Guest guest Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Dear and Bondzai In defense: It was not an accusation that no one can rebuff and I offer any one who I upset or in appropriately disgrace to do so then I don't mind forwarding an apology with and retract my statement. I love people to let me know when I am wrong! Isn't that surrender, isn't that forgiveness. In actual fact it wasn't an accusation as much as it was a presumption. If my intuition is wrong the let me apologies now, though if I am write you owe me one. I have got enough samskaras to contend with as anyone else I don't see my self one as better or worse on the excrement topic. There are a lot of things I do not wish to go into on this list it is more of a personal Endeavour to separate what may be considered spiritual studies from material world understandings, I know in reality you cannot separate them as one works in with the other though for the purpose of this group I try and not allow those matters to impede on each other, I try and keep the subject matter on the interests of you and the group, It is frustrating at times and in those times I take a rest and refrain. Dear Bondzai There are times I get on a thread of a thought and just allow for it to follow though, it has no intention to hurt or maim. I woke up feeling well this morning thinking I had clear intentions and insights, I did not know if you were having a shot at me, or what you were asking so I described how I see all the ongoing deceptions to be, then wondered if you were coming from as I was posting a lot on this thread and I thought I was explaining it well. If you have a question on what I have said please phrase it properly so that I might be able to try and answer it adequately. I am truly not a mind reader as such, nor wish to become one on that level. I have bee reading and studying this stuff for a long time it is very easy for me to forget what was going in my head 30 years ago. I remember going to judo stoned and yoga classes stoned I thought it was a big joke until I woke up and it didn't take me long. So don't think that I am taking the….. out of you, please! I don't know any thing about you and I was quite confused what you were asking, forgive me and explain what you meant. I deal in a lot of things as where as motives are not clear. And I am in the process of training in discernment. I still have a lot to learn. John M. , chrism <> wrote: > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the excrement analogy is there something that you wish to discuss here that hasn't been and it has been frustrating you? I don't know as you focus a bit more on the classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though I'm reasonably sure the vedics kept some distance from the excretorial aspects in their discussions. I could be wrong about that though. > > The clarity issue is something to consider though. Yes I agree with you clarity is important for the sender and the reader. Spell check is a great resource and yes I am sooo guilty of bad spelling. But when you write, it is much appreciated " for clarity " that the words be understandable and following a form of logic or line of reasoning that we all can partake of. Your opinions are valued and appreciated and you have extensive knowledge and experience, so it is important to be clear in your words and phrases that understandings do not erupt this way. > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an opportunity to come up to speed on your particular systems and information. So perhaps we should allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the " stoned " accusation. This isn't like you. At least not as I have seen you here on this list. > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve this space, here on this list, where we can discuss openly and with politeness and consideration what experiences and or what questions come to mind without fear of getting whacked. > > Many other lists do not honor these arrangements but this one does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > johndplumber <jaganath wrote: > It is not about my or your buttons it is about our buttons. > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would appreciate it if your > question was a bit clearer and I don't have to try and read your mind. > There is just a muddy dirty smelly garb of stale green murky water > with turds floating about because there are not enough amoebic > bacteria around to absorb it before more is excreted. I have a desire > to raise above it expose it to sunlight so that the UV rays might put > a little more understanding into the collective mind and giving a bit > of fresh air. > > Only in the personal aspect are we individuals, don't you remember > coming up to get a breath of fresh air and seeing the blue skies above > the canopy of the trees a new hope and something that seems to be > enlightening. Have you ever come up from hiding about murky waters of > fear and desperation? > > I do remember breathing fresh air blue skies, Bondzai don't you. > Is it you want me to go running around proclaiming that the sky is > falling? I won't because I do not believe that. Please came answers my > questions when your not stoned to see if you may push an other button, > because you might get a completely different reply. > John M. > > , " bondzai " > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, when > > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the program > > is, what happens etc... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 No worries John, and thank you for the clarity of your communication. I cannot speak for Bondzai. He also is Kundalini active. He may or may not comment. Makes it hard for folks to respond if they feel they are going to get snapped at. Im not sure that challenging a person you may have wronged to " say it aint so! " is surrendering and seeking foregivness but it certainly is pointing in that direction. Heh! And if I am interjecting inappropriatly then I will most certainly extend to you both a heartfelt and public apology. - blessings John & Bondzai - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Hey it is ok thanks Chris Some times just things go though my head that by doing certain things to help how ever I may be wrong. Presumptions and accusations are placed unfairly all the time and it is wrong, But it happens and if it is a lawyer that does it and you can expect that they will, during some time in ones life. If you don't know how to rebut it or not be able to give a reasonable explanation in writing of why your doing it is acceptance of the claim. Accepting any subjection to an assumption in a non response, may well imply you have done what they claim, and that you're at fault weather you have done it or not. In reality; who has got the rules over anyone! Who has he right to say what a person can do or not! If I wish to smoke I will smoke I f I want a drink I will drink if I do something wrong and get accused of it then so what has it got to do with them or anyone unless I have done injury or harm to another. It is my karma and it is up to me to make it write. I believe if we take conscious responsibility for ourselves we can defeat all man made laws on rebuking claims but can only do that before the court case because the court is only a place of settlement. Truly it is none of any bodies business what any one does unless they wish to share the information. If any one smokes or not it doesn't matter, kricky a joint or a bong goes around this house every day it doesn't worry me. Loll there 3 guys drunk in the kitchen now I wouldn't be surprised if a joints being passed. Like you know the guy I am sharing the house believes he needs to, He has also had I believe was a k awakening he says he has knight mare without a something to calm him down. I have no authority to tell him to stop nor would he listen to me, yet we are helping one another out. Occasionally I will sit and have a drink with him and have tried his hash cookies and have used his over cookie butter for spaghetti sauce and I am off my face for three days. Geez the kundalini goes berserk I just can't get involved with it. I don't know how people do it. If my presumptions are out of place I am the one that is sorry; especially if I don't get a rebuttal. John Mathieson , " chrism " <> wrote: > > No worries John, and thank you for the clarity of your communication. > I cannot speak for Bondzai. He also is Kundalini active. He may or may > not comment. Makes it hard for folks to respond if they feel they are > going to get snapped at. > > Im not sure that challenging a person you may have wronged to " say it > aint so! " is surrendering and seeking foregivness but it certainly is > pointing in that direction. Heh! And if I am interjecting > inappropriatly then I will most certainly extend to you both a > heartfelt and public apology. - blessings John & Bondzai - chrism > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Sorry John, it wasn't about you but about Samskaras in general. We all have them though. Another name is Karmashaya. It is the storehouse of Karma in the sushumna nadi which is the main channel the Kundalini traverses in. The purpose of Kundalini is purgation of the karma or samskaras in the nadis. In modern day terms it is buttons and stuff. Say like strike a nerve. The enlightened person is the one who has his stuff cleared out, his samskaras removed to the point he is not easily affected but pretty much accepts everything, is content and unperturbed. Nirvana = Unperturbed. Most of us are like a storehouse of buttons and stuff instead of peace and contentment, I know I am. A zen teacher I respect, Cheri Huber says, " Pay attention to everything, Assume nothing and Don't take any of it personally " . A person who is unaware does not realize their buttons are being pushed because they are not paying attention and their false beliefs (samskaras) (stinking thinking) is running their life instead of awareness and a right mind. Thats how I look at Karma anyway. Paul -- In , chrism <> wrote: > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the excrement analogy is there something that you wish to discuss here that hasn't been and it has been frustrating you? I don't know as you focus a bit more on the classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though I'm reasonably sure the vedics kept some distance from the excretorial aspects in their discussions. I could be wrong about that though. > > The clarity issue is something to consider though. Yes I agree with you clarity is important for the sender and the reader. Spell check is a great resource and yes I am sooo guilty of bad spelling. But when you write, it is much appreciated " for clarity " that the words be understandable and following a form of logic or line of reasoning that we all can partake of. Your opinions are valued and appreciated and you have extensive knowledge and experience, so it is important to be clear in your words and phrases that understandings do not erupt this way. > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an opportunity to come up to speed on your particular systems and information. So perhaps we should allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the " stoned " accusation. This isn't like you. At least not as I have seen you here on this list. > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve this space, here on this list, where we can discuss openly and with politeness and consideration what experiences and or what questions come to mind without fear of getting whacked. > > Many other lists do not honor these arrangements but this one does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > johndplumber <jaganath wrote: > It is not about my or your buttons it is about our buttons. > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would appreciate it if your > question was a bit clearer and I don't have to try and read your mind. > There is just a muddy dirty smelly garb of stale green murky water > with turds floating about because there are not enough amoebic > bacteria around to absorb it before more is excreted. I have a desire > to raise above it expose it to sunlight so that the UV rays might put > a little more understanding into the collective mind and giving a bit > of fresh air. > > Only in the personal aspect are we individuals, don't you remember > coming up to get a breath of fresh air and seeing the blue skies above > the canopy of the trees a new hope and something that seems to be > enlightening. Have you ever come up from hiding about murky waters of > fear and desperation? > > I do remember breathing fresh air blue skies, Bondzai don't you. > Is it you want me to go running around proclaiming that the sky is > falling? I won't because I do not believe that. Please came answers my > questions when your not stoned to see if you may push an other button, > because you might get a completely different reply. > John M. > > , " bondzai " > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, when > > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the program > > is, what happens etc... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 John, no I didn't write anything about you. I was just trying to help out the lady who asked about what is a samskara. Paul , " johndplumber " <jaganath wrote: > > Dear and Bondzai > In defense: > It was not an accusation that no one can rebuff and I offer any one > who I upset or in appropriately disgrace to do so then I don't mind > forwarding an apology with and retract my statement. I love people > to let me know when I am wrong! Isn't that surrender, isn't that > forgiveness. In actual fact it wasn't an accusation as much as it > was a presumption. If my intuition is wrong the let me apologies > now, though if I am write you owe me one. I have got enough > samskaras to contend with as anyone else I don't see my self one as > better or worse on the excrement topic. There are a lot of things I > do not wish to go into on this list it is more of a personal > Endeavour to separate what may be considered spiritual studies from > material world understandings, I know in reality you cannot separate > them as one works in with the other though for the purpose of this > group I try and not allow those matters to impede on each other, I > try and keep the subject matter on the interests of you and the > group, It is frustrating at times and in those times I take a rest > and refrain. > > > Dear Bondzai > There are times I get on a thread of a thought and just allow for it > to follow though, it has no intention to hurt or maim. I woke up > feeling well this morning thinking I had clear intentions and > insights, I did not know if you were having a shot at me, or what > you were asking so I described how I see all the ongoing deceptions > to be, then wondered if you were coming from as I was posting a lot > on this thread and I thought I was explaining it well. If you have a > question on what I have said please phrase it properly so that I > might be able to try and answer it adequately. I am truly not a mind > reader as such, nor wish to become one on that level. I have bee > reading and studying this stuff for a long time it is very easy for > me to forget what was going in my head 30 years ago. I remember > going to judo stoned and yoga classes stoned I thought it was a big > joke until I woke up and it didn't take me long. So don't think that > I am taking the….. out of you, please! I don't know any thing about > you and I was quite confused what you were asking, forgive me and > explain what you meant. I deal in a lot of things as where as > motives are not clear. And I am in the process of training in > discernment. I still have a lot to learn. > > > John M. > > > > > , chrism > <@> wrote: > > > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the excrement analogy is > there something that you wish to discuss here that hasn't been and > it has been frustrating you? I don't know as you focus a bit more on > the classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though I'm reasonably > sure the vedics kept some distance from the excretorial aspects in > their discussions. I could be wrong about that though. > > > > The clarity issue is something to consider though. Yes I agree > with you clarity is important for the sender and the reader. Spell > check is a great resource and yes I am sooo guilty of bad spelling. > But when you write, it is much appreciated " for clarity " that the > words be understandable and following a form of logic or line of > reasoning that we all can partake of. Your opinions are valued and > appreciated and you have extensive knowledge and experience, so it > is important to be clear in your words and phrases that > understandings do not erupt this way. > > > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an opportunity to come up to > speed on your particular systems and information. So perhaps we > should allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the " stoned " > accusation. This isn't like you. At least not as I have seen you > here on this list. > > > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve this space, here on > this list, where we can discuss openly and with politeness and > consideration what experiences and or what questions come to mind > without fear of getting whacked. > > > > Many other lists do not honor these arrangements but this one > does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > > > johndplumber <jaganath@> wrote: > > It is not about my or your buttons it is about our > buttons. > > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would appreciate it if your > > question was a bit clearer and I don't have to try and read your > mind. > > There is just a muddy dirty smelly garb of stale green murky water > > with turds floating about because there are not enough amoebic > > bacteria around to absorb it before more is excreted. I have a > desire > > to raise above it expose it to sunlight so that the UV rays might > put > > a little more understanding into the collective mind and giving a > bit > > of fresh air. > > > > Only in the personal aspect are we individuals, don't you remember > > coming up to get a breath of fresh air and seeing the blue skies > above > > the canopy of the trees a new hope and something that seems to be > > enlightening. Have you ever come up from hiding about murky waters > of > > fear and desperation? > > > > I do remember breathing fresh air blue skies, Bondzai don't you. > > Is it you want me to go running around proclaiming that the sky is > > falling? I won't because I do not believe that. Please came > answers my > > questions when your not stoned to see if you may push an other > button, > > because you might get a completely different reply. > > John M. > > > > , " bondzai " > > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > > > > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, > when > > > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the > program > > > is, what happens etc... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Thankyou Paul for your exsplaination it was prety hard to know where you were comming from. I was just thinking about the questions you put; can you answer them? I cant, though i am not a Zen Teacher, I would not qualify nor do i want to as yet. John M , " bondzai " <bondzai wrote: > > Sorry John, it wasn't about you but about Samskaras in general. We > all have them though. Another name is Karmashaya. It is the > storehouse of Karma in the sushumna nadi which is the main channel the > Kundalini traverses in. The purpose of Kundalini is purgation of the > karma or samskaras in the nadis. In modern day terms it is buttons > and stuff. Say like strike a nerve. The enlightened person is the > one who has his stuff cleared out, his samskaras removed to the point > he is not easily affected but pretty much accepts everything, is > content and unperturbed. Nirvana = Unperturbed. > > Most of us are like a storehouse of buttons and stuff instead of peace > and contentment, I know I am. A zen teacher I respect, Cheri Huber > says, " Pay attention to everything, Assume nothing and Don't take any > of it personally " . A person who is unaware does not realize their > buttons are being pushed because they are not paying attention and > their false beliefs (samskaras) (stinking thinking) is running their > life instead of awareness and a right mind. > > Thats how I look at Karma anyway. > > Paul > > > -- In , chrism > <@> wrote: > > > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the excrement analogy is > there something that you wish to discuss here that hasn't been and it > has been frustrating you? I don't know as you focus a bit more on the > classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though I'm reasonably sure the > vedics kept some distance from the excretorial aspects in their > discussions. I could be wrong about that though. > > > > The clarity issue is something to consider though. Yes I agree > with you clarity is important for the sender and the reader. Spell > check is a great resource and yes I am sooo guilty of bad spelling. > But when you write, it is much appreciated " for clarity " that the > words be understandable and following a form of logic or line of > reasoning that we all can partake of. Your opinions are valued and > appreciated and you have extensive knowledge and experience, so it is > important to be clear in your words and phrases that understandings do > not erupt this way. > > > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an opportunity to come up to > speed on your particular systems and information. So perhaps we should > allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the " stoned " accusation. This > isn't like you. At least not as I have seen you here on this list. > > > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve this space, here on this > list, where we can discuss openly and with politeness and > consideration what experiences and or what questions come to mind > without fear of getting whacked. > > > > Many other lists do not honor these arrangements but this one > does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > > > johndplumber <jaganath@> wrote: > > It is not about my or your buttons it is about our buttons. > > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would appreciate it if your > > question was a bit clearer and I don't have to try and read your mind. > > There is just a muddy dirty smelly garb of stale green murky water > > with turds floating about because there are not enough amoebic > > bacteria around to absorb it before more is excreted. I have a desire > > to raise above it expose it to sunlight so that the UV rays might put > > a little more understanding into the collective mind and giving a bit > > of fresh air. > > > > Only in the personal aspect are we individuals, don't you remember > > coming up to get a breath of fresh air and seeing the blue skies above > > the canopy of the trees a new hope and something that seems to be > > enlightening. Have you ever come up from hiding about murky waters of > > fear and desperation? > > > > I do remember breathing fresh air blue skies, Bondzai don't you. > > Is it you want me to go running around proclaiming that the sky is > > falling? I won't because I do not believe that. Please came answers my > > questions when your not stoned to see if you may push an other button, > > because you might get a completely different reply. > > John M. > > > > , " bondzai " > > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > > > > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, when > > > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the program > > > is, what happens etc... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Thankyou again I do understand John , " bondzai " <bondzai wrote: > > John, no I didn't write anything about you. I was just trying to help > out the lady who asked about what is a samskara. > > Paul > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " johndplumber " > <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > Dear and Bondzai > > In defense: > > It was not an accusation that no one can rebuff and I offer any one > > who I upset or in appropriately disgrace to do so then I don't mind > > forwarding an apology with and retract my statement. I love people > > to let me know when I am wrong! Isn't that surrender, isn't that > > forgiveness. In actual fact it wasn't an accusation as much as it > > was a presumption. If my intuition is wrong the let me apologies > > now, though if I am write you owe me one. I have got enough > > samskaras to contend with as anyone else I don't see my self one as > > better or worse on the excrement topic. There are a lot of things I > