Fear, Protection, Densities, Etc.

July 31, 2006

Wow - thank you all so much for your responses! I don't know where to start!

Sam - I find your posts to be so comforting in nature and I so very

much appreciate your compassionate approach. I agree there are simple answers,

but not easy answers. I call it " knowing it intellectually " vs. " feeling it

emotionally. " I have given a lot of thought to what you said about the fears

being there for a reason. And I agree, it is a guidance system. But

sometimes I think the guidance system can go astray when irrational fears have

developed. Not trying to say that I don't agree that emotions are a guidance

system, but only trying to show how sometimes, this " guidance system " can be

confusing to some people, as follows:

This can happen in dysfunctional families when, for example, a child

may not have done something wrong, but a parent comes home angry about

something else and takes it out on the child. Or the reverse - a child may

have done

something worthy of discipline, but the parent comes home a happy drunk and

just laughs at the misbehavior. This is a general statement meant to

illustrate how irrational fears can develop. Fear of things that may happen

(based

on past experience) which have nothing to do with reason. So the guidance

system goes haywire. I have a feeling Stephen can relate to this. The

forgiveness is done. The emotional after-effects are not as easy to be done

with.

So, I am wondering what the reason could be for fears like that - fear

of a threat when in fact, there is no reason to feel threatened. But

experience has taught you that there doesn't need to be a reason. Sometimes

the

threat is unexpected. Perhaps the reason is to reach for spiritual

explanations

and spiritual experiences, where one can rise above the illusion that one

can be harmed at all.

And Mike - I definitely agree that worrying about the possibility of

negative encounters will surely increase the likelihood of this type of

experience. And definitely to stay away from literature that might encourage

that!

You understand where I am coming from on that and I understand that you are

trying to help and support me and I appreciate that very much.

Lisa - I very much appreciate the encouragement and do plan to try

astral projection during the daylight hours. This will only work for me on the

weekends, and on a weekend when there aren't too many other things going on.

So, I am looking forward to getting a hold of a weekend like that! Thanks

for explaining to me that these fears are " left behind " during an astral

travel. I believe I have read that in an OBE book somewhere, and needed the

reminder. Pointing this out really helps. Thinking that perhaps I can leave

the

fears behind makes me ready to just jump right in there! LOL! So, I will

keep that in mind!

Elektra - it is a challenge for me to come to really believe that

nothing can harm me because I have not yet reached the spiritual experience of

knowing otherwise. Although, I have reached the intellectual understanding. I

do feel that this is true of the astral encounters. But I have had quite a

few experiences of being " touched " during meditation, which in a way,

increased my fear of what to expect in the astral world. This is something

that I am

trying to get past by allowing the experience of astral touch and learning

to stay calm with it. Following are some examples:

Once I meditated on feeling Jesus' hands on my hands, and later that

night I felt a hand on my arm. Another time, right after my dachshund died, I

felt him at the foot of my bed snuggling up next to my feet. Another time, I

woke from a dream where I was holding a child named Gabriel, and felt his

arms around my neck. So, those things were not scary, looking back on them,

but startled me at the time. Another time when listening to a Sylvia Browne

CD, I felt and heard a bird fly right over my head, and felt its wings and felt

it's claws scrape the top of my head. Now, that was scary! And the latest

has been a feeling of waviness across my legs - like the covers were moving

or something was moving them. Not sure what that was! But you get the idea.

I think I am a little bit worried about crossing over into the astral world

and being bombarded with people (or whatever) touching me! Maybe I should

meditate on the intention of " Don't touch me! I just want to look and listen. "

LOL!

Chrism - you pointed out that the density or frequency of a person is

governed by how and what they are thinking or feeling and the overall

experience

that they are having in this body on Earth. I think this could be part of my

problem - I have come to expect the unexpected, based on my experiences here

on Earth. It is difficult to explain. It is very comforting to know that

input and guidance from the Higher Self and interested helpers will have an

effect! That is exactly what I wish to experience. This thought is also a

tremendous help in easing my fears. But if I had my " conscious " choice about

it,

it would not be to learn through fear as I have undoubtedly been doing. It

must be a subconscius " hurdle " as you say, that I need to overcome. But the

good news is - I am getting closer and closer all the time.

I hope this post doesn't sound too dreary because that is not my

intention at all. I am just trying to explain the reasons and experiences that

caused the fears the best way I know how. These posts today have helped me so

much more than I can ever express. Thanks so much to all of you! I'll try to

steer away from the fear topics from now on. It just happens to be the main

thing that I am currently working on - attempting to " do away with it " and

move on to the good stuff! I hope I was able to shed some light on where I am

coming from.

Deb

August 1, 2006

So, I am wondering what the reason could be for fears like that -

fear

> of a threat when in fact, there is no reason to feel threatened.

But

> experience has taught you that there doesn't need to be a

reason. Sometimes the

> threat is unexpected.

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I hope it is ok to interject an opinion here Deb.

Irrational fears are basically at the core, fears of the unknown. A

fear of not knowing what to expect. And this ties in very well with

astral travel and some of the Kundalini phenomena. You will not be

able to know or to expect or to be able to plot a course without

experience.

