Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Hi Sel, I think the dark night of the soul is the final journey of the ego as it struggles to keep hold of it's control, until, finally, realising it's futility, it gives up. Nothingness creaps in, until finally bliss fills the void. I'm not sure if everyone goes through it, is more of an expert then me I'm sure he can tell you more much love Elektra x x x _________ Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 It is what you make of it and is a c`hallenging state of affairs if you become depressed then that is your choice. Please forget about anything other than what we discussed over the phone there should be nothing else for you but that. No more butterfly curiosities for you Selena get to work! - lol- chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Thanks for the info, Elektra: what you say makes a lot of sense. Chris: I am already putting in quite a bit of work--please don't deny me the pleasure of trying to figure out what on earth it is that I am dealing with ;-) Sel , chrism <> wrote: > > It is what you make of it and is a c`hallenging state of affairs if you become depressed then that is your choice. Please forget about anything other than what we discussed over the phone there should be nothing else for you but that. No more butterfly curiosities for you Selena get to work! - lol- chrism > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I will not deny you anything. Nor will I contribute to a habit that could be unhealthy for you at this moment. There is a time and a place. Right now you know where I feel your focus should be. I strongly feel this, and if you wish to ignore it, or spend time on other interests, then that is your choice and you will own the ramifications of that choice - c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 This is only my take on it Selena. If you are being pulled by your own inner guidance then go with that. I am only writing on what I will and will not do regarding the situation. - peace - c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 I just saw this about dark night of the soul this is what I am going through for sure my EGO has been after this guy who doesn't want me, insists that he does, even dillusions. it doesn't help that at the beginning of all this I was guided to this man and channeled a bunch of buddha stuff before I knew what it was, and it was for him to here, and he is really attractive and I had visions about him that were very sexual and saw his eyes glowing with light a few times and was totally in love with him after that. I think my ego finally gave up yesterday, I am very pained by the experience and sad about what I did to him and also for the feeling of loss at losing that fantasy , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > Hi Sel, > > I think the dark night of the soul is the final > journey of the ego as it struggles to keep hold of > it's control, until, finally, realising it's futility, > it gives up. > Nothingness creaps in, > until finally bliss fills the void. > I'm not sure if everyone goes through it, is > more of an expert then me I'm sure he can tell you > more > > much love Elektra x x x > _________ > Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http:// uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Two things come to my mind: 1. When the K opens the second chakra, this can determine a dramatic increase in sexual desire. Things will get back to normal as the K progresses. 2. Channeling is a very, very tricky thing. A lot of people enjoy it because it gives them a sense of security and power--however, the lower astral is full of false friends who will please our egos to get what they want from us. I'd say: let go of the " buddhas " and the channeling altogether till you are out of the woods. These entities have baited you to feed on your sexual energy and your obsession. To soothe your pain, create a purification ritual for yourself, give yourself a good healing, ask the higher powers for forgiveness, and express your gratitude for being rid of this attachment. Most importantly: forgive yourself, and move on. Sel , " mandreastewart " <mandreastewart wrote: > > I just saw this about dark night of the soul > > this is what I am going through for sure > > my EGO has been after this guy who doesn't want me, insists that he does, even dillusions. > it doesn't help that at the beginning of all this I was guided to this man and channeled a > bunch of buddha stuff before I knew what it was, and it was for him to here, and he is > really attractive and I had visions about him that were very sexual and saw his eyes > glowing with light a few times and was totally in love with him after that. I think my ego > finally gave up yesterday, I am very pained by the experience and sad about what I did to > him and also for the feeling of loss at losing that fantasy > > > > , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Sel, > > > > I think the dark night of the soul is the final > > journey of the ego as it struggles to keep hold of > > it's control, until, finally, realising it's futility, > > it gives up. > > Nothingness creaps in, > > until finally bliss fills the void. > > I'm not sure if everyone goes through it, is > > more of an expert then me I'm sure he can tell you > > more > > > > much love Elektra x x x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________ > > Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http:// > uk.messenger. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Sel thank you very much for this. it's very helpful. m , " selena230 " <selena230 wrote: > > Two things come to my mind: > > 1. When the K opens the second chakra, this can determine a dramatic > increase in sexual desire. Things will get back to normal as the K > progresses. > > 2. Channeling is a very, very tricky thing. A lot of people enjoy it > because it gives them a sense of security and power--however, the > lower astral is full of false friends who will please our egos to get > what they want from us. I'd say: let go of the " buddhas " and the > channeling altogether till you are out of the woods. These entities > have baited you to feed on your sexual energy and your obsession. > > To soothe your pain, create a purification ritual for yourself, give > yourself a good healing, ask the higher powers for forgiveness, and > express your gratitude for being rid of this attachment. > > Most importantly: forgive yourself, and move on. > > Sel > > > , " mandreastewart " > <mandreastewart@> wrote: > > > > I just saw this about dark night of the soul > > > > this is what I am going through for sure > > > > my EGO has been after this guy who doesn't want me, insists that he > does, even dillusions. > > it doesn't help that at the beginning of all this I was guided to > this man and channeled a > > bunch of buddha stuff before I knew what it was, and it was for him > to here, and he is > > really attractive and I had visions about him that were very sexual > and saw his eyes > > glowing with light a few times and was totally in love with him > after that. I think my ego > > finally gave up yesterday, I am very pained by the experience and > sad about what I did to > > him and also for the feeling of loss at losing that fantasy > > > > > > > > , Elektra Fire > <elektra.fire@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sel, > > > > > > I think the dark night of the soul is the final > > > journey of the ego as it struggles to keep hold of > > > it's control, until, finally, realising it's futility, > > > it gives up. > > > Nothingness creaps in, > > > until finally bliss fills the void. > > > I'm not sure if everyone goes through it, is > > > more of an expert then me I'm sure he can tell you > > > more > > > > > > much love Elektra x x x > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________ > > > Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide > with voicemail http:// > > uk.messenger. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 , " mandreastewart " <mandreastewart wrote: > > I just saw this about dark night of the soul > > this is what I am going through for sure The Christian saint, John of the Cross, first coined the term dark night of the soul (hereafter referred to as DNS), in a bit of mystic treatise, a translation of which is available here with commentary: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/john_cross/dark_night.txt he talks first about the 'lesser' or common " Dark Night of the Soul " , which afflicts the body and senses: here are a few excerpts: 3. Since, then, the conduct of these beginners upon the way of God is ignoble, and has much to do with their love of self and their own inclinations, as has been explained above, God desires to lead them farther. He seeks to bring them out of that ignoble kind of love to a higher degree of love for Him, to free them from the ignoble exercises of sense and meditation (wherewith, as we have said, they go seeking God so unworthily and in so many ways that are unbefitting), and to lead them to a kind of spiritual exercise wherein they can commune with Him more abundantly and are freed more completely from imperfections .... And thus He leaves them so completely in the dark that they know not whither to go with their sensible imagination and meditation; for they cannot advance a step in meditation, as they were wont to do afore time, their inward senses being submerged in this night, and left with such dryness that not only do they experience no pleasure and consolation in the spiritual things and good exercises wherein they were wont to find their delights and pleasures, but instead, on the contrary, they find insipidity and bitterness in the said things. the author later gives several signs by which this condition can be recognized: " The first is whether, when a soul finds no pleasure or consolation in the things of God, it also fails to find it in any thing created; for, as God sets the soul in this dark night to the end that He may quench and purge its sensual desire, He allows it not to find attraction or sweetness in anything whatsoever. " " The second sign whereby a man may believe himself to be experiencing the said purgation is that the memory is ordinarily centred upon God, with painful care and solicitude, thinking that it is not serving God, but is backsliding, because it finds itself without sweetness in the things of God. " " The third sign whereby this purgation of sense may be recognized is that the soul can no longer meditate or reflect in the imaginative sphere of sense as it was wont, however much it may of itself endeavour to do so. " -brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Hello Mandrea, This is not a Dark Night of the Soul experience this is a second chakra being infused with Kundalini experience. Its quite common and yes it is intense. Have no shame for your actions and be thankful you have been able to keep it so clean. I posted this one or two days before your arrival oh and " Welcome! " Your shame isn't warranted and is only a by product of what most would and have felt, including myself, in similar scenarios. It was difficult for me as well and is why I posted that warning to the group. What Selena has said also applies. Note that by sexual desire one must include all aspects of desire not just pertaining to the physical. - please see below Extreme sexual desire and the and the GFA This is a common response to Kundalini infusion into the second chakra. Be careful and do not get yourself into trouble. You may find yourself lusting in ways that are not normal for you. Just go with it and try to keep it healthy. You may feel a pulling in the genital areas. For men it is as if a chord is being pulled inside the scrotum that ascends up into the meridians and into the spine. For women the pulling is located in the area between the ovaries. This is the Genital Fluidic Ascendance. Not everyone has this. Gopi Krishna did and if you have read his account he goes into it. I have it and it doesn't hurt but it is quite umm noticeable! I have observed over the years that martial artists may not experience this but it certainly isn't out of possibility for them. Often the system they are in just does not recognize this aspect. This is a conditioning agent for the infusion and expansion of Kundalini. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Yes Brian, Right on Target for the DNS. Many also would experience not only activation into the Kundalini but the DNS as they were being tortured. As is happenng today. This is more of a dross burner though imho, clearing the way for the next incarnation if survival isnt attained with consciousness intact. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 John of the Cross also talks about a second, and much rarer according to him, DNS, which is an 'affliction' of a spiritual nature. by which we mean the absence of emotion, imagination, and of reason; indeed consciousness void of all these, the which is entry into contemplation proper and wherein knowledge must come directly rather than through the familiar mediums upon which we have previously relied. this could indeed bring thoughts of annihilation, that there be no longer any interference or barrier between human and godhead. after all, the soul, though immortal, still exists through and by space and time, and perishes when they do. an event witnessed as apocalypse. I had not considered the 'torture' aspect you mentioned - intriguing. There is an interesting symbology in the age-old Inquisitorial practice of burning at the stake - not surprisingly given that most of these methods were probably chosen very deliberately after genuine rituals of the initiates (probably by those who failed their own tests and became jealous and eventually vindictive) -brian , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Yes Brian, > Right on Target for the DNS. Many also would experience > not only activation into the Kundalini but the DNS as they were being > tortured. As is happenng today. This is more of a dross burner though > imho, clearing the way for the next incarnation if survival isnt > attained with consciousness intact. - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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