Kundalini - Sufi's

[Guest guest]

I have been on another group that is Sufi in origin and I must say

the Sufi are an honorable and very knowledgable path. There are

those that like Evangelicals will attack that which they have little

or no experience with.

 

I have been getting slammed for the practice and awakening of the

Kundalini. Or for its defense.

 

Not by all but certainly by some. It's difficult when you can reach

out and " feel " the true intentions and the walls of protections and

fear that surround people and what they will do to protect their own

personal status quo. Most classical Sufi, it would seem, will not

welcome Kundalini.

 

I write this as a point of disclosure about what it means to have

Kundalini enhanced skillsets. It can be overwhelming. Especially

when ensconced inside a negative environment where anger and fear

and deception are rampant - normal society in other words. Be

advised.

 

I have gone into passion and anger and castigation in response to

some of the members. Though I do continue to walk in forgiveness and

do see their higher natures it seems as if this kind of

communication is normal.

 

It can be very draining though so be aware of this as you go into

your life streams and if you dive in to a heated emotional situation

know that you will feel it stronger than most-so be aware. -

 

[Guest guest]

Chrism,

My philosophy is always to not take things to seriously, particularly

myself.

 

BlessU

Sam

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been on another group that is Sufi in origin and I must say

> the Sufi are an honorable and very knowledgable path. There are

> those that like Evangelicals will attack that which they have little

> or no experience with.

>

> I have been getting slammed for the practice and awakening of the

> Kundalini. Or for its defense.

>

> Not by all but certainly by some. It's difficult when you can reach

> out and " feel " the true intentions and the walls of protections and

> fear that surround people and what they will do to protect their own

> personal status quo. Most classical Sufi, it would seem, will not

> welcome Kundalini.

>

> I write this as a point of disclosure about what it means to have

> Kundalini enhanced skillsets. It can be overwhelming. Especially

> when ensconced inside a negative environment where anger and fear

> and deception are rampant - normal society in other words. Be

> advised.

>

> I have gone into passion and anger and castigation in response to

> some of the members. Though I do continue to walk in forgiveness and

> do see their higher natures it seems as if this kind of

> communication is normal.

>

> It can be very draining though so be aware of this as you go into

> your life streams and if you dive in to a heated emotional situation

> know that you will feel it stronger than most-so be aware. -

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I write this as a point of disclosure about what it means to have

> Kundalini enhanced skillsets. It can be overwhelming. Especially

> when ensconced inside a negative environment where anger and fear

> and deception are rampant - normal society in other words. Be

> advised.

chrism - it's not so surprising to me that mention of the Kundalini is

met with such a degree of consternation. I tend to agree with Jung's

assessment that Kundalini completes the quaternary (turns the 3 into

the 4), introducing a " missing " element wholly necessary to psychic

equilibrium, though not to the trinity in itself, per se. the

archetype (as with the coming of any archetype) would arise

spontaneously [in the unconscious dynamics, individually and/or

collectively] so it's natural to meet that unknown with FUD (fear,

uncertainty, doubt) and of course anger. then again 2000 years ago,

that is how Christianity was received by the pagans so it shouldn't be

surprising that the pendulum (nor the sword) swings both ways... like

it or not we are on the edge of a major dynamic vector.

 

:-)

-brian

[Guest guest]

Yes Sam good advice. - Sam <dallyup52 wrote: Chrism,My philosophy is always to not take things to seriously, particularlymyself.BlessUSam , "chrism"<> wrote:>> I have been on another group that is Sufi in origin and I must say > the Sufi are an honorable and very knowledgable path. There

are > those that like Evangelicals will attack that which they have little > or no experience with. > > I have been getting slammed for the practice and awakening of the > Kundalini. Or for its defense.> > Not by all but certainly by some. It's difficult when you can reach > out and "feel" the true intentions and the walls of protections and > fear that surround people and what they will do to protect their own > personal status quo. Most classical Sufi, it would seem, will not > welcome Kundalini. > > I write this as a point of disclosure about what it means to have > Kundalini enhanced skillsets. It can be overwhelming. Especially > when ensconced inside a negative environment where anger and fear > and deception are rampant - normal society in other words. Be > advised. > > I have gone into passion and anger and castigation in response to

> some of the members. Though I do continue to walk in forgiveness and > do see their higher natures it seems as if this kind of > communication is normal. > > It can be very draining though so be aware of this as you go into > your life streams and if you dive in to a heated emotional situation > know that you will feel it stronger than most-so be aware. - > >

[Guest guest]

Greetings Chrism, Everyone,

 

I'm sorry to hear of your recent experiences regarding this subject

matter. However, I have discovered, if it's any consolation,

regardless of belief, philosophy or religion, people will act

dishonorable - which happens to goes against the said belief system.

