Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear John M, Thanks for your excellent and cosmic post. It raises a question... Should we seek to evolve ourselves and ascend to higher spritual states, ie become devas, or should we seek an end to our existence in the manner of Buddhism, as if we evolve and ascend, inevitably we will have to devolve and descend ( you mentioned retrograde evolution)? Blessings and love James , " John Mathieson " <jaganath wrote: > > Dear Fellows > In our universe there are cycles within cycles > within.............................................. > Whenever this universe was created so many milli seconds before time, > (so the astronomers claim) I don't believe it was the beginning but > rather a return from pralaya, in Christian theosophy Jehovah is the > first and the last there for Jehovah is the static state of the universe > within its cycles. It is the breath held in as in nadi sodan pranyama. > > They say as it is within so it is without: this universal incarnation is > one breath of many. though on every breath the universe as well as all > the subjective entities and elements trap in the presence of space and > time move forward with it, yet all return to praylaya between/beyond > space and time as we at this moment know it to be. > > My imagination tells me that every thing is evolving though I do not > believe this is always the case regarding the deva life forms as it has > been suggested to me many of them are on the retrograde evolutution > these are said to be harmful to humans though they are having > increasingly lesser effect. the lesser effect they have the greater > potential of humanity to grow. when the heart centre is compleatly open > and man is mentaly polarised thes anti evolutionary devas have little or > no effect. At this stage mankind will be beyond fear and guilt and they > can begin to understand creative thought and with there higher centres > working will begin to will existence in to co operating in harmony. > > Now the question is where do we come from. my answer is the universe. as > far as I am able to theorize about it in an attempt to understand it as > from just an fragment of an atomic particle of it, seeking years of > advice reading scriptures mediating and reflecting on the path of arohan > and arwoahan, visualising the expansion and contraction of prana > witnessing the process of the natural breathing process. I believe by > subjective deductions; this is not the first time the universe has > manifested itself. > So as we are a part of the universe we will continue to be manifested > along with it. For as long as it chooses to manifest itself. > > WE are as we are, are insignificant. We with our grand illusionary egos > believe we are so important. > Well in the scheme of things to come yes indeed we are, though at the > moment we cannot possibly generate an original creative thought of our > own and our importance is to have no effect on the universe. it is we > that rely on the universe for everything yet for so many of us we refuse > to see it presence for we are lock in the presence of our own false > premise of legendary minds. > > We even kid ourselves into believing that the brain is the mind, yet we > do not consider a radio recover as intelligence. > A computer is said to be intelligent, yet it only functions to protocols > installed into it, an atom on the same basis has intelligence, it has > electro magnetic functions that can be programmed thus can be effected > by thought. > > the human mind is different and it is different because of experience, > it can harmonise with experience and though harmonising with experience > is able to cognise, and in co gnosis it can tune into the mind of the > universe, and in tuning into the mind of the universe it can go beyond > space and time, and if and when it does can developed back to the origin > of thought. > it might seem to you that I believe that though is all that exists > though I do not perceive it that way because it is the boundaries of my > understanding as yet, that is all. What is beyond thought I do not know. > John M > > > > On Behalf Of > sarceto > Monday, 18 September 2006 3:23 AM > > Re: Reincarnation > > > > Perhaps the impulse to create > > Namaste > A. > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1, " Kousik " > <r_koushik2003@> wrote: > > > > That was just an example john . I know vedic astrology ..and > > according to that ..most of our current life depends upon our past > > lives ..they say ..there's something called nadi astrology ..which > is > > very precise ..and they hold the same opinion..In the beginning , > > there was no action ..so what decided our first incarnation ? > > > > Peace, > > Koushik. > > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1, " John > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > I cerate's, everything out of Its self. I and self is > inseparable > > till > > > duality is born. Karma is in its (this) reflection. > > > Karma is not an identity until it is given one and when it has an > > > identity it reflects symmetry in a cyclic spiralling motion. > > > Everything is thus the reflection of the original cause. > > > > > > May I ask you a question how long is the life time your > referring > > to? I > > > wonder, do you refer to hourly change of the breath flowing in > and > > out > > > of the nostrils a life of a physical human incarnation or the > time > > it > > > takes for the universe to turn one revolution on its 360 degree > > motion. > > > I wonder's how you feel that you might have become aware of human > > > experience just after an evolutionary period 12 or 13 lives. > > > John M > > > > > > PS: :-) They also says that 13 is unlucky. Don't believe they, > > after > > > all it may be within this life time you may have met I. > > > > > > PSS: ROFL I awaits karmic substance in the reflection of your > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1 > > > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1] On Behalf > Of > > > Kousik > > > Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:28 PM > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1 > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin-g-Systems--1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > Sow / Reap ..they say ...our karma decides everything ..or > atleast > > > say mostly . What decides our first incarnation ? > > > > > > I'm koushik ..assume that i've had 12 past lives ..11th one > decides > > > 12th..10 th decides 11th ...what decides 1st ? ...i have never > done > > > any karma or action ..not even thought ..if there's > > > reincarnation ..what decides our first incarnation? > > > > > > Peace, > > > Koushik > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1% > 40.-com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems---1@, Dharma Wayfarer > > > <dharmawayfarer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My subjective experience is that I have been shown or have > been > > > given to know of a number of different lives previous to this > one, > > > threads of lucid dreams, visions in meditations, and straight > > > knowingnesses, that have 'proved' as such using applied > kinesiology > > > (now whether one s to the utility of this form of > > divination > > > is entirely another matter). For example, using 'AK' ... it is > > > purported that one can ask, for example, what is the 'average' > > number > > > of human rebirths for the average 'human being' ... and likely > come > > > up with something in the area of 12-14. (many have had far > fewer, > > and > > > progressively fewer have had many times that) If one is > interested > > > in this form of inquiry, one might read some of David R. > Hawkins' > > > work. I have found the method of inquiry quite, umm, > efficacious, > > > particularly when done rigourously (e.g. double blind testing) > with > > a > > > very k-awake (as in full pipes open) partner. Hawkins' use of AK > is > > > controversial, as he has led the potential > > > > for inquiry not only in to that which has past (e.g. past > lives), > > > but potentially more usefully, in asking questions about that > which > > > is, including 'levels of consciousness'--, and as a way to > > > discern 'truth' from 'falsehood'. Again, I've tested it > rigorously > > > with a k-awake friend, and it gets verrrrrry interesting, in > terms > > of > > > Mind accessing Universal Mind, Akashic Records, and such, but > > always > > > with one's intention first being established/--grounded in 'for > the > > > benefit of understanding, for others' and with 'permission' > being > > > asked first, and granted by the 'oracle' > > > > > > > > Metta. > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear Chris As I do not understand anything beyond thought my only though in regarding god is that it is the essence and in as much cannot be be separate from it. As far as the devic lives what I understand there are some that aid and some that do not. I believe this differs in there own evolving principles. In that there seems to be a thought that the direction towards god is from where we have come rather than where we are going. This is sometimes appropriated by Christian belief when the tell that Adam was perfect in the garden of Eden and that it was the serpent that that deluded him towards the understanding of the knowledge of opposites. John M On Behalf Of chrism Tuesday, 19 September 2006 9:11 AM RE: Re: Reincarnation the essence of thought We come from God or the " All that Is " . Only through the process of polishing off the rough surface does the rock become a gem. Sometimes I feel the Deva's job is to harass humanity into the areas of growth that will establish a greater education and hence evolution. - just my take on a piece of your piece. - blessings John - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear James My position on devas is that human evolution is far above them, they are are a kingdom in there own right with there own purposes. Devas long for human expression and in return of physical existence humans accommodate them, one example of deva existence is alcoholic beverages and its effects on the human brain, divas are also the basis of healing within the homeopathic remedies, divas are in as much programs induced by thought racing to be expressed. I have read that devas can become human by following the existence though the animal kingdom most particularly the bird kingdom how ever I do not understand this theory. ( though it reminds me of when I was in trouble of being a young boy and asking how did you find out and I was left with the reply a little bird told me. :-( I don't know what you mean about the Buddhist theory that seeks extinction. My thought is if we are just a particle of the universe extinction is impossible, how ever if you are on topic of material anhilal ation that will will come in its own time when we no longer need a physical apparatuses to ensure the understanding of the universe. Then yes when we no longer need this body other existences will come about. John M. On Behalf Of James Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:32 AM Re: Reincarnation the essence of thought Dear John M, Thanks for your excellent and cosmic post. It raises a question... Should we seek to evolve ourselves and ascend to higher spritual states, ie become devas, or should we seek an end to our existence in the manner of Buddhism, as if we evolve and ascend, inevitably we will have to devolve and descend ( you mentioned retrograde evolution)? Blessings and love James HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com, " John Mathieson " <jaganath@..-.> wrote: > > Dear Fellows > In our universe there are cycles within cycles > within......-.........-.........-.........-.........-.... > Whenever this universe was created so many milli seconds before time, > (so the astronomers claim) I don't believe it was the beginning but > rather a return from pralaya, in Christian theosophy Jehovah is the > first and the last there for Jehovah is the static state of the universe > within its cycles. It is the breath held in as in nadi sodan pranyama. > > They say as it is within so it is without: this universal incarnation is > one breath of many. though on every breath the universe as well as all > the subjective entities and elements trap in the presence of space and > time move forward with it, yet all return to praylaya between/beyond > space and time as we at this moment know it to be. > > My imagination tells me that every thing is evolving though I do not > believe this is always the case regarding the deva life forms as it has > been suggested to me many of them are on the retrograde evolutution > these are said to be harmful to humans though they are having > increasingly lesser effect. the lesser effect they have the greater > potential of humanity to grow. when the heart centre is compleatly open > and man is mentaly polarised thes anti evolutionary devas have little or > no effect. At this stage mankind will be beyond fear and guilt and they > can begin to understand creative thought and with there higher centres > working will begin to will existence in to co operating in harmony. > > Now the question is where do we come from. my answer is the universe. as > far as I am able to theorize about it in an attempt to understand it as > from just an fragment of an atomic particle of it, seeking years of > advice reading scriptures mediating and reflecting on the path of arohan > and arwoahan, visualising the expansion and contraction of prana > witnessing the process of the natural breathing process. I believe by > subjective deductions; this is not the first time the universe has > manifested itself. > So as we are a part of the universe we will continue to be manifested > along with it. For as long as it chooses to manifest itself. > > WE are as we are, are insignificant. We with our grand illusionary egos > believe we are so important. > Well in the scheme of things to come yes indeed we are, though at the > moment we cannot possibly generate an original creative thought of our > own and our importance is to have no effect on the universe. it is we > that rely on the universe for everything yet for so many of us we refuse > to see it presence for we are lock in the presence of our own false > premise of legendary minds. > > We even kid ourselves into believing that the brain is the mind, yet we > do not consider a radio recover as intelligence. > A computer is said to be intelligent, yet it only functions to protocols > installed into it, an atom on the same basis has intelligence, it has > electro magnetic functions that can be programmed thus can be effected > by thought. > > the human mind is different and it is different because of experience, > it can harmonise with experience and though harmonising with experience > is able to cognise, and in co gnosis it can tune into the mind of the > universe, and in tuning into the mind of the universe it can go beyond > space and time, and if and when it does can developed back to the origin > of thought. > it might seem to you that I believe that though is all that exists > though I do not perceive it that way because it is the boundaries of my > understanding as yet, that is all. What is beyond thought I do not know. > John M > > > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > [HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com] On Behalf Of > sarceto > Monday, 18 September 2006 3:23 AM > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > [Kundalini-Awakenin-g-Systems--1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > Perhaps the impulse to create > > Namaste > A. > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1, " Kousik " > <r_koushik2003@-> wrote: > > > > That was just an example john . I know vedic astrology ..and > > according to that ..most of our current life depends upon our past > > lives ..they say ..there's something called nadi astrology ..which > is > > very precise ..and they hold the same opinion..In the beginning , > > there was no action ..so what decided our first incarnation ? > > > > Peace, > > Koushik. > > > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1, " John > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > I cerate's, everything out of Its self. I and self is > inseparable > > till > > > duality is born. Karma is in its (this) reflection. > > > Karma is not an identity until it is given one and when it has an > > > identity it reflects symmetry in a cyclic spiralling motion. > > > Everything is thus the reflection of the original cause. > > > > > > May I ask you a question how long is the life time your > referring > > to? I > > > wonder, do you refer to hourly change of the breath flowing in > and > > out > > > of the nostrils a life of a physical human incarnation or the > time > > it > > > takes for the universe to turn one revolution on its 360 degree > > motion. > > > I wonder's how you feel that you might have become aware of human > > > experience just after an evolutionary period 12 or 13 lives. > > > John M > > > > > > PS: :-) They also says that 13 is unlucky. Don't believe they, > > after > > > all it may be within this life time you may have met I. > > > > > > PSS: ROFL I awaits karmic substance in the reflection of your > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1 > > > [HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1] On Behalf > Of > > > Kousik > > > Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:28 PM > > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1 > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin--g-Systems---1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > Sow / Reap ..they say ...our karma decides everything ..or > atleast > > > say mostly . What decides our first incarnation ? > > > > > > I'm koushik ..assume that i've had 12 past lives ..11th one > decides > > > 12th..10 th decides 11th ...what decides 1st ? ...i have never > done > > > any karma or action ..not even thought ..if there's > > > reincarnation ..what decides our first incarnation? > > > > > > Peace, > > > Koushik > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1% > 40.