Kali yuga and Mand - Parasara Comment / Mis interpreted.

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Dear Sunil ji

and Group,

 

The meaning of Mand buddhi has been taken in the

wrong way. 

 

Mand planets are slow moving planets.  As everyone knows Shani is refered to as Mand. 

 

Natural 11th sign is that of

Aquarius and that is KARAK for 4th house which is Moon.

 

Now, in KAS we check if Lagna,

Sun and Moon fall in the Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa of Shani then that

gives a person brilliance / photographic Memory.

 

This is the power of Mand = Shani.

 

Also Guru is a slow moving

planet and that too causes delay too. 

Now compared to Mercury even Guru is Mand.  Now taking Mand and

applying it to calling it akin to " Slow brains " or in that way, is

totally mis-understanding Parasara

or any other Rishi.

 

On one hand some systems are

calling Guru in Aquarius akin to exaltation, on the other hand labelling Shani as Mand buddhi...

 

For confirmation of the above,

by example.  Kindly check the following

charts.

 

- Einstein (lagna, sun and moon

falling in over 3 sectors of shani)

- Professor Dr. B.V. Raman ji (has lagna, sun moon falling in 5 sectors)

- G.K Goel ji

has 2 sectors of Shani and 3 of Guru.

- Bhaskar

ji has 2 of Shani and 4 Guru

- Chandu

bhai Patel ji had 2 of

Shani and 3 of Mercury

- Shyam

Sunder Kansal ji has 2 of

Shani and 2 of Mercury

- Sunil Nair ji

has 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury.

- Sanjay Rath

ji has 2 of Shani

- Narasimha

ji has 3 shani.

 

These are some charts that i

could think of have made contribution in todays jyotish world and ofcouse Albert

Einstein is Alebert Einstein.

 

I had felt the need to set the

record straight here as it seems that people are incorrectly interpreting Mand buddhi as someone as

" slow " or " dim " or " dumb " .

 

Parasara has given correctly that in Kali Yug,

Ashtakavarga plays a primary importance in delineating a chart and particularly

with " Mand Buddhi "

and that means more brilliant people and it is not for common person i.e. one

who does not have more sectors of Shani.

 

Please read the above verse of Parasara with the above explanation and things will get

clear.

 

Sunil ji,

you had mentioned that KAS is not mentioned by Parasara.  On the contrary it is in every verse and in

all the classics.

 

Take any verse, and study it using

the upchay theory.  Leave aside the name

of " KAS " but study it with the principles given by Guru ji and then understand the verse and it will make this shastra more clear.

 

I do not know what

" ancient " astrology is, all i know is KAS, and i can pick any book up

that is called " ancient " and will demonstrate using the principles of

KAS that it is there in all these books.

 

On the contrary Parasara has given good guidance for people in Kali Yuga,

but if verses are interpreted in such a way then.............

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

--- In

, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Nair ji,

> //Why no one  used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart  which Parasara

> Muni says it is  for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate

results//

> ha ha

ha probably no one wants to be manda

budhi or may be angry with

> parasara

for calling them so!!!...

> //another point is it

is   funny to note  --Lord of Kanya

sign merc gets

> >  debilated in 7th

House ( any clue )//

> i think it is not funny but

serious because kanya means bachelor and its

> lord is naturally not

interested in 7H matters(here it is

> marriage/sex).Is it

not?.You can take my chart  as an

example!!....

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

>

>

>

>   []

>

> --- In

, " Sunil "

> <astro_tellerkerala@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Anita Ji

> >

> > many thanks for

posting further details on this chart

> >

> > But i request u to

post such details along with age of nativ or dasa

> to

> > see it astrologicaly

> >

> > There is 3 versions on

karakatwa for ( 3 schools of thoughts ) Elder

> > siblings

> >

> > One is famous one jup is karaka for elders and 11th House frm

Lagna

> > rules elder siblings

hence Take 11th frm Jup as

karaka lagna and Lord

> > is venus

is Exalted in 9th House frm the sign of elders and

its in 7th

> > House Nivriti bhava frm

nativs chart .

