Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 Dear Group, I wrote this mail on another list. It might be useful for members here on our list as well. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -- Dear TW ji, I do not have the chart at the moment, however, hopefully this evening I will take a look at the chart and give you my comments from KAS view point. Regarding the theory, Saturn by its nature cause delay. In KAS and as you poitned out even Krishmamurthi ji has found the same that if Saturn is in 5th house then it aspects House ABC (for KP enthusiasts) it means 2nd (House A i.e. KARAK, House B = 7th i.e. house being studied and House C = 11th house). Now these house are taken particularly as they are UPCHAY sthan from KARAK i.e. 2nd house so 11th house is 10th from 2nd and 7th house is 6th from 2nd. So if Saturn is in 5th house in Rasi (and also 5th house in Navamsa) it will Aspect House ABC and it will cause delay. Secondly, say if Sa is in 7th house and if it aspects / conjoins 2nd and 11th lord in Rasi or their lords in Navamsa too it will cause delay. Thirdly, say if Sa rules 2nd, 11th or 7th and it aspects or conjoins their lords in Rasi or Navama then too it will cause delay. Moderation of Delay Guru can moderate delay of Saturn provided it is not in Rasi, Navamsa, Nakshatra of Shani or in the sign of Libra which is the unncha rasi of Shani. Guru's status is checked in Rasi and Navamsa. So even if Sa for exdample is in 5th house in Rasi but its aspected by Guru from say 1st, 9th or 11th (as long as guru is not in sign, nak, nav of shani or in libra in rasi or navamsa) it can moderate the delay of Shani. Delay caused by Guru. If Guru aspects Karak and phal sthan i.e. 2nd and 7th then Guru can also cause delay. Lets say Aries is lagna and Guru is in 11th house and Ve is in 7th house then Guru will aspect Ve who is lord of 2nd and 7th so it will cause delay. Now, if Sa is in 5th house so here Saturn will also cause delay, which will be moderated by Guru and Guru then you add the delay caused by Guru. Number of 0's in SAV also cause delay. Overriding factor. Even if there is a lot of delay, strong and powerful Blessings can remove or moderate the delay. By blessings I mean, the relation of Lagan and 9th lord from Su, Mo and Lagna. If they are in 5:9 from all 3 or if 9th lord goes into 2nd house i.e. Father / Guru itself becomes KARAK for marriage then in that case, there is a probability that marriage might happen early due to blessings or due to father / Guru. Desh, kaal paatra has to be studied for that. There is also some laws like if the KARAK and Mool KARAK are very spoilt then delay is very much. It might be after 42 or so marriage might take place. Sa and Mo combination that what Krishnamurthi ji has said punarphoo that too delays marriage, but not in all cases, by a lot particuarly if this combo is in 7th house. Its in one of the lessons as well. Regarding the other point of birth time rectification, we have been instructed by Guru ji to first make sure that the birth time is accurate before venturing into any prediction. With KAS program you can get the power of planets and one can find out how the dasha will unfold. If for example Shani is in 5th house and at the same time lagna is at border and nothing to moderate the delay or no blessings are there, and if the person says that he is married early i.e. 21 (legal age in India) then its obvious that something is not right. Now if more events are known like line of work or passing date from university or any health issues or for that matter buying a house or death of parents or things like that then one can find out if other events are matching. If nothing is matching or say 1 or 2 events are matching out of say 10 events then its better to leave the chart. If a person is facing debt problems or is finding that he is unable to manage in his income then one can check the poitns of 12th and compare that to 11th house and see if it is in line. With the availability of the power of planets it becomes easier to check these things. Death of parents is generally in highest powre planet. This can be checked in the chart. So like that one can check events and i do not think it is a seasoned persons job. Every one can check the events. The concept of Ruling planet , asking a number from 1 to 1800 (in KAS we ask number from 1 to 1800) for casting prashna is with the philosophy that eveything in nature works in harmony so if the question is from the needy person who is sincere in his or her question then the question is said to take birth and if a chart is cast at that point in time that becomes the birth chart (prashna) of the question. If the question is lingering in the mind from a long time and one does not know when the question was born, then in that time we ask number from 1 to 1800 and then cast