--com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems----1@, Dharma Wayfarer > > > <dharmawayfarer@-> wrote: > > > > > > > > My subjective experience is that I have been shown or have > been > > > given to know of a number of different lives previous to this > one, > > > threads of lucid dreams, visions in meditations, and straight > > > knowingnesses, that have 'proved' as such using applied > kinesiology > > > (now whether one s to the utility of this form of > > divination > > > is entirely another matter). For example, using 'AK' ... it is > > > purported that one can ask, for example, what is the 'average' > > number > > > of human rebirths for the average 'human being' ... and likely > come > > > up with something in the area of 12-14. (many have had far > fewer, > > and > > > progressively fewer have had many times that) If one is > interested > > > in this form of inquiry, one might read some of David R. > Hawkins' > > > work. I have found the method of inquiry quite, umm, > efficacious, > > > particularly when done rigourously (e.g. double blind testing) > with > > a > > > very k-awake (as in full pipes open) partner. Hawkins' use of AK > is > > > controversial, as he has led the potential > > > > for inquiry not only in to that which has past (e.g. past > lives), > > > but potentially more usefully, in asking questions about that > which > > > is, including 'levels of consciousness'---, and as a way to > > > discern 'truth' from 'falsehood'. Again, I've tested it > rigorously > > > with a k-awake friend, and it gets verrrrrry interesting, in > terms > > of > > > Mind accessing Universal Mind, Akashic Records, and such, but > > always > > > with one's intention first being established/---grounded in 'for > the > > > benefit of understanding, for others' and with 'permission' > being > > > asked first, and granted by the 'oracle' > > > > > > > > Metta. > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Wow, thanks for that John, always a pleasure to read your posts, I too have heard of the cosmic in breath, a very nice way to describe it I think, we are the microcosm of the macrocosm after all. Much love Elektra x x x _________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. http://uk.security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Thank you John for your understanding, So thats why liquors are sometimes called spirits Another idea from Buddhism is that a human incarnation is the best one because it is the only one which gives a broad enough experience of good and evil to allow balance and understanding to be reached and from this enlightenment. Put another way, if we were in heaven, we would be too attached to pleasure, in hell, too attached to pain. Bless you John and god speed you towards enlightenment, or wherever you desire to go! James. , " John Mathieson " <jaganath wrote: > > Dear James > My position on devas is that human evolution is far above them, they are > are a kingdom in there own right with there own purposes. Devas long for > human expression and in return of physical existence humans accommodate > them, one example of deva existence is alcoholic beverages and its > effects on the human brain, divas are also the basis of healing within > the homeopathic remedies, divas are in as much programs induced by > thought racing to be expressed. I have read that devas can become human > by following the existence though the animal kingdom most particularly > the bird kingdom how ever I do not understand this theory. ( though it > reminds me of when I was in trouble of being a young boy and asking how > did you find out and I was left with the reply a little bird told me. > :-( > > I don't know what you mean about the Buddhist theory that seeks > extinction. My thought is if we are just a particle of the universe > extinction is impossible, how ever if you are on topic of material > anhilal ation that will will come in its own time when we no longer need > a physical apparatuses to ensure the understanding of the universe. Then > yes when we no longer need this body other existences will come about. > John M. > > > > On Behalf Of > James > Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:32 AM > > Re: Reincarnation the essence > of thought > > > > Dear John M, > Thanks for your excellent and cosmic post. > It raises a question... Should we seek to evolve ourselves and > ascend to higher spritual states, ie become devas, or should we seek > an end to our existence in the manner of Buddhism, as if we evolve > and ascend, inevitably we will have to devolve and descend ( you > mentioned retrograde evolution)? > Blessings and love James > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1, " John > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > Dear Fellows > > In our universe there are cycles within cycles > > within......-.........-.........-.........-.........-.... > > Whenever this universe was created so many milli seconds before > time, > > (so the astronomers claim) I don't believe it was the beginning but > > rather a return from pralaya, in Christian theosophy Jehovah is the > > first and the last there for Jehovah is the static state of the > universe > > within its cycles. It is the breath held in as in nadi sodan > pranyama. > > > > They say as it is within so it is without: this universal > incarnation is > > one breath of many. though on every breath the universe as well as > all > > the subjective entities and elements trap in the presence of space > and > > time move forward with it, yet all return to praylaya > between/beyond > > space and time as we at this moment know it to be. > > > > My imagination tells me that every thing is evolving though I do > not > > believe this is always the case regarding the deva life forms as > it has > > been suggested to me many of them are on the retrograde evolutution > > these are said to be harmful to humans though they are having > > increasingly lesser effect. the lesser effect they have the greater > > potential of humanity to grow. when the heart centre is compleatly > open > > and man is mentaly polarised thes anti evolutionary devas have > little or > > no effect. At this stage mankind will be beyond fear and guilt and > they > > can begin to understand creative thought and with there higher > centres > > working will begin to will existence in to co operating in harmony. > > > > Now the question is where do we come from. my answer is the > universe. as > > far as I am able to theorize about it in an attempt to understand > it as > > from just an fragment of an atomic particle of it, seeking years of > > advice reading scriptures mediating and reflecting on the path of > arohan > > and arwoahan, visualising the expansion and contraction of prana > > witnessing the process of the natural breathing process. I believe > by > > subjective deductions; this is not the first time the universe has > > manifested itself. > > So as we are a part of the universe we will continue to be > manifested > > along with it. For as long as it chooses to manifest itself. > > > > WE are as we are, are insignificant. We with our grand illusionary > egos > > believe we are so important. > > Well in the scheme of things to come yes indeed we are, though at > the > > moment we cannot possibly generate an original creative thought of > our > > own and our importance is to have no effect on the universe. it is > we > > that rely on the universe for everything yet for so many of us we > refuse > > to see it presence for we are lock in the presence of our own false > > premise of legendary minds. > > > > We even kid ourselves into believing that the brain is the mind, > yet we > > do not consider a radio recover as intelligence. > > A computer is said to be intelligent, yet it only functions to > protocols > > installed into it, an atom on the same basis has intelligence, it > has > > electro magnetic functions that can be programmed thus can be > effected > > by thought. > > > > the human mind is different and it is different because of > experience, > > it can harmonise with experience and though harmonising with > experience > > is able to cognise, and in co gnosis it can tune into the mind of > the > > universe, and in tuning into the mind of the universe it can go > beyond > > space and time, and if and when it does can developed back to the > origin > > of thought. > > it might seem to you that I believe that though is all that exists > > though I do not perceive it that way because it is the boundaries > of my > > understanding as yet, that is all. What is beyond thought I do not > know. > > John M > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1 > > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1] On Behalf Of > > sarceto > > Monday, 18 September 2006 3:23 AM > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1 > > [Kundalini-Awakenin-g-Systems--1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > Perhaps the impulse to create > > > > Namaste > > A. > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@, " Kousik " > > <r_koushik2003@> wrote: > > > > > > That was just an example john . I know vedic astrology ..and > > > according to that ..most of our current life depends upon our > past > > > lives ..they say ..there's something called nadi > astrology ..which > > is > > > very precise ..and they hold the same opinion..In the > beginning , > > > there was no action ..so what decided our first incarnation ? > > > > > > Peace, > > > Koushik. > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@, " John > > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I cerate's, everything out of Its self. I and self is > > inseparable > > > till > > > > duality is born. Karma is in its (this) reflection. > > > > Karma is not an identity until it is given one and when it has > an > > > > identity it reflects symmetry in a cyclic spiralling motion. > > > > Everything is thus the reflection of the original cause. > > > > > > > > May I ask you a question how long is the life time your > > referring > > > to? I > > > > wonder, do you refer to hourly change of the breath flowing in > > and > > > out > > > > of the nostrils a life of a physical human incarnation or the > > time > > > it > > > > takes for the universe to turn one revolution on its 360 > degree > > > motion. > > > > I wonder's how you feel that you might have become aware of > human > > > > experience just after an evolutionary period 12 or 13 lives. > > > > John M > > > > > > > > PS: :-) They also says that 13 is unlucky. Don't believe they, > > > after > > > > all it may be within this life time you may have met I. > > > > > > > > PSS: ROFL I awaits karmic substance in the reflection of your > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@ > > > > [HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@] On Behalf > > Of > > > > Kousik > > > > Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:28 PM > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@ > > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin--g-Systems---1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sow / Reap ..they say ...our karma decides everything ..or > > atleast > > > > say mostly . What decides our first incarnation ? > > > > > > > > I'm koushik ..assume that i've had 12 past lives ..11th one > > decides > > > > 12th..10 th decides 11th ...what decides 1st ? ...i have never > > done > > > > any karma or action ..not even thought ..if there's > > > > reincarnation ..what decides our first incarnation? > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > Koushik > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1% > > 40.--com " Kundalini- > > > Awaken > > > > ing--Systems----1@, Dharma Wayfarer > > > > <dharmawayfarer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My subjective experience is that I have been shown or have > > been > > > > given to know of a number of different lives previous to this > > one, > > > > threads of lucid dreams, visions in meditations, and straight > > > > knowingnesses, that have 'proved' as such using applied > > kinesiology > > > > (now whether one s to the utility of this form of > > > divination > > > > is entirely another matter). For example, using 'AK' ... it is > > > > purported that one can ask, for example, what is the 'average' > > > number > > > > of human rebirths for the average 'human being' ... and likely > > come > > > > up with something in the area of 12-14. (many have had far > > fewer, > > > and > > > > progressively fewer have had many times that) If one is > > interested > > > > in this form of inquiry, one might read some of David R. > > Hawkins' > > > > work. I have found the method of inquiry quite, umm, > > efficacious, > > > > particularly when done rigourously (e.g. double blind testing) > > with > > > a > > > > very k-awake (as in full pipes open) partner. Hawkins' use of > AK > > is > > > > controversial, as he has led the potential > > > > > for inquiry not only in to that which has past (e.g. past > > lives), > > > > but potentially more usefully, in asking questions about that > > which > > > > is, including 'levels of consciousness'---, and as a way to > > > > discern 'truth' from 'falsehood'. Again, I've tested it > > rigorously > > > > with a k-awake friend, and it gets verrrrrry interesting, in > > terms > > > of > > > > Mind accessing Universal Mind, Akashic Records, and such, but > > > always > > > > with one's intention first being established/---grounded > in 'for > > the > > > > benefit of understanding, for others' and with 'permission' > > being > > > > asked first, and granted by the 'oracle' > > > > > > > > > > Metta. > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. 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Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Dear James My thoughts are is that we are already in heaven and already in hell. Oblioe found the point when he learnt, you see what you want see and hear what you want to hear. We, when taking incarnation,we choose to understand more of the secrets of the total exsistance. We take physical form by putting ourself in between the negative and positive polarities of of what we percieve to be life. In doing so the kundalini is excited and there fore we gain greater exsperince that in a exsistace out side duality can never be achieved. Weather our jiva takes human or animal form, as well as the time of rebirth depends on the understanding learnt from previous lifes lessons, or group/karmic resonence concerning duty. The trigger mechanism is desire. That is why it is concidered as evolutution. It is not the spirit that evolves man has already been created in gods image, it is its understanding. Animals are far from having the understanding of humans. Though that does not mean we should not try and help them. John M On Behalf Of James Thursday, 21 September 2006 3:09 AM Re: Reincarnation the essence of thought Thank you John for your understanding, So thats why liquors are sometimes called spirits Another idea from Buddhism is that a human incarnation is the best one because it is the only one which gives a broad enough experience of good and evil to allow balance and understanding to be reached and from this enlightenment. Put another way, if we were in heaven, we would be too attached to pleasure, in hell, too attached to pain. Bless you John and god speed you towards enlightenment, or wherever you desire to go! James. HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com, " John Mathieson " <jaganath@..-.> wrote: > > Dear James > My position on devas is that human evolution is far above them, they are > are a kingdom in there own right with there own purposes. Devas long for > human expression and in return of physical existence humans accommodate > them, one example of deva existence is alcoholic beverages and its > effects on the human brain, divas are also the basis of healing within > the homeopathic remedies, divas are in as much programs induced by > thought racing to be expressed. I have read that devas can become human > by following the existence though the animal kingdom most particularly > the bird kingdom how ever I do not understand this theory. ( though it > reminds me of when I was in trouble of being a young boy and asking how > did you find out and I was left with the reply a little bird told me. > :-( > > I don't know what you mean about the Buddhist theory that seeks > extinction. My thought is if we are just a particle of the universe > extinction is impossible, how ever if you are on topic of material > anhilal ation that will will come in its own time when we no longer need > a physical apparatuses to ensure the understanding of the universe. Then > yes when we no longer need this body other existences will come about. > John M. > > > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > [HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com] On Behalf Of > James > Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:32 AM > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > [Kundalini-Awakenin-g-Systems--1] Re: Reincarnation the essence > of thought > > > > Dear John M, > Thanks for your excellent and cosmic post. > It raises a question... Should we seek to evolve ourselves and > ascend to higher spritual states, ie become devas, or should we seek > an end to our existence in the manner of Buddhism, as if we evolve > and ascend, inevitably we will have to devolve and descend ( you > mentioned retrograde evolution)? > Blessings and love James > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1, " John > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > Dear Fellows > > In our universe there are cycles within cycles > > within......--........-.-.......-..-......-...-.....-....