such relationship > > > > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > > > > >> significator planet Venus > > > > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>< > > > > >> %40 > > <%2540>> > > > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E > > 23; 10 N > > > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the > > > > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > > > > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay > > is > > > > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event > > before > > > > >> 17th Sept 2010. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa > > aspects > > > > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it > > has > > > > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very > > weak with > > > > >> only 8 points. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th > > house, > > > > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we > > find > > > > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are > > not > > > > >> more than 4). > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give > > > > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus > > Sa > > > > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, > > owing to > > > > >> it being delay causing planet). > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD > > (low > > > > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of > > nativeÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s life is quite > > > > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its > > M.F. > > > > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required > > 12. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is > > > > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th > > lord. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > > Moon is controlled by > > > > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s > > personality (1st house) also has > > > > >> RahuÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'¢â€žÂ¢s strong effect (The Asc > > in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > > > > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects > > and/or > > > > >> results. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his > > > > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and > > many > > > > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the > > delay > > > > >> had already happened. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to > > this > > > > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector > > itself. > > > > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can > > extend > > > > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of > > marriage of > > > > >> a male native who is in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST > > -5:30 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Su > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > > > >> tested it when the native > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and > > analysed it > > > > >> for job placement. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn > > in the > > > > >> 5th house in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of > > Jupiter > > > > >> in Libra Navamsa. While > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of > > the > > > > >> marriage, the second thing > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, > > because > > > > >> there are no zeros in SAV > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and > > Venus is > > > > >> not greater than 43 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question > > of No > > > > >> marriage is not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the > > Worksheet > > > > >> points for the 5th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only > > Venus > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house > > Saturn, > > > > >> Jupiter and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is > > like > > > > >> this: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result > > out of > > > > >> marriage. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the > > relationship > > > > >> would be moderate but one > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the > > relationship > > > > >> would be tolerable. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with > > Sun > > > > >> and Mercury. The > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 > > degrees > > > > >> and hence it is not > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and > > also > > > > >> by Jupiter(malefic > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can > > control > > > > >> Venus, but here since the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. > > Hence > > > > >> Venus gets spoiled. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who > > is > > > > >> equally represented by > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa > > also > > > > >> Venus is being > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since > > bindus > > > > >> are not taken into > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by > > Jupiter). > > > > >> Both Mars and Saturn have > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > > > > >> neutral but for the fact > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is > > placed in > > > > >> the 6th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed > > in a > > > > >> malefic house becomes a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars > > does not > > > > >> have more points (i.e. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars > > is not > > > > >> going affect much. In > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the > > luminaries > > > > >> Sun in both Rasi and > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets > > afflicted > > > > >> at least moderately both > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). > > Being > > > > >> placed in the 12th, > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But > > he is > > > > >> conjoined > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus > > than > > > > >> Moon (in whose > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points > > for > > > > >> Venus for the 12th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting > > the > > > > >> aspect of 6th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. > > So we > > > > >> can conclude that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite > > house > > > > >> Lord Mercury is having a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of > > house B > > > > >> viz. marriage house is > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage > > is not > > > > >> going > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. > > Hence > > > > >> all these are going to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected > > with > > > > >> house B by placement or > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa > > contribute to > > > > >> full delay. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in > > Navamsa can > > > > >> moderate the delay. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and > > hence > > > > >> for the delay to be over > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So > > deducting > > > > >> approximately 10 months > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we > > get a > > > > >> period of 26 Years and 8 > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other > > delay is > > > > >> possible. The native > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if > > we do > > > > >> not give any allowance > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > > > > >> marriage age comes after > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation > > of > > > > >> delay by Jupiter say the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. > > Hence > > > > >> the period for time of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, > > Mercury, > > > > >> Moon, Mars are > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 > > and 12 > > > > >> respectively. So any one > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is > > Mercury and > > > > >> LoE is Venus who will > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total > > duration is > > > > >> 13-11-2009 to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, > > the > > > > >> event is likely to happen > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part > > begins > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for > > the 7th > > > > >> house. Mars > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > > > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. > > But > > > > >> Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi > > chart. > > > > >> Again Mars is placed in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good > > results > > > > >> (a > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B > > cannot > > > > >> give good > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is > > aspecting all > > > > >> the significating > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected > > during > > > > >> his sub period. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high > > points in > > > > >> worksheet. Hence no > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. > > Mercury > > > > >> does not also aspect > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take > > place > > > > >> in the first part of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the > > points > > > > >> are welcome. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of > > Saturn > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some > > background > > > > >> of myself now. I have > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and > > I > > > > >> have analysed the timing > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS > > principles. (An > > > > >> elaborate writing on my > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and > > Ashji and > > > > >> they were kind enough > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in > > an > > > > >> astrological magazine. I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > > > > >> published). But they are all > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to > > give > > > > >> proper reasons for the > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the > > situation > > > > >> is different. Also in > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them > > with > > > > >> other theories of which > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > > > >> present case according to Bhrigu > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th > > year of > > > > >> the native > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. > > Members > > > > >> should > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such > > thing. When > > > > >> so many charts I > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS > > and > > > > >> another system of > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing > > something in > > > > >> my analysis? I shall be > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > [Message clipped] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Dear Vamsee,      I think Ashji have made typo in hurry. It should be arises 20 degree to 23:40. Thanks krushana  On 4/23/10, Joe maya <joequest wrote:  Dear Ash,  The more you make us wait, the more questions are popping out of my tiny brain.  which are like follows: Are you certain about it as Aries 10 deg to 13 Deg 40 ( and not 13 Deg 20)?  If it is the 4th 3 degrees 20 of Aries, it would only ascertain to the 4th quarter of Aswini ( Ruled by Ketu; deep exaltation of Sun); Or in terms of Navamsa, Ju is in cancer (its own exaltation) -> if he is exalted in Amsa, that should definitely not deprive him of abilities -> thus it cannot be the reason  Or is it that you are looking at this as: If jup is in Cancer Navamsa, He would have 6:8 relation with Aq and in the Rasi 4:10 with Aq So is it disabling him from stopping Sa. -> This can be the reason  When I looked at Shashtiamsa ( 1/60 ) -> For a few degrees; Jupiter was in Aq and Cp; But I am certain this is not the reason that you are looking it.  So, if you making us wait, we would come up with much more bizarre analysis.  Regards, Vamsee  On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:16 PM, nirvana_seeker3 <nirvana_seeker3 wrote:  I pass! , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you Nir eh?> > , Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > >> > Dear Ash,> > > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to> > 13deg 40?> > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa.> > Am I overlooking something here? > > Please guide.> > > > Regards,> > Vamsee> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest@> wrote:> > > > > Dear NS, > > >> > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where> > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case.> > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer > > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right.> > >> > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is> > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot > > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are> > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials.> > >> > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > >> > > Regards,> > > Vamsee.> > >> > >> > >> > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 <> > > nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > >>> > >>> > >> Thanks! However couple of points -> > >>> > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn > > >> is debilitated in Aries).> > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with> > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in > > >> Libra came up after this message was posted.> > >>> > >> Nir.> > >>> > >>> > >> <%40>, > > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS,> > >> >> > >> > Bingo !!!> > >> > > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani.> > >> >> > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the> > >> >> > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani> > >> > - Navamsa of Shani> > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its> > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Vamsee:> > >> >> > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological> > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to > > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect> > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful> > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > Cheers !!!> > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > >>> > >> >> > >> > <%40>[ > > >> <%40>] > > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya> > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM> > >> > <%40> > > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a> > >> Native> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Hi Ash,> > >> > > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn.> > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work.> > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > > >> Jupiter from being benign.> > >> >> > >> > Regards,> > >> > Vamsee> > >> >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > >> >> > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it.> > >> >> > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Cheers !!!> > >> > Ash> > >> >> > >> > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi.> > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 > > >> with Aquirius?> > >> > >> > >> > > Nir.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for.> > >> > > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let> > >> me know.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > >> > > >> > >> > > > Cheers !!!> > >> > > > Ash> > >> > > >> > >> > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of > > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its> > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak.> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Nir.> > >> > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Nir,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition > > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn?> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > When Ju is in> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT)> > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa> > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa> > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check> > >> the delay...> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > >> > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in > > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that> > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any> > >> delay. Am I correct? > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Nir.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will> > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for> > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like > > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with> > >> 5:9. This is very specific.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is > > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we> > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS.> > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not > > >> confuse this principle.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the> > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the > > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the> > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then> > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it > > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of> > >> event.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > > > Ash> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N> > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Questions:> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love > > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus> > >> in both D-1 and D-9.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a > > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be> > >> seen?> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji,> > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there> > >> are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and > > >> simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play > > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon> > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a> > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the > > >> native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the> > >> surrounding environment from time to time.> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its> > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of> > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both > > >> D-1 and D-9 charts.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and > > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also> > >> leads to love affair.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong > > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the> > >> aspect of Ju is malefic.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the > > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native> > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and> > >> opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in> > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we> > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other > > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with> > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has > > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9> > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very> > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it.> > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s> > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in> > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the > > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might> > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir,> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I> > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a > > >> Post graduate degree> > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in> > >> August 2007 through> > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not> > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is > > >> aspecting> > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's> > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > > >> position of Lagna Lord and> > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy> > >> married life> > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji,> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay> > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a> > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector.> > >> Additionally> > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > > >> postpone it to the 2nd> > >> > > > > > > > > sector.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the> > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > > >> marriage is also a> > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be> > >> any such relationship> > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > > >> significator planet Venus> > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa?> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala> > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian)> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the> > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara?> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is> > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before > > >> 17th Sept 2010.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects> > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has> > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with > > >> only 8 points.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house,> > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find> > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not > > >> more than 4).> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give> > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa> > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to > > >> it being delay causing planet).> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low> > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s life is quite > > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. > > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is> > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s Moon is controlled by > > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality (1st house) also has> > >> RahuÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or> > >> results.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his> > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many > > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay> > >> had already happened.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this> > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. > > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend> > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of> > >> a male native who is in > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May,> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > As> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Su> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion> > >> tested it when the native > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it> > >> for job placement. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the> > >> 5th house in> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter> > >> in Libra Navamsa. While> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the> > >> marriage, the second thing> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because> > >> there are no zeros in SAV> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is> > >> not greater than 43> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No> > >> marriage is not> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet> > >> points for the 5th> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, > > >> Jupiter and> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like> > >> this:> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart:> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of > > >> marriage.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship> > >> would be moderate but one > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship> > >> would be tolerable.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun> > >> and Mercury. The> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees> > >> and hence it is not> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also> > >> by Jupiter(malefic> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control> > >> Venus, but here since the> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence> > >> Venus gets spoiled.