RE: Astral Dynamics - Wisdom Learned -

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" Condrey, Stephen SBYVAMC " <Stephen.Condrey

" stephen condrey " <stephencondrey

Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:22 AM

Re: Astral Dynamics - Wisdom Learned -NOW!

 

Great wisdom is spouting from you Folks!

 

The conflicts in my life I do mostly " forget " ; as with the overwhelming

stuff (That's why I say I'm trying not to " think too much " -LOL!).

 

In the past- for a long while I immersed myself in Martial Arts----teaching,

training-AND-

holding down a full time job as an RN...

 

ASsthe " general manager of repairs and gardening " in my home and school. I

was the entire Janitorial Crew at my School...Then I started to forget where

I came from!

 

Then Cancer knocked me flat on my butt and I suddenly started to remember

things!

 

Maybe that was one reason I was given the gift of a near fatal disease!

 

.....To " jog my memory of who I really was " .

 

Have a blessed day!

 

:-) :-) :-)

 

Stephen

 

 

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of

Deb111222

Monday, July 17, 2006 10:54 PM

 

Re: Astral Dynamics - Ray

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In a message dated 7/17/2006 10:28:25 PM GMT Standard Time,

raazor <raazor%40adelphia.net> writes:

 

I can certainly relate with the last part of your statement about " . . .

 

strongly held belief systems will override the memories and make them

impossible

to remember . . . " in that I was pursuing OBEs many years ago (seemingly

 

getting very close by the lucid dreams I was having every night) and

talked to

my priest about it (at my wife's firm request). He put the kabash on it

in no

uncertain terms and then wham, no more dreams!

I am now trying to rebuild. I seem to be getting there, but it's a slow

process.

 

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Ray - I can relate to a LOT of what you say! The priest, the alcoholic

father, not being in " sync " with the spouse, the parental fights, and of

 

course, " trying to rebuild. " Let's just say, " I understand completely. "

 

It is so hard to know what to do when one has been brought up in a

world of such strange contradictions and conditions. It can make a

person dizzy

just trying to make sense of it all.

 

Here's an example: The other day, I was telling my mother, " Some

people believe that you choose your issues before you come to Earth, and

it makes

sense to me that maybe I chose to get the hard stuff over with first and

then

coast through the second half of life, because that's just my

personality. "

 

She looked at me with her Catholic self and said, " BEFORE you came to

Earth? " And I said, " Yes, if we came FROM the spiritual world. " The

expression on her face was priceless as she said, " Where did you get a

crazy idea

like that from? " I didn't try to explain. I couldn't if I wanted to.

Then she

proceeded to tell me that things would never get easier. (Take it from

her.) Another " truth " that I was supposed to swallow.

 

But one day it occurred to me that I often feel guilty even if I didn't

do anything wrong, just because my mother convinced me that people might

 

" think " I did something wrong. She convinced me (indirectly) that what

other

people " think " is what I am all about, and we read minds because we know

what

other people are thinking, and they are thinking the worst, we just

" know "

they are. Kind of explains why my father drank! LOL!

 

She means well, she really does, but this is another example of how I

was taught to make my decisions based on " irrational thinking. " So for

me it

went kind of like this: At first I realized that (maybe) my childhood

was a

bit dysfunctional. Then I was angry. How could they do this to me? But

then I made my own mistakes. And at different points in my life I woke

up to

the frightening realization that I was my mother or I was my father or I

was my

ex-husband. That is when true forgiveness set in. When I turned into the

 

people I was the most angry at.

 

And I realized how things can make a full circle sometimes. How you

can find yourself switching roles before you knew what happened. How you

can

find yourself becoming the person you most judged. Then, all judgments

go out

the window. I hope you don't have to experience this. But judgments and

grudges have a way of going away, sooner or later. They just do. All

darkness

has a way of coming into the light of understanding. We can do it by

choice, or we can find out the hard way.

 

At this point, the only thing left to do is forgive yourself. Then

heal yourself. And one more thing:

 

A few weeks ago my husband had the sci-fi channel on and there was a

story of a lady who had been through some terrible experience and then

came

back where she was to start again in another world. She said she would

never be

able to go through with it after what she had been through, and another

lady

told her, " Yes you can. All you have to do is forget. " Then they gave

her

amnesia with some sort of technology, and she was all happy again.

 

And it made me realize that there also comes a point where the only

thing left to do is to " forget. " To really just put it " out of your

mind. "

Then you open up all sorts of avenues for newer, happier beginnings.

 

Sorry I got on a long roll again. But it seemed important, somehow. I

hope it helps.

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 7/19/2006 9:10:10 PM GMT Standard Time,

stephencondrey writes:

 

In the past- for a long while I immersed myself in Martial Arts----teaching,

training-AND-

holding down a full time job as an RN...

 

 

 

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This is what I do too, Stephen. When I am going through a particularly

difficult time, I do allow myself " some time " to try to sort it out, but

when it gets too painful, I also immerse myself in something else - find some

new " obsession " to take my mind off of it. Then after awhile, enough time goes

by and it gets easier. Probably why I read so many books.

 

Oh, and by the way - this is why I don't see myself not " thinking "

anytime soon. Try as I might. One time I went to a psychologist and she said,

" You think too much. " Another time, I went to a neurologist and he said, " You

have an exaggerated reflex response. " And another time I went to a regular

doctor and she said, " You are sleep deprived. " And they all agreed that I

have anxiety. So my theory is, save the money, get some sleep and relax.

 

And Lisa - I am glad to know that I am not the only one who likes to

stretch so much. I also crackle and pop a lot! I say, " Let's go for it. "

 

Deb