Removal.....Reiki.....Kundalini - Deb

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb - some thoughts below

 

Deb111222 wrote:

I am glad that you reminded me that these energetic forms reside

strictly within the " lower astral " regions, which co-exist and overlap the

physical

dimension. I knew that, but needed to be reminded. This is something that

confused me about Lisa's experience with the orb. It seemed to me that she

had visited a " higher realm, " based on the beauty that she described. I was

perplexed that an energetic form with less than " higher " intentions would

reside there and try to, or even want to " escape " though the " doors. "

@@ There is beauty in the lower astral. There is love and joy and trust and

the twisting of these qualities as well. Like here in the physical.@@

 

I think of it as though these lower " thought forms " do have vibrational

frequency or energy which would manifest in the fertile thought " soil " that

is receptive, such as a fearful state of mind.

@@ Like attracts Like @@

I question whether or not

these lower " thought forms " are " intelligent " and purposely trying to " test " or

" challenge " us.

@@ They may or may not know. The testing will occur anyway just by virtue of

what happens. @@

Unless they are residue of a physical entity (or incarnate)

that is of a dominant or controlling nature, with this specific intention.

In other words, if someone that we know has a hateful attitude towards us,

then I can see how this could be " picked up on " in a lower astral state, and

manifest itself as a nightmare or fearful astral experience.

@@ This can often happen as well. It can also be another entity masquerading

as that person for the purpose of terror @@

 

But again, I feel that we have to " allow " this to happen. We do this

by giving in to our fears, or perhaps, by lack of self-esteem, feelings of

unworthiness.

@@ Yes Deb and when you see the game or test for what it is, it collapses, and

you move on @@

It bothers me that this could happen in a state of innocence or

ignorance, as you say, but I suppose this could happen when one looks " outside

of one's self " for feelings of love or worthiness.

@@ Innocence and ignorance are just learning platforms. The goodness and

purity do not leave. @@

I suppose it makes sense that discarnate entities of the lower astral

realm would be capable of a lie, if they were previously physical beings with

cruel intentions. But it seems that if this were the case, that they would

be in a state of transition, with strong attachments to the physical world. I

believe that eventually, their consciousness would evolve to a higher state.

@@ Yes on both counts. There is always an opportunity(s) for the entity to

advance. As long as the fixation is hurtful towards self or others then it

remains in a form of stasis. As the entity develops through opportunities it

begins to lighten up so to speak . And begins to evolve.@@

 

I like what you say about love being an actuator of evolution out of

polarity. I like what you say also about choosing what comes into your

" personal space. " And I also liked what John said about the wedding ring

analogy.

This made sense to me. This, I understood. This brings me back to learning

how to set " boundaries. " Something I have not always been so good at, but am

learning more and more the importance of this in the physical world, so it

would make sense that this would be necessary in the lower realms of the

astral world, as well. I am not always so clear on how to do this, successfully.

 

I like your analogy about learning how to know your environment the

same way a child learns whether it is safe to touch a hot stove. It makes sense

that one would have to learn the safeties of the lower astral realm, much

the same way.

 

That is interesting what you say about " not feeding it with attention "

is " feeding it with unattention. " I can understand this because I have

always questioned people who seem to be in denial about the negative things that

happen in this physical world. As I said before, I do not deny that we are

quite capable of experiencing the negative end of the spectrum. And I agree

that we do not need to be controlled by our " fear " of it. This is where the

idea of being able to stand back and " witness " and letting go of resistance is

helpful for me.

@@ Non- attachment is a virtue @@

 

You ask me why I begin to feel fear when people talk about negative

entities taking over us. You ask if it is " loss of control. " Yes, I would say

that I do have a " loss of control " issue. I have had many " controlling "

people in my life, throughout my life. I believe that it is because of my lack

of self-esteem and vulnerability. There are still limits to what I feel I can

control.

@@ This is most of the population Deb. People are not given the knowledge or

the opportunities to know there true worth, much of the time. @@

 

For example, yesterday the eye doctor told me that he saw a weakness in

my retina. I doubt there are many people who would not resist the idea of

the possibility of losing their sight one day. Yet, interestingly enough, my

resistance is not as high as one would think. I am tired of the

responsibilities of the work world and there are many things that I have seen

that I

would just as soon not see, and I am tired of fighting these big battles. So,

somewhere along the line I have gained a higher degree of acceptance and the

state of mind where not much can surprise me anymore, which may be the very

thing that saves my sight. I am ready to give up the fight of resistance.

Whatever happens, happens.

@@ Try pinhole glasses, and just so you understand Deb you have come to this

area of existence not by accident. You have earned the flow and it will be and

is coming to you and Sam and Mike if you and they choose to bring it. Part of

the K is the idea of fearlessness and inner knowing and divine trust and

intuitive brilliance. You have indeed fought many battles, and your character

and grace are there for all to see. Blessings to you Deb. @@

 

But this brings up an interesting point - when is the giving up of

resistance synonymous with giving up control?

@@ To choose surrender is to " give " up control. Choosing is the fulcrum. When

the Kundalini races through your body, sweeping the energy everywhere you

" choose " to surrender to this process. With the use of discernment. When your

appetites begin to change and you resist because it isnt what you normally eat,

and you get sick or weak, you choose to surrender to the process. Kundalini is

the ultimate mother and has no qualms about " tough love " .

Giving up to an entity incursion is one of the dangers of having Kundalini

without guidance - like mine was. So rest assured you will do well and your

intuition and your freinds and your guidance will not steer you wrong. You will

know. Kundalini is a connection to the divine one ness of all and isnt easily

hi-jacked.@@

In other words, what is the

difference between giving up resistance and allowing one's self to be controlled

by

conditions or people? Makes me wonder if one way of controlling fear is not

by reaching the state of " giving up. " Which in turn, would make one

vulnerable to stronger, more dominant and controlling energies and vibrations. I

can see how I have been there and done that in my life. How does one " control "

without resisting?

@@ By choosing what is and is not controlled or resisted. Discernment@@

 

@@ Blessings Deb - chrism @@

 

More questions, I suppose!

 

Deb

 

PS to Elektra: Thank you for your kind words. I agree with Stephen that

you are a bright light in this world and on this forum.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey - just responding and very much enjoying this conversation!

 

You are so right to point out that there is beauty in the lower astral.

It makes sense, since there is so much beauty on the physical Earth, as

well. My mother was just telling me and my brother to thank God for our

eyesight every day that we can use to see all of the beauty in the world. I

thought, " Every now and then, my mother actually makes sense! " LOL!

 

I have always wondered about this subject of " being tested. " Because,

let's face it, sometimes it sure does feel that way! Kind of like, the more

you try to get into the higher states of mind, the more things come at you

during the day as " challenges. " Sounds like Alora can relate to this! And

Stephen, and all of us. Sometimes it feels almost like a " magnetic pull. "

Perhaps it is because we are " trying too hard? "

 

Then you said, " When you see the game or test for what it is, it

collapses, and you move on. " Hmmmm. I must still be unclear about " what it

is. "

But I am learning how to not let it bother me as much. Practicing

" detachment. "

 

I like how you pointed out that innocence and ignorance are just

" learning platforms, " but the goodness and purity do not leave. This makes

sense.

I feel like they are learning platforms that we chose to experience from a

spiritual perspective, before coming to this Earth and that it is probably an

ongoing choice during unconscious astral trips, such as the dream state. So

as you say, we are not conscious of the " whole truth " most of the time.

 

Thanks for pointing out to use discernment. And thanks for sharing so

generously your vast knowledge on this subject. I appreciate so much all

that I am learning from you and all of my friends.

 

Deb