> >

> > {( Jaya(wife ),adhwa(walking ) prayanam(yatra or journeys) cha

> Vyaparam

> > (work and activities )hrutha ( the stolen wealth) and veekshana

> (drishti

> > /how we see or

interact with outside world as loose translation )

> > maranam

(death ) cha swadehasya Jayabhava

nireekhsayeth--parasara hora

> > as result to see frm 7th House }and sure kama vikara -sex and sexual

> > urges too

> >

> > so benefics

in 7th givs a easy life for nativs

generaly and may b the

> > karaka s/Lordships

etc  are contributing ( sure subjuct to whole chart

> > influence )

> > since it is Meena Ubhyodaya sign-rising with

head and tail  (tru

out

> > Life is the influence

we cAN infer )

> >

> > Another one is Take

Mars as karaka and see 11th House as karaka Lagna

> > for elders frm it and 3rd House frm it for

younger brothers (here 11th

> > frm

mars is meena sign and venus

exlated in it and Lord is jupiter

> again

> > exlated

)

> >

> > 3rd is Take sat for

elders and mars for younger siblings ( this is

> Nadi

> > Karaka s) and predict

accordingly But many nadies hardly use Lagna and

> > uses transits mainly

,so i dont think we can use it easily with

> > Vimshottary

scheme.

> >

> > Why no one used Sarva ashta varga

for nativs chart 

which Parasara

> Muni

> > says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results .

> >

> > any one wanted to takeup this tru Ashtavarga  ( sorry

for  KAS ppl

,as

> > the system is not

mentioned parasara scheme we cannot use it here as

> > addon

for  our discussion but ur views r alwys welcome independenly

> ,so

> > devi

singhji can come out frm

hibernation  )

> >

> > rgrds

sunil nair

> >

> > Anita ji pls mention abt his kids

> >

> > karaka jup  ( has aspect of sani )exalted  and

lord exlated tho vakri

> > (again sani ) and house has no apparent affliction but for kanya rasi

> > 5th House is alpaputra rasi and its where jup the karaka gets

> debilated

> > ,and exaltation house

of 8th L mars too

> >

> > so i wud lov to know abt them

> >

> > another point is it

is   funny to note  --Lord of Kanya

sign merc gets

> > debilated

in 7th House ( any clue ) []

> >

> > --- In

, Anita R ash.rsh55@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Goel ji,

> > > Thank you for

your feed back. This is a chart which generated a lot

> of

> > interest and various

theories among the half- baked, " budding "

> > astrologers in my

family who are constantly in exchange of views. Some

> > of the points we came

up with as to why this person has not been even

> > averagely successful

or earned himself a bad name are as follows. Hope

> > to get more feed back

from the forum. Please, my deal all, remember I

> am

> > just a learner. I have

pasted the exchange that took place within my

> > family circle and

listed out the points as follows.He is the youngest

> > among 5 children.

except for his eldest sibling , the middle three

> have

> > passed away, the 4th

one at the age of 40 of pancreatic cancer after

> > suffering for 3 months

in a hospital, 3rd one at the age of 44 of

> brain

> > haemorhage

after 15 days in the hospital , 2nd one at the age of 62 of

> > arterial burst in the

stomach. died soon after reaching the hospital.

> > Like Sunil ji says, the chart on the face of it, looks

> > >  very attractive. But kudos to astrology and

its depths, learning

> this

> > chart with all of you on

the forum has been a very enlightening

> > experience for me.

Thanks to sunil ji, shivaniji,

goel ji, gopiji

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > > 1)

> > > Saturn as his 5th

( for elder born) Â AND 6th lord of diseases

> and

> > debts,

> > > enemies  ( He is

more important as 6th being moola trikona

sign

> > > here) is exalted

and is afflicting his labha lord Moon.

> > >

> > >

> > > 2)

> > > This lord of 6th

, in turn is afflicted by an exalted lord of 12th

> > > who is in 8th

forming a VRY.

> > >

> > > 3)

> > > This VRY is not

powerful since this exalted 12th lord is once again

> > > afflicted by

exalted 6th lord.

> > >

> > > 4)

> > > his 2nd and 9th

lord venus is exalted but the 9th

> > > house itself is

afflicted by the malefic 3rd and 8th lord

> > > Mars in paapakartari yoga between exalted sun on one side and

> > debilitated ketu

> > > on the other

which might account for his “ habits†and

> >  “living

styleâ€Â.

> > >

> > > 5)

> > > His exalted sun

also afflicted by debilitated rahu from dhanu and

> > exalted retro saturn from Libra.

> > >

> > >

> > > 6)

> > > His exalted 4th

and 7th lord Ju , though vargothama and

> > > in 11th house, is

conjunct debilitated 2nd and 8th

> > > lord Mars in

navamsa. In rashi chart, he is afflicted by the

exalted

> > 6th

> > > lord Saturn. In

navamsa too, the exalted 4th and 7th lord

> > > Jupiter is

afflicted by his exalted 6th lord Saturn.

