Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear Fellows In our universe there are cycles within cycles within.............................................. Whenever this universe was created so many milli seconds before time, (so the astronomers claim) I don't believe it was the beginning but rather a return from pralaya, in Christian theosophy Jehovah is the first and the last there for Jehovah is the static state of the universe within its cycles. It is the breath held in as in nadi sodan pranyama. They say as it is within so it is without: this universal incarnation is one breath of many. though on every breath the universe as well as all the subjective entities and elements trap in the presence of space and time move forward with it, yet all return to praylaya between/beyond space and time as we at this moment know it to be. My imagination tells me that every thing is evolving though I do not believe this is always the case regarding the deva life forms as it has been suggested to me many of them are on the retrograde evolutution these are said to be harmful to humans though they are having increasingly lesser effect. the lesser effect they have the greater potential of humanity to grow. when the heart centre is compleatly open and man is mentaly polarised thes anti evolutionary devas have little or no effect. At this stage mankind will be beyond fear and guilt and they can begin to understand creative thought and with there higher centres working will begin to will existence in to co operating in harmony. Now the question is where do we come from. my answer is the universe. as far as I am able to theorize about it in an attempt to understand it as from just an fragment of an atomic particle of it, seeking years of advice reading scriptures mediating and reflecting on the path of arohan and arwoahan, visualising the expansion and contraction of prana witnessing the process of the natural breathing process. I believe by subjective deductions; this is not the first time the universe has manifested itself. So as we are a part of the universe we will continue to be manifested along with it. For as long as it chooses to manifest itself. WE are as we are, are insignificant. We with our grand illusionary egos believe we are so important. Well in the scheme of things to come yes indeed we are, though at the moment we cannot possibly generate an original creative thought of our own and our importance is to have no effect on the universe. it is we that rely on the universe for everything yet for so many of us we refuse to see it presence for we are lock in the presence of our own false premise of legendary minds. We even kid ourselves into believing that the brain is the mind, yet we do not consider a radio recover as intelligence. A computer is said to be intelligent, yet it only functions to protocols installed into it, an atom on the same basis has intelligence, it has electro magnetic functions that can be programmed thus can be effected by thought. the human mind is different and it is different because of experience, it can harmonise with experience and though harmonising with experience is able to cognise, and in co gnosis it can tune into the mind of the universe, and in tuning into the mind of the universe it can go beyond space and time, and if and when it does can developed back to the origin of thought. it might seem to you that I believe that though is all that exists though I do not perceive it that way because it is the boundaries of my understanding as yet, that is all. What is beyond thought I do not know. John M On Behalf Of sarceto Monday, 18 September 2006 3:23 AM Re: Reincarnation Perhaps the impulse to create Namaste A. HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com, " Kousik " <r_koushik2003@-...> wrote: > > That was just an example john . I know vedic astrology ..and > according to that ..most of our current life depends upon our past > lives ..they say ..there's something called nadi astrology ..which is > very precise ..and they hold the same opinion..In the beginning , > there was no action ..so what decided our first incarnation ? > > Peace, > Koushik. > > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com, " John > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > I cerate's, everything out of Its self. I and self is inseparable > till > > duality is born. Karma is in its (this) reflection. > > Karma is not an identity until it is given one and when it has an > > identity it reflects symmetry in a cyclic spiralling motion. > > Everything is thus the reflection of the original cause. > > > > May I ask you a question how long is the life time your referring > to? I > > wonder, do you refer to hourly change of the breath flowing in and > out > > of the nostrils a life of a physical human incarnation or the time > it > > takes for the universe to turn one revolution on its 360 degree > motion. > > I wonder's how you feel that you might have become aware of human > > experience just after an evolutionary period 12 or 13 lives. > > John M > > > > PS: :-) They also says that 13 is unlucky. Don't believe they, > after > > all it may be within this life time you may have met I. > > > > PSS: ROFL I awaits karmic substance in the reflection of your reply > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > > [HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com] On Behalf Of > > Kousik > > Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:28 PM > > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > > [Kundalini-Awakenin-g-Systems--1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > Sow / Reap ..they say ...our karma decides everything ..or atleast > > say mostly . What decides our first incarnation ? > > > > I'm koushik ..assume that i've had 12 past lives ..11th one decides > > 12th..10 th decides 11th ...what decides 1st ? ...i have never done > > any karma or action ..not even thought ..if there's > > reincarnation ..what decides our first incarnation? > > > > Peace, > > Koushik > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1% 40.-com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@, Dharma Wayfarer > > <dharmawayfarer@-> wrote: > > > > > > My subjective experience is that I have been shown or have been > > given to know of a number of different lives previous to this one, > > threads of lucid dreams, visions in meditations, and straight > > knowingnesses, that have 'proved' as such using applied kinesiology > > (now whether one s to the utility of this form of > divination > > is entirely another matter). For example, using 'AK' ... it is > > purported that one can ask, for example, what is the 'average' > number > > of human rebirths for the average 'human being' ... and likely come > > up with something in the area of 12-14. (many have had far fewer, > and > > progressively fewer have had many times that) If one is interested > > in this form of inquiry, one might read some of David R. Hawkins' > > work. I have found the method of inquiry quite, umm, efficacious, > > particularly when done rigourously (e.g. double blind testing) with > a > > very k-awake (as in full pipes open) partner. Hawkins' use of AK is > > controversial, as he has led the potential > > > for inquiry not only in to that which has past (e.g. past lives), > > but potentially more usefully, in asking questions about that which > > is, including 'levels of consciousness'--, and as a way to > > discern 'truth' from 'falsehood'. Again, I've tested it rigorously > > with a k-awake friend, and it gets verrrrrry interesting, in terms > of > > Mind accessing Universal Mind, Akashic Records, and such, but > always > > with one's intention first being established/--grounded in 'for the > > benefit of understanding, for others' and with 'permission' being > > asked first, and granted by the 'oracle' > > > > > > Metta. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 We come from God or the " All that Is " . Only through the process of polishing off the rough surface does the rock become a gem. Sometimes I feel the Deva's job is to harass humanity into the areas of growth that will establish a greater education and hence evolution. - just my take on a piece of your piece. - blessings John - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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