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is> > >> equally represented by> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also> > >> Venus is being> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus > > >> are not taken into> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). > > >> Both Mars and Saturn have> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > > >> neutral but for the fact> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in > > >> the 6th> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a> > >> malefic house becomes a > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not> > >> have more points (i.e. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not> > >> going affect much. In > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries> > >> Sun in both Rasi and > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted> > >> at least moderately both > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being > > >> placed in the 12th,> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is > > >> conjoined> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than> > >> Moon (in whose > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for> > >> Venus for the 12th > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the> > >> aspect of 6th> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we> > >> can conclude that> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 28.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house > > >> Lord Mercury is having a> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B > > >> viz. marriage house is> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not > > >> going> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence> > >> all these are going to> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with> > >> house B by placement or> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to> > >> full delay.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can> > >> moderate the delay.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence> > >> for the delay to be over> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting> > >> approximately 10 months> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a> > >> period of 26 Years and 8> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is > > >> possible. The native> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do > > >> not give any allowance> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > > >> marriage age comes after> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of > > >> delay by Jupiter say the> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence > > >> the period for time of> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury,> > >> Moon, Mars are> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 > > >> respectively. So any one> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and > > >> LoE is Venus who will> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is> > >> 13-11-2009 to> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the > > >> event is likely to happen> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th> > >> house. Mars> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the> > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But> > >> Mars is Lord of 6th.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart.> > >> Again Mars is placed in> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results> > >> (a> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot > > >> give good> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all> > >> the significating > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during> > >> his sub period. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in> > >> worksheet. Hence no > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury> > >> does not also aspect > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place> > >> in the first part of > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points > > >> are welcome.> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara?> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background > > >> of myself now. I have> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I > > >> have analysed the timing> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An > > >> elaborate writing on my> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and > > >> they were kind enough> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an > > >> astrological magazine. I> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > > >> published). But they are all> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give > > >> proper reasons for the> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation > > >> is different. Also in> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with > > >> other theories of which> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > >> present case according to Bhrigu> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of > > >> the native> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members> > >> should > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When> > >> so many charts I > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and> > >> another system of > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in> > >> my analysis? 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Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Guruji and Ash,Thanks for the correction.When it is Aries 20 to 23 Deg 40It looks as, Ju in Bharani 3rd Quarter ( Ve is natural SD to Sa) [ From Aries 20 Deg to 20 Deg 20] in the Amsa Ju being in Saturns Exaltation sign.And this is not possible in any Venus's star again.And the last 20 Minutes, it due to the infancy that we spoke earlier...? @NS..I dont think we consider that an exalted planet's sight is malign, as we consider what bindus does the planet contribute to the house. If Ju is in cancer, but gives only 2 bindus, we still consider its sight benign. Regards,Vamsee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 there was a typo in my email as well.The actual line was:It looks as, Ju in Bharani 3rd Quarter ( Ve is natural SD to Sa) [ From Aries 20 Deg to 23 Deg 20]On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Joe maya <joequest wrote: Dear Guruji and Ash,Thanks for the correction.When it is Aries 20 to 23 Deg 40 It looks as, Ju in Bharani 3rd Quarter ( Ve is natural SD to Sa) [ From Aries 20 Deg to 20 Deg 20] in the Amsa Ju being in Saturns Exaltation sign.And this is not possible in any Venus's star again.And the last 20 Minutes, it due to the infancy that we spoke earlier...? @NS..I dont think we consider that an exalted planet's sight is malign, as we consider what bindus does the planet contribute to the house. If Ju is in cancer, but gives only 2 bindus, we still consider its sight benign. Regards,Vamsee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 No you are right. It is 20 deg to 23deg20 (again there was a typo in my mail). Sorry for causing confusion. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 4:51 AM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native there was a typo in my email as well. The actual line was: It looks as, Ju in Bharani 3rd Quarter ( Ve is natural SD to Sa) [ From Aries 20 Deg to 23 Deg 20] On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Joe maya <joequest wrote: Dear Guruji and Ash, Thanks for the correction. When it is Aries 20 to 23 Deg 40 It looks as, Ju in Bharani 3rd Quarter ( Ve is natural SD to Sa) [ From Aries 20 Deg to 20 Deg 20] in the Amsa Ju being in Saturns Exaltation sign. And this is not possible in any Venus's star again. And the last 20 Minutes, it due to the infancy that we spoke earlier...? @NS.. I dont think we consider that an exalted planet's sight is malign, as we consider what bindus does the planet contribute to the house. If Ju is in cancer, but gives only 2 bindus, we still consider its sight benign. Regards, Vamsee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 wow Ash.. I got it right this time.. is it.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Ash,As you said in the email,Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra.I just found it interesting thatWhen Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa again.Regards,Vamsee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Yes, you did J Well done. So, we have to be careful and studying the degree of planet is important. That will give the position of the planet in Navamsa. We in KAS are giving equal status to Rasi and Navamsa and we check for combination in both Rasi and Navamsa. I hope Nir, you got the idea and cleared your concept on solid footing and a concrete base. This is a very important concept, please remember this going in the future. Both you boys are very intelligent and these concepts will come very handy as you go deeper into the system. However, keep practicing on many many charts and start to build your experience and you will go very far in grasping this system. This system needs young and sharp minds like yours to grasp this system. Keep it up. Solve as many charts as you can get your hands on and apply these principles. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 9:12 AM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash, As you said in the email, Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra. I just found it interesting that When Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa again. Regards, Vamsee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Guru ji, Pranam. Thank you for pointing out my typo. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of krushana Jugal Thursday April 22, 2010 11:57 PM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Vamsee, I think Ashji have made typo in hurry. It should be arises 20 degree to 23:40. Thanks krushana On 4/23/10, Joe maya <joequest wrote: Dear Ash, The more you make us wait, the more questions are popping out of my tiny brain. which are like follows: Are you certain about it as Aries 10 deg to 13 Deg 40 ( and not 13 Deg 20)? If it is the 4th 3 degrees 20 of Aries, it would only ascertain to the 4th quarter of Aswini ( Ruled by Ketu; deep exaltation of Sun); Or in terms of Navamsa, Ju is in cancer (its own exaltation) -> if he is exalted in Amsa, that should definitely not deprive him of abilities -> thus it cannot be the reason Or is it that you are looking at this as: If jup is in Cancer Navamsa, He would have 6:8 relation with Aq and in the Rasi 4:10 with Aq So is it disabling him from stopping Sa. -> This can be the reason When I looked at Shashtiamsa ( 1/60 ) -> For a few degrees; Jupiter was in Aq and Cp; But I am certain this is not the reason that you are looking it. So, if you making us wait, we would come up with much more bizarre analysis. Regards, Vamsee On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:16 PM, nirvana_seeker3 <nirvana_seeker3 wrote: I pass! , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Maybe Nir can return the favour and answer your question... what say you Nir eh? > > , Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Why is it that Jupiter cannot check the Sa delay when in Aries 10deg to > > 13deg 40? > > He is neither in Sa's star of Sa Navamsa. > > Am I overlooking something here? > > Please guide. > > > > Regards, > > Vamsee > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Joe maya <joequest@> wrote: > > > > > Dear NS, > > > > > > If we are talking of gradual empowerment of Jupiter in the 12 houses, where > > > in Libra he is of no strength, Such would be the case. > > > If the above is the case, we are redefining Jupiters exaltation from Cancer > > > to Aries ( calling him very strong in Aries ), which is not right. > > > > > > But to my understanding, What we are adhering here to, is that, When Ju is > > > placed in Sa's exaltation, he will not go powerless, rather he wouldnot > > > interfere in checking saturn and there by causing delay - what we are > > > terming as Ju Delay in Nuptials. > > > > > > If what I said is not right, Please correct me Ash. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vamsee. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, nirvana_seeker3 < > > > nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks! However couple of points - > > >> > > >> 1. by this logic, should Jupiter be considered strong in Aries (as Saturn > > >> is debilitated in Aries). > > >> 2. I was trying to search for this topic in the archive, and came up with > > >> message 1175. Sounds like that this reason for Jupiter loosing its power in > > >> Libra came up after this message was posted. > > >> > > >> Nir. > > >> > > >> > > >> <%40>, > > >> " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Dear Vamsee and NS, > > >> > > > >> > Bingo !!! > > >> > > > >> > The key is that Libra is the unccha sign of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > Therefore the logic is that when Guru is in the > > >> > > > >> > - Sign of Shani (i.e. own sign is Cap and Mool trikon is Aqu) > > >> > - Nakshatra of Shani > > >> > - Navamsa of Shani > > >> > - And Libra which is the uncha sign of Shani, Guru then looses its > > >> ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Vamsee: > > >> > > > >> > I do not know about Karmic debt etc, those things are all mythological > > >> or philosophical so that does not make it scientific. We will stick to > > >> science here and concrete logic. The logic which you have given is perfect > > >> about Libra being the unccha sign of Shani and its where Shani is powerful > > >> therefore Guru looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > >> > > >> > > > >> > <%40>[ > > >> <%40>] > > >> On Behalf Of Joe maya > > >> > Wednesday April 21, 2010 7:14 PM > > >> > <%40> > > >> > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a > > >> Native > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hi Ash, > > >> > > > >> > Is it because Libra is the exaltation sign for Saturn. > > >> > And where Saturn is exalted, a head priest like Jupiter cannot work. > > >> > I mean, when Karmic debts are at a peak, it would tie the hands of > > >> Jupiter from being benign. > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Vamsee > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > hmmm... ok.. I shall wait for other members to think over it. > > >> > > > >> > Take some more time and think over it. I know you will get it. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Cheers !!! > > >> > Ash > > >> > > > >> > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > No idea. Are you hinting at Venus and Saturn being natural samdharmi. > > >> And, if Jupiter is in Libra, there is 4:10 relation with Capricorn and 5:9 > > >> with Aquirius? > > >> > > > > >> > > Nir. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > That is fine, however its not what I was looking for. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I have given you hint in my mail as well. Think more over it and let > > >> me know. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Go with the basic. The answer or the hint is in my earlier mail. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > >> > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > In an Aries lagna chart (kalpurush chart), Jupiter as a lord of > > >> 12th placed in Libra will be in 8th house from 12th. It will loose its > > >> karakatwa (I think this is the right word!), and as such will become weak. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Just think over this more carefully. What are the condition > > >> under which Ju cannot check the delay of Saturn? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > When Ju is in > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > - Sign of Sa (own sign and MT) > > >> > > > > > - Nak of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Navamsa of Sa > > >> > > > > > - Ju is in Libra > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Now, what is special about libra for Ju not being able to check > > >> the delay... > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Think and let me know. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nirvana_seeker3 " <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks Ash for you mail. In this chart, Jupiter is in Libra in > > >> navamsa. Will its aspect on Saturn in navamsa check any delay? I assume that > > >> since Jupiter in Libra is weak, its aspect on Saturn will not check any > > >> delay. Am I correct? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nir. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - 5:9 is 5:9. If the planet are very close then they will > > >> come together in navamsa and become SD. What you are doing is for > > >> relationship or 1:1 so if 2 planets are > 15 deg apart then they are like > > >> 2:12 and if closer than 15 then they are like 4:10. Do not confuse this with > > >> 5:9. This is very specific. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - Ju aspecting Venus means Ju is checking Venus and that is > > >> irrespective of the points. When we add the layer of Ashtakavarga then we > > >> are seeing the reflection of the powers and that gets computed in the WS. > > >> Therefore that we use for Timing of Event and judge accordingly. So do not > > >> confuse this principle. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa when it aspects LOABC or House ABC we do not check the > > >> power of Sa. It still causes delay irrespective of its points. That is the > > >> nature of Saturn. If Sa is in 5th house and with more than 4 bindus then the > > >> WS points for Sa will become very less. If lets say Sa is with 6 bindus then > > >> itself it will reduce the power in WS by 18. If its with 2 bindus then it > > >> will ADD 18 points in the WS so based on that we can find the timing of > > >> event. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > >> > > > > > > > Ash > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 21.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Questions: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Is there a possibility that there may not be a love > > >> relationship due to aspect of Jupiter on strongest significator planet Venus > > >> in both D-1 and D-9. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a > > >> 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be > > >> seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramanian ji, > > >> > > > > > > > > I think that for the majority of the events in life there > > >> are yoga’s acting in the favour of their implementation and > > >> simultaneously there are yoga’s opposing their implementation. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The power of the yoga’s on each side therefore play > > >> the most important role and such powers vary with time (i.e. depending upon > > >> the Ju + Sa points), Mahadasha (showing the Karaktwa), Antardasha (playing a > > >> bigger role in the events getting implemented) and quite importantly on the > > >> native’s personality which also has contiuous impact of the > > >> surrounding environment from time to time. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Jupiter is having 7 BAV points which means that its > > >> aspect on the 11th house which contains Venus, is malefic. So the check of > > >> Ju on Ve cannot be termed as a strong check. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then Ju is weak for 7th house. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is in trine in D-9 and it is aspected by Saturn in both > > >> D-1 and D-9 charts. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Ve is also lord of 12th and Ju is also lord of 10th and > > >> one of the laws state that that linkage between 12th lord and 10th lord also > > >> leads to love affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > That Ju incidently is the 10th lord here aspecting strong > > >> significator Ve, is another matter but we should also not forget that the > > >> aspect of Ju is malefic. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The existing AD of Saturn, the effect of Rahu on Moon, the > > >> generally prevailing free environment in the foreign land where the native > > >> is right now also needs to be taken into account. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Therefore when we try to balance the favorable and > > >> opposing yoga’s for love affair in this case, the balance tilts in > > >> the favour of the occurrence of affair. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > For the 2nd question again if we do the balancing act we > > >> find that there is one 5:9 combination which favours happiness against other > > >> factors (Ju in Libra in D-9, Ju in Ve navansh, Mo and Su being 6:8 with > > >> their opposite house lords) trying to impose unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 5:9 combination is made by Me and Ju. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we closely watch their degrees then we find that Ju has > > >> >20 degrees and Me has >3degrees which means that the perfect 5:9 > > >> combination is not there and it is more toward 4:10 combination. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So perhaps the efficacy of this 5:9 yoga might not be very > > >> strong; this I am just thinking and am not very sure if KAS laws approve it. > > >> I would like our Moderators to throw might on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If it is so then the net result of the yoga’s > > >> relevant to this facet gets tilted towards unhappiness. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > However the one relationship of 5:9 measure, might help in > > >> keeping the unhappiness issue under wraps and prevent disclosure of the > > >> facts by the couple concerned; it may get matured with age and so one might > > >> never know the exact feeling of the partners. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:23:35 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The only event that I > > >> > > > > > > > > could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a > > >> Post graduate degree > > >> > > > > > > > > from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in > > >> August 2007 through > > >> > > > > > > > > Campus placement. He shifted his job in > > >> > > > > > > > > the foreign country in September 2009. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The reasons for not > > >> > > > > > > > > considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is > > >> aspecting > > >> > > > > > > > > Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, This native's > > >> > > > > > > > > chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the > > >> position of Lagna Lord and > > >> > > > > > > > > the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy > > >> married life > > >> > > > > > > > > is a big question to be seen? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also Nikhleshji has > > >> > > > > > > > > given nice explanations. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very good analysis. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn the delay > > >> > > > > > > > > causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a > > >> mutual (1:7) aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. > > >> Additionally > > >> > > > > > > > > as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may > > >> postpone it to the 2nd > > >> > > > > > > > > sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As regards the > > >> > > > > > > > > relationship turning into love and fructifying into > > >> marriage is also a > > >> > > > > > > > > possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be > > >> any such relationship > > >> > > > > > > > > because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest > > >> significator planet Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala > > >> > > > > > > > > Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40>< > > >> %40<%2540>> > > >> , " nikhlesh mathur " wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N > > >> 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the > > >> marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and > > >> therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is > > >> over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before > > >> 17th Sept 2010. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects > > >> houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has > > >> high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with > > >> only 8 points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, > > >> which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find > > >> that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not > > >> more than 4). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give > > >> marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa > > >> being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to > > >> it being delay causing planet). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low > > >> power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This aspect of nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s life is quite > > >> obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. > > >> (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is > > >> comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s Moon is controlled by > > >> Rahu and the nativeÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s personality (1st house) also has > > >> RahuÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has > > >> good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or > > >> results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his > > >> acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many > > >> times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay > > >> had already happened. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this > > >> native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. > > >> However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend > > >> the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 16th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 2010 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We are going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of > > >> a male native who is in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the marriageable age. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chart is of a male member. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Planet > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Degrees > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 7 Ge 25 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ardra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Su > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 21 Ar 7 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bharani > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26 Ta 23 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mrigashira > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ma > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 0 Sc 36 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > MeR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JuR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Sg 12 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > P.Asadha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ve > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 9 Ar 39 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Aswini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > SaR > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 20 Li 17 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Visakha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ju > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ra > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Ta 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mo > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ke > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 15 Sc 13 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anuradha > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sa > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion > > >> tested it when the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it > > >> for job placement. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the > > >> 5th house in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter > > >> in Libra Navamsa. While > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the > > >> marriage, the second thing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because > > >> there are no zeros in SAV > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is > > >> not greater than 43 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No > > >> marriage is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet > > >> points for the 5th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, > > >> Jupiter and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sun have low points. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like > > >> this: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of > > >> marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be moderate but one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > will try to dominate the other. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship > > >> would be tolerable. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun > > >> and Mercury. The > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees > > >> and hence it is not > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also > > >> by Jupiter(malefic > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control > > >> Venus, but here since the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence > > >> Venus gets spoiled. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is > > >> equally represented by > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also > > >> Venus is being > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus > > >> are not taken into > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). > > >> Both Mars and Saturn have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as > > >> neutral but for the fact > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in > > >> the 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a > > >> malefic house becomes a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not > > >> have more points (i.e. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not > > >> going affect much. In > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries > > >> Sun in both Rasi and > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted > > >> at least moderately both > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being > > >> placed in the 12th, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is > > >> conjoined > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than > > >> Moon (in whose > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for > > >> Venus for the 12th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the > > >> aspect of 6th > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we > > >> can conclude that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 28. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house > > >> Lord Mercury is having a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B > > >> viz. marriage house is > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to get some deficiency. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not > > >> going > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to be a bed of roses. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence > > >> all these are going to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with > > >> house B by placement or > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > aspect. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > timing of marriage. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to > > >> full delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can > > >> moderate the delay. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence > > >> for the delay to be over > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting > > >> approximately 10 months > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a > > >> period of 26 Years and 8 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > months. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is > > >> possible. The native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do > > >> not give any allowance > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his > > >> marriage age comes after > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of > > >> delay by Jupiter say the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence > > >> the period for time of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage is ripe now. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, > > >> Moon, Mars are > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 > > >> respectively. So any one > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and > > >> LoE is Venus who will > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > be more eager to give the results. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is > > >> 13-11-2009 to > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the > > >> event is likely to happen > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > on 21st July 2011. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th > > >> house. Mars > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the > > >> Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But > > >> Mars is Lord of 6th. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. > > >> Again Mars is placed in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results > > >> (a > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot > > >> give good > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all > > >> the significating > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during > > >> his sub period. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in > > >> worksheet. Hence no > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury > > >> does not also aspect > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place > > >> in the first part of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Antara. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points > > >> are welcome. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to ask the members is this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Antara? > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background > > >> of myself now. I have > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I > > >> have analysed the timing > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An > > >> elaborate writing on my > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and > > >> they were kind enough > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an > > >> astrological magazine. I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is > > >> published). But they are all > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give > > >> proper reasons for the > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation > > >> is different. Also in > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with > > >> other theories of which > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the > > >> present case according to Bhrigu > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of > > >> the native > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members > > >> should > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When > > >> so many charts I > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and > > >> another system of > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in > > >> my analysis? I shall be > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > glad to have your views on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > .... [Message clipped] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (21) Recent Activity: New Members 2 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Toolbar now. Error! 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Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Vamsee, You are correct, in Cancer if Guru is from 10 to 13deg20 too it cannot check the delay. Also in Cancer, there is also nakshatra of Shani there as well so again, there Guru will not be able to check the delay of Shani. Therefore, if you just go by unccha rasi and try to judge the power of Guru i.e. Power of Guru to check the delay of Shani, then one can go wrong as in the sign of Shani, Guru has the potential to be - In Pushya nakshatra of Shani - From 10 to 13deg20 it cannot check delay of Shani - From 20 to 26deg40 it cannot check delay of Shani In KAS, we are studying all these degrees or in other words, status of Guru very closely to judge if Guru has the capacity to moderate the delay of Shani, if it aspects it. That is the theory. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 9:12 AM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash, As you said in the email, Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra. I just found it interesting that When Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa again. Regards, Vamsee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Ash, You already mentioned:Ju when in Aries at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Bharani ( Venus ) and then in Libra NavamsaLook at the below now:Ju when in Leo at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Phaluguni ( Venus ) and then in Libra Navamsa Ju when in Sag at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Ashada ( Venus) and then in Libra Navamsa.I think we can make it a law:That Jupiter in 3rd Quarter of any star with Venus Lord Ship ( i.e., Bhar, PPhalguni, PAshada) cannot check saturn Delay.Regards,Vamsee10 Deg - 13 Deg 20 in Anuradha ( Saturn ) and in Libra Navamsa On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Dear Vamsee, You are correct, in Cancer if Guru is from 10 to 13deg20 too it cannot check the delay. Also in Cancer, there is also nakshatra of Shani there as well so again, there Guru will not be able to check the delay of Shani. Therefore, if you just go by unccha rasi and try to judge the power of Guru i.e. Power of Guru to check the delay of Shani, then one can go wrong as in the sign of Shani, Guru has the potential to be - In Pushya nakshatra of Shani - From 10 to 13deg20 it cannot check delay of Shani - From 20 to 26deg40 it cannot check delay of Shani In KAS, we are studying all these degrees or in other words, status of Guru very closely to judge if Guru has the capacity to moderate the delay of Shani, if it aspects it. That is the theory. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 9:12 AM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash, As you said in the email, Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra. I just found it interesting that When Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa again. Regards, Vamsee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Vamsee, Why are you seeing nakshatra. Check the navamsa. Unless its nakshatra of Shani then Guru cannot check delay. Remove the layer of nakshatra unless you are checking it for it being lorded by Shani. Rest it does not matter, in who’s nakshatara it is. If its in Venus or Mars or Guru etc anyones nakshatra, but if it is in navamsa of libra or of shani then it looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. Just understand the concept which is that - If ju is in rasi of sa - If ju is in nakshatra of sa - If ju is in navamsa of sa - If ju is in navamsa of libra Then ju cannot check the delay of Sa. Keep it at that and do not add the layer of checking the nakshatra. That is covered in point 2 above. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash, You already mentioned: Ju when in Aries at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Bharani ( Venus ) and then in Libra Navamsa Look at the below now: Ju when in Leo at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Phaluguni ( Venus ) and then in Libra Navamsa Ju when in Sag at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Ashada ( Venus) and then in Libra Navamsa. I think we can make it a law: That Jupiter in 3rd Quarter of any star with Venus Lord Ship ( i.e., Bhar, PPhalguni, PAshada) cannot check saturn Delay. Regards, Vamsee 10 Deg - 13 Deg 20 in Anuradha ( Saturn ) and in Libra Navamsa On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Dear Vamsee, You are correct, in Cancer if Guru is from 10 to 13deg20 too it cannot check the delay. Also in Cancer, there is also nakshatra of Shani there as well so again, there Guru will not be able to check the delay of Shani. Therefore, if you just go by unccha rasi and try to judge the power of Guru i.e. Power of Guru to check the delay of Shani, then one can go wrong as in the sign of Shani, Guru has the potential to be - In Pushya nakshatra of Shani - From 10 to 13deg20 it cannot check delay of Shani - From 20 to 26deg40 it cannot check delay of Shani In KAS, we are studying all these degrees or in other words, status of Guru very closely to judge if Guru has the capacity to moderate the delay of Shani, if it aspects it. That is the theory. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 9:12 AM Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash, As you said in the email, Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra. I just found it interesting that When Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa again. Regards, Vamsee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dear Ash,Yup.. concept understood. :)Thanks a ton for supporting my learning. Regards,VamseeOn Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Dear Vamsee, Why are you seeing nakshatra. Check the navamsa. Unless its nakshatra of Shani then Guru cannot check delay. Remove the layer of nakshatra unless you are checking it for it being lorded by Shani. Rest it does not matter, in who’s nakshatara it is. If its in Venus or Mars or Guru etc anyones nakshatra, but if it is in navamsa of libra or of shani then it looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. Just understand the concept which is that - If ju is in rasi of sa - If ju is in nakshatra of sa - If ju is in navamsa of sa - If ju is in navamsa of libra Then ju cannot check the delay of Sa. Keep it at that and do not add the layer of checking the nakshatra. That is covered in point 2 above. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash, You already mentioned: Ju when in Aries at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Bharani ( Venus ) and then in Libra Navamsa Look at the below now: Ju when in Leo at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Phaluguni ( Venus ) and then in Libra Navamsa Ju when in Sag at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Ashada ( Venus) and then in Libra Navamsa. I think we can make it a law: That Jupiter in 3rd Quarter of any star with Venus Lord Ship ( i.e., Bhar, PPhalguni, PAshada) cannot check saturn Delay. Regards, Vamsee 10 Deg - 13 Deg 20 in Anuradha ( Saturn ) and in Libra Navamsa On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Dear Vamsee, You are correct, in Cancer if Guru is from 10 to 13deg20 too it cannot check the delay. Also in Cancer, there is also nakshatra of Shani there as well so again, there Guru will not be able to check the delay of Shani. Therefore, if you just go by unccha rasi and try to judge the power of Guru i.e. Power of Guru to check the delay of Shani, then one can go wrong as in the sign of Shani, Guru has the potential to be - In Pushya nakshatra of Shani - From 10 to 13deg20 it cannot check delay of Shani - From 20 to 26deg40 it cannot check delay of Shani In KAS, we are studying all these degrees or in other words, status of Guru very closely to judge if Guru has the capacity to moderate the delay of Shani, if it aspects it. That is the theory. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Joe maya Friday April 23, 2010 9:12 AM Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash, As you said in the email, Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra. I just found it interesting that When Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa again. Regards, Vamsee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Dear Ash ji,Anup ji and members I was in island for 14 days and couldn't come to group and participate in discussions. In the given chart in message 22118 (4-May-1984,9:05 am,10N58,79E23) You just discussed about basics.What about answer? We can see the nature of marriage is unhappy.But it seems marriage can't take place in Sa antra.After that we have Me's Antra,but Me has good points for 7H.Is there any possibilities that marriage take place in Me's Antra? With best wishes Hussein , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vamsee, > > Why are you seeing nakshatra. Check the navamsa. Unless its nakshatra of > Shani then Guru cannot check delay. > > Remove the layer of nakshatra unless you are checking it for it being lorded > by Shani. Rest it does not matter, in who's nakshatara it is. If its in > Venus or Mars or Guru etc anyones nakshatra, but if it is in navamsa of > libra or of shani then it looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > Just understand the concept which is that > > - If ju is in rasi of sa > - If ju is in nakshatra of sa > - If ju is in navamsa of sa > - If ju is in navamsa of libra > > Then ju cannot check the delay of Sa. > > Keep it at that and do not add the layer of checking the nakshatra. That is > covered in point 2 above. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > Friday April 23, 2010 10:33 AM > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Dear Ash, > > You already mentioned: > Ju when in Aries at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Bharani ( Venus ) and then in > Libra Navamsa > > Look at the below now: > Ju when in Leo at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Phaluguni ( Venus ) and > then in Libra Navamsa > Ju when in Sag at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Ashada ( Venus) and then in > Libra Navamsa. > > I think we can make it a law: > That Jupiter in 3rd Quarter of any star with Venus Lord Ship ( i.e., Bhar, > PPhalguni, PAshada) > cannot check saturn Delay. > > Regards, > Vamsee > > > 10 Deg - 13 Deg 20 in Anuradha ( Saturn ) and in Libra Navamsa > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ash's Corner <kas > wrote: > > Dear Vamsee, > > You are correct, in Cancer if Guru is from 10 to 13deg20 too it cannot check > the delay. Also in Cancer, there is also nakshatra of Shani there as well > so again, there Guru will not be able to check the delay of Shani. > > Therefore, if you just go by unccha rasi and try to judge the power of Guru > i.e. Power of Guru to check the delay of Shani, then one can go wrong as in > the sign of Shani, Guru has the potential to be > > - In Pushya nakshatra of Shani > - From 10 to 13deg20 it cannot check delay of Shani > - From 20 to 26deg40 it cannot check delay of Shani > > In KAS, we are studying all these degrees or in other words, status of Guru > very closely to judge if Guru has the capacity to moderate the delay of > Shani, if it aspects it. That is the theory. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > Friday April 23, 2010 9:12 AM > > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Dear Ash, > > As you said in the email, > Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra. > > I just found it interesting that > When Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 > in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa > again. > > Regards, > Vamsee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Dear Group, This chart I would like to give my opinion and request Bala ji to please give feedback in due course of time. Delay in this chart is about 26 years and there after Shani’s antra starts. Shani has less power in 7th house and 5th house but good for 12th house as its LoD and placed in House E. Shani itself is delay causing planet. Blessings are not there as well. Guru is in libra as well. Therefore, happy marriage of this native cannot take place in Sa antra. Therefore Mercury antra can give marriage. It is LoD and SD to LoE therefore its very eager. 2nd sector might give marriage, Probable dates are Ve-Ra is most powerful i.e. in Oct 2013. After Feb the first powerful antra and triggering is Ma-Ve i.e. 27th Apr thru 10th May. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Hussein Monday April 26, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Ash ji,Anup ji and members I was in island for 14 days and couldn't come to group and participate in discussions. In the given chart in message 22118 (4-May-1984,9:05 am,10N58,79E23) You just discussed about basics.What about answer? We can see the nature of marriage is unhappy.But it seems marriage can't take place in Sa antra.After that we have Me's Antra,but Me has good points for 7H.Is there any possibilities that marriage take place in Me's Antra? With best wishes Hussein , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Vamsee, > > Why are you seeing nakshatra. Check the navamsa. Unless its nakshatra of > Shani then Guru cannot check delay. > > Remove the layer of nakshatra unless you are checking it for it being lorded > by Shani. Rest it does not matter, in who's nakshatara it is. If its in > Venus or Mars or Guru etc anyones nakshatra, but if it is in navamsa of > libra or of shani then it looses its ability to check the delay of Shani. > > Just understand the concept which is that > > - If ju is in rasi of sa > - If ju is in nakshatra of sa > - If ju is in navamsa of sa > - If ju is in navamsa of libra > > Then ju cannot check the delay of Sa. > > Keep it at that and do not add the layer of checking the nakshatra. That is > covered in point 2 above. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > Friday April 23, 2010 10:33 AM > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Dear Ash, > > You already mentioned: > Ju when in Aries at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Bharani ( Venus ) and then in > Libra Navamsa > > Look at the below now: > Ju when in Leo at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Phaluguni ( Venus ) and > then in Libra Navamsa > Ju when in Sag at 20 Deg - 23 Deg 20 is in Purva Ashada ( Venus) and then in > Libra Navamsa. > > I think we can make it a law: > That Jupiter in 3rd Quarter of any star with Venus Lord Ship ( i.e., Bhar, > PPhalguni, PAshada) > cannot check saturn Delay. > > Regards, > Vamsee > > > 10 Deg - 13 Deg 20 in Anuradha ( Saturn ) and in Libra Navamsa > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ash's Corner <kas > wrote: > > Dear Vamsee, > > You are correct, in Cancer if Guru is from 10 to 13deg20 too it cannot check > the delay. Also in Cancer, there is also nakshatra of Shani there as well > so again, there Guru will not be able to check the delay of Shani. > > Therefore, if you just go by unccha rasi and try to judge the power of Guru > i.e. Power of Guru to check the delay of Shani, then one can go wrong as in > the sign of Shani, Guru has the potential to be > > - In Pushya nakshatra of Shani > - From 10 to 13deg20 it cannot check delay of Shani > - From 20 to 26deg40 it cannot check delay of Shani > > In KAS, we are studying all these degrees or in other words, status of Guru > very closely to judge if Guru has the capacity to moderate the delay of > Shani, if it aspects it. That is the theory. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Joe maya > Friday April 23, 2010 9:12 AM > > > Re: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Dear Ash, > > As you said in the email, > Ju cannot check Sa's delay when is in Sa's Nakshatra. > > I just found it interesting that > When Ju is at Cancer 10 Deg to 13 Deg 20 > in Pushyami 3rd Quarter (Owned by Saturn) -> he would be in Libra Navamsa > again. > > Regards, > Vamsee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Dear Bala ji, It is good to study the chart using different systems. Our Jyotish Shastra is so huge. I have just replied to the chart as I got a bit of free time and am replying to you from the Train. There is delay of Saturn and Guru is in libra. Mool karak sthan is disturbed. So happiness in marriage is less. I think everyone has seen that. Now Lagna and 7th lords are in 5:9 so they will get along i.e. the couple. If the chart of marriage matching i.e. Sa Ra and relation to Ve and Ma etc etc is good then more chances of coming close in Sa antra but that will be more for 12th house matters. Now happy marriage in the true sense might happen in Me antra and that is evident from the Power in the WS. This is my opinion. Please keep me posted on the result and it will help me learn. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of yenbeeyes_radha Tuesday April 20, 2010 8:54 AM To: Subject: Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native Dear Nir, The only event that I could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through Campus placement. He shifted his job in the foreign country in September 2009. The reasons for not considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. Yes, This native's chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? Also Nikhleshji has given nice explanations. Dear Nikhleshji, Very good analysis. Since Saturn the delay causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd sector. As regards the relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus both in Rasi and Navamsa? Yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur wrote: > > 17.04.10 > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > 16th > April 2010 > > Dear Members. > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > We are going > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > the marriageable age. > > The following are the birth details. > Chart is of a male member. > > Date of Birth 4th May, > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > Planet > Degrees > Nakshatra > Lord > > > As > 7 Ge 25 > Ardra > Ra > > > Su > 21 Ar 7 > Bharani > Ve > > > Mo > 26 Ta 23 > Mrigashira > Ma > > > MaR > 0 Sc 36 > Visakha > Ju > > > MeR > 3 Ar 39 > Aswini > Ke > > > JuR > 20 Sg 12 > P.Asadha > Ve > > > Ve > 9 Ar 39 > Aswini > Ke > > > SaR > 20 Li 17 > Visakha > Ju > > > Ra > 15 Ta 13 > Rohini > Mo > > > Ke > 15 Sc 13 > Anuradha > Sa > > > > The birth time of the > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > The first thing that strikes > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > Sun have low points. > > > > So when we look into > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > From Rasi Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > will try to dominate the other. > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > Now let us turn to the > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > Next is the Functional > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > The SAV points for the > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > 28. > > > > One more thing to be > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > to get some deficiency. > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > to be a bed of roses. > > > > In this chart 4 planets > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > aspect. > > > > Now let us turn towards > timing of marriage. > > The position of Saturn > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > months. > > > > There is no Jupiter > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > marriage is ripe now. > > > > Now let us turn to the > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > be more eager to give the results. > > > > The current Antara that > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > on 21st July 2011. > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > The next Antara is that > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > Mercury Antara. > > > > Uptil now, members if > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > The real question I want > to ask the members is this. > > > > Is it possible for the > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > Antara? > > > > There is a reason > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > glad to have your views on this. > > > > Regards > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Dear Ash ji Would you please explain how this unhappy marriage can take place in the antra of a powerful planet for 7H in WS? From your previous message I took that you mean just by good relation between 1L/7L and Mo sign Lord /7 from Mo sign and the same for Su you have concluded that marriage will take place in a powerful significator for 7H. Waiting your good guides. Hussein ---- , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Bala ji, > > It is good to study the chart using different systems. Our Jyotish Shastra is so huge. > > I have just replied to the chart as I got a bit of free time and am replying to you from the Train. > > There is delay of Saturn and Guru is in libra. Mool karak sthan is disturbed. So happiness in marriage is less. I think everyone has seen that. Now Lagna and 7th lords are in 5:9 so they will get along i.e. the couple. If the chart of marriage matching i.e. Sa Ra and relation to Ve and Ma etc etc is good then more chances of coming close in Sa antra but that will be more for 12th house matters. Now happy marriage in the true sense might happen in Me antra and that is evident from the Power in the WS. > > This is my opinion. Please keep me posted on the result and it will help me learn. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > On Behalf Of yenbeeyes_radha > Tuesday April 20, 2010 8:54 AM > > Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > Dear Nir, > > The only event that I could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through Campus placement. He shifted his job in the foreign country in September 2009. > > The reasons for not considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > Yes, This native's chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > Also Nikhleshji has given nice explanations. > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > Very good analysis. > > Since Saturn the delay causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd sector. > > As regards the relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > Yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > Regards, > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > 16th > > April 2010 > > > > Dear Members. > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > We are going > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > the marriageable age. > > > > The following are the birth details. > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > Degrees > > Nakshatra > > Lord > > > > > > As > > 7 Ge 25 > > Ardra > > Ra > > > > > > Su > > 21 Ar 7 > > Bharani > > Ve > > > > > > Mo > > 26 Ta 23 > > Mrigashira > > Ma > > > > > > MaR > > 0 Sc 36 > > Visakha > > Ju > > > > > > MeR > > 3 Ar 39 > > Aswini > > Ke > > > > > > JuR > > 20 Sg 12 > > P.Asadha > > Ve > > > > > > Ve > > 9 Ar 39 > > Aswini > > Ke > > > > > > SaR > > 20 Li 17 > > Visakha > > Ju > > > > > > Ra > > 15 Ta 13 > > Rohini > > Mo > > > > > > Ke > > 15 Sc 13 > > Anuradha > > Sa > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > 28. > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > aspect. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > timing of marriage. > > > > The position of Saturn > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > months. > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > Antara? > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Dear Hussein ji, Good question, but for this answer, I shall not be spoon feeding you. You must work and build your experience. After 2 years or so, after you solve many many charts of divorce, cases with no children etc, we can touch base again. In the mean time, both you and me, we need more and more practice by solving live charts. Cheers !!! Ash , " Hussein " <ahahosien wrote: > > Dear Ash ji > > Would you please explain how this unhappy marriage can take place in the antra of a powerful planet for 7H in WS? > From your previous message I took that you mean just by good relation between 1L/7L and Mo sign Lord /7 from Mo sign and the same for Su you have concluded that marriage will take place in a powerful significator for 7H. > Waiting your good guides. > > Hussein > > ---- > > > , " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bala ji, > > > > It is good to study the chart using different systems. Our Jyotish Shastra is so huge. > > > > I have just replied to the chart as I got a bit of free time and am replying to you from the Train. > > > > There is delay of Saturn and Guru is in libra. Mool karak sthan is disturbed. So happiness in marriage is less. I think everyone has seen that. Now Lagna and 7th lords are in 5:9 so they will get along i.e. the couple. If the chart of marriage matching i.e. Sa Ra and relation to Ve and Ma etc etc is good then more chances of coming close in Sa antra but that will be more for 12th house matters. Now happy marriage in the true sense might happen in Me antra and that is evident from the Power in the WS. > > > > This is my opinion. Please keep me posted on the result and it will help me learn. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > On Behalf Of yenbeeyes_radha > > Tuesday April 20, 2010 8:54 AM > > > > Re: Predicting Marriage of a Native > > > > > > Dear Nir, > > > > The only event that I could gather from the native's parent's are that he got a Post graduate degree from IIT in June 2007 and left for a foreign placement in August 2007 through Campus placement. He shifted his job in the foreign country in September 2009. > > > > The reasons for not considering the event in the 3rd sector is that Jupiter is aspecting Saturn in Navamsa and hence I selected the 2nd part. > > > > Yes, This native's chart does not seem to be a happy marriage. Will the position of Lagna Lord and the 7th Lord in a 5:9 position enough to give a happy married life is a big question to be seen? > > > > Also Nikhleshji has given nice explanations. > > > > Dear Nikhleshji, > > > > Very good analysis. > > > > Since Saturn the delay causing planet is aspecting Jupiter in Rasi and there is a mutual (1:7) aspect between them in Navamsa, I decided for the 2nd sector. Additionally as you have stated the affliction of the karakas may postpone it to the 2nd sector. > > > > As regards the relationship turning into love and fructifying into marriage is also a possibility. Is there a possibility that there may not be any such relationship because of the aspect of Jupiter on the strongest significator planet Venus both in Rasi and Navamsa? > > > > Yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > > > > > > , " nikhlesh mathur " <nikhleshmathur@> wrote: > > > > > > 17.04.10 > > > > > > Sub: Male native, 4th May, 1984; 09:05 AM; 79 E 23; 10 N 58; Ayanamsa: 22:45:0, Asc 7Ge25 > > > > > > Main question by Bala ji: Is it possible for the marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn Antara? > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaian ji and Group, > > > > > > In this chart Sa is the delay causing planet and therefore when the AD of a delay causing plant comes after the delay is over, it gives the event in the 1st sector itself. > > > > > > Going by this Sa is capable of giving the event before 17th Sept 2010. > > > > > > Having said this, it is also a fact that Sa aspects houses A,B,C and therefore should give the event in its AD unless it has high points (20 or more), which is not the case here. Sa is very weak with only 8 points. > > > > > > Now again if we view this chart from the 12th house, which is also reflective of marriage in ways more than one, then we find that Sa is LoD plus Sa is also placed in House E (albeit, points are not more than 4). > > > > > > So it again induces us to think that Sa can give marriage and with other factors included ( no zeros in SAV chat plus Sa being capable to give event in 1st sector after the delay is over, owing to it being delay causing planet). > > > > > > Now looking from another angle, marriage in Sa AD (low power planet AD) generally gives unhappiness in married life. > > > > > > This aspect of native’s life is quite obvious from other planetary combinations as well. > > > Here even if we multiply the Sa points with its M.F. (for evaluating quality), we still find it short of minimum required 12. > > > > > > The next obvious AD for marriage i.e. Me is comparatively stronger for 7th house though it has a touch of 6th lord. > > > > > > This native’s Moon is controlled by Rahu and the native’s personality (1st house) also has Rahu’s strong effect (The Asc in in Ardra Nks). So Rahu has good control over this native. Rahu tends to give immediate effects and/or results. > > > > > > The native has strong chances of of letting his acquaintances with females developed into an affair. > > > > > > There are chances of love marriage for him and many times it is observed that love marriages take place instantly if the delay had already happened. > > > > > > I think Sa AD would give the marriage event to this native and there are good chances that it happens in the 1st sector itself. However the affliction of karak planets Mo and Ve by Rahu and Sa can extend the delay a bit which crosses to the 2nd sector. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:01:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From yenbeeyes (Bala Subramanian) > > > 16th > > > April 2010 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > Predicting Marriage for a native: > > > > > > We are going > > > to discuss the quality as well as timing of marriage of a male native who is in > > > the marriageable age. > > > > > > The following are the birth details. > > > Chart is of a male member. > > > > > > Date of Birth 4th May, > > > 1984; Time of Birth: 09:05 AM; Time Zone: IST -5:30 > > > > > > Longitude: 79 E 23; Latitude: 10 N 58; > > > Ayanamsa: 22:45:0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Degrees > > > Nakshatra > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > As > > > 7 Ge 25 > > > Ardra > > > Ra > > > > > > > > > Su > > > 21 Ar 7 > > > Bharani > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Mo > > > 26 Ta 23 > > > Mrigashira > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > MaR > > > 0 Sc 36 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > MeR > > > 3 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > JuR > > > 20 Sg 12 > > > P.Asadha > > > Ve > > > > > > > > > Ve > > > 9 Ar 39 > > > Aswini > > > Ke > > > > > > > > > SaR > > > 20 Li 17 > > > Visakha > > > Ju > > > > > > > > > Ra > > > 15 Ta 13 > > > Rohini > > > Mo > > > > > > > > > Ke > > > 15 Sc 13 > > > Anuradha > > > Sa > > > > > > > > > > > > The birth time of the > > > native is correct as I have on an earlier occasion tested it when the native > > > was about to finish his post graduation and analysed it for job placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first thing that strikes > > > the mind in the chart is the placement of Saturn in the 5th house in > > > Rasi as well as Navamsa Chart and placement of Jupiter in Libra Navamsa. While > > > the first will be contributing towards delay of the marriage, the second thing > > > is going to disturb the family life. However, because there are no zeros in SAV > > > and also because the distance between Sun and Venus is not greater than 43 > > > degrees, we can safely conclude that the question of No marriage is not > > > applicable. This is also confirmed by the Worksheet points for the 5th > > > as well as the 7th house. For the 5th house only Venus > > > and Saturn have low points. For the 7th house Saturn, Jupiter and > > > Sun have low points. > > > > > > > > > > > > So when we look into > > > the quality aspect of the marriage the scenario is like this: > > > > > > From Rasi Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 5:9 position indicating a good result out of marriage. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 6:8 position indicaing disputes. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > lord are again in 6:8 position. > > > > > > > > > > > > From Navamsa Chart: > > > > > > 1. Lagna Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are again in 8:6 position. > > > > > > 2. Moon Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 1:7 position indicating the relationship would be moderate but one > > > will try to dominate the other. > > > > > > 3. Sun Lord and its 7th > > > Lord are in 2:12 position indicating the relationship would be tolerable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > Karaka. The Natural Karaka is Venus. Venus is with Sun and Mercury. The > > > distance between Venus and Sun is more than 11 degrees and hence it is not > > > combust. But Venus is aspected by Saturn (1:7) and also by Jupiter(malefic > > > aspect). Jupiter is the only planet that can control Venus, but here since the > > > aspect is malefic, he has no say in the matter. Hence Venus gets spoiled. > > > Further Venus is in the constellation of Ketu who is equally represented by > > > Mars (the 6th Lord) and Saturn. In the Navamsa also Venus is being > > > aspected by both Saturn and Jupiter (Here since bindus are not taken into > > > account, we can say Venus is controlled by Jupiter). Both Mars and Saturn have > > > only 4 bindus and hence its aspect can be taken as neutral but for the fact > > > that Mars is Lord of 6th house. But here he is placed in the 6th > > > house itself. Mars being a natural malefic placed in a malefic house becomes a > > > benefic if he has more points. Here, since Mars does not have more points (i.e. > > > greater than 4), we can safely conclude that Mars is not going affect much. In > > > addition Saturn is also aspecting one of the luminaries Sun in both Rasi and > > > Navamsa. So the conclusion is that Venus gets afflicted at least moderately both > > > by Saturn and Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is the Functional > > > Karaka Moon. Moon has got very low points (1). Being placed in the 12th, > > > it may increase the value of the 12th house. But he is conjoined > > > with Rahu. Rahu is going to behave more like Venus than Moon (in whose > > > constellation he is placed) due to more AV points for Venus for the 12th > > > house (i.e. More than Moon). Moon is again getting the aspect of 6th > > > Lord Mars though in Navamsa he is not disturbed. So we can conclude that > > > overall the Functional karaka is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > The SAV points for the > > > 5th, 7th and 12th houses are also less than > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing to be > > > seen, House B is ruled by Jupiter. Its opposite house Lord Mercury is having a > > > 6:8 relationship in Navamsa. Hence the result of house B viz. marriage house is > > > to get some deficiency. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the conclusion is that life after marriage is not going > > > to be a bed of roses. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this chart 4 planets > > > are retrograde. Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn. Hence all these are going to > > > enhance the results and all of them are connected with house B by placement or > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn towards > > > timing of marriage. > > > > > > The position of Saturn > > > in the 5th house both in Rasi and Navamsa contribute to full delay. > > > However, the aspect of Jupiter on Saturn in Navamsa can moderate the delay. > > > Saturn is in 20 degree Libra in Natal Chart and hence for the delay to be over > > > Saturn has to travel 10 degree in Virgo. So deducting approximately 10 months > > > from the full delay of 27 years and 6 months we get a period of 26 Years and 8 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Jupiter > > > Delay. There are no zeros in SAV Hence no other delay is possible. The native > > > as on date is of 25 years and 11 months. Even if we do not give any allowance > > > for the moderation of delay caused by Jupiter, his marriage age comes after > > > Jan., 2011. If we are to consider the moderation of delay by Jupiter say the > > > minimum of 2 years, the period is already over. Hence the period for time of > > > marriage is ripe now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us turn to the > > > worksheet points. For the 7th house Venus, Mercury, Moon, Mars are > > > the highest significators having got 20, 19, 12 and 12 respectively. So any one > > > of the 4 planets can give the result. LoD is Mercury and LoE is Venus who will > > > be more eager to give the results. > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Antara that > > > is running is that of Saturn and the total duration is 13-11-2009 to > > > 26-05-2012. Since Saturn is aspected by Jupiter, the event is likely to happen > > > in the 2nd part of Saturn Antara. The 2nd part begins > > > from 17th Sep. 2010 and ends > > > on 21st July 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is neither LoD > > > nor LoE. Saturn is not having enough points for the 7th house. Mars > > > is Samdharmi to Saturn as Saturn is placed in the Navamsa of Mars. Mars having > > > 12 points in the worksheet can give the marriage. But Mars is Lord of 6th. > > > However he is placed in his own house in Rasi chart. Again Mars is placed in > > > the 12th house from B, hence it cannot give good results (a > > > Samdharmi planet placed in the 12th house from B cannot give good > > > results). More importantly since Saturn is aspecting all the significating > > > houses, a favourable result cannot be expected during his sub period. > > > > > > > > > > > > The next Antara is that > > > of Mercury who is LoD and is also having high points in worksheet. Hence no > > > doubt, Mercury Antara will be the final decider. Mercury does not also aspect > > > any of the significating houses. Marriage may take place in the first part of > > > Mercury Antara. > > > > > > > > > > > > Uptil now, members if > > > they want to contribute or dispute some of the points are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > The real question I want > > > to ask the members is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible for the > > > marriage to happen during the 2nd or 3rd part of Saturn > > > Antara? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a reason > > > behind this question. I have to give you some background of myself now. I have > > > collected nearly 200 charts from known persons and I have analysed the timing > > > of marriage in all the charts using KAS principles. (An elaborate writing on my > > > study has already been forwarded to Guruji and Ashji and they were kind enough > > > to edit the same which is going to be published in an astrological magazine. I > > > shall inform the members as soon as the same is published). But they are all > > > events that have happened and it becomes easy to give proper reasons for the > > > event from the rules studied by us. Here the situation is different. Also in > > > all the cases I have studied, I have tested them with other theories of which > > > one powerful system is of Bhrigu Paddhathi. In the present case according to Bhrigu > > > Paddhati the marriage is to happen in the 27th year of the native > > > which is from 4th May 2010 to 4th May 2011. Members should > > > not think that I am against KAS or some such thing. When so many charts I > > > tested were falling within the rules of both KAS and another system of > > > astrology why not this chart? Am I missing something in my analysis? I shall be > > > glad to have your views on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Yenbeeyes (Balasubramanian) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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