Robert Bruce - Deb & Sam

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In a message dated 7/31/2006 1:49:09 AM GMT Standard Time,

dallyup52 writes:

 

This latter group were very attracted to his

teaching of protection from the evil forces. That part of his

personality/personality/<WBR>philosophy I have a har

 

 

 

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Hey Sam - this was my first impression of Robert Bruce because the

first book I read was about astral protection. It freaked me out so bad, I

threw

it away and swore I would stay away from his teachings! But, I had already

purchased two other books from him, " Astral Dynamics " and " Mastering Astral

Projection. " I had them set aside and decided to give him another try,

started reading " Astral Dynamics, " and got a totally different impression,

which I

have shared the things that helped me.

 

So, like you, I have mixed emotions about him and his philosophy. And

I am trying to give the protection thing the benefit of the doubt, now that I

better understand " lower levels " and that there is much more to astral

travel than just that. (Thanks to Chrism.)

 

And I have to admit that I have learned a lot of things from Robert

Bruce recently that I did find helpful, based on his intense research and

knowledge of the subject. As far as that other stuff goes, I prefer not to

give it

my attention if I can help it. I want to feel safe as much as anybody, but

his methods of protection only seem to make the problem worse, by stimulating

my imagination concerning " evil forces. " This tends to increase my fear.

 

And I believe that if there is such a thing (in the lower levels), fear

is the one thing that would attract it into an astral experience. And it is

reasonable to me that there is such a thing, since it seems so apparent here

in the " physical world. " Personally, I think the most effective method of

avoiding such experiences is by focussing on the teachings that ease the

fears, rather than activating them. This is the only real conflict that I have

with him, and the reason that I feel much more comfortable with William

Buhlman's methods of teaching, overall. I find them to feel much less

threatening.

 

 

I did like Robert Bruce's water protection visualization thing - that

one is okay! Not sure if I want to go to one of his workshops, though! I am

too easily spooked! If I can overcome that, I think I will " break free " and

have some incredible experiences. Still working on it, though, based on some

experiences I have had in the physical dimension and of course, nightmares.

As I mentioned before, I don't deny that bad experiences can happen.

Having a dream is one thing, but feeling an actual " touch " is another. (Which

has

happened to me.) We're talking heart attack! What I need to know is how to

bypass them altogether when attempting an astral experience, rather than

living in fear of them and in need of protection from them. But then again,

doesn't everyone! Any suggestions would be most welcome. I value your opinion

and others here very much.

 

I agree that Robert Bruce is an interesting character, though, for sure!

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 7/31/2006 3:14:43 AM GMT Standard Time,

dallyup52 writes:

 

I don't really understand what you are asking here.

 

 

 

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I guess I am still trying to figure out how to completely eliminate

those fears that creep up when trying to astral project. Fears of the

possibility of having an unpleasant experience. The kind that Robert Bruce

talks

about, that he feels we need " protection " from.

 

Deb

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Deb & Sam,

 

I think I'll have to get that book. I've been looking at Robert's

website ( http://www.astraldynamics.com ). Seems he has a workshop

in Helena in October and has had them there before. Have you been or

heard anything about them Sam?

 

Mike

 

, Deb111222

wrote:

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> Yesterday, I read a lot more of " Astral Dynamics. " Some chapters

of that

> book totally captivate me, and then other chapters are more

difficult to get

> through. It takes so much discipline to make it through 550

pages! So, I'm

> picking up a lot, but missing a lot too, I think. But overall,

it is helping

> me to better understand many things. And this book is actually

easing my

> fears, where his other book did not.

>

Deb

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Mike,

 

I have spent time at the three workshops he did here in Helena. I am

a little connected with the people at the Feathered Pipe Ranch where

he has given his last three.

 

I think that it might be at the Blacktail next year. That is where we

introduced him to the " cave " . An enormously complex labyrinth of under

ground caves that have been used for 10's of thousands of years by our

forefathers. There is one large chamber in the beginning that was, at

one time, used for some very interesting purposes. Needless to say

there is the opportunity to have very interesting experiences in that

environment. Lights out, deep and dark with a history.

 

Anyway, I went to meet him the first time since I had read his books

and wanted some clarification on both what he meant about some things

and to ask him why he would say things in his book that obviously

weren't accurate. (He uses statements like " always " and " never " when

he probably means " in my experience " or " usually " .) The short answer

is ... that is just Robert. He is a bit theatrical.

 

I met some very nice and experienced people there. Several who had

spent time (years) with Sai Baba whom I have an interest. I felt

repelled, appalled, and connected to Bruce. There was a contingent in

the group who I felt very aligned with and there was another

contingent who were very paranoid and I felt both estranged from and

strangely protective of. This latter group were very attracted to his

teaching of protection from the evil forces. That part of his

personality/philosophy I have a hard time with.

 

The second workshop was attended by a large number of friends from

Helena and was marked by a couple of the women leaving after some of

Bruces comments about astral sex and evil entities having their way

with individuals. The details aren't that important but I think it

had to do with the difficulty in teaching people to be protected from

what might just be themselves at a different level. A conflict that I

saw crop up several times. But maybe that's just me. : )

 

The third workshop was this year and I attended the entire workshop.

Not that I wanted to but I was guided to do it. My strange connection

to him and Kundalini. He does a lot of body energy movement

work/experimentation. It was futher guidence for me to get more

envolved with K. Other things happened there that were important to

me but definately not what I heard through my ears. There were people

from England, the US and Russia. Again a very powerful, wonderful mix

of spirits.

 

He has my respect for spreading the word about astral traveling and

body energy work. His workshops, I think, are worthwhile. I saw

people go through important transformations (much supported by other

participants rather than Bruce). However, I must say that I have

found that the most powerful contributors to my experience at

workshops has always been the other participants rather than the

presenters. And Robert Bruce does attract powerful individuals

attending his workshops.

 

My experience of him is of an authentic and unique person going

through his own trials and tribulations who is willing to share his

journey with those who will listen.

 

I would not suggest that you go to his workshops to be an expert

astral traveler or Kundalini master or a body energy wizard. But I

think that you will get something that you didn't expect and it will

be worth your time.

 

If it is held either at the Feathered Pipe or the Blacktail, it will

be in a beautiful setting with magic in the air (and great food).

That much is a lock.

 

BlessU

Sam

 

, " mgball2001 "

<mgball2001 wrote:

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> Hi Deb & Sam,

>

> I think I'll have to get that book. I've been looking at Robert's

> website ( http://www.astraldynamics.com ). Seems he has a workshop

> in Helena in October and has had them there before. Have you been or

> heard anything about them Sam?

>

> Mike

[Guest guest]

Deb,

I don't really understand what you are asking here.

BlessU

Sam

 

> living in fear of them and in need of protection from them. But

then again,

> doesn't everyone! Any suggestions would be most welcome. I value

your opinion

> and others here very much.

>

> I agree that Robert Bruce is an interesting character, though,

for sure!

>

> Deb

[Guest guest]

Just so you know Deb, the scatterfield will help you in or out of body, there

nothing to fear. -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Just so you know Deb, the scatterfield will help you in or out of body, there

is nothing to fear. -

 

[Guest guest]

hi Deb,

I don't fully astral travel yet, though I have had a few experiences .

I imagine that it would be the same as " reality " here, where in if you have no

fear, nothing can harm you as all is Good at the end of the day, as all is God.

 

I have had some pretty hair raising moments whilst travelling, seamingly

dangerous, and yet, keeping my mind in love and unified with the divine, nothing

ever happened that could harm me or any other in any way.

It's the best talisman there is, no fear, just love and knowledge that all is

divine.

even the boogieman.

Much love and light to you,

elektra x x x

 

 

 

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Deb,

 

There are simple answers. like " Trust yourself and the universe ...

blah blah blah " but I don't think that there are easy answers.

 

I know that at first I was scared out of my mind (no pun intended).

I did develop protection schemes (white lights, Santa Claus, close

eyes real tight and open quick, etc.) when I was quite young.

 

After much experience I finally found that, for me, there was really

nothing that was dangerous or could destroy me. There are tims when I

am still frighthtened in my travels but I usually use the fear to

guide me rather than to automatically chase me away. Sometimes the

fear is so automatic and the response so automatic that things just

happen fast.

 

There probably isn't anything specific anyone can say to completely

allay your fears and shouldn't be. The process of working through

your fears is an important process. The fears are there for a reason.

Use the fears as your guide to the process. Enjoy them. Thank your

Gods that you have them. Continue your good works.

 

 

BlessU

Sam

 

, Deb111222 wrote:

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> In a message dated 7/31/2006 3:14:43 AM GMT Standard Time,

> dallyup52 writes:

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> I don't really understand what you are asking here.

>

>

>

> <<<<<<<

>

> I guess I am still trying to figure out how to completely

eliminate

> those fears that creep up when trying to astral project. Fears of the

> possibility of having an unpleasant experience. The kind that

Robert Bruce talks

> about, that he feels we need " protection " from.

>

> Deb

[Guest guest]

Deb,

I highly recommend you try to Astral Project in the daytime hours. I understand

the mental image you may have with the fears that linger in your mind. We

basically fear of the unknown. Once we separate (AP) we tend to leave behind our

primitive thoughts of fear, I know, I have them too. You can do it.

In the daytime we feel more confident, more at peace. In our minds, evil doesn't

truly exist in the light. At least that's how we think, for the most part. When

you get used to the AP in the daytime, you will eventually be comfortable at

night.

I hope this helps!

 

Lisa

 

---- Deb111222 wrote:

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> In a message dated 7/31/2006 3:14:43 AM GMT Standard Time,

> dallyup52 writes:

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> I don't really understand what you are asking here.

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> I guess I am still trying to figure out how to completely eliminate

> those fears that creep up when trying to astral project. Fears of the

> possibility of having an unpleasant experience. The kind that Robert Bruce

talks

> about, that he feels we need " protection " from.

>

> Deb

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