-.... > > Whenever this universe was created so many milli seconds before > time, > > (so the astronomers claim) I don't believe it was the beginning but > > rather a return from pralaya, in Christian theosophy Jehovah is the > > first and the last there for Jehovah is the static state of the > universe > > within its cycles. It is the breath held in as in nadi sodan > pranyama. > > > > They say as it is within so it is without: this universal > incarnation is > > one breath of many. though on every breath the universe as well as > all > > the subjective entities and elements trap in the presence of space > and > > time move forward with it, yet all return to praylaya > between/beyond > > space and time as we at this moment know it to be. > > > > My imagination tells me that every thing is evolving though I do > not > > believe this is always the case regarding the deva life forms as > it has > > been suggested to me many of them are on the retrograde evolutution > > these are said to be harmful to humans though they are having > > increasingly lesser effect. the lesser effect they have the greater > > potential of humanity to grow. when the heart centre is compleatly > open > > and man is mentaly polarised thes anti evolutionary devas have > little or > > no effect. At this stage mankind will be beyond fear and guilt and > they > > can begin to understand creative thought and with there higher > centres > > working will begin to will existence in to co operating in harmony. > > > > Now the question is where do we come from. my answer is the > universe. as > > far as I am able to theorize about it in an attempt to understand > it as > > from just an fragment of an atomic particle of it, seeking years of > > advice reading scriptures mediating and reflecting on the path of > arohan > > and arwoahan, visualising the expansion and contraction of prana > > witnessing the process of the natural breathing process. I believe > by > > subjective deductions; this is not the first time the universe has > > manifested itself. > > So as we are a part of the universe we will continue to be > manifested > > along with it. For as long as it chooses to manifest itself. > > > > WE are as we are, are insignificant. We with our grand illusionary > egos > > believe we are so important. > > Well in the scheme of things to come yes indeed we are, though at > the > > moment we cannot possibly generate an original creative thought of > our > > own and our importance is to have no effect on the universe. it is > we > > that rely on the universe for everything yet for so many of us we > refuse > > to see it presence for we are lock in the presence of our own false > > premise of legendary minds. > > > > We even kid ourselves into believing that the brain is the mind, > yet we > > do not consider a radio recover as intelligence. > > A computer is said to be intelligent, yet it only functions to > protocols > > installed into it, an atom on the same basis has intelligence, it > has > > electro magnetic functions that can be programmed thus can be > effected > > by thought. > > > > the human mind is different and it is different because of > experience, > > it can harmonise with experience and though harmonising with > experience > > is able to cognise, and in co gnosis it can tune into the mind of > the > > universe, and in tuning into the mind of the universe it can go > beyond > > space and time, and if and when it does can developed back to the > origin > > of thought. > > it might seem to you that I believe that though is all that exists > > though I do not perceive it that way because it is the boundaries > of my > > understanding as yet, that is all. What is beyond thought I do not > know. > > John M > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1 > > [HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1] On Behalf Of > > sarceto > > Monday, 18 September 2006 3:23 AM > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1 > > [Kundalini-Awakenin--g-Systems---1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > Perhaps the impulse to create > > > > Namaste > > A. > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@, " Kousik " > > <r_koushik2003@-> wrote: > > > > > > That was just an example john . I know vedic astrology ..and > > > according to that ..most of our current life depends upon our > past > > > lives ..they say ..there's something called nadi > astrology ..which > > is > > > very precise ..and they hold the same opinion..In the > beginning , > > > there was no action ..so what decided our first incarnation ? > > > > > > Peace, > > > Koushik. > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@, " John > > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I cerate's, everything out of Its self. I and self is > > inseparable > > > till > > > > duality is born. Karma is in its (this) reflection. > > > > Karma is not an identity until it is given one and when it has > an > > > > identity it reflects symmetry in a cyclic spiralling motion. > > > > Everything is thus the reflection of the original cause. > > > > > > > > May I ask you a question how long is the life time your > > referring > > > to? I > > > > wonder, do you refer to hourly change of the breath flowing in > > and > > > out > > > > of the nostrils a life of a physical human incarnation or the > > time > > > it > > > > takes for the universe to turn one revolution on its 360 > degree > > > motion. > > > > I wonder's how you feel that you might have become aware of > human > > > > experience just after an evolutionary period 12 or 13 lives. > > > > John M > > > > > > > > PS: :-) They also says that 13 is unlucky. Don't believe they, > > > after > > > > all it may be within this life time you may have met I. > > > > > > > > PSS: ROFL I awaits karmic substance in the reflection of your > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@ > > > > [HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@] On Behalf > > Of > > > > Kousik > > > > Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:28 PM > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@ > > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin---g-Systems----1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sow / Reap ..they say ...our karma decides everything ..or > > atleast > > > > say mostly . What decides our first incarnation ? > > > > > > > > I'm koushik ..assume that i've had 12 past lives ..11th one > > decides > > > > 12th..10 th decides 11th ...what decides 1st ? ...i have never > > done > > > > any karma or action ..not even thought ..if there's > > > > reincarnation ..what decides our first incarnation? > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > Koushik > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > > " Kundalini----Awakening----Systems---1% > > 40.---com " Kundalini- > > > Awaken > > > > ing--Systems-----1@, Dharma Wayfarer > > > > <dharmawayfarer@-> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My subjective experience is that I have been shown or have > > been > > > > given to know of a number of different lives previous to this > > one, > > > > threads of lucid dreams, visions in meditations, and straight > > > > knowingnesses, that have 'proved' as such using applied > > kinesiology > > > > (now whether one s to the utility of this form of > > > divination > > > > is entirely another matter). For example, using 'AK' ... it is > > > > purported that one can ask, for example, what is the 'average' > > > number > > > > of human rebirths for the average 'human being' ... and likely > > come > > > > up with something in the area of 12-14. (many have had far > > fewer, > > > and > > > > progressively fewer have had many times that) If one is > > interested > > > > in this form of inquiry, one might read some of David R. > > Hawkins' > > > > work. I have found the method of inquiry quite, umm, > > efficacious, > > > > particularly when done rigourously (e.g. double blind testing) > > with > > > a > > > > very k-awake (as in full pipes open) partner. Hawkins' use of > AK > > is > > > > controversial, as he has led the potential > > > > > for inquiry not only in to that which has past (e.g. past > > lives), > > > > but potentially more usefully, in asking questions about that > > which > > > > is, including 'levels of consciousness'----, and as a way to > > > > discern 'truth' from 'falsehood'. Again, I've tested it > > rigorously > > > > with a k-awake friend, and it gets verrrrrry interesting, in > > terms > > > of > > > > Mind accessing Universal Mind, Akashic Records, and such, but > > > always > > > > with one's intention first being established/----grounded > in 'for > > the > > > > benefit of understanding, for others' and with 'permission' > > being > > > > asked first, and granted by the 'oracle' > > > > > > > > > > Metta. > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. 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Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Thank you John! So if it comes down to desire... Should we focus on having correct desires? Or should we focus on having no desire at all? Which do you feel is preferable? I used to think no desire is best, and sometimes it it, for instance we have to be content to meditate, but some desires are good... The desire to love, the will to live, the desire to help and grow... What are your thoughts? Bless you.. James , " John Mathieson " <jaganath wrote: > > Dear James > My thoughts are is that we are already in heaven and already in hell. > Oblioe found the point when he learnt, you see what you want see and > hear what you want to hear. > > We, when taking incarnation,we choose to understand more of the secrets > of the total exsistance. > We take physical form by putting ourself in between the negative and > positive polarities of of what we percieve to be life. > In doing so the kundalini is excited and there fore we gain greater > exsperince that in a exsistace out side duality can never be achieved. > Weather our jiva takes human or animal form, as well as the time of > rebirth depends on the understanding learnt from previous lifes lessons, > or group/karmic resonence concerning duty. The trigger mechanism is > desire. That is why it is concidered as evolutution. > It is not the spirit that evolves man has already been created in gods > image, it is its understanding. Animals are far from having the > understanding of humans. Though that does not mean we should not try and > help them. > John M > > > > On Behalf Of > James > Thursday, 21 September 2006 3:09 AM > > Re: Reincarnation the essence > of thought > > > > Thank you John for your understanding, > So thats why liquors are sometimes called spirits > Another idea from Buddhism is that a human incarnation is the best > one because it is the only one which gives a broad enough experience > of good and evil to allow balance and understanding to be reached > and from this enlightenment. Put another way, if we were in heaven, > we would be too attached to pleasure, in hell, too attached to pain. > Bless you John and god speed you towards enlightenment, or wherever > you desire to go! James. > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1, " John > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > Dear James > > My position on devas is that human evolution is far above them, > they are > > are a kingdom in there own right with there own purposes. Devas > long for > > human expression and in return of physical existence humans > accommodate > > them, one example of deva existence is alcoholic beverages and its > > effects on the human brain, divas are also the basis of healing > within > > the homeopathic remedies, divas are in as much programs induced by > > thought racing to be expressed. I have read that devas can become > human > > by following the existence though the animal kingdom most > particularly > > the bird kingdom how ever I do not understand this theory. ( > though it > > reminds me of when I was in trouble of being a young boy and > asking how > > did you find out and I was left with the reply a little bird told > me. > > :-( > > > > I don't know what you mean about the Buddhist theory that seeks > > extinction. My thought is if we are just a particle of the universe > > extinction is impossible, how ever if you are on topic of material > > anhilal ation that will will come in its own time when we no > longer need > > a physical apparatuses to ensure the understanding of the > universe. Then > > yes when we no longer need this body other existences will come > about. > > John M. > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1 > > [HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1] On Behalf Of > > James > > Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:32 AM > > HYPERLINK > " %40 " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems--1 > > [Kundalini-Awakenin-g-Systems--1] Re: Reincarnation the > essence > > of thought > > > > > > > > Dear John M, > > Thanks for your excellent and cosmic post. > > It raises a question... Should we seek to evolve ourselves and > > ascend to higher spritual states, ie become devas, or should we > seek > > an end to our existence in the manner of Buddhism, as if we evolve > > and ascend, inevitably we will have to devolve and descend ( you > > mentioned retrograde evolution)? > > Blessings and love James > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@, " John > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Fellows > > > In our universe there are cycles within cycles > > > within......--........-.-.......-..-......-...-.....-....-.... > > > Whenever this universe was created so many milli seconds before > > time, > > > (so the astronomers claim) I don't believe it was the beginning > but > > > rather a return from pralaya, in Christian theosophy Jehovah is > the > > > first and the last there for Jehovah is the static state of the > > universe > > > within its cycles. It is the breath held in as in nadi sodan > > pranyama. > > > > > > They say as it is within so it is without: this universal > > incarnation is > > > one breath of many. though on every breath the universe as well > as > > all > > > the subjective entities and elements trap in the presence of > space > > and > > > time move forward with it, yet all return to praylaya > > between/beyond > > > space and time as we at this moment know it to be. > > > > > > My imagination tells me that every thing is evolving though I do > > not > > > believe this is always the case regarding the deva life forms as > > it has > > > been suggested to me many of them are on the retrograde > evolutution > > > these are said to be harmful to humans though they are having > > > increasingly lesser effect. the lesser effect they have the > greater > > > potential of humanity to grow. when the heart centre is > compleatly > > open > > > and man is mentaly polarised thes anti evolutionary devas have > > little or > > > no effect. At this stage mankind will be beyond fear and guilt > and > > they > > > can begin to understand creative thought and with there higher > > centres > > > working will begin to will existence in to co operating in > harmony. > > > > > > Now the question is where do we come from. my answer is the > > universe. as > > > far as I am able to theorize about it in an attempt to > understand > > it as > > > from just an fragment of an atomic particle of it, seeking years > of > > > advice reading scriptures mediating and reflecting on the path > of > > arohan > > > and arwoahan, visualising the expansion and contraction of prana > > > witnessing the process of the natural breathing process. I > believe > > by > > > subjective deductions; this is not the first time the universe > has > > > manifested itself. > > > So as we are a part of the universe we will continue to be > > manifested > > > along with it. For as long as it chooses to manifest itself. > > > > > > WE are as we are, are insignificant. We with our grand > illusionary > > egos > > > believe we are so important. > > > Well in the scheme of things to come yes indeed we are, though > at > > the > > > moment we cannot possibly generate an original creative thought > of > > our > > > own and our importance is to have no effect on the universe. it > is > > we > > > that rely on the universe for everything yet for so many of us > we > > refuse > > > to see it presence for we are lock in the presence of our own > false > > > premise of legendary minds. > > > > > > We even kid ourselves into believing that the brain is the mind, > > yet we > > > do not consider a radio recover as intelligence. > > > A computer is said to be intelligent, yet it only functions to > > protocols > > > installed into it, an atom on the same basis has intelligence, > it > > has > > > electro magnetic functions that can be programmed thus can be > > effected > > > by thought. > > > > > > the human mind is different and it is different because of > > experience, > > > it can harmonise with experience and though harmonising with > > experience > > > is able to cognise, and in co gnosis it can tune into the mind > of > > the > > > universe, and in tuning into the mind of the universe it can go > > beyond > > > space and time, and if and when it does can developed back to > the > > origin > > > of thought. > > > it might seem to you that I believe that though is all that > exists > > > though I do not perceive it that way because it is the > boundaries > > of my > > > understanding as yet, that is all. What is beyond thought I do > not > > know. > > > John M > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@ > > > [HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@] On Behalf Of > > > sarceto > > > Monday, 18 September 2006 3:23 AM > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems---1@ > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin--g-Systems---1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the impulse to create > > > > > > Namaste > > > A. > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems----1@, " Kousik " > > > <r_koushik2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That was just an example john . I know vedic astrology ..and > > > > according to that ..most of our current life depends upon our > > past > > > > lives ..they say ..there's something called nadi > > astrology ..which > > > is > > > > very precise ..and they hold the same opinion..In the > > beginning , > > > > there was no action ..so what decided our first incarnation ? > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > Koushik. > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems----1@, " John > > > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I cerate's, everything out of Its self. I and self is > > > inseparable > > > > till > > > > > duality is born. Karma is in its (this) reflection. > > > > > Karma is not an identity until it is given one and when it > has > > an > > > > > identity it reflects symmetry in a cyclic spiralling motion. > > > > > Everything is thus the reflection of the original cause. > > > > > > > > > > May I ask you a question how long is the life time your > > > referring > > > > to? I > > > > > wonder, do you refer to hourly change of the breath flowing > in > > > and > > > > out > > > > > of the nostrils a life of a physical human incarnation or > the > > > time > > > > it > > > > > takes for the universe to turn one revolution on its 360 > > degree > > > > motion. > > > > > I wonder's how you feel that you might have become aware of > > human > > > > > experience just after an evolutionary period 12 or 13 lives. > > > > > John M > > > > > > > > > > PS: :-) They also says that 13 is unlucky. Don't believe > they, > > > > after > > > > > all it may be within this life time you may have met I. > > > > > > > > > > PSS: ROFL I awaits karmic substance in the reflection of > your > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems----1@ > > > > > [HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems----1@] On Behalf > > > Of > > > > > Kousik > > > > > Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:28 PM > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems----1@ > > > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin---g-Systems----1] Re: > Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sow / Reap ..they say ...our karma decides everything ..or > > > atleast > > > > > say mostly . What decides our first incarnation ? > > > > > > > > > > I'm koushik ..assume that i've had 12 past lives ..11th one > > > decides > > > > > 12th..10 th decides 11th ...what decides 1st ? ...i have > never > > > done > > > > > any karma or action ..not even thought ..if there's > > > > > reincarnation ..what decides our first incarnation? > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > Koushik > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > > > " Kundalini----Awakening----Systems---1% > > > 40.---com " Kundalini- > > > > Awaken > > > > > ing--Systems-----1@, Dharma Wayfarer > > > > > <dharmawayfarer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > My subjective experience is that I have been shown or have > > > been > > > > > given to know of a number of different lives previous to > this > > > one, > > > > > threads of lucid dreams, visions in meditations, and > straight > > > > > knowingnesses, that have 'proved' as such using applied > > > kinesiology > > > > > (now whether one s to the utility of this form of > > > > divination > > > > > is entirely another matter). For example, using 'AK' ... it > is > > > > > purported that one can ask, for example, what is > the 'average' > > > > number > > > > > of human rebirths for the average 'human being' ... and > likely > > > come > > > > > up with something in the area of 12-14. (many have had far > > > fewer, > > > > and > > > > > progressively fewer have had many times that) If one is > > > interested > > > > > in this form of inquiry, one might read some of David R. > > > Hawkins' > > > > > work. I have found the method of inquiry quite, umm, > > > efficacious, > > > > > particularly when done rigourously (e.g. double blind > testing) > > > with > > > > a > > > > > very k-awake (as in full pipes open) partner. Hawkins' use > of > > AK > > > is > > > > > controversial, as he has led the potential > > > > > > for inquiry not only in to that which has past (e.g. past > > > lives), > > > > > but potentially more usefully, in asking questions about > that > > > which > > > > > is, including 'levels of consciousness'----, and as a way to > > > > > discern 'truth' from 'falsehood'. Again, I've tested it > > > rigorously > > > > > with a k-awake friend, and it gets verrrrrry interesting, in > > > terms > > > > of > > > > > Mind accessing Universal Mind, Akashic Records, and such, > but > > > > always > > > > > with one's intention first being established/----grounded > > in 'for > > > the > > > > > benefit of understanding, for others' and with 'permission' > > > being > > > > > asked first, and granted by the 'oracle' > > > > > > > > > > > > Metta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. 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Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 James,I think the following says it all John M 'Where there is joy, bliss, delight and pleasure of inexpressible variety, where all wishes are fulfilled, there make me immortal.' Rig Veda 9th mandala, 113th sukta, 1st mantra On Behalf Of James Thursday, 21 September 2006 6:58 PM Re: Reincarnation the essence of thought Thank you John! So if it comes down to desire... Should we focus on having correct desires? Or should we focus on having no desire at all? Which do you feel is preferable? I used to think no desire is best, and sometimes it it, for instance we have to be content to meditate, but some desires are good... The desire to love, the will to live, the desire to help and grow... What are your thoughts? Bless you.. James HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com, " John Mathieson " <jaganath@..-.> wrote: > > Dear James > My thoughts are is that we are already in heaven and already in hell. > Oblioe found the point when he learnt, you see what you want see and > hear what you want to hear. > > We, when taking incarnation,-we choose to understand more of the secrets > of the total exsistance. > We take physical form by putting ourself in between the negative and > positive polarities of of what we percieve to be life. > In doing so the kundalini is excited and there fore we gain greater > exsperince that in a exsistace out side duality can never be achieved. > Weather our jiva takes human or animal form, as well as the time of > rebirth depends on the understanding learnt from previous lifes lessons, > or group/karmic resonence concerning duty. The trigger mechanism is > desire. That is why it is concidered as evolutution. > It is not the spirit that evolves man has already been created in gods > image, it is its understanding. Animals are far from having the > understanding of humans. Though that does not mean we should not try and > help them. > John M > > > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > [HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com] On Behalf Of > James > Thursday, 21 September 2006 3:09 AM > HYPERLINK " %40 " Kundalini-Awaken ing--Systems--1 (AT) (DOT) -com > [Kundalini-Awakenin-g-Systems--1] Re: Reincarnation the essence > of thought > > > > Thank you John for your understanding, > So thats why liquors are sometimes called spirits > Another idea from Buddhism is that a human incarnation is the best > one because it is the only one which gives a broad enough experience > of good and evil to allow balance and understanding to be reached > and from this enlightenment. Put another way, if we were in heaven, > we would be too attached to pleasure, in hell, too attached to pain. > Bless you John and god speed you towards enlightenment, or wherever > you desire to go! James. > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1, " John > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > Dear James > > My position on devas is that human evolution is far above them, > they are > > are a kingdom in there own right with there own purposes. Devas > long for > > human expression and in return of physical existence humans > accommodate > > them, one example of deva existence is alcoholic beverages and its > > effects on the human brain, divas are also the basis of healing > within > > the homeopathic remedies, divas are in as much programs induced by > > thought racing to be expressed. I have read that devas can become > human > > by following the existence though the animal kingdom most > particularly > > the bird kingdom how ever I do not understand this theory. ( > though it > > reminds me of when I was in trouble of being a young boy and > asking how > > did you find out and I was left with the reply a little bird told > me. > > :-( > > > > I don't know what you mean about the Buddhist theory that seeks > > extinction. My thought is if we are just a particle of the universe > > extinction is impossible, how ever if you are on topic of material > > anhilal ation that will will come in its own time when we no > longer need > > a physical apparatuses to ensure the understanding of the > universe. Then > > yes when we no longer need this body other existences will come > about. > > John M. > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1 > > [HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1] On Behalf Of > > James > > Tuesday, 19 September 2006 10:32 AM > > HYPERLINK > " Kundalini--Awakening--Systems-1%-40.-com " Kundalini- Awaken > ing--Systems---1 > > [Kundalini-Awakenin--g-Systems---1] Re: Reincarnation the > essence > > of thought > > > > > > > > Dear John M, > > Thanks for your excellent and cosmic post. > > It raises a question... Should we seek to evolve ourselves and > > ascend to higher spritual states, ie become devas, or should we > seek > > an end to our existence in the manner of Buddhism, as if we evolve > > and ascend, inevitably we will have to devolve and descend ( you > > mentioned retrograde evolution)? > > Blessings and love James > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@, " John > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Fellows > > > In our universe there are cycles within cycles > > > within......---.......-.-.-.....-..-..-...-...-...-.-....-....--.... > > > Whenever this universe was created so many milli seconds before > > time, > > > (so the astronomers claim) I don't believe it was the beginning > but > > > rather a return from pralaya, in Christian theosophy Jehovah is > the > > > first and the last there for Jehovah is the static state of the > > universe > > > within its cycles. It is the breath held in as in nadi sodan > > pranyama. > > > > > > They say as it is within so it is without: this universal > > incarnation is > > > one breath of many. though on every breath the universe as well > as > > all > > > the subjective entities and elements trap in the presence of > space > > and > > > time move forward with it, yet all return to praylaya > > between/beyond > > > space and time as we at this moment know it to be. > > > > > > My imagination tells me that every thing is evolving though I do > > not > > > believe this is always the case regarding the deva life forms as > > it has > > > been suggested to me many of them are on the retrograde > evolutution > > > these are said to be harmful to humans though they are having > > > increasingly lesser effect. the lesser effect they have the > greater > > > potential of humanity to grow. when the heart centre is > compleatly > > open > > > and man is mentaly polarised thes anti evolutionary devas have > > little or > > > no effect. At this stage mankind will be beyond fear and guilt > and > > they > > > can begin to understand creative thought and with there higher > > centres > > > working will begin to will existence in to co operating in > harmony. > > > > > > Now the question is where do we come from. my answer is the > > universe. as > > > far as I am able to theorize about it in an attempt to > understand > > it as > > > from just an fragment of an atomic particle of it, seeking years > of > > > advice reading scriptures mediating and reflecting on the path > of > > arohan > > > and arwoahan, visualising the expansion and contraction of prana > > > witnessing the process of the natural breathing process. I > believe > > by > > > subjective deductions; this is not the first time the universe > has > > > manifested itself. > > > So as we are a part of the universe we will continue to be > > manifested > > > along with it. For as long as it chooses to manifest itself. > > > > > > WE are as we are, are insignificant. We with our grand > illusionary > > egos > > > believe we are so important. > > > Well in the scheme of things to come yes indeed we are, though > at > > the > > > moment we cannot possibly generate an original creative thought > of > > our > > > own and our importance is to have no effect on the universe. it > is > > we > > > that rely on the universe for everything yet for so many of us > we > > refuse > > > to see it presence for we are lock in the presence of our own > false > > > premise of legendary minds. > > > > > > We even kid ourselves into believing that the brain is the mind, > > yet we > > > do not consider a radio recover as intelligence. > > > A computer is said to be intelligent, yet it only functions to > > protocols > > > installed into it, an atom on the same basis has intelligence, > it > > has > > > electro magnetic functions that can be programmed thus can be > > effected > > > by thought. > > > > > > the human mind is different and it is different because of > > experience, > > > it can harmonise with experience and though harmonising with > > experience > > > is able to cognise, and in co gnosis it can tune into the mind > of > > the > > > universe, and in tuning into the mind of the universe it can go > > beyond > > > space and time, and if and when it does can developed back to > the > > origin > > > of thought. > > > it might seem to you that I believe that though is all that > exists > > > though I do not perceive it that way because it is the > boundaries > > of my > > > understanding as yet, that is all. What is beyond thought I do > not > > know. > > > John M > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@ > > > [HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@] On Behalf Of > > > sarceto > > > Monday, 18 September 2006 3:23 AM > > > HYPERLINK > > " Kundalini---Awakening---Systems--1%-40-.- com " Kundalini- > Awaken > > ing--Systems----1@ > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin---g-Systems----1] Re: Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps the impulse to create > > > > > > Namaste > > > A. > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini----Awakening----Systems---1%-40-s-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems-----1@, " Kousik " > > > <r_koushik2003@-> wrote: > > > > > > > > That was just an example john . I know vedic astrology ..and > > > > according to that ..most of our current life depends upon our > > past > > > > lives ..they say ..there's something called nadi > > astrology ..which > > > is > > > > very precise ..and they hold the same opinion..In the > > beginning , > > > > there was no action ..so what decided our first incarnation ? > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > Koushik. > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini----Awakening----Systems---1%-40-s-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems-----1@, " John > > > > Mathieson " <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I cerate's, everything out of Its self. I and self is > > > inseparable > > > > till > > > > > duality is born. Karma is in its (this) reflection. > > > > > Karma is not an identity until it is given one and when it > has > > an > > > > > identity it reflects symmetry in a cyclic spiralling motion. > > > > > Everything is thus the reflection of the original cause. > > > > > > > > > > May I ask you a question how long is the life time your > > > referring > > > > to? I > > > > > wonder, do you refer to hourly change of the breath flowing > in > > > and > > > > out > > > > > of the nostrils a life of a physical human incarnation or > the > > > time > > > > it > > > > > takes for the universe to turn one revolution on its 360 > > degree > > > > motion. > > > > > I wonder's how you feel that you might have become aware of > > human > > > > > experience just after an evolutionary period 12 or 13 lives. > > > > > John M > > > > > > > > > > PS: :-) They also says that 13 is unlucky. Don't believe > they, > > > > after > > > > > all it may be within this life time you may have met I. > > > > > > > > > > PSS: ROFL I awaits karmic substance in the reflection of > your > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini----Awakening----Systems---1%-40-s-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems-----1@ > > > > > [HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini----Awakening----Systems---1%-40-s-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems-----1@] On Behalf > > > Of > > > > > Kousik > > > > > Saturday, 16 September 2006 10:28 PM > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > " Kundalini----Awakening----Systems---1%-40-s-.- > com " Kundalini- > > Awaken > > > ing--Systems-----1@ > > > > > [Kundalini-Awakenin----g-Systems-----1] Re: > Reincarnation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sow / Reap ..they say ...our karma decides everything ..or > > > atleast > > > > > say mostly . What decides our first incarnation ? > > > > > > > > > > I'm koushik ..assume that i've had 12 past lives ..11th one > > > decides > > > > > 12th..10 th decides 11th ...what decides 1st ? ...i have > never > > > done > > > > > any karma or action ..not even thought ..if there's > > > > > reincarnation ..what decides our first incarnation? > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > Koushik > > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > > > > " Kundalini-----Awakening-----Systems----1% > > > 40.----com " Kundalini-- > > > > Awaken > > > > > ing--Systems------1@, Dharma Wayfarer > > > > > <dharmawayfarer@-> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > My subjective experience is that I have been shown or have > > > been > > > > > given to know of a number of different lives previous to > this > > > one, > > > > > threads of lucid dreams, visions in meditations, and > straight > > > > > knowingnesses, that have 'proved' as such using applied > > > kinesiology > > > > > (now whether one s to the utility of this form of > > > > divination > > > > > is entirely another matter). For example, using 'AK' ... it > is > > > > > purported that one can ask, for example, what is > the 'average' > > > > number > > > > > of human rebirths for the average 'human being' ... and > likely > > > come > > > > > up with something in the area of 12-14. (many have had far > > > fewer, > > > > and > > > > > progressively fewer have had many times that) If one is > > > interested > > > > > in this form of inquiry, one might read some of David R. > > > Hawkins' > > > > > work. I have found the method of inquiry quite, umm, > > > efficacious, > > > > > particularly when done rigourously (e.g. double blind > testing) > > > with > > > > a > > > > > very k-awake (as in full pipes open) partner. Hawkins' use > of > > AK > > > is > > > > > controversial, as he has led the potential > > > > > > for inquiry not only in to that which has past (e.g. past > > > lives), > > > > > but potentially more usefully, in asking questions about > that > > > which > > > > > is, including 'levels of consciousness'-----, and as a way to > > > > > discern 'truth' from 'falsehood'. Again, I've tested it > > > rigorously > > > > > with a k-awake friend, and it gets verrrrrry interesting, in > > > terms > > > > of > > > > > Mind accessing Universal Mind, Akashic Records, and such, > but > > > > always > > > > > with one's intention first being established/-----grounded > > in 'for > > > the > > > > > benefit of understanding, for others' and with 'permission' > > > being > > > > > asked first, and granted by the 'oracle' > > > > > > > > > > > > Metta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. 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