Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Dear Dev ji, Mercury is very important planet. It rules natural 3rd and 6th house. Which means it is KARAK for 8th which is 5th from 4th house. 4th is knowledge and 8th house is research or " next generation " of 5th just as lagna and 5th is self and child the next generation. Me also rules 6th house in kalpurush chart and that is KARAK for 11th house i.e. success or self earned income. Now Shani rules natural 10th and 11th so KARAK for 3rd i.e. Parakram and hence the attribute of " Hard work " is attributed to Shani and it rules Aqu which is natural 11th house which is KARAK for 4th i.e. the mind. The more powerful is Shani the more is the grasping power. Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansha all deal with individuality and are one of the most important D charts. There is nothing like D-30 as its not linear. Hence I am calling it Trishansa. You can call it D-30 as long as everyone is clear that its not linear like other D charts. Now, coming to Mercury relation, Shani will give one brilliance and photographic memory and Mercury will give the person the ability to do research and " Tark " . One can work his way back from first principles. Now also note the natural upchay for 1st house are Me and Sa. 3rd = Gemini 6th = Virgo 10th = Shani 11th = Shani. Now Me and Sa rule the upchay sthan in Kalprush chart for 1st house. Also if you will note, that 3rd and 10th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively and 6th and 11th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively. Now with regards to your question on its common to have 1 sector of Sa, yes, but the requirement is that more " Mand " means more sectors of Shani the more the brilliance. 3 or more sectors of Shani makes one more brilliant so like that. Regarding your question of Krushna's Ayanamsa, then the accurate program for that is the KAS program that you have downloaded. Manu Batura ji has tuned the ayanamsa using complex equations so that very accurate values of KAY is available from the program itself. Now in your chart you have 2 sectors of Sa and 4 of Mercury, so this shows your inner nature is that you have a decent memory but u are sharp in the sense one you get the principles and understand them you can work from first principles and you do not need to remember them going forward. So something like that. Getting one Saturn means very average. There is a lesson on the same on Donna's website where Guru ji has given this. You can download the same as well and just read it. ok, i am out of time. Cheers !!! Ash , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Ashji, > > It is interesting. By Trishansa, you mean Trimshamsa (D-30), it is to look nto D-3, D-9 and D-30. > > I could not find KAS Ayanamsa in software but used KAS V3.3. Is it ok? > > Why Mercury is being considered (Karaka) > > I found 2 Saturns and 4 Mercury in my chart. How shall you delineate? > > I would check in some other charts too but I feel getiing one Saturn shall be very common. > > regds > Dev > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > > > The names I have mentioned for checking by no means is an exhaustive list. There are many many brilliant minds in todays Jyotish world striving hard. > > > > I do not want anyone to feel offended as i mentioned these names as I was reading these mails on the list and these names were fresh in my mind and so decided on an impulse to check their charts and who's charts I had easy access to. Therefore please, my post by no means is indicative of leaving sincere jyotish and brilliant people out. Anyone can check their charts and check the lagna, sun and moon falling in which sectors of Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. Yes the caveat is that please using Krushna's Ayanamsa for delicate cases where the lagna might change or navamsa, dreshkon or trishansa might change. > > > > All of them have a scientific mind and I was confident of the dictum of Parasara. > > > > There are many brilliant criminals, who can see a map and remember it and have photographic memory. There are many brilliant singers who can remember verses, or Jyotish Pundits, who can remember charts once they see it or if they had solved similar charts they remember those for a long long time. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Group, > > > > > > The meaning of Mand buddhi has been taken in the wrong way. > > > > > > Mand planets are slow moving planets. As everyone knows Shani is refered to as Mand. > > > > > > Natural 11th sign is that of Aquarius and that is KARAK for 4th house which is Moon. > > > > > > Now, in KAS we check if Lagna, Sun and Moon fall in the Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa of Shani then that gives a person brilliance / photographic Memory. > > > > > > This is the power of Mand = Shani. > > > > > > Also Guru is a slow moving planet and that too causes delay too. Now compared to Mercury even Guru is Mand. Now taking Mand and applying it to calling it akin to " Slow brains " or in that way, is totally mis-understanding Parasara or any other Rishi. > > > > > > On one hand some systems are calling Guru in Aquarius akin to exaltation, on the other hand labelling Shani as Mand buddhi... > > > > > > For confirmation of the above, by example. Kindly check the following charts. > > > > > > - Einstein (lagna, sun and moon falling in over 3 sectors of shani) > > > - Professor Dr. B.V. Raman ji (has lagna, sun moon falling in 5 sectors) > > > - G.K Goel ji has 2 sectors of Shani and 3 of Guru. > > > - Bhaskar ji has 2 of Shani and 4 Guru > > > - Chandu bhai Patel ji had 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury > > > - Shyam Sunder Kansal ji has 2 of Shani and 2 of Mercury > > > - Sunil Nair ji has 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury. > > > - Sanjay Rath ji has 2 of Shani > > > - Narasimha ji has 3 shani. > > > > > > These are some charts that i could think of have made contribution in todays jyotish world and ofcouse Albert Einstein is Alebert Einstein. > > > > > > I had felt the need to set the record straight here as it seems that people are incorrectly interpreting Mand buddhi as someone as " slow " or " dim " or " dumb " . > > > > > > Parasara has given correctly that in Kali Yug, Ashtakavarga plays a primary importance in delineating a chart and particularly with " Mand Buddhi " and that means more brilliant people and it is not for common person i.e. one who does not have more sectors of Shani. > > > > > > Please read the above verse of Parasara with the above explanation and things will get clear. > > > > > > Sunil ji, you had mentioned that KAS is not mentioned by Parasara. On the contrary it is in every verse and in all the classics. > > > > > > Take any verse, and study it using the upchay theory. Leave aside the name of " KAS " but study it with the principles given by Guru ji and then understand the verse and it will make this shastra more clear. > > > > > > I do not know what " ancient " astrology is, all i know is KAS, and i can pick any book up that is called " ancient " and will demonstrate using the principles of KAS that it is there in all these books. > > > > > > On the contrary Parasara has given good guidance for people in Kali Yuga, but if verses are interpreted in such a way then............. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji, > > > > //Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara > > > > Muni says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results// > > > > ha ha ha probably no one wants to be manda budhi or may be angry with > > > > parasara for calling them so!!!... > > > > //another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets > > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue )// > > > > i think it is not funny but serious because kanya means bachelor and its > > > > lord is naturally not interested in 7H matters(here it is > > > > marriage/sex).Is it not?.You can take my chart as an example!!.... > > > > Love and regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] > > > > > > > > , " Sunil " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji > > > > > > > > > > many thanks for posting further details on this chart > > > > > > > > > > But i request u to post such details along with age of nativ or dasa > > > > to > > > > > see it astrologicaly > > > > > > > > > > There is 3 versions on karakatwa for ( 3 schools of thoughts ) Elder > > > > > siblings > > > > > > > > > > One is famous one jup is karaka for elders and 11th House frm Lagna > > > > > rules elder siblings hence Take 11th frm Jup as karaka lagna and Lord > > > > > is venus is Exalted in 9th House frm the sign of elders and its in 7th > > > > > House Nivriti bhava frm nativs chart . > > > > > > > > > > {( Jaya(wife ),adhwa(walking ) prayanam(yatra or journeys) cha > > > > Vyaparam > > > > > (work and activities )hrutha ( the stolen wealth) and veekshana > > > > (drishti > > > > > /how we see or interact with outside world as loose translation ) > > > > > maranam (death ) cha swadehasya Jayabhava nireekhsayeth--parasara hora > > > > > as result to see frm 7th House }and sure kama vikara -sex and sexual > > > > > urges too > > > > > > > > > > so benefics in 7th givs a easy life for nativs generaly and may b the > > > > > karaka s/Lordships etc are contributing ( sure subjuct to whole chart > > > > > influence ) > > > > > since it is Meena Ubhyodaya sign-rising with head and tail (tru out > > > > > Life is the influence we cAN infer ) > > > > > > > > > > Another one is Take Mars as karaka and see 11th House as karaka Lagna > > > > > for elders frm it and 3rd House frm it for younger brothers (here 11th > > > > > frm mars is meena sign and venus exlated in it and Lord is jupiter > > > > again > > > > > exlated ) > > > > > > > > > > 3rd is Take sat for elders and mars for younger siblings ( this is > > > > Nadi > > > > > Karaka s) and predict accordingly But many nadies hardly use Lagna and > > > > > uses transits mainly ,so i dont think we can use it easily with > > > > > Vimshottary scheme. > > > > > > > > > > Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara > > > > Muni > > > > > says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > any one wanted to takeup this tru Ashtavarga ( sorry for KAS ppl ,as > > > > > the system is not mentioned parasara scheme we cannot use it here as > > > > > addon for our discussion but ur views r alwys welcome independenly > > > > ,so > > > > > devi singhji can come out frm hibernation ) > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > Anita ji pls mention abt his kids > > > > > > > > > > karaka jup ( has aspect of sani )exalted and lord exlated tho vakri > > > > > (again sani ) and house has no apparent affliction but for kanya rasi > > > > > 5th House is alpaputra rasi and its where jup the karaka gets > > > > debilated > > > > > ,and exaltation house of 8th L mars too > > > > > > > > > > so i wud lov to know abt them > > > > > > > > > > another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets > > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue ) [] > > > > > > > > > > , Anita R ash.rsh55@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > Thank you for your feed back. This is a chart which generated a lot > > > > of > > > > > interest and various theories among the half- baked, " budding " > > > > > astrologers in my family who are constantly in exchange of views. Some > > > > > of the points we came up with as to why this person has not been even > > > > > averagely successful or earned himself a bad name are as follows. Hope > > > > > to get more feed back from the forum. Please, my deal all, remember I > > > > am > > > > > just a learner. I have pasted the exchange that took place within my > > > > > family circle and listed out the points as follows.He is the youngest > > > > > among 5 children. except for his eldest sibling , the middle three > > > > have > > > > > passed away, the 4th one at the age of 40 of pancreatic cancer after > > > > > suffering for 3 months in a hospital, 3rd one at the age of 44 of > > > > brain > > > > > haemorhage after 15 days in the hospital , 2nd one at the age of 62 of > > > > > arterial burst in the stomach. died soon after reaching the hospital. > > > > > Like Sunil ji says, the chart on the face of it, looks > > > > > > very attractive. But kudos to astrology and its depths, learning > > > > this > > > > > chart with all of you on the forum has been a very enlightening > > > > > experience for me. Thanks to sunil ji, shivaniji, goel ji, gopiji > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > Saturn as his 5th ( for elder born)  AND 6th lord of diseases > > > > and > > > > > debts, > > > > > > enemies  ( He is more important as 6th being moola trikona sign > > > > > > here) is exalted and is afflicting his labha lord Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > This lord of 6th , in turn is afflicted by an exalted lord of 12th > > > > > > who is in 8th forming a VRY. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > This VRY is not powerful since this exalted 12th lord is once again > > > > > > afflicted by exalted 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > his 2nd and 9th lord venus is exalted but the 9th > > > > > > house itself is afflicted by the malefic 3rd and 8th lord > > > > > > Mars in paapakartari yoga between exalted sun on one side and > > > > > debilitated ketu > > > > > > on the other which might account for his “ habits†and > > > > >  “living styleâ€. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > His exalted sun also afflicted by debilitated rahu from dhanu and > > > > > exalted retro saturn from Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) > > > > > > His exalted 4th and 7th lord Ju , though vargothama and > > > > > > in 11th house, is conjunct debilitated 2nd and 8th > > > > > > lord Mars in navamsa. In rashi chart, he is afflicted by the exalted > > > > > 6th > > > > > > lord Saturn. In navamsa too, the exalted 4th and 7th lord > > > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by his exalted 6th lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) > > > > > > Ju, when exalted makes a person totally self centred and blind to > > > > > other peoples > > > > > > opinions, feelings and needs. It might make them succeed in the area > > > > > ruled by > > > > > > such a Jupiter but the other things remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > 8) > > > > > > Looks like the retro Saturn in his 2nd house that makes him so rude, > > > > > > reckless and foul in speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9)only > > > > > > his 2nd and 9th house venus, remains sort of unafflicted > > > > > > in both rashi and navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10) if you see his D12, for his parents, his 4th > > > > > > lord Ju is afflicted by retro Sa, karaka for hard work and misery > > > > and > > > > > leg pain > > > > > > etc, but 9th lord venus is in own house and unafflicted. But the > > > > > > karaka for mother moon is debilitated and tho aspected by exalted > > > > ju, > > > > > ju > > > > > > himself is afflicted by retro Saturn. Karaka for father sun is once > > > > > again > > > > > > unafflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > 11) > > > > > > check his D7 for progeny, his 5th lord Saturn representing his first > > > > > > born  and 7th lord Ju > > > > > > representing his second born are in parivarthana yoga. Wonder what > > > > > this > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12) > > > > > > check his D10 for actions in society and profession. His 10th lord > > > > > > budha is in his 6th house of lagna chart. 11th lord moon > > > > > > and 12th lord sun are in debilitation rashis. Ju representing 7th > > > > > > house is in own house. Jupiter, in his case represents spouse also > > > > > being the 7th > > > > > > lord. Exalted, vargothama and severely afflicted. > > > > > > 13) His 10th house has debilitated Ketu with the 10th lord conjunct > > > > > 8th lord mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14) > > > > > > 11th house among other things represents elder siblings. In his > > > > > > case, it is afflicted in several of his divisional charts. He > > > > has > > > > > lost > > > > > > 3 of his 4 elder siblings. May be the exalted Jupiter in 11th > > > > > signifies that they, his elder siblings have > > > > > > done well in their life. His elder siblings I mean. They have > > > > > supported him a > > > > > > lot.Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 25/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ > > > > > > RE: Re: Stronger Planet > > > > increases > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 April, 2010, 11:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANITA ji , > > > > > > REALLY THIS IS A VERY EDUCATIVE NATIVITY . > > > > > >  Angular houses from Moon > > > > > > and Lagna pada are occupied by Exalted planets.Story ends here. > > > > > > RAHU and Ketu are in debility and exalted Saturn is 'ATI VAKRA' in > > > > > D-1. > > > > > > Lagna and 10H( occupied by Debilitated Ketu) lord is conjunct with > > > > 8H > > > > > lord in D-1 > > > > > > and generated Daridra yoga. > > > > > > When four planets were in debility in D-9 , there was nothing left > > > > for > > > > > him > > > > > > but to fall from Dharma. > > > > > > WHY NOT YOU GIVE COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THIS NATIVITY FOR THE BENEFIT > > > > > > OF GROUP MEMBERS. > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:56:29 +0530 > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > increases > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear goel ji, > > > > > > check out this horoscope. DOB: 5-5-55, quilon, kerala, 15:30 hrs. > > > > > Never did any good in life. Mostly living on other peoples good will. > > > > I > > > > > had pasted the details of this horoscope earlier too and this is a > > > > > classic example for study of exaltation and debilitation of planets, > > > > > including those of trik houses. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 23/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > increases > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Friday, 23 April, 2010, 4:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR friends, > > > > > > TRIK HOUSE LORDS , if in exaltation in D-1 or D-9 > > > > > > GENERALLY do not yield to material prosperity. > > > > > > Reverse is the case if these are in debilitation. > > > > > > If these lords are in debilitation in D-9 charts , no dobout it > > > > > > gives material prosperity but they fall from their Dharma. > > > > > > Trick Lords ,if strong in Shadbala is not considered good. > > > > > >  Lord of any house including Trik houses yield to auspicious > > > > > results > > > > > >  if they have more than 12.5 Vimshopkabala on the scale of 20. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:38:40 +0000 > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet increases > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > My take is that 12th lord becoming stronger means it is better for > > > > the > > > > > native as benefic significations of 12th lord increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your take? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological > > > > way > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > back your intuition // If a person is consistently right in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions on basis of Intuitions then this person does not need > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > study Birth Charts. He just has to look at a persons face and > > > > > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here in this Group we talk of Logic and principles applied in > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not on results based upon intuitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase?// a) Please > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide your views on above. b) Also please guide what results > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn produce if it is placed in 12th for house for Aquarius > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that you should not look at things in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological > > > > way > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > back your intuition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes stronger OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not looking for philosophical answers like 'good' or 'bad' > > > > > > > > > > > > > depends on native; it is all 'maya' etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom )// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My wisdom may not be acceptable by everyone... Planets are > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > engulfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Maya. They do nto work as they would seem to. They have > > > > > Owners to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instruct them how to drive and whereto... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Planet may appear as a bad man , placed bad, and a drunkard > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not give benific results, but if you look at the Owner of that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only then would you realise actually what that planet will > > > > > serve... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A planet may be placed badly and owner of bad houses, but if > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra Lord is a benefic for the Horoscope, then after a > > > > > fall, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is sure to come........ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > " kiran.rama " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a stronger planet mean that ALL significations of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > house(s) it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords become stronger or do ONLY BENEFIC significations of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > house(s) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it lords become stronger? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider 12HL - if 12HL is in its own house or exalted - > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well placed - then the benefic significations of the 12H > > > > namely > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (salvation)/ less losses & expenses - rather gains/controlled > > > > > > > > > > > > > passions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the 12HL is debilitated then imprisonment/ punishment, > > > > > increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passions/affairs, losses & expenses increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So house lord being strong INCREASES BENEFIC significations > > > > of > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if the house lord is aspected by benefic, it > > > > > increases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic aspects of the house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any agreeements/ disagreements on the above rule & thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catch the changing security environment Get it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latest auto launches and test drives Drag n’ drop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Dear Ash ji, Keep posting to make the basics clear which is very necessary for all of us. Just wanted to add for it is not coincidence that Mercury and Saturn rules the upachay houses but also Mercury is first in inner and Saturn is last planet in outer circle of our solar system. Regards Anup --- On Tue, 27/4/10, ashsam73 <kas wrote: ashsam73 <kas Sectors of Shani Date: Tuesday, 27 April, 2010, 5:41 PM Dear Dev ji,Mercury is very important planet. It rules natural 3rd and 6th house. Which means it is KARAK for 8th which is 5th from 4th house. 4th is knowledge and 8th house is research or "next generation" of 5th just as lagna and 5th is self and child the next generation.Me also rules 6th house in kalpurush chart and that is KARAK for 11th house i.e. success or self earned income.Now Shani rules natural 10th and 11th so KARAK for 3rd i.e. Parakram and hence the attribute of "Hard work" is attributed to Shani and it rules Aqu which is natural 11th house which is KARAK for 4th i.e. the mind. The more powerful is Shani the more is the grasping power. Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansha all deal with individuality and are one of the most important D charts.There is nothing like D-30 as its not linear. Hence I am calling it Trishansa. You can call it D-30 as long as everyone is clear that its not linear like other D charts.Now, coming to Mercury relation, Shani will give one brilliance and photographic memory and Mercury will give the person the ability to do research and "Tark". One can work his way back from first principles.Now also note the natural upchay for 1st house are Me and Sa.3rd = Gemini6th = Virgo10th = Shani11th = Shani.Now Me and Sa rule the upchay sthan in Kalprush chart for 1st house.Also if you will note, that3rd and 10th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively and6th and 11th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively.Now with regards to your question on its common to have 1 sector of Sa, yes, but the requirement is that more "Mand" means more sectors of Shani the more the brilliance.3 or more sectors of Shani makes one more brilliant so like that.Regarding your question of Krushna's Ayanamsa, then the accurate program for that is the KAS program that you have downloaded. Manu Batura ji has tuned the ayanamsa using complex equations so that very accurate values of KAY is available from the program itself.Now in your chart you have 2 sectors of Sa and 4 of Mercury, so this shows your inner nature is that you have a decent memory but u are sharp in the sense one you get the principles and understand them you can work from first principles and you do not need to remember them going forward. So something like that. Getting one Saturn means very average. There is a lesson on the same on Donna's website where Guru ji has given this. You can download the same as well and just read it.ok, i am out of time.Cheers !!!Ashancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "axeplex" <axeplex > wrote:>> Dear Ashji,> > It is interesting. By Trishansa, you mean Trimshamsa (D-30), it is to look nto D-3, D-9 and D-30.> > I could not find KAS Ayanamsa in software but used KAS V3.3. Is it ok?> > Why Mercury is being considered (Karaka)> > I found 2 Saturns and 4 Mercury in my chart. How shall you delineate?> > I would check in some other charts too but I feel getiing one Saturn shall be very common.> > regds> Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Group,> > > > The names I have mentioned for checking by no means is an exhaustive list. There are many many brilliant minds in todays Jyotish world striving hard. > > > > I do not want anyone to feel offended as i mentioned these names as I was reading these mails on the list and these names were fresh in my mind and so decided on an impulse to check their charts and who's charts I had easy access to. Therefore please, my post by no means is indicative of leaving sincere jyotish and brilliant people out. Anyone can check their charts and check the lagna, sun and moon falling in which sectors of Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. Yes the caveat is that please using Krushna's Ayanamsa for delicate cases where the lagna might change or navamsa, dreshkon or trishansa might change. > > > > All of them have a scientific mind and I was confident of the dictum of Parasara.> > > > There are many brilliant criminals, who can see a map and remember it and have photographic memory. There are many brilliant singers who can remember verses, or Jyotish Pundits, who can remember charts once they see it or if they had solved similar charts they remember those for a long long time.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "ashsam73" <kas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji and Group,> > > > > > The meaning of Mand buddhi has been taken in the wrong way. > > > > > > Mand planets are slow moving planets. As everyone knows Shani is refered to as Mand. > > > > > > Natural 11th sign is that of Aquarius and that is KARAK for 4th house which is Moon.> > > > > > Now, in KAS we check if Lagna, Sun and Moon fall in the Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa of Shani then that gives a person brilliance / photographic Memory.> > > > > > This is the power of Mand = Shani.> > > > > > Also Guru is a slow moving planet and that too causes delay too. Now compared to Mercury even Guru is Mand. Now taking Mand and applying it to calling it akin to "Slow brains" or in that way, is totally mis-understanding Parasara or any other Rishi.> > > > > > On one hand some systems are calling Guru in Aquarius akin to exaltation, on the other hand labelling Shani as Mand buddhi... > > > > > > For confirmation of the above, by example. Kindly check the following charts.> > > > > > - Einstein (lagna, sun and moon falling in over 3 sectors of shani)> > > - Professor Dr. B.V. Raman ji (has lagna, sun moon falling in 5 sectors)> > > - G.K Goel ji has 2 sectors of Shani and 3 of Guru.> > > - Bhaskar ji has 2 of Shani and 4 Guru> > > - Chandu bhai Patel ji had 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury> > > - Shyam Sunder Kansal ji has 2 of Shani and 2 of Mercury> > > - Sunil Nair ji has 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury.> > > - Sanjay Rath ji has 2 of Shani> > > - Narasimha ji has 3 shani.> > > > > > These are some charts that i could think of have made contribution in todays jyotish world and ofcouse Albert Einstein is Alebert Einstein.> > > > > > I had felt the need to set the record straight here as it seems that people are incorrectly interpreting Mand buddhi as someone as "slow" or "dim" or "dumb".> > > > > > Parasara has given correctly that in Kali Yug, Ashtakavarga plays a primary importance in delineating a chart and particularly with "Mand Buddhi" and that means more brilliant people and it is not for common person i.e. one who does not have more sectors of Shani.> > > > > > Please read the above verse of Parasara with the above explanation and things will get clear.> > > > > > Sunil ji, you had mentioned that KAS is not mentioned by Parasara. On the contrary it is in every verse and in all the classics.> > > > > > Take any verse, and study it using the upchay theory. Leave aside the name of "KAS" but study it with the principles given by Guru ji and then understand the verse and it will make this shastra more clear.> > > > > > I do not know what "ancient" astrology is, all i know is KAS, and i can pick any book up that is called "ancient" and will demonstrate using the principles of KAS that it is there in all these books.> > > > > > On the contrary Parasara has given good guidance for people in Kali Yuga, but if verses are interpreted in such a way then........ ..... > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji,> > > > //Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara> > > > Muni says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results//> > > > ha ha ha probably no one wants to be manda budhi or may be angry with> > > > parasara for calling them so!!!...> > > > //another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets> > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue )//> > > > i think it is not funny but serious because kanya means bachelor and its> > > > lord is naturally not interested in 7H matters(here it is> > > > marriage/sex) .Is it not?.You can take my chart as an example!!... .> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, "Sunil"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Anita Ji> > > > >> > > > > many thanks for posting further details on this chart> > > > >> > > > > But i request u to post such details along with age of nativ or dasa> > > > to> > > > > see it astrologicaly> > > > >> > > > > There is 3 versions on karakatwa for ( 3 schools of thoughts ) Elder> > > > > siblings> > > > >> > > > > One is famous one jup is karaka for elders and 11th House frm Lagna> > > > > rules elder siblings hence Take 11th frm Jup as karaka lagna and Lord> > > > > is venus is Exalted in 9th House frm the sign of elders and its in 7th> > > > > House Nivriti bhava frm nativs chart .> > > > >> > > > > {( Jaya(wife ),adhwa(walking ) prayanam(yatra or journeys) cha> > > > Vyaparam> > > > > (work and activities )hrutha ( the stolen wealth) and veekshana> > > > (drishti> > > > > /how we see or interact with outside world as loose translation )> > > > > maranam (death ) cha swadehasya Jayabhava nireekhsayeth- -parasara hora> > > > > as result to see frm 7th House }and sure kama vikara -sex and sexual> > > > > urges too> > > > >> > > > > so benefics in 7th givs a easy life for nativs generaly and may b the> > > > > karaka s/Lordships etc are contributing ( sure subjuct to whole chart> > > > > influence )> > > > > since it is Meena Ubhyodaya sign-rising with head and tail (tru out> > > > > Life is the influence we cAN infer )> > > > >> > > > > Another one is Take Mars as karaka and see 11th House as karaka Lagna> > > > > for elders frm it and 3rd House frm it for younger brothers (here 11th> > > > > frm mars is meena sign and venus exlated in it and Lord is jupiter> > > > again> > > > > exlated )> > > > >> > > > > 3rd is Take sat for elders and mars for younger siblings ( this is> > > > Nadi> > > > > Karaka s) and predict accordingly But many nadies hardly use Lagna and> > > > > uses transits mainly ,so i dont think we can use it easily with> > > > > Vimshottary scheme.> > > > >> > > > > Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara> > > > Muni> > > > > says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results .> > > > >> > > > > any one wanted to takeup this tru Ashtavarga ( sorry for KAS ppl ,as> > > > > the system is not mentioned parasara scheme we cannot use it here as> > > > > addon for our discussion but ur views r alwys welcome independenly> > > > ,so> > > > > devi singhji can come out frm hibernation )> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > > Anita ji pls mention abt his kids> > > > >> > > > > karaka jup ( has aspect of sani )exalted and lord exlated tho vakri> > > > > (again sani ) and house has no apparent affliction but for kanya rasi> > > > > 5th House is alpaputra rasi and its where jup the karaka gets> > > > debilated> > > > > ,and exaltation house of 8th L mars too> > > > >> > > > > so i wud lov to know abt them> > > > >> > > > > another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets> > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue ) []> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > Thank you for your feed back. This is a chart which generated a lot> > > > of> > > > > interest and various theories among the half- baked, "budding"> > > > > astrologers in my family who are constantly in exchange of views. Some> > > > > of the points we came up with as to why this person has not been even> > > > > averagely successful or earned himself a bad name are as follows. Hope> > > > > to get more feed back from the forum. Please, my deal all, remember I> > > > am> > > > > just a learner. I have pasted the exchange that took place within my> > > > > family circle and listed out the points as follows.He is the youngest> > > > > among 5 children. except for his eldest sibling , the middle three> > > > have> > > > > passed away, the 4th one at the age of 40 of pancreatic cancer after> > > > > suffering for 3 months in a hospital, 3rd one at the age of 44 of> > > > brain> > > > > haemorhage after 15 days in the hospital , 2nd one at the age of 62 of> > > > > arterial burst in the stomach. died soon after reaching the hospital.> > > > > Like Sunil ji says, the chart on the face of it, looks> > > > > > very attractive. But kudos to astrology and its depths, learning> > > > this> > > > > chart with all of you on the forum has been a very enlightening> > > > > experience for me. Thanks to sunil ji, shivaniji, goel ji, gopiji> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Anita> > > > > > 1)> > > > > > Saturn as his 5th ( for elder born)  AND 6th lord of diseases> > > > and> > > > > debts,> > > > > > enemies  ( He is more important as 6th being moola trikona sign> > > > > > here) is exalted and is afflicting his labha lord Moon.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 2)> > > > > > This lord of 6th , in turn is afflicted by an exalted lord of 12th> > > > > > who is in 8th forming a VRY.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3)> > > > > > This VRY is not powerful since this exalted 12th lord is once again> > > > > > afflicted by exalted 6th lord.> > > > > >> > > > > > 4)> > > > > > his 2nd and 9th lord venus is exalted but the 9th> > > > > > house itself is afflicted by the malefic 3rd and 8th lord> > > > > > Mars in paapakartari yoga between exalted sun on one side and> > > > > debilitated ketu> > > > > > on the other which might account for his “ habitsâ€� and> > > > >  “living styleâ€�.> > > > > >> > > > > > 5)> > > > > > His exalted sun also afflicted by debilitated rahu from dhanu and> > > > > exalted retro saturn from Libra.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 6)> > > > > > His exalted 4th and 7th lord Ju , though vargothama and> > > > > > in 11th house, is conjunct debilitated 2nd and 8th> > > > > > lord Mars in navamsa. In rashi chart, he is afflicted by the exalted> > > > > 6th> > > > > > lord Saturn. In navamsa too, the exalted 4th and 7th lord> > > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by his exalted 6th lord Saturn.> > > > > >> > > > > > 7)> > > > > > Ju, when exalted makes a person totally self centred and blind to> > > > > other peoples> > > > > > opinions, feelings and needs. It might make them succeed in the area> > > > > ruled by> > > > > > such a Jupiter but the other things remain.> > > > > >> > > > > > 8)> > > > > > Looks like the retro Saturn in his 2nd house that makes him so rude,> > > > > > reckless and foul in speech.> > > > > >> > > > > > 9)only> > > > > > his 2nd and 9th house venus, remains sort of unafflicted> > > > > > in both rashi and navamsa chart.> > > > > >> > > > > > 10) if you see his D12, for his parents, his 4th> > > > > > lord Ju is afflicted by retro Sa, karaka for hard work and misery> > > > and> > > > > leg pain> > > > > > etc, but 9th lord venus is in own house and unafflicted. But the> > > > > > karaka for mother moon is debilitated and tho aspected by exalted> > > > ju,> > > > > ju> > > > > > himself is afflicted by retro Saturn. Karaka for father sun is once> > > > > again> > > > > > unafflicted.> > > > > >> > > > > > 11)> > > > > > check his D7 for progeny, his 5th lord Saturn representing his first> > > > > > born  and 7th lord Ju> > > > > > representing his second born are in parivarthana yoga. Wonder what> > > > > this> > > > > > signifies.> > > > > >> > > > > > 12)> > > > > > check his D10 for actions in society and profession. His 10th lord> > > > > > budha is in his 6th house of lagna chart. 11th lord moon> > > > > > and 12th lord sun are in debilitation rashis. Ju representing 7th> > > > > > house is in own house. Jupiter, in his case represents spouse also> > > > > being the 7th> > > > > > lord. Exalted, vargothama and severely afflicted.> > > > > > 13) His 10th house has debilitated Ketu with the 10th lord conjunct> > > > > 8th lord mars.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 14)> > > > > > 11th house among other things represents elder siblings. In his> > > > > > case, it is afflicted in several of his divisional charts. He> > > > has> > > > > lost> > > > > > 3 of his 4 elder siblings. May be the exalted Jupiter in 11th> > > > > signifies that they, his elder siblings have> > > > > > done well in their life. His elder siblings I mean. They have> > > > > supported him a> > > > > > lot.Anita> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 25/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@> > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet> > > > increases> > > > > Benefic Significations of a house> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Sunday, 25 April, 2010, 11:55 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ANITA ji ,> > > > > > REALLY THIS IS A VERY EDUCATIVE NATIVITY .> > > > > >  Angular houses from Moon> > > > > > and Lagna pada are occupied by Exalted planets.Story ends here.> > > > > > RAHU and Ketu are in debility and exalted Saturn is 'ATI VAKRA' in> > > > > D-1.> > > > > > Lagna and 10H( occupied by Debilitated Ketu) lord is conjunct with> > > > 8H> > > > > lord in D-1> > > > > > and generated Daridra yoga.> > > > > > When four planets were in debility in D-9 , there was nothing left> > > > for> > > > > him> > > > > > but to fall from Dharma.> > > > > > WHY NOT YOU GIVE COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THIS NATIVITY FOR THE BENEFIT> > > > > > OF GROUP MEMBERS.> > > > > > REGARDS,> > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:56:29 +0530> > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet> > > > increases> > > > > Benefic Significations of a house> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear goel ji,> > > > > > check out this horoscope. DOB: 5-5-55, quilon, kerala, 15:30 hrs.> > > > > Never did any good in life. Mostly living on other peoples good will.> > > > I> > > > > had pasted the details of this horoscope earlier too and this is a> > > > > classic example for study of exaltation and debilitation of planets,> > > > > including those of trik houses.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Anita> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Fri, 23/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet> > > > increases> > > > > Benefic Significations of a house> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Friday, 23 April, 2010, 4:40 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > DEAR friends,> > > > > > TRIK HOUSE LORDS , if in exaltation in D-1 or D-9> > > > > > GENERALLY do not yield to material prosperity.> > > > > > Reverse is the case if these are in debilitation.> > > > > > If these lords are in debilitation in D-9 charts , no dobout it> > > > > > gives material prosperity but they fall from their Dharma.> > > > > > Trick Lords ,if strong in Shadbala is not considered good.> > > > > >  Lord of any house including Trik houses yield to auspicious> > > > > results> > > > > >  if they have more than 12.5 Vimshopkabala on the scale of 20.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > To: ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:38:40 +0000> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet increases> > > > > Benefic Significations of a house> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ok,> > > > > >> > > > > > My take is that 12th lord becoming stronger means it is better for> > > > the> > > > > native as benefic significations of 12th lord increase> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > What is your take?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > // As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of> > > > > each> > > > > >> > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In> > > > > that> > > > > >> > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological> > > > way> > > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > > > back your intuition // If a person is consistently right in his> > > > > >> > > > > > > predictions on basis of Intuitions then this person does not need> > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > > > study Birth Charts. He just has to look at a persons face and> > > > > predict.> > > > > >> > > > > > > Here in this Group we talk of Logic and principles applied in> > > > > astrology> > > > > >> > > > > > > and not on results based upon intuitions.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > //Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or> > > > not?> > > > > >> > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th> > > > lord> > > > > >> > > > > > > becomes> > > > > >> > > > > > > stronger OR> > > > > >> > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase?// a) Please> > > > > >> > > > > > > provide your views on above. b) Also please guide what results> > > > would> > > > > >> > > > > > > Saturn produce if it is placed in 12th for house for Aquarius> > > > Lagna.> > > > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kiran.rama"> > > > > >> > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > We all know that you should not look at things in isolation.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of> > > > > each> > > > > >> > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In> > > > > that> > > > > >> > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological> > > > way> > > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > > > back your intuition> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or> > > > not?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th> > > > > lord> > > > > >> > > > > > > becomes stronger OR> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase?> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am not looking for philosophical answers like 'good' or 'bad'> > > > > >> > > > > > > depends on native; it is all 'maya' etc> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > >> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > // (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom )//> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My wisdom may not be acceptable by everyone... Planets are> > > > also> > > > > >> > > > > > > engulfed> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > by Maya. They do nto work as they would seem to. They have> > > > > Owners to> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > instruct them how to drive and whereto...> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A Planet may appear as a bad man , placed bad, and a drunkard> > > > > who> > > > > >> > > > > > > will> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > not give benific results, but if you look at the Owner of that> > > > > >> > > > > > > Planet,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > only then would you realise actually what that planet will> > > > > serve...> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A planet may be placed badly and owner of bad houses, but if> > > > its> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra Lord is a benefic for the Horoscope, then after a> > > > > fall, a> > > > > >> > > > > > > rise> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is sure to come........ .> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "kiran.rama"> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Does a stronger planet mean that ALL significations of the> > > > > >> > > > > > > house(s) it> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lords become stronger or do ONLY BENEFIC significations of the> > > > > >> > > > > > > house(s)> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > it lords become stronger?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Consider 12HL - if 12HL is in its own house or exalted -> > > > > meaning> > > > > >> > > > > > > it is> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > well placed - then the benefic significations of the 12H> > > > namely> > > > > >> > > > > > > moksha> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (salvation)/ less losses & expenses - rather gains/controlled> > > > > >> > > > > > > passions> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > result.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If the 12HL is debilitated then imprisonment/ punishment,> > > > > increased> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > passions/affairs, losses & expenses increase.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So house lord being strong INCREASES BENEFIC significations> > > > of> > > > > a> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > house.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Similarly if the house lord is aspected by benefic, it> > > > > increases> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > benefic aspects of the house.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any agreeements/ disagreements on the above rule & thoughts?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom )> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Catch the changing security environment Get it now.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The latest auto launches and test drives Drag n’ drop> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Dear Anup ji, I wrote many posts today. If I get time in the evening I shall post all those posts here for our list members. Cheers !!! Ash , " Anup.M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, >  >  > Keep posting to make the basics clear which is very necessary for all of us. >  > Just wanted to add for it is not coincidence that Mercury and Saturn rules > the upachay houses but also Mercury is first in inner and Saturn is last planet in > outer circle of our solar system.  >  >  > Regards > Anup >  > > --- On Tue, 27/4/10, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > > ashsam73 <kas > Sectors of Shani > > Tuesday, 27 April, 2010, 5:41 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > Mercury is very important planet. It rules natural 3rd and 6th house. Which means it is KARAK for 8th which is 5th from 4th house. 4th is knowledge and 8th house is research or " next generation " of 5th just as lagna and 5th is self and child the next generation. > > Me also rules 6th house in kalpurush chart and that is KARAK for 11th house i.e. success or self earned income. > > Now Shani rules natural 10th and 11th so KARAK for 3rd i.e. Parakram and hence the attribute of " Hard work " is attributed to Shani and it rules Aqu which is natural 11th house which is KARAK for 4th i.e. the mind. The more powerful is Shani the more is the grasping power. Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansha all deal with individuality and are one of the most important D charts. > > There is nothing like D-30 as its not linear. Hence I am calling it Trishansa. You can call it D-30 as long as everyone is clear that its not linear like other D charts. > > Now, coming to Mercury relation, Shani will give one brilliance and photographic memory and Mercury will give the person the ability to do research and " Tark " . One can work his way back from first principles. > > Now also note the natural upchay for 1st house are Me and Sa. > > 3rd = Gemini > 6th = Virgo > 10th = Shani > 11th = Shani. > > Now Me and Sa rule the upchay sthan in Kalprush chart for 1st house. > > Also if you will note, that > > 3rd and 10th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively and > 6th and 11th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively. > > Now with regards to your question on its common to have 1 sector of Sa, yes, but the requirement is that more " Mand " means more sectors of Shani the more the brilliance. > > 3 or more sectors of Shani makes one more brilliant so like that. > > Regarding your question of Krushna's Ayanamsa, then the accurate program for that is the KAS program that you have downloaded. Manu Batura ji has tuned the ayanamsa using complex equations so that very accurate values of KAY is available from the program itself. > > Now in your chart you have 2 sectors of Sa and 4 of Mercury, so this shows your inner nature is that you have a decent memory but u are sharp in the sense one you get the principles and understand them you can work from first principles and you do not need to remember them going forward. So something like that. > > Getting one Saturn means very average. There is a lesson on the same on Donna's website where Guru ji has given this. You can download the same as well and just read it. > > ok, i am out of time. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > It is interesting. By Trishansa, you mean Trimshamsa (D-30), it is to look nto D-3, D-9 and D-30. > > > > I could not find KAS Ayanamsa in software but used KAS V3.3. Is it ok? > > > > Why Mercury is being considered (Karaka) > > > > I found 2 Saturns and 4 Mercury in my chart. How shall you delineate? > > > > I would check in some other charts too but I feel getiing one Saturn shall be very common. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > The names I have mentioned for checking by no means is an exhaustive list. There are many many brilliant minds in todays Jyotish world striving hard. > > > > > > I do not want anyone to feel offended as i mentioned these names as I was reading these mails on the list and these names were fresh in my mind and so decided on an impulse to check their charts and who's charts I had easy access to. Therefore please, my post by no means is indicative of leaving sincere jyotish and brilliant people out. Anyone can check their charts and check the lagna, sun and moon falling in which sectors of Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. Yes the caveat is that please using Krushna's Ayanamsa for delicate cases where the lagna might change or navamsa, dreshkon or trishansa might change. > > > > > > All of them have a scientific mind and I was confident of the dictum of Parasara. > > > > > > There are many brilliant criminals, who can see a map and remember it and have photographic memory. There are many brilliant singers who can remember verses, or Jyotish Pundits, who can remember charts once they see it or if they had solved similar charts they remember those for a long long time. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Group, > > > > > > > > The meaning of Mand buddhi has been taken in the wrong way. > > > > > > > > Mand planets are slow moving planets. As everyone knows Shani is refered to as Mand. > > > > > > > > Natural 11th sign is that of Aquarius and that is KARAK for 4th house which is Moon. > > > > > > > > Now, in KAS we check if Lagna, Sun and Moon fall in the Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa of Shani then that gives a person brilliance / photographic Memory. > > > > > > > > This is the power of Mand = Shani. > > > > > > > > Also Guru is a slow moving planet and that too causes delay too. Now compared to Mercury even Guru is Mand. Now taking Mand and applying it to calling it akin to " Slow brains " or in that way, is totally mis-understanding Parasara or any other Rishi. > > > > > > > > On one hand some systems are calling Guru in Aquarius akin to exaltation, on the other hand labelling Shani as Mand buddhi... > > > > > > > > For confirmation of the above, by example. Kindly check the following charts. > > > > > > > > - Einstein (lagna, sun and moon falling in over 3 sectors of shani) > > > > - Professor Dr. B.V. Raman ji (has lagna, sun moon falling in 5 sectors) > > > > - G.K Goel ji has 2 sectors of Shani and 3 of Guru. > > > > - Bhaskar ji has 2 of Shani and 4 Guru > > > > - Chandu bhai Patel ji had 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury > > > > - Shyam Sunder Kansal ji has 2 of Shani and 2 of Mercury > > > > - Sunil Nair ji has 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury. > > > > - Sanjay Rath ji has 2 of Shani > > > > - Narasimha ji has 3 shani. > > > > > > > > These are some charts that i could think of have made contribution in todays jyotish world and ofcouse Albert Einstein is Alebert Einstein. > > > > > > > > I had felt the need to set the record straight here as it seems that people are incorrectly interpreting Mand buddhi as someone as " slow " or " dim " or " dumb " . > > > > > > > > Parasara has given correctly that in Kali Yug, Ashtakavarga plays a primary importance in delineating a chart and particularly with " Mand Buddhi " and that means more brilliant people and it is not for common person i.e. one who does not have more sectors of Shani. > > > > > > > > Please read the above verse of Parasara with the above explanation and things will get clear. > > > > > > > > Sunil ji, you had mentioned that KAS is not mentioned by Parasara. On the contrary it is in every verse and in all the classics. > > > > > > > > Take any verse, and study it using the upchay theory. Leave aside the name of " KAS " but study it with the principles given by Guru ji and then understand the verse and it will make this shastra more clear. > > > > > > > > I do not know what " ancient " astrology is, all i know is KAS, and i can pick any book up that is called " ancient " and will demonstrate using the principles of KAS that it is there in all these books. > > > > > > > > On the contrary Parasara has given good guidance for people in Kali Yuga, but if verses are interpreted in such a way then........ ..... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji, > > > > > //Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara > > > > > Muni says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results// > > > > > ha ha ha probably no one wants to be manda budhi or may be angry with > > > > > parasara for calling them so!!!... > > > > > //another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets > > > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue )// > > > > > i think it is not funny but serious because kanya means bachelor and its > > > > > lord is naturally not interested in 7H matters(here it is > > > > > marriage/sex) .Is it not?.You can take my chart as an example!!... . > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sunil " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > many thanks for posting further details on this chart > > > > > > > > > > > > But i request u to post such details along with age of nativ or dasa > > > > > to > > > > > > see it astrologicaly > > > > > > > > > > > > There is 3 versions on karakatwa for ( 3 schools of thoughts ) Elder > > > > > > siblings > > > > > > > > > > > > One is famous one jup is karaka for elders and 11th House frm Lagna > > > > > > rules elder siblings hence Take 11th frm Jup as karaka lagna and Lord > > > > > > is venus is Exalted in 9th House frm the sign of elders and its in 7th > > > > > > House Nivriti bhava frm nativs chart . > > > > > > > > > > > > {( Jaya(wife ),adhwa(walking ) prayanam(yatra or journeys) cha > > > > > Vyaparam > > > > > > (work and activities )hrutha ( the stolen wealth) and veekshana > > > > > (drishti > > > > > > /how we see or interact with outside world as loose translation ) > > > > > > maranam (death ) cha swadehasya Jayabhava nireekhsayeth- -parasara hora > > > > > > as result to see frm 7th House }and sure kama vikara -sex and sexual > > > > > > urges too > > > > > > > > > > > > so benefics in 7th givs a easy life for nativs generaly and may b the > > > > > > karaka s/Lordships etc are contributing ( sure subjuct to whole chart > > > > > > influence ) > > > > > > since it is Meena Ubhyodaya sign-rising with head and tail (tru out > > > > > > Life is the influence we cAN infer ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Another one is Take Mars as karaka and see 11th House as karaka Lagna > > > > > > for elders frm it and 3rd House frm it for younger brothers (here 11th > > > > > > frm mars is meena sign and venus exlated in it and Lord is jupiter > > > > > again > > > > > > exlated ) > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd is Take sat for elders and mars for younger siblings ( this is > > > > > Nadi > > > > > > Karaka s) and predict accordingly But many nadies hardly use Lagna and > > > > > > uses transits mainly ,so i dont think we can use it easily with > > > > > > Vimshottary scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara > > > > > Muni > > > > > > says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > > > any one wanted to takeup this tru Ashtavarga ( sorry for KAS ppl ,as > > > > > > the system is not mentioned parasara scheme we cannot use it here as > > > > > > addon for our discussion but ur views r alwys welcome independenly > > > > > ,so > > > > > > devi singhji can come out frm hibernation ) > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita ji pls mention abt his kids > > > > > > > > > > > > karaka jup ( has aspect of sani )exalted and lord exlated tho vakri > > > > > > (again sani ) and house has no apparent affliction but for kanya rasi > > > > > > 5th House is alpaputra rasi and its where jup the karaka gets > > > > > debilated > > > > > > ,and exaltation house of 8th L mars too > > > > > > > > > > > > so i wud lov to know abt them > > > > > > > > > > > > another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets > > > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue ) [] > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > Thank you for your feed back. This is a chart which generated a lot > > > > > of > > > > > > interest and various theories among the half- baked, " budding " > > > > > > astrologers in my family who are constantly in exchange of views. Some > > > > > > of the points we came up with as to why this person has not been even > > > > > > averagely successful or earned himself a bad name are as follows. Hope > > > > > > to get more feed back from the forum. Please, my deal all, remember I > > > > > am > > > > > > just a learner. I have pasted the exchange that took place within my > > > > > > family circle and listed out the points as follows.He is the youngest > > > > > > among 5 children. except for his eldest sibling , the middle three > > > > > have > > > > > > passed away, the 4th one at the age of 40 of pancreatic cancer after > > > > > > suffering for 3 months in a hospital, 3rd one at the age of 44 of > > > > > brain > > > > > > haemorhage after 15 days in the hospital , 2nd one at the age of 62 of > > > > > > arterial burst in the stomach. died soon after reaching the hospital. > > > > > > Like Sunil ji says, the chart on the face of it, looks > > > > > > > very attractive. But kudos to astrology and its depths, learning > > > > > this > > > > > > chart with all of you on the forum has been a very enlightening > > > > > > experience for me. Thanks to sunil ji, shivaniji, goel ji, gopiji > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > Saturn as his 5th ( for elder born)  AND 6th lord of diseases > > > > > and > > > > > > debts, > > > > > > > enemies  ( He is more important as 6th being moola trikona sign > > > > > > > here) is exalted and is afflicting his labha lord Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > This lord of 6th , in turn is afflicted by an exalted lord of 12th > > > > > > > who is in 8th forming a VRY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > > This VRY is not powerful since this exalted 12th lord is once again > > > > > > > afflicted by exalted 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > his 2nd and 9th lord venus is exalted but the 9th > > > > > > > house itself is afflicted by the malefic 3rd and 8th lord > > > > > > > Mars in paapakartari yoga between exalted sun on one side and > > > > > > debilitated ketu > > > > > > > on the other which might account for his  " habitsâ€� and > > > > > >   " living styleâ€�. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > His exalted sun also afflicted by debilitated rahu from dhanu and > > > > > > exalted retro saturn from Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) > > > > > > > His exalted 4th and 7th lord Ju , though vargothama and > > > > > > > in 11th house, is conjunct debilitated 2nd and 8th > > > > > > > lord Mars in navamsa. In rashi chart, he is afflicted by the exalted > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > lord Saturn. In navamsa too, the exalted 4th and 7th lord > > > > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by his exalted 6th lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) > > > > > > > Ju, when exalted makes a person totally self centred and blind to > > > > > > other peoples > > > > > > > opinions, feelings and needs. It might make them succeed in the area > > > > > > ruled by > > > > > > > such a Jupiter but the other things remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8) > > > > > > > Looks like the retro Saturn in his 2nd house that makes him so rude, > > > > > > > reckless and foul in speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9)only > > > > > > > his 2nd and 9th house venus, remains sort of unafflicted > > > > > > > in both rashi and navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10) if you see his D12, for his parents, his 4th > > > > > > > lord Ju is afflicted by retro Sa, karaka for hard work and misery > > > > > and > > > > > > leg pain > > > > > > > etc, but 9th lord venus is in own house and unafflicted. But the > > > > > > > karaka for mother moon is debilitated and tho aspected by exalted > > > > > ju, > > > > > > ju > > > > > > > himself is afflicted by retro Saturn. Karaka for father sun is once > > > > > > again > > > > > > > unafflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11) > > > > > > > check his D7 for progeny, his 5th lord Saturn representing his first > > > > > > > born  and 7th lord Ju > > > > > > > representing his second born are in parivarthana yoga. Wonder what > > > > > > this > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12) > > > > > > > check his D10 for actions in society and profession. His 10th lord > > > > > > > budha is in his 6th house of lagna chart. 11th lord moon > > > > > > > and 12th lord sun are in debilitation rashis. Ju representing 7th > > > > > > > house is in own house. Jupiter, in his case represents spouse also > > > > > > being the 7th > > > > > > > lord. Exalted, vargothama and severely afflicted. > > > > > > > 13) His 10th house has debilitated Ketu with the 10th lord conjunct > > > > > > 8th lord mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14) > > > > > > > 11th house among other things represents elder siblings. In his > > > > > > > case, it is afflicted in several of his divisional charts. He > > > > > has > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > 3 of his 4 elder siblings. May be the exalted Jupiter in 11th > > > > > > signifies that they, his elder siblings have > > > > > > > done well in their life. His elder siblings I mean. They have > > > > > > supported him a > > > > > > > lot.Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 25/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ > > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > > increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 April, 2010, 11:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANITA ji , > > > > > > > REALLY THIS IS A VERY EDUCATIVE NATIVITY . > > > > > > >  Angular houses from Moon > > > > > > > and Lagna pada are occupied by Exalted planets.Story ends here. > > > > > > > RAHU and Ketu are in debility and exalted Saturn is 'ATI VAKRA' in > > > > > > D-1. > > > > > > > Lagna and 10H( occupied by Debilitated Ketu) lord is conjunct with > > > > > 8H > > > > > > lord in D-1 > > > > > > > and generated Daridra yoga. > > > > > > > When four planets were in debility in D-9 , there was nothing left > > > > > for > > > > > > him > > > > > > > but to fall from Dharma. > > > > > > > WHY NOT YOU GIVE COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THIS NATIVITY FOR THE BENEFIT > > > > > > > OF GROUP MEMBERS. > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:56:29 +0530 > > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > > increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear goel ji, > > > > > > > check out this horoscope. DOB: 5-5-55, quilon, kerala, 15:30 hrs. > > > > > > Never did any good in life. Mostly living on other peoples good will. > > > > > I > > > > > > had pasted the details of this horoscope earlier too and this is a > > > > > > classic example for study of exaltation and debilitation of planets, > > > > > > including those of trik houses. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 23/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > > increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Friday, 23 April, 2010, 4:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR friends, > > > > > > > TRIK HOUSE LORDS , if in exaltation in D-1 or D-9 > > > > > > > GENERALLY do not yield to material prosperity. > > > > > > > Reverse is the case if these are in debilitation. > > > > > > > If these lords are in debilitation in D-9 charts , no dobout it > > > > > > > gives material prosperity but they fall from their Dharma. > > > > > > > Trick Lords ,if strong in Shadbala is not considered good. > > > > > > >  Lord of any house including Trik houses yield to auspicious > > > > > > results > > > > > > >  if they have more than 12.5 Vimshopkabala on the scale of 20. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:38:40 +0000 > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take is that 12th lord becoming stronger means it is better for > > > > > the > > > > > > native as benefic significations of 12th lord increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your take? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological > > > > > way > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back your intuition // If a person is consistently right in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions on basis of Intuitions then this person does not need > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study Birth Charts. He just has to look at a persons face and > > > > > > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here in this Group we talk of Logic and principles applied in > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not on results based upon intuitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase?// a) Please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide your views on above. b) Also please guide what results > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn produce if it is placed in 12th for house for Aquarius > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that you should not look at things in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological > > > > > way > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back your intuition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes stronger OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not looking for philosophical answers like 'good' or 'bad' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depends on native; it is all 'maya' etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom )// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My wisdom may not be acceptable by everyone... Planets are > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engulfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Maya. They do nto work as they would seem to. They have > > > > > > Owners to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instruct them how to drive and whereto... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Planet may appear as a bad man , placed bad, and a drunkard > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not give benific results, but if you look at the Owner of that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only then would you realise actually what that planet will > > > > > > serve... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A planet may be placed badly and owner of bad houses, but if > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra Lord is a benefic for the Horoscope, then after a > > > > > > fall, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is sure to come........ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " kiran.rama " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a stronger planet mean that ALL significations of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house(s) it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords become stronger or do ONLY BENEFIC significations of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house(s) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it lords become stronger? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider 12HL - if 12HL is in its own house or exalted - > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well placed - then the benefic significations of the 12H > > > > > namely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (salvation)/ less losses & expenses - rather gains/controlled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the 12HL is debilitated then imprisonment/ punishment, > > > > > > increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passions/affairs, losses & expenses increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So house lord being strong INCREASES BENEFIC significations > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if the house lord is aspected by benefic, it > > > > > > increases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic aspects of the house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any agreeements/ disagreements on the above rule & thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catch the changing security environment Get it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latest auto launches and test drives Drag n’ drop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Dear Anup ji, Thank you for pointing this fact out about Me being the most inner planet and Shani being the most outer planet. Very interesting. Please feel free to post out things that I missed or might have overlooked that way we can have a good archive base on our list with lots of information that we have benefited to have learnt from Guru ji. Cheers !!! Ash , " Anup.M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ash ji, >  >  > Keep posting to make the basics clear which is very necessary for all of us. >  > Just wanted to add for it is not coincidence that Mercury and Saturn rules > the upachay houses but also Mercury is first in inner and Saturn is last planet in > outer circle of our solar system.  >  >  > Regards > Anup >  > > --- On Tue, 27/4/10, ashsam73 <kas wrote: > > > ashsam73 <kas > Sectors of Shani > > Tuesday, 27 April, 2010, 5:41 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > Mercury is very important planet. It rules natural 3rd and 6th house. Which means it is KARAK for 8th which is 5th from 4th house. 4th is knowledge and 8th house is research or " next generation " of 5th just as lagna and 5th is self and child the next generation. > > Me also rules 6th house in kalpurush chart and that is KARAK for 11th house i.e. success or self earned income. > > Now Shani rules natural 10th and 11th so KARAK for 3rd i.e. Parakram and hence the attribute of " Hard work " is attributed to Shani and it rules Aqu which is natural 11th house which is KARAK for 4th i.e. the mind. The more powerful is Shani the more is the grasping power. Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansha all deal with individuality and are one of the most important D charts. > > There is nothing like D-30 as its not linear. Hence I am calling it Trishansa. You can call it D-30 as long as everyone is clear that its not linear like other D charts. > > Now, coming to Mercury relation, Shani will give one brilliance and photographic memory and Mercury will give the person the ability to do research and " Tark " . One can work his way back from first principles. > > Now also note the natural upchay for 1st house are Me and Sa. > > 3rd = Gemini > 6th = Virgo > 10th = Shani > 11th = Shani. > > Now Me and Sa rule the upchay sthan in Kalprush chart for 1st house. > > Also if you will note, that > > 3rd and 10th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively and > 6th and 11th are upchay or A and B or Phal and KARAK respectively. > > Now with regards to your question on its common to have 1 sector of Sa, yes, but the requirement is that more " Mand " means more sectors of Shani the more the brilliance. > > 3 or more sectors of Shani makes one more brilliant so like that. > > Regarding your question of Krushna's Ayanamsa, then the accurate program for that is the KAS program that you have downloaded. Manu Batura ji has tuned the ayanamsa using complex equations so that very accurate values of KAY is available from the program itself. > > Now in your chart you have 2 sectors of Sa and 4 of Mercury, so this shows your inner nature is that you have a decent memory but u are sharp in the sense one you get the principles and understand them you can work from first principles and you do not need to remember them going forward. So something like that. > > Getting one Saturn means very average. There is a lesson on the same on Donna's website where Guru ji has given this. You can download the same as well and just read it. > > ok, i am out of time. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " <axeplex@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > It is interesting. By Trishansa, you mean Trimshamsa (D-30), it is to look nto D-3, D-9 and D-30. > > > > I could not find KAS Ayanamsa in software but used KAS V3.3. Is it ok? > > > > Why Mercury is being considered (Karaka) > > > > I found 2 Saturns and 4 Mercury in my chart. How shall you delineate? > > > > I would check in some other charts too but I feel getiing one Saturn shall be very common. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > The names I have mentioned for checking by no means is an exhaustive list. There are many many brilliant minds in todays Jyotish world striving hard. > > > > > > I do not want anyone to feel offended as i mentioned these names as I was reading these mails on the list and these names were fresh in my mind and so decided on an impulse to check their charts and who's charts I had easy access to. Therefore please, my post by no means is indicative of leaving sincere jyotish and brilliant people out. Anyone can check their charts and check the lagna, sun and moon falling in which sectors of Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa. Yes the caveat is that please using Krushna's Ayanamsa for delicate cases where the lagna might change or navamsa, dreshkon or trishansa might change. > > > > > > All of them have a scientific mind and I was confident of the dictum of Parasara. > > > > > > There are many brilliant criminals, who can see a map and remember it and have photographic memory. There are many brilliant singers who can remember verses, or Jyotish Pundits, who can remember charts once they see it or if they had solved similar charts they remember those for a long long time. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Group, > > > > > > > > The meaning of Mand buddhi has been taken in the wrong way. > > > > > > > > Mand planets are slow moving planets. As everyone knows Shani is refered to as Mand. > > > > > > > > Natural 11th sign is that of Aquarius and that is KARAK for 4th house which is Moon. > > > > > > > > Now, in KAS we check if Lagna, Sun and Moon fall in the Navamsa, Dreshkon and Trishansa of Shani then that gives a person brilliance / photographic Memory. > > > > > > > > This is the power of Mand = Shani. > > > > > > > > Also Guru is a slow moving planet and that too causes delay too. Now compared to Mercury even Guru is Mand. Now taking Mand and applying it to calling it akin to " Slow brains " or in that way, is totally mis-understanding Parasara or any other Rishi. > > > > > > > > On one hand some systems are calling Guru in Aquarius akin to exaltation, on the other hand labelling Shani as Mand buddhi... > > > > > > > > For confirmation of the above, by example. Kindly check the following charts. > > > > > > > > - Einstein (lagna, sun and moon falling in over 3 sectors of shani) > > > > - Professor Dr. B.V. Raman ji (has lagna, sun moon falling in 5 sectors) > > > > - G.K Goel ji has 2 sectors of Shani and 3 of Guru. > > > > - Bhaskar ji has 2 of Shani and 4 Guru > > > > - Chandu bhai Patel ji had 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury > > > > - Shyam Sunder Kansal ji has 2 of Shani and 2 of Mercury > > > > - Sunil Nair ji has 2 of Shani and 3 of Mercury. > > > > - Sanjay Rath ji has 2 of Shani > > > > - Narasimha ji has 3 shani. > > > > > > > > These are some charts that i could think of have made contribution in todays jyotish world and ofcouse Albert Einstein is Alebert Einstein. > > > > > > > > I had felt the need to set the record straight here as it seems that people are incorrectly interpreting Mand buddhi as someone as " slow " or " dim " or " dumb " . > > > > > > > > Parasara has given correctly that in Kali Yug, Ashtakavarga plays a primary importance in delineating a chart and particularly with " Mand Buddhi " and that means more brilliant people and it is not for common person i.e. one who does not have more sectors of Shani. > > > > > > > > Please read the above verse of Parasara with the above explanation and things will get clear. > > > > > > > > Sunil ji, you had mentioned that KAS is not mentioned by Parasara. On the contrary it is in every verse and in all the classics. > > > > > > > > Take any verse, and study it using the upchay theory. Leave aside the name of " KAS " but study it with the principles given by Guru ji and then understand the verse and it will make this shastra more clear. > > > > > > > > I do not know what " ancient " astrology is, all i know is KAS, and i can pick any book up that is called " ancient " and will demonstrate using the principles of KAS that it is there in all these books. > > > > > > > > On the contrary Parasara has given good guidance for people in Kali Yuga, but if verses are interpreted in such a way then........ ..... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji, > > > > > //Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara > > > > > Muni says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results// > > > > > ha ha ha probably no one wants to be manda budhi or may be angry with > > > > > parasara for calling them so!!!... > > > > > //another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets > > > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue )// > > > > > i think it is not funny but serious because kanya means bachelor and its > > > > > lord is naturally not interested in 7H matters(here it is > > > > > marriage/sex) .Is it not?.You can take my chart as an example!!... . > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sunil " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > many thanks for posting further details on this chart > > > > > > > > > > > > But i request u to post such details along with age of nativ or dasa > > > > > to > > > > > > see it astrologicaly > > > > > > > > > > > > There is 3 versions on karakatwa for ( 3 schools of thoughts ) Elder > > > > > > siblings > > > > > > > > > > > > One is famous one jup is karaka for elders and 11th House frm Lagna > > > > > > rules elder siblings hence Take 11th frm Jup as karaka lagna and Lord > > > > > > is venus is Exalted in 9th House frm the sign of elders and its in 7th > > > > > > House Nivriti bhava frm nativs chart . > > > > > > > > > > > > {( Jaya(wife ),adhwa(walking ) prayanam(yatra or journeys) cha > > > > > Vyaparam > > > > > > (work and activities )hrutha ( the stolen wealth) and veekshana > > > > > (drishti > > > > > > /how we see or interact with outside world as loose translation ) > > > > > > maranam (death ) cha swadehasya Jayabhava nireekhsayeth- -parasara hora > > > > > > as result to see frm 7th House }and sure kama vikara -sex and sexual > > > > > > urges too > > > > > > > > > > > > so benefics in 7th givs a easy life for nativs generaly and may b the > > > > > > karaka s/Lordships etc are contributing ( sure subjuct to whole chart > > > > > > influence ) > > > > > > since it is Meena Ubhyodaya sign-rising with head and tail (tru out > > > > > > Life is the influence we cAN infer ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Another one is Take Mars as karaka and see 11th House as karaka Lagna > > > > > > for elders frm it and 3rd House frm it for younger brothers (here 11th > > > > > > frm mars is meena sign and venus exlated in it and Lord is jupiter > > > > > again > > > > > > exlated ) > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd is Take sat for elders and mars for younger siblings ( this is > > > > > Nadi > > > > > > Karaka s) and predict accordingly But many nadies hardly use Lagna and > > > > > > uses transits mainly ,so i dont think we can use it easily with > > > > > > Vimshottary scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why no one used Sarva ashta varga for nativs chart which Parasara > > > > > Muni > > > > > > says it is for kaliyuga and Mandabudhies to delinate results . > > > > > > > > > > > > any one wanted to takeup this tru Ashtavarga ( sorry for KAS ppl ,as > > > > > > the system is not mentioned parasara scheme we cannot use it here as > > > > > > addon for our discussion but ur views r alwys welcome independenly > > > > > ,so > > > > > > devi singhji can come out frm hibernation ) > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita ji pls mention abt his kids > > > > > > > > > > > > karaka jup ( has aspect of sani )exalted and lord exlated tho vakri > > > > > > (again sani ) and house has no apparent affliction but for kanya rasi > > > > > > 5th House is alpaputra rasi and its where jup the karaka gets > > > > > debilated > > > > > > ,and exaltation house of 8th L mars too > > > > > > > > > > > > so i wud lov to know abt them > > > > > > > > > > > > another point is it is funny to note --Lord of Kanya sign merc gets > > > > > > debilated in 7th House ( any clue ) [] > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > Thank you for your feed back. This is a chart which generated a lot > > > > > of > > > > > > interest and various theories among the half- baked, " budding " > > > > > > astrologers in my family who are constantly in exchange of views. Some > > > > > > of the points we came up with as to why this person has not been even > > > > > > averagely successful or earned himself a bad name are as follows. Hope > > > > > > to get more feed back from the forum. Please, my deal all, remember I > > > > > am > > > > > > just a learner. I have pasted the exchange that took place within my > > > > > > family circle and listed out the points as follows.He is the youngest > > > > > > among 5 children. except for his eldest sibling , the middle three > > > > > have > > > > > > passed away, the 4th one at the age of 40 of pancreatic cancer after > > > > > > suffering for 3 months in a hospital, 3rd one at the age of 44 of > > > > > brain > > > > > > haemorhage after 15 days in the hospital , 2nd one at the age of 62 of > > > > > > arterial burst in the stomach. died soon after reaching the hospital. > > > > > > Like Sunil ji says, the chart on the face of it, looks > > > > > > > very attractive. But kudos to astrology and its depths, learning > > > > > this > > > > > > chart with all of you on the forum has been a very enlightening > > > > > > experience for me. Thanks to sunil ji, shivaniji, goel ji, gopiji > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > > Saturn as his 5th ( for elder born)  AND 6th lord of diseases > > > > > and > > > > > > debts, > > > > > > > enemies  ( He is more important as 6th being moola trikona sign > > > > > > > here) is exalted and is afflicting his labha lord Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > This lord of 6th , in turn is afflicted by an exalted lord of 12th > > > > > > > who is in 8th forming a VRY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) > > > > > > > This VRY is not powerful since this exalted 12th lord is once again > > > > > > > afflicted by exalted 6th lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) > > > > > > > his 2nd and 9th lord venus is exalted but the 9th > > > > > > > house itself is afflicted by the malefic 3rd and 8th lord > > > > > > > Mars in paapakartari yoga between exalted sun on one side and > > > > > > debilitated ketu > > > > > > > on the other which might account for his  " habitsâ€� and > > > > > >   " living styleâ€�. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) > > > > > > > His exalted sun also afflicted by debilitated rahu from dhanu and > > > > > > exalted retro saturn from Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) > > > > > > > His exalted 4th and 7th lord Ju , though vargothama and > > > > > > > in 11th house, is conjunct debilitated 2nd and 8th > > > > > > > lord Mars in navamsa. In rashi chart, he is afflicted by the exalted > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > lord Saturn. In navamsa too, the exalted 4th and 7th lord > > > > > > > Jupiter is afflicted by his exalted 6th lord Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) > > > > > > > Ju, when exalted makes a person totally self centred and blind to > > > > > > other peoples > > > > > > > opinions, feelings and needs. It might make them succeed in the area > > > > > > ruled by > > > > > > > such a Jupiter but the other things remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8) > > > > > > > Looks like the retro Saturn in his 2nd house that makes him so rude, > > > > > > > reckless and foul in speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9)only > > > > > > > his 2nd and 9th house venus, remains sort of unafflicted > > > > > > > in both rashi and navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10) if you see his D12, for his parents, his 4th > > > > > > > lord Ju is afflicted by retro Sa, karaka for hard work and misery > > > > > and > > > > > > leg pain > > > > > > > etc, but 9th lord venus is in own house and unafflicted. But the > > > > > > > karaka for mother moon is debilitated and tho aspected by exalted > > > > > ju, > > > > > > ju > > > > > > > himself is afflicted by retro Saturn. Karaka for father sun is once > > > > > > again > > > > > > > unafflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11) > > > > > > > check his D7 for progeny, his 5th lord Saturn representing his first > > > > > > > born  and 7th lord Ju > > > > > > > representing his second born are in parivarthana yoga. Wonder what > > > > > > this > > > > > > > signifies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12) > > > > > > > check his D10 for actions in society and profession. His 10th lord > > > > > > > budha is in his 6th house of lagna chart. 11th lord moon > > > > > > > and 12th lord sun are in debilitation rashis. Ju representing 7th > > > > > > > house is in own house. Jupiter, in his case represents spouse also > > > > > > being the 7th > > > > > > > lord. Exalted, vargothama and severely afflicted. > > > > > > > 13) His 10th house has debilitated Ketu with the 10th lord conjunct > > > > > > 8th lord mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 14) > > > > > > > 11th house among other things represents elder siblings. In his > > > > > > > case, it is afflicted in several of his divisional charts. He > > > > > has > > > > > > lost > > > > > > > 3 of his 4 elder siblings. May be the exalted Jupiter in 11th > > > > > > signifies that they, his elder siblings have > > > > > > > done well in their life. His elder siblings I mean. They have > > > > > > supported him a > > > > > > > lot.Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 25/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ > > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > > increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 April, 2010, 11:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANITA ji , > > > > > > > REALLY THIS IS A VERY EDUCATIVE NATIVITY . > > > > > > >  Angular houses from Moon > > > > > > > and Lagna pada are occupied by Exalted planets.Story ends here. > > > > > > > RAHU and Ketu are in debility and exalted Saturn is 'ATI VAKRA' in > > > > > > D-1. > > > > > > > Lagna and 10H( occupied by Debilitated Ketu) lord is conjunct with > > > > > 8H > > > > > > lord in D-1 > > > > > > > and generated Daridra yoga. > > > > > > > When four planets were in debility in D-9 , there was nothing left > > > > > for > > > > > > him > > > > > > > but to fall from Dharma. > > > > > > > WHY NOT YOU GIVE COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THIS NATIVITY FOR THE BENEFIT > > > > > > > OF GROUP MEMBERS. > > > > > > > REGARDS, > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:56:29 +0530 > > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > > increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear goel ji, > > > > > > > check out this horoscope. DOB: 5-5-55, quilon, kerala, 15:30 hrs. > > > > > > Never did any good in life. Mostly living on other peoples good will. > > > > > I > > > > > > had pasted the details of this horoscope earlier too and this is a > > > > > > classic example for study of exaltation and debilitation of planets, > > > > > > including those of trik houses. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 23/4/10, gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > > > > > > RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet > > > > > increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Friday, 23 April, 2010, 4:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR friends, > > > > > > > TRIK HOUSE LORDS , if in exaltation in D-1 or D-9 > > > > > > > GENERALLY do not yield to material prosperity. > > > > > > > Reverse is the case if these are in debilitation. > > > > > > > If these lords are in debilitation in D-9 charts , no dobout it > > > > > > > gives material prosperity but they fall from their Dharma. > > > > > > > Trick Lords ,if strong in Shadbala is not considered good. > > > > > > >  Lord of any house including Trik houses yield to auspicious > > > > > > results > > > > > > >  if they have more than 12.5 Vimshopkabala on the scale of 20. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > kiran.rama (AT) (DOT) co.in > > > > > > > Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:38:40 +0000 > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Stronger Planet increases > > > > > > Benefic Significations of a house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take is that 12th lord becoming stronger means it is better for > > > > > the > > > > > > native as benefic significations of 12th lord increase > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your take? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological > > > > > way > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back your intuition // If a person is consistently right in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictions on basis of Intuitions then this person does not need > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study Birth Charts. He just has to look at a persons face and > > > > > > predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here in this Group we talk of Logic and principles applied in > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not on results based upon intuitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stronger OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase?// a) Please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide your views on above. b) Also please guide what results > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn produce if it is placed in 12th for house for Aquarius > > > > > Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kiran.rama " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that you should not look at things in isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have said time and again, unless you can isolate effect of > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component separately - you cannot be consistent in predictions. In > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case you are relying on intuition and finding some astrological > > > > > way > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back your intuition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Say 12th lord becomes stronger, is it good for the native or > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the good significations of 12th house increase as the 12th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes stronger OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the bad significaitons of 12th house increase? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not looking for philosophical answers like 'good' or 'bad' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depends on native; it is all 'maya' etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom )// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My wisdom may not be acceptable by everyone... Planets are > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engulfed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Maya. They do nto work as they would seem to. They have > > > > > > Owners to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instruct them how to drive and whereto... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Planet may appear as a bad man , placed bad, and a drunkard > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not give benific results, but if you look at the Owner of that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only then would you realise actually what that planet will > > > > > > serve... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A planet may be placed badly and owner of bad houses, but if > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra Lord is a benefic for the Horoscope, then after a > > > > > > fall, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is sure to come........ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > > > > " kiran.rama " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kiran.rama@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does a stronger planet mean that ALL significations of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house(s) it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lords become stronger or do ONLY BENEFIC significations of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house(s) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it lords become stronger? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider 12HL - if 12HL is in its own house or exalted - > > > > > > meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well placed - then the benefic significations of the 12H > > > > > namely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moksha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (salvation)/ less losses & expenses - rather gains/controlled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the 12HL is debilitated then imprisonment/ punishment, > > > > > > increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passions/affairs, losses & expenses increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So house lord being strong INCREASES BENEFIC significations > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly if the house lord is aspected by benefic, it > > > > > > increases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefic aspects of the house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any agreeements/ disagreements on the above rule & thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I am sure Bhaskarji will drop his pearls of wisdom ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catch the changing security environment Get it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The latest auto launches and test drives Drag n’ drop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.