> > >

> > > 7)

> > > Ju, when exalted

makes a person totally self centred and blind to

> > other peoples

> > > opinions,

feelings and needs. It might make them succeed in the area

> > ruled by

> > > such a Jupiter

but the other things remain.

> > >

> > > 8)

> > > Looks like the

retro Saturn in his 2nd house that makes him so rude,

> > > reckless and foul

in speech.

> > >

> > > 9)only

> > > his 2nd and 9th

house venus, remains sort of unafflicted

> > > in both rashi and navamsa chart.

> > >

> > > 10)  if you see his D12, for his parents, his 4th

> > > lord Ju is

afflicted by retro Sa, karaka for hard work and misery

> and

> > leg pain

> > > etc, but 9th lord

venus is in own house and unafflicted.

But the

> > > karaka for mother

moon is debilitated and tho aspected by exalted

> ju,

> > ju

> > > himself is

afflicted by retro Saturn. Karaka for father sun is once

> > again

> > > unafflicted.

> > >

> > > 11)

> > > check his D7 for

progeny, his 5th lord Saturn representing his first

> > > born  and 7th

lord Ju

> > > representing his

second born are in parivarthana yoga. Wonder what

> > this

> > > signifies.

> > >

> > > 12)

> > > check his D10 for

actions in society and profession. His 10th lord

> > > budha is in his 6th house of lagna chart. 11th lord moon

> > > and 12th lord sun

are in debilitation rashis. Ju representing 7th

> > > house is in own

house. Jupiter, in his case represents spouse also

> > being the 7th

> > > lord. Exalted, vargothama and severely afflicted.

> > > 13) His 10th

house has debilitated Ketu with the 10th lord conjunct

> > 8th lord mars.

> > >

> > >

> > > 14)

> > > 11th house among

other things represents elder siblings. In his

> > > case, it is

afflicted in several of his divisional charts.  He

> has

> > lost

> > > 3 of his 4 elder

siblings. May be the exalted Jupiter in 11th

> > signifies that they,

his elder siblings have

> > > done well in

their life. His elder siblings I mean. They have

> > supported him a

> > > lot.Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Sun,

25/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:

> > >

> > > gopal krishna goel

g.k.goel@

> > > RE: Re: Stronger Planet

> increases

> > Benefic Significations

of a house

> > > To:

 

> > > Sunday, 25

April, 2010, 11:55 AM

> > >

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> > >

> > > ANITA ji ,

> > > REALLY THIS IS A

VERY EDUCATIVE NATIVITY  .

> > > Â Angular houses

from Moon

> > > and Lagna pada are occupied by Exalted planets.Story

ends here.

> > > RAHU and Ketu are

in debility and exalted Saturn is 'ATI VAKRA' in

> > D-1.

> > > Lagna and 10H(

occupied by Debilitated Ketu) lord is conjunct with

> 8H

> > lord in D-1

> > > and generated Daridra yoga.

> > > When four planets

were in debility in D-9 , there was nothing left

> for

> > him

> > > but to fall from

Dharma.

> > > WHY NOT YOU GIVE

COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THIS NATIVITY FOR THE BENEFIT

> > > OF GROUP MEMBERS.

> > > REGARDS,

> > > G. K. Goel

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

> > > ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT)

com

> > > Sat, 24 Apr

2010 07:56:29 +0530

> > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet

> increases

> > Benefic Significations

of a house

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> > >

> > >       Dear goel ji,

> > > check out this

horoscope. DOB: 5-5-55, quilon, kerala,

15:30 hrs.

> > Never did any good in

life. Mostly living on other peoples good will.

> I

> > had pasted the details

of this horoscope earlier too and this is a

> > classic example for

study of exaltation and debilitation of planets,

> > including those of trik houses.

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On Fri,

23/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > gopal krishna goel

g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet

> increases

> > Benefic Significations

of a house

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

> > > Friday, 23

April, 2010, 4:40 PM

> > >

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> > >

> > > DEAR friends,

> > > TRIK HOUSE LORDS

, if in exaltation in D-1 or D-9

> > > GENERALLY do not

yield to material prosperity.

> > > Reverse is the

case if these are in debilitation.

> > > If these lords

are in debilitation in D-9 charts , no dobout it

> > > gives material prosperity

but they fall from their Dharma.

> > > Trick Lords ,if

strong in Shadbala is not considered good.