I've always found that odd.

 

 

In regards to Sufism, I adore the belief system. In particular,

Hazrat Inayat Khan's wisdom is amazing for anyone seeking additional

truths. Just briefly: The philosophy of Universal Sufism revolves

around a unity of all people and religions, as well as the ability to

find beauty in all things.

 

I can see the turmoil in relation to some who practice the Sufi ways.

Sufism is about the focus on God and to let enlightment follow

naturally. So thus, attempting to wake etc the kundalini would be

considered the wrong focus. It is my understanding that after the

enlightment steps are taken THEN the kundalini awareness happens and

is a result of such balanced unfoldments of spiritual endeavors..

 

 

To remedy this interesting dilemma, perhaps the kundalini exercises

could be practiced with God as the primary focus.

 

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An excerpts from The Golden Sufi Center:

 

There are no such things as a royal road to God. Rubbish! Every

method is equally good. Zen method is good, kundalini method is the

same, raja yoga, all of them will lead you if you are sincere and if

you do it, do it. If you don't do it, well, no method will help.

 

We must imagine that we go deep within ourselves. Deeper and deeper

and quite deep. There we must find this place, where there is

stillness, peace and above all love. God is love, the human being is

all love, only the human has forgotten it long ago.

 

 

How is kundalini approached on this path?

 

" In the yoga of the heart, the kundalini awakens gently; one doesn't

notice it at first. One becomes aware of it only when it has already

reached the heart chakra; then one feels peace, release, great

gladness, and much love. Before that, kundalini is awakened so gently

that one doesn't even notice it. Kundalini can only be awakened

through deep meditation that just happens by itself. To meditate in

order to awaken kundalini is, I think, to pick up the wrong end of

the stick. The energy called kundalini is earth energy. It's

considered to be feminine and is the same energy that is at the

center of every atom. This energy is absolutely necessary to reach

reality. "

 

 

 

http://www.goldensufi.org/A-YogaandLife.html

http://www.goldensufi.org/A-YogaoftheHeart.html

 

 

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Also to share this which may help in understanding -

 

Man gets acquainted with the lataif one by one by Muraqaba (Sufi

Meditation), Dhikr (Remembrance of God) and purification of one's

psyche from negative thoughts, emotions, and actions. Loving God and

one's fellow, irrespective of his race, religion or nationality, and

without consideration for any possible reward, is the key to

ascension according to Sufis.

 

These six " organs " or faculties: Nafs, Qalb, Ruh, Sirr, Khafi &

Akhfa, and the purificative activities applied to them, contain the

basic orthodox Sufi philosophy. The purification of the elementary

passionate nature (Tazkiya-I-Nafs), followed by cleansing of the

spiritual heart so that it may acquire a mirror-like purity of

reflection (Tazkiya-I-Qalb) and become the receptacle of God's love

(Ishq), illumination of the spirit (Tajjali-I-Ruh) fortified by

emptying of egoic drives (Taqliyya-I-Sirr) and remembrance of God's

attributes (Dhikr), and completion of journey with purification of

the last two faculties, Khafi & Akhfa. Through these " organs " or

faculties and the transformative results from their activation, the

basic Sufi psychology is outlined and bears some resemblance to the

schemata of kabbalah, but the resemblance to the tantric chakra

system is misleading, since the Sufi psychology does not operate with

anything equivalent to the esoteric energy physiology of Kundalini.

 

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Sufism

 

 

 

~ Keep looking up, within and without ~

 

 

Love and Light,

StarStuffs

[Guest guest]

How can anything spiritual be done with out a focus on

God, however we perceive it. kundalini is God, all is

God, whatever we do, however we do it, it's all God.

When I do my activation, it's for God and all

humanity.

Even if I was not aware of it it would still be the

same, as God created everything and everything is God.

Just some thoughts, much love starstuff,

 

Elektra x x x

 

--- StarStuffs <starstuffs wrote:

 

> Greetings Chrism, Everyone,

>

> I'm sorry to hear of your recent experiences

> regarding this subject

> matter. However, I have discovered, if it's any

> consolation,

> regardless of belief, philosophy or religion, people

> will act

> dishonorable - which happens to goes against the

> said belief system.

> I've always found that odd.

>

>

> In regards to Sufism, I adore the belief system. In

> particular,

> Hazrat Inayat Khan's wisdom is amazing for anyone

> seeking additional

> truths. Just briefly: The philosophy of Universal

> Sufism revolves

> around a unity of all people and religions, as well

> as the ability to

> find beauty in all things.

>

> I can see the turmoil in relation to some who

> practice the Sufi ways.

> Sufism is about the focus on God and to let

> enlightment follow

> naturally. So thus, attempting to wake etc the

> kundalini would be

> considered the wrong focus. It is my understanding

> that after the

> enlightment steps are taken THEN the kundalini

> awareness happens and

> is a result of such balanced unfoldments of

> spiritual endeavors..

>

>

> To remedy this interesting dilemma, perhaps the

> kundalini exercises

> could be practiced with God as the primary focus.

>

> -----------

>

> An excerpts from The Golden Sufi Center:

>

> There are no such things as a royal road to God.

> Rubbish! Every

> method is equally good. Zen method is good,

> kundalini method is the

> same, raja yoga, all of them will lead you if you

> are sincere and if

> you do it, do it. If you don't do it, well, no

> method will help.

>

> We must imagine that we go deep within ourselves.

> Deeper and deeper

> and quite deep. There we must find this place, where

> there is

> stillness, peace and above all love. God is love,

> the human being is

> all love, only the human has forgotten it long ago.

>

>

> How is kundalini approached on this path?

>

> " In the yoga of the heart, the kundalini awakens

> gently; one doesn't

> notice it at first. One becomes aware of it only

> when it has already

> reached the heart chakra; then one feels peace,

> release, great

> gladness, and much love. Before that, kundalini is

> awakened so gently

> that one doesn't even notice it. Kundalini can only

> be awakened

> through deep meditation that just happens by itself.

> To meditate in

> order to awaken kundalini is, I think, to pick up

> the wrong end of

> the stick. The energy called kundalini is earth

> energy. It's

> considered to be feminine and is the same energy

> that is at the

> center of every atom. This energy is absolutely

> necessary to reach

> reality. "

>

>

>

> http://www.goldensufi.org/A-YogaandLife.html

> http://www.goldensufi.org/A-YogaoftheHeart.html

>

>

> -----------

>

> Also to share this which may help in understanding -

>

> Man gets acquainted with the lataif one by one by

> Muraqaba (Sufi

> Meditation), Dhikr (Remembrance of God) and

> purification of one's

> psyche from negative thoughts, emotions, and

> actions. Loving God and

> one's fellow, irrespective of his race, religion or

> nationality, and

> without consideration for any possible reward, is

> the key to

> ascension according to Sufis.

>

> These six " organs " or faculties: Nafs, Qalb, Ruh,

> Sirr, Khafi &

> Akhfa, and the purificative activities applied to

> them, contain the

> basic orthodox Sufi philosophy. The purification of

> the elementary

> passionate nature (Tazkiya-I-Nafs), followed by

> cleansing of the

> spiritual heart so that it may acquire a mirror-like

> purity of

> reflection (Tazkiya-I-Qalb) and become the

> receptacle of God's love

> (Ishq), illumination of the spirit (Tajjali-I-Ruh)

> fortified by

> emptying of egoic drives (Taqliyya-I-Sirr) and

> remembrance of God's

> attributes (Dhikr), and completion of journey with

> purification of

> the last two faculties, Khafi & Akhfa. Through these

> " organs " or

> faculties and the transformative results from their

> activation, the

> basic Sufi psychology is outlined and bears some

> resemblance to the

> schemata of kabbalah, but the resemblance to the

> tantric chakra

> system is misleading, since the Sufi psychology does

> not operate with

> anything equivalent to the esoteric energy

> physiology of Kundalini.

>

> http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Sufism

>

>

>

> ~ Keep looking up, within and without ~

>

>

> Love and Light,

> StarStuffs