the chart using Nadi. The number must come from heart and naturally. The Micro portion of KAS is not taught so far and KP system is using cusp system that was in vouge at that time but in KAS our House System is very different. Guru ji has not talked about it except to very few students. In any case, I enjoy reading KP and the analysis and try to follow as much as I can of all the learned members on this list. The above is touching some of the theory portion. Still there is much and I am out of time. I have digressed and spoken about some other points of KAS which were not asked, but as it came to my mind, i penned them down. If i get time in the evening, i shall give my comment on the chart. Cheers !!! Ash , " Hussein " <ahahosien wrote: > > Dear TW ji > > 1-My name is Hussein,I don't know why you don't call me with my name. > 2-The main rule of full Sa's delay in KAS is that when Sa has relation with LOA,LOB,LOC or their upchay houses it will cause delay,but at the same time we have some combination which will nullify the delay and cause an early marriage.In this chart these are such combination and also the Antra in which marriage will take place is not correct as per KAS. > 3-Just using RPs are not logical.We are human with logical system of thinking,in this 20th century .I think It's our right to check if some pat events match with the given time. > > Best wishes > > Hussein > > -- > > > > , " TW " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dear KAS seniors Ash ji, Bala ji, > > Could you kindly give any KAS comment on this case, because > > a) in my understanding BTR is a an experienced astrolger's job in KAS, not like anyone's job in KP; and > > b) " When Saturn aspects Houses A, B and C, (2,7,11) we know that there will be a full delay (in marriage) " in " Krushna's Lessons - English translation- lesson 31, page 150 " is the same as in " KP Reader IV page p 109 " " Generally, all those in whose chart Sani is placed in the 5th house will have their marriage , delayed and delayed till the very end. " > > /message/14711?threaded=1 > > Thanks and regards, > > TW > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 Dear Ash ji Please answer my recent message,it seems you didn't see it: /message/22278 Best wishes Hussein ---- , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Group, > > I wrote this mail on another list. It might be useful for members here on our list as well. > > Thanks, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > -- > > > Dear TW ji, > > I do not have the chart at the moment, however, hopefully this evening I will > take a look at the chart and give you my comments from KAS view point. > > Regarding the theory, Saturn by its nature cause delay. In KAS and as you > poitned out even Krishmamurthi ji has found the same that if Saturn is in 5th > house then it aspects House ABC (for KP enthusiasts) it means 2nd (House A i.e. > KARAK, House B = 7th i.e. house being studied and House C = 11th house). Now > these house are taken particularly as they are UPCHAY sthan from KARAK i.e. 2nd > house so 11th house is 10th from 2nd and 7th house is 6th from 2nd. > > So if Saturn is in 5th house in Rasi (and also 5th house in Navamsa) it will > Aspect House ABC and it will cause delay. > > Secondly, say if Sa is in 7th house and if it aspects / conjoins 2nd and 11th > lord in Rasi or their lords in Navamsa too it will cause delay. > > Thirdly, say if Sa rules 2nd, 11th or 7th and it aspects or conjoins > their lords in Rasi or Navama then too it will cause delay. > > Moderation of Delay > > Guru can moderate delay of Saturn provided it is not in Rasi, Navamsa, Nakshatra > of Shani or in the sign of Libra which is the unncha rasi of Shani. Guru's > status is checked in Rasi and Navamsa. > > So even if Sa for exdample is in 5th house in Rasi but its aspected by Guru from > say 1st, 9th or 11th (as long as guru is not in sign, nak, nav of shani or in > libra in rasi or navamsa) it can moderate the delay of Shani. > > Delay caused by Guru. > > If Guru aspects Karak and phal sthan i.e. 2nd and 7th then Guru can also cause > delay. > > Lets say Aries is lagna and Guru is in 11th house and Ve is in 7th house then > Guru will aspect Ve who is lord of 2nd and 7th so it will cause delay. Now, if > Sa is in 5th house so here Saturn will also cause delay, which will be moderated > by Guru and Guru then you add the delay caused by Guru. > > Number of 0's in SAV also cause delay. > > Overriding factor. > > Even if there is a lot of delay, strong and powerful Blessings can remove or > moderate the delay. By blessings I mean, the relation of Lagan and 9th lord > from Su, Mo and Lagna. If they are in 5:9 from all 3 or if 9th lord goes into > 2nd house i.e. Father / Guru itself becomes KARAK for marriage then in that > case, there is a probability that marriage might happen early due to blessings > or due to father / Guru. Desh, kaal paatra has to be studied for that. > > There is also some laws like if the KARAK and Mool KARAK are very spoilt then > delay is very much. It might be after 42 or so marriage might take place. > > Sa and Mo combination that what Krishnamurthi ji has said punarphoo that too > delays marriage, but not in all cases, by a lot particuarly if this combo is in > 7th house. Its in one of the lessons as well. > > Regarding the other point of birth time rectification, we have been instructed > by Guru ji to first make sure that the birth time is accurate before venturing > into any prediction. > > With KAS program you can get the power of planets and one can find out how the > dasha will unfold. If for example Shani is in 5th house and at the same time > lagna is at border and nothing to moderate the delay or no blessings are there, > and if the person says that he is married early i.e. 21 (legal age in India) > then its obvious that something is not right. > > Now if more events are known like line of work or passing date from university > or any health issues or for that matter buying a house or death of parents or > things like that then one can find out if other events are matching. If nothing > is matching or say 1 or 2 events are matching out of say 10 events then its > better to leave the chart. > If a person is facing debt problems or is finding that he is unable to manage in > his income then one can check the poitns of 12th and compare that to 11th house > and see if it is in line. With the availability of the power of planets it > becomes easier to check these things. Death of parents is generally in highest > powre planet. This can be checked in the chart. So like that one can check > events and i do not think it is a seasoned persons job. Every one can check the > events. > > > The concept of Ruling planet , asking a number from 1 to 1800 (in KAS we ask > number from 1 to 1800) for casting prashna is with the philosophy that eveything > in nature works in harmony so if the question is from the needy person who is > sincere in his or her question then the question is said to take birth and if a > chart is cast at that point in time that becomes the birth chart (prashna) of > the question. If the question is lingering in the mind from a long time and one > does not know when the question was born, then in that time we ask number from 1 > to 1800 and then cast the chart using Nadi. The number must come from heart and > naturally. > > The Micro portion of KAS is not taught so far and KP system is using cusp system > that was in vouge at that time but in KAS our House System is very different. > Guru ji has not talked about it except to very few students. > > In any case, I enjoy reading KP and the analysis and try to follow as much as I > can of all the learned members on this list. > > The above is touching some of the theory portion. Still there is much and I am > out of time. > > I have digressed and spoken about some other points of KAS which were not asked, > but as it came to my mind, i penned them down. > > If i get time in the evening, i shall give my comment on the chart. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , " Hussein " <ahahosien@> wrote: > > > > Dear TW ji > > > > 1-My name is Hussein,I don't know why you don't call me with my name. > > 2-The main rule of full Sa's delay in KAS is that when Sa has relation with > LOA,LOB,LOC or their upchay houses it will cause delay,but at the same time we > have some combination which will nullify the delay and cause an early > marriage.In this chart these are such combination and also the Antra in which > marriage will take place is not correct as per KAS. > > 3-Just using RPs are not logical.We are human with logical system of > thinking,in this 20th century .I think It's our right to check if some pat > events match with the given time. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Hussein > > > > -- > > > > > > > > , " TW " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear KAS seniors Ash ji, Bala ji, > > > Could you kindly give any KAS comment on this case, because > > > a) in my understanding BTR is a an experienced astrolger's job in KAS, not > like anyone's job in KP; and > > > b) " When Saturn aspects Houses A, B and C, (2,7,11) we know that there will > be a full delay (in marriage) " in " Krushna's Lessons - English translation- > lesson 31, page 150 " is the same as in " KP Reader IV page p 109 " " Generally, all > those in whose chart Sani is placed in the 5th house will have their marriage , > delayed and delayed till the very end. " > > > /message/14711?threaded=1 > > > Thanks and regards, > > > TW > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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