> > > Â Lord of any

house including Trik houses yield to auspicious

> > results

> > > Â if they have

more than 12.5 Vimshopkabala on the scale of 20.

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > G. K. Goel

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

> > > kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in

> > > Wed, 21 Apr

2010 17:38:40 +0000

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet increases

> > Benefic Significations

of a house

> > >

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> > >       ok,

> > >

> > > My take is that

12th lord becoming stronger means it is better for

> the

> > native as benefic

significations of 12th lord increase

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What is your

take?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > // As I have

said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of

> > each

> > >

> > > > component

separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In

> > that

> > >

> > > > case you are

relying on intuition and finding some astrological

> way

> > to

> > >

> > > > back your

intuition //   If a person is

consistently right in his

> > >

> > > > predictions

on basis of Intuitions then this person does not need

> to

> > >

> > > > study Birth

Charts. He just has to look at a persons face and

> > predict.

> > >

> > > > Here in this

Group we talk of Logic and principles applied in

> > astrology

> > >

> > > > and not on

results based upon intuitions.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > //Say 12th

lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or

> not?

> > >

> > > > Will the

good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th

> lord

> > >

> > > > becomes

> > >

> > > > stronger OR

> > >

> > > > Will the bad

significaitons of 12th house increase?//   a) Please

> > >

> > > > provide your

views on above. b) Also please guide what results

> would

> > >

> > > > Saturn

produce if it is placed in 12th for house for Aquarius

> Lagna.

> > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, " kiran.rama "

> > >

> > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > We all

know that you should not look at things in isolation.

> > >

> > > > > As I

have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of

> > each

> > >

> > > > component

separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In

> > that

> > >

> > > > case you are

relying on intuition and finding some astrological

> way

> > to

> > >

> > > > back your

intuition

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Say

12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or

> not?

> > >

> > > > > Will

the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th

> > lord

> > >

> > > > becomes

stronger OR

> > >

> > > > > Will

the bad significaitons of 12th house increase?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I am

not looking for philosophical answers like 'good' or 'bad'

> > >

> > > > depends on

native; it is all 'maya' etc

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > >

> > > > > Kiran

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, " Bhaskar "

> > >

> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > //

(I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom

)//

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > My

wisdom may not be acceptable by everyone... Planets are

> also

> > >

> > > > engulfed

> > >

> > > > > > by

Maya. They do nto work as they would seem to. They

have

> > Owners to

> > >

> > > > > >

instruct them how to drive and whereto...

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > A

Planet may appear as a bad man , placed bad, and a drunkard

> > who

> > >

> > > > will

> > >

> > > > > >

not give benific results, but if you look at the

Owner of that

> > >

> > > > Planet,

> > >

> > > > > >

only then would you realise actually what that planet

will

> > serve...

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > A

planet may be placed badly and owner of bad houses, but if

> its

> > >

> > > > > >

Nakshatra Lord is a benefic for the Horoscope, then after a

> > fall, a

> > >

> > > > rise

> > >

> > > > > > is

sure to come........ .

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

regards,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> " kiran.rama "

> > >

> > > > > >

<kiran.rama@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

>

> > >

> > > > > >

> Does a stronger planet mean that ALL significations of the

> > >

> > > > house(s) it

> > >

> > > > > >

lords become stronger or do ONLY BENEFIC significations of the

> > >

> > > > house(s)

> > >

> > > > > > it

lords become stronger?

> > >

> > > > > >

>

> > >

> > > > > >

> Consider 12HL - if 12HL is in its own house or exalted -

> > meaning

> > >

> > > > it is

> > >

> > > > > >

well placed - then the benefic significations of the 12H

> namely

> > >

> > > > moksha

> > >

> > > > > >

(salvation)/ less losses & expenses - rather gains/controlled

> > >

> > > > passions

> > >

> > > > > >

result.

> > >

> > > > > >

> If the 12HL is debilitated then imprisonment/ punishment,

> > increased

> > >

> > > > > >

passions/affairs, losses & expenses increase.

> > >

> > > > > >

>

> > >

> > > > > >

> So house lord being strong INCREASES BENEFIC significations

> of

> > a

> > >

> > > > > >

house.

> > >

> > > > > >

> Similarly if the house lord is aspected by benefic, it

> > increases

> > >

> > > > > >

benefic aspects of the house.

> > >

> > > > > >

>

> > >

> > > > > >

> Any agreeements/ disagreements on the above rule

& thoughts?

> > >

> > > > > >

> (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of

wisdom )

> > >

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca