Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Katherine - thank you so much for your very kind words to me and for sharing your story. My parents also had so very many dysfunctional traits which affected me greatly. Although I have truly forgiven them and understand them now, I do still battle the emotional after-effects to this day. My mother came from a very strict, fundamentalist Catholic background, and instilled the " not worthy, " fear of " eternal damnation " core " guilt " beliefs in me. At the same time, she endured many tragedies in her life, which also instilled the " this is a terrible world " belief into me. My father was much mistreated himself as a child, and grew into a very tough, strict, controlling, fighting alcoholic. This left me being a very hypersensitive, fearful individual - fear of unforgiveness, fear of physical harm, who attracted many tragic events myself, and many rocky, unstable, conditional and addictive relationships, without a very good model of how a loving relationship really should be. Yet, both of my parents have extremely strong and admirable traits as well. And so I try to incorporate those traits, instead. And I am slowly, but surely, learning to change and broaden my world view. As for the STD, the guy who gave it to me was someone I got involved with after my 2nd divorce, after going through a very deep depression. The doctor pretty much made me feel as though I was damned for life and could never have a normal relationship again, and actually " fussed " at me. When I told the guy who gave it to me that this had happened, I never heard from him again. The doctor happened to be the step-father of a very good friend of mine, and my friend has since then convinced me that his intentions were good and that he only reacted that way because he cared about me. Although, it didn't feel that way at the time. And the guy who gave it to me was another fighting alcoholic who was definitely not the right person for me anyway. And I forgave him for his disappearance long ago. I actually felt sorry for him, because I believe that it frightened him a great deal. But I can testify that it is NOT a life sentence, and it is possible to have a normal, symptom-free life. As far as the Catholic thing goes, I remember after my first divorce going to a priest for confession, and he told me that because I got divorced, that he could not ever grant me " absolution. " In other words, " forgiveness. " This only added to my feelings of unworthiness and " unforgivableness. " But, it put me on the path of exploring many other belief systems, and like you, part of my healing was to make some of these " confessions " here, and the compassion, understanding and forgiveness received here has brought me much mental and emotional relief. So, I do understand the concept of " confession " because it does " free " a person from mental and emotional anguish. And I see it as being symbolic only for that purpose now, and not a " necessity " to avoid " eternal damnation. " But rather, a symbolic necessity to free a person from confining themselves to their own, self-created hell. But anyway - I do understand the " sins of the father " concept being passed down through generations. Not intentionally, but instead, through ignorant means of default. So, I very much understand your pain over this, and am glad that we can all feel safe here, and help each other sort these things out and heal. And - enough confessions for me! I feel better now! So, maybe it is time to " go forth and be peaceful to love and serve the world. " I love you all, even though it is impossible to respond to everyone. And cannot thank you all enough for being such an important part of my healing process. And you, Katherine, are a very blessed addition to this group and your kindness is very much appreciated. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Deb, I feel better too and I am using the GREAT moments I did have as a child and teenager as my reflection for joy. It wasn't always bad, there were good times! NO beatings, although I wish they would have been they might not have hurt as long! But the past is the past I did learn some valuble things from both my mom and my dad. Anyway, lets have a wonderful future. Okay, so you feel better, I feel better! Let's enjoy life and what it has in store for us! Much Love and Peace, Katherine Deb <Deb111222 wrote: Katherine - thank you so much for your very kind words to me and for sharing your story. My parents also had so very many dysfunctional traits which affected me greatly. Although I have truly forgiven them and understand them now, I do still battle the emotional after-effects to this day. My mother came from a very strict, fundamentalist Catholic background, and instilled the " not worthy, " fear of " eternal damnation " core " guilt " beliefs in me. At the same time, she endured many tragedies in her life, which also instilled the " this is a terrible world " belief into me. My father was much mistreated himself as a child, and grew into a very tough, strict, controlling, fighting alcoholic. This left me being a very hypersensitive, fearful individual - fear of unforgiveness, fear of physical harm, who attracted many tragic events myself, and many rocky, unstable, conditional and addictive relationships, without a very good model of how a loving relationship really should be. Yet, both of my parents have extremely strong and admirable traits as well. And so I try to incorporate those traits, instead. And I am slowly, but surely, learning to change and broaden my world view. As for the STD, the guy who gave it to me was someone I got involved with after my 2nd divorce, after going through a very deep depression. The doctor pretty much made me feel as though I was damned for life and could never have a normal relationship again, and actually " fussed " at me. When I told the guy who gave it to me that this had happened, I never heard from him again. The doctor happened to be the step-father of a very good friend of mine, and my friend has since then convinced me that his intentions were good and that he only reacted that way because he cared about me. Although, it didn't feel that way at the time. And the guy who gave it to me was another fighting alcoholic who was definitely not the right person for me anyway. And I forgave him for his disappearance long ago. I actually felt sorry for him, because I believe that it frightened him a great deal. But I can testify that it is NOT a life sentence, and it is possible to have a normal, symptom-free life. As far as the Catholic thing goes, I remember after my first divorce going to a priest for confession, and he told me that because I got divorced, that he could not ever grant me " absolution. " In other words, " forgiveness. " This only added to my feelings of unworthiness and " unforgivableness. " But, it put me on the path of exploring many other belief systems, and like you, part of my healing was to make some of these " confessions " here, and the compassion, understanding and forgiveness received here has brought me much mental and emotional relief. So, I do understand the concept of " confession " because it does " free " a person from mental and emotional anguish. And I see it as being symbolic only for that purpose now, and not a " necessity " to avoid " eternal damnation. " But rather, a symbolic necessity to free a person from confining themselves to their own, self-created hell. But anyway - I do understand the " sins of the father " concept being passed down through generations. Not intentionally, but instead, through ignorant means of default. So, I very much understand your pain over this, and am glad that we can all feel safe here, and help each other sort these things out and heal. And - enough confessions for me! I feel better now! So, maybe it is time to " go forth and be peaceful to love and serve the world. " I love you all, even though it is impossible to respond to everyone. And cannot thank you all enough for being such an important part of my healing process. And you, Katherine, are a very blessed addition to this group and your kindness is very much appreciated. Deb Love and Peace for Eternity, Katherine How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 >>>>> Katherine: Deb, I feel better too and I am using the GREAT moments I did have as a child and teenager as my reflection for joy. It wasn't always bad, there were good times! NO beatings, although I wish they would have been they might not have hurt as long! But the past is the past I did learn some valuble things from both my mom and my dad. Anyway, lets have a wonderful future. Okay, so you feel better, I feel better! Let's enjoy life and what it has in store for us! <<<<< Hey Katherine! Yes, of course, I remember many good times too. And yes, let's DO have a wonderful future! I'm with you on that one! And Sam - I do hope you are feeling better now. Sending energy to tryptyche. And Stephen - so sorry to hear about your father-in-law. Your family is in my thoughts and prayers, and I am very glad that you have first-hand experience of the better place that he has gone. And Robin - very glad to hear that your daughter is doing better. I have been thinking of you and your situation. Lots of love and good intentions to everyone else, as well. Been picking out things for the house, which has been fun, but keeping me very busy. But, I am still here reading and appreciating all of the great insights shared here. And will be jumping in soon when things slow down a bit, or I have some extraordinary astral, insightful experience to share - whichever comes first! Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Hi Deb, Thank you for your kind thoughts and good intentions. Many blessings to you, Robin - Deb Friday, September 22, 2006 10:54 PM Re: A Closure! My Forgiveness! - Katherine >>>>> Katherine:Deb, I feel better too and I am using the GREAT moments I did have as a child and teenager as my reflection for joy. It wasn't always bad, there were good times! NO beatings, although I wish they would have been they might not have hurt as long! But the past is the past I did learn some valuble things from both my mom and my dad. Anyway, lets have a wonderful future. Okay, so you feel better, I feel better! Let's enjoy life and what it has in store for us! <<<<<Hey Katherine! Yes, of course, I remember many good times too. And yes, let's DO have a wonderful future! I'm with you on that one!And Sam - I do hope you are feeling better now. Sending energy to tryptyche.And Stephen - so sorry to hear about your father-in-law. Your family is in my thoughts and prayers, and I am very glad that you have first-hand experience of the better place that he has gone.And Robin - very glad to hear that your daughter is doing better. I have been thinking of you and your situation.Lots of love and good intentions to everyone else, as well. Been picking out things for the house, which has been fun, but keeping me very busy. But, I am still here reading and appreciating all of the great insights shared here. And will be jumping in soon when things slow down a bit, or I have some extraordinary astral, insightful experience to share - whichever comes first! Deb Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release 9/22/2006 Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release 9/22/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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