Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Hello Dear- I want to write a few words about the onset of the ecstatic experience. Sometimes it is completely spontaneous but usually I am trying to tease it out of me, to elicit it in a way. This is the practice of doing my artwork. What is noteworthy about this endeavor is that the results of the experience are not linearly connected in a logical manner to the ways they are elicited. As an example a certain way of relaxing and focusing on my lower torso may enhance my perception of my surroundings, but a focus on my surroundings will not lead me to the same results. For me to reach an experience of bliss and unitive love by attempting to cultivate love for all things doesn't make much sense. This linear approach isn't founded by my experience. Although this may be counter intuitive I trust my deeper intuition in following how this works for me. I would extrapolate from this that the transcendent doesn't come by degrees but is a jump into another form. Chrism has reminded me though that one's way may not be reflected in another's and an attempt to cultivate transcendence through a deep commitment of cultivating the fullest love possible may be a functional personal symbol and a trigger for another individual. However I would not agree that this is " the way. " All this works well with the energy model of Kundalini for me which I have been resistant to. The efforts are really to release and move something somehow substantive which in itself gives the response of transcendence to the one who moves it and not in trying to find transcendence in oneself. And in this the effort to love may be seen as a way of reducing the resistance to the movement so that what moves will give what it has to offer to the individual that is making way for it to move. I hope this makes sense. A BIG KISS-- Bret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Dear Brett, I have found that my blissful states (of which I've had maybe 3 so far) seem to expand as I feel more love or gratitude in my heart, or when my mind stops and I just open and surrender. I was having one last night. It's a bit like how it feels to have sex from a womans point of veiw , but instead of it being a root area opening and surrender, it's a full body one. Most interesting sensation. Is this similar to what you feel? Or is it different? I find it invaluable to read of yours and others experiences. Thankyou x Love Elektra x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Hello Elektra Dear- I cannot say if it is like sex from a woman's point of view having never been a woman in recent memory, but at times it has the feeling of being orgasmic. Sometimes it is full body and sometimes it is in my spine or sacrum. Sometimes it is like an intense shock to my system, pleasurable and painful, full of awe and panic, having intense wonder at something vast opening but fearful at the disorientation that view gives. It never is quite the same and I suppose there are layers and various aspects to it, different things to learn at different times. The degree of gratitude that pours out at the experience is amazing, but not always the same. Love and compassion comes strongly as well but not as intense as the feeling of gratitude can be. And when it fades I know that I cannot cultivate this by my own little efforts. What thankfulness I can conjure in my life is pale compared to that intense moment and the waning moments after. And I accept this because it is the way it is and to expect it so readily would be an incredible burden to put on myself. If I find I eventually that I find the way to ready access to this experience then it will then be as it is and not because I expect it. I have also noticed a couple of times like you say that it follows thoughts of love, but this was in facing ones to whom I already had much affection. Love and surrender may be very similar in effect on the individual, a loosening that allows the movement to come as it will on its own. I had a funny little thought, take it as you will. Love is divine resistance in the moment of disintegration. Kiss Bret , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > Dear Brett, > > I have found that my blissful states (of which I've > had maybe 3 so far) seem to expand as I feel more love > or gratitude in my heart, or when my mind stops and I > just open and surrender. > > I was having one last night. It's a bit like how it > feels to have sex from a womans point of veiw , but > instead of it being a root area opening and surrender, > it's a full body one. Most interesting sensation. > > Is this similar to what you feel? Or is it different? > > I find it invaluable to read of yours and others > experiences. Thankyou x > > Love Elektra x x x > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Hi Brett, I had to laugh, when I realised what I wrote, of course you are not in a female body, perhaps a female body is more created for surrender during sex then the male. That was what I was expressing, hee hee. I'm laughing.... I have been having a day of major blissful, orgasmic waves, all day yesterday. I know what you are talking about, I can't bring them on, they just come randomly. But always at the right moment when I can fully embrace them. Blessings to u, Elektra x x x --- bretarenson <bretarenson wrote: > Hello Elektra Dear- > > I cannot say if it is like sex from a woman's point > of view having never been a woman in > recent memory, but at times it has the feeling of > being orgasmic. Sometimes it is full body > and sometimes it is in my spine or sacrum. Sometimes > it is like an intense shock to my > system, pleasurable and painful, full of awe and > panic, having intense wonder at > something vast opening but fearful at the > disorientation that view gives. It never is quite > the same and I suppose there are layers and various > aspects to it, different things to learn > at different times. > > The degree of gratitude that pours out at the > experience is amazing, but not always the > same. Love and compassion comes strongly as well but > not as intense as the feeling of > gratitude can be. And when it fades I know that I > cannot cultivate this by my own little > efforts. What thankfulness I can conjure in my life > is pale compared to that intense > moment and the waning moments after. And I accept > this because it is the way it is and to > expect it so readily would be an incredible burden > to put on myself. If I find I eventually > that I find the way to ready access to this > experience then it will then be as it is and not > because I expect it. > > I have also noticed a couple of times like you say > that it follows thoughts of love, but this > was in facing ones to whom I already had much > affection. Love and surrender may be very > similar in effect on the individual, a loosening > that allows the movement to come as it will > on its own. > > I had a funny little thought, take it as you will. > Love is divine resistance in the moment of > disintegration. > > Kiss Bret > > --- In > , > Elektra Fire <elektra.fire > wrote: > > > > Dear Brett, > > > > I have found that my blissful states (of which > I've > > had maybe 3 so far) seem to expand as I feel more > love > > or gratitude in my heart, or when my mind stops > and I > > just open and surrender. > > > > I was having one last night. It's a bit like how > it > > feels to have sex from a womans point of veiw , > but > > instead of it being a root area opening and > surrender, > > it's a full body one. Most interesting sensation. > > > > Is this similar to what you feel? Or is it > different? > > > > I find it invaluable to read of yours and others > > experiences. Thankyou x > > > > Love Elektra x x x > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Great Elektra! That must have been a nice day. Did it tire you? I think my most protracted bliss experience (but perhaps not my most intense) was when I was painting. At one point it seemed the response to my prayer stopped coming. It was like it became just words and I had forgotten who to approach it the same internally. I was very saddened to see this little death which before was consistently generative. Then I thought of these words " Boy, why do you cry? I see the birth of everything, I see the death of everything, there is nothing to do but cry. " And was crying as well, perhaps while these words were being formed in my mind. Every time I repeated this little poem to myself this I could again experience what it was saying and began to cry again. Birth and death may have been a metaphor to the ongoing and rapid psychological flux of perception, desire, conception, orientation or what not, but I was certainly experiencing it directly. I think I was going through this for about a half hour and then had to let it go as it was too intense for me to continue. Kiss Bret , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > Hi Brett, > I had to laugh, when I realised what I wrote, of > course you are not in a female body, perhaps a female > body is more created for surrender during sex then the > male. That was what I was expressing, hee hee. > I'm laughing.... > > I have been having a day of major blissful, orgasmic > waves, all day yesterday. > I know what you are talking about, I can't bring them > on, they just come randomly. But always at the right > moment when I can fully embrace them. > > Blessings to u, > Elektra x x x > > --- bretarenson <bretarenson wrote: > > > Hello Elektra Dear- > > > > I cannot say if it is like sex from a woman's point > > of view having never been a woman in > > recent memory, but at times it has the feeling of > > being orgasmic. Sometimes it is full body > > and sometimes it is in my spine or sacrum. Sometimes > > it is like an intense shock to my > > system, pleasurable and painful, full of awe and > > panic, having intense wonder at > > something vast opening but fearful at the > > disorientation that view gives. It never is quite > > the same and I suppose there are layers and various > > aspects to it, different things to learn > > at different times. > > > > The degree of gratitude that pours out at the > > experience is amazing, but not always the > > same. Love and compassion comes strongly as well but > > not as intense as the feeling of > > gratitude can be. And when it fades I know that I > > cannot cultivate this by my own little > > efforts. What thankfulness I can conjure in my life > > is pale compared to that intense > > moment and the waning moments after. And I accept > > this because it is the way it is and to > > expect it so readily would be an incredible burden > > to put on myself. If I find I eventually > > that I find the way to ready access to this > > experience then it will then be as it is and not > > because I expect it. > > > > I have also noticed a couple of times like you say > > that it follows thoughts of love, but this > > was in facing ones to whom I already had much > > affection. Love and surrender may be very > > similar in effect on the individual, a loosening > > that allows the movement to come as it will > > on its own. > > > > I had a funny little thought, take it as you will. > > Love is divine resistance in the moment of > > disintegration. > > > > Kiss Bret > > > > --- In > > , > > Elektra Fire <elektra.fire@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Brett, > > > > > > I have found that my blissful states (of which > > I've > > > had maybe 3 so far) seem to expand as I feel more > > love > > > or gratitude in my heart, or when my mind stops > > and I > > > just open and surrender. > > > > > > I was having one last night. It's a bit like how > > it > > > feels to have sex from a womans point of veiw , > > but > > > instead of it being a root area opening and > > surrender, > > > it's a full body one. Most interesting sensation. > > > > > > Is this similar to what you feel? Or is it > > different? > > > > > > I find it invaluable to read of yours and others > > > experiences. Thankyou x > > > > > > Love Elektra x x x > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hi Brett, It didn't tire me, it gave me energy. They were not all day at maximum (or the maximum that I can withstand right now), they would buzz away in the back ground just subtley tingling away, then suddenly a wave would gently whizz up my spine, then I would meditate and have more intense sensations, everything I was doing was stimulating it, I was doing alot of creative things also which just increased it. I was beginning to feel like a giant vibrator walking around.... LOL I have had immense inner joy during it all and much releasing. At times I was thinking , oh oh I'm really going to do this activation sh*t and ascend or something, feeling on the very edge looking in. Catching my breath and my hat and saying ok, lets take it all the way, yippee. The fear is definitely subsiding... I feel like a surfer, an energy surfer, the more I let go, the more the waves just carry me. Love Elektra x x x --- bretarenson <bretarenson wrote: > Great Elektra! That must have been a nice day. Did > it tire you? > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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