In your uniqueness you will have to face the issues that are yours

to face and whether or not the emotional body will guide

you " rationally " or in a way that is comparable to your physical

existence you will just have to trust and be ok with stepping into

the unknown, if you want to go to the places that astral projection

can take you, and you have had a taste or two of this so you

understand some of the possibilities.

As you are recieving a shaktipat from the scatterfield, you may

experience a slight amplification of your fears. Please trust your

inner strength and inner guidance here. Fear is a blockage of the

first chakra so please focus on the ways you can relieve yourself of

this issue in real time. Day time projecting may be the answer for

you -

August 1, 2006

Deb,

Please don't steer away from where you are. Fear is such an important

topic, emotion, and guide. Not to mention how strong it can be. I

think that many here can relate to this.

You have great courage.

BlessU

Sam

, Deb111222 wrote:

>

> Wow - thank you all so much for your responses! I don't know where

>to start!

>I'll try to

> steer away from the fear topics from now on. It just happens to be

the main

> thing that I am currently working on - attempting to " do away with

it " and

> move on to the good stuff! I hope I was able to shed some light on

>

> Deb

>

August 1, 2006

Thanks - yes, I would say that I definitely have a fear of the

unknown, or kind of a " what next? " sometimes overly cautious approach.

I definitely do want to be able to overcome this and step into the

unknown and go the places that astral projection can take me. And yes, I have

had a taste or two of this. I don't plan on giving up by any means. Sometimes

when I break through my comfort zone, I just have to back off a little from

time to time until I get my courage back up again. Then, I go for it again

and get results which just keeps me coming back for more. I can't think of a

more interesting journey. It is so much more of a real experience than all

of the other pathways I have explored in the past.

And Sam, thank you once again for your kind words and for giving me a

new and better way of perceiving myself. Courage - I like that! Kind of like

that cowardly lion, huh? Always looking for courage when I had it all of

the time! Thanks for pointing that out. I needed to hear that.

I'll let you guys know whenever I learn of any more interesting

insights or have any more non-worldly experiences to report!

Deb

August 3, 2006

Stephen, my friend, I have grown quite fond of you! You are so genuine and

sincere! And I believe every word you say! I know you speak the truth, as

bizarre as the truth really is! LOL! (As I am finding out.)

I am becoming more comfortable with the " touch " thing. It just shocked

me at first. I never would have thought in a million years! But, now I

know. (smile)

I am ready, but in my own time when I am in the right frame of mind.

This week has been no-go because, well let's just say, " Some family members

are driving me crazy! " I have been too annoyed. (Being honest.) But, it will

pass as it always does. And then I will be in the right frame of mind to

experiment some more. And yes, Chrism, I will work on those forgivenesses!

My husband and I are going out of town for the weekend for our

anniversary, so that will help. To get away from the " Big Fat Greek Wedding "

and

" Home for the Holidays " and " Merry Christmas Vacation " relatives. If you've

ever seen those movies, you will surely take pity on me.

Will say " Howdy " soon! I will stop knocking on the door and then

chasing them away. (Guilty!)

By the way, what is J J J ???? (I can't imagine!) That just keeps

going right over my head!

Deb

August 3, 2006

Well Deb,

I've said this to others.I'll say it to you.

In my years of astral and psychic exploration (nearly 53) I have had many

unusual and maybe even a few bizarre experiences.

I have seen-touched and been touched by " entities " through the years.

I even got into a fight with some 'living impaired individuals' when I spent the

night at my haunted martial arts school. I knew these people in life

They were my neighbors. They were unfortunate souls who lived a life of hatred

and misery: fueled by drugs, alcohol and unfortunately--lower than normal

I.Q.'s.

The fight was physical, I was asleep when it started but awake before it

finished. Afterwards I apologized to them for participating in this dishonorable

behavior! I replaced my anger with compassion and weeks later they later

returned in a much nicer state. I like to think my change of heart --helped

change their eternal hearts.

Also-

When I was in my 20's I was very lonesome and a nice female entity came and

" comforted " me for about an hour (I didn't complain).

She was quite beautiful, and I was very awake! J

The touching and things have always been a " WOW! COOL! " experience for me. Mybe

I seem a little bold (crazy?) for feeling this way. But, I am honored to be

allowed these brief " entries " into the " other realms " .

Mind you, I'm in no hurry to enter these realms permanently, that time will be

here soon enough for us all!

I guess I'm saying; if you are ready for this adventure; enter it with Love and

compassion (as the others here stated). If you aren't, make it known to " them " .

Plus, your mind/soul has some special protective devices of its own.

Just don't go knocking on " their " door and then chase them away when they

answer! That is very frustrating for them! They are most likely from a place of

extended knowledge, and they will share what they know if you let them!

I have been honored with " crossing the gateway " a few times. I am eternally

grateful to those responsible. The times I was there and wide awake are very

special to me. There was no need of " confirmation " .

You are a spirit of Love and Compassion. With your respect and dignity that

obviously overflows from your soul.Go ahead if you want.say " Howdy " .

Enjoy!

J J J

Many Blessings!

Your Friend,

Stephen

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Deb111222

Monday, July 31, 2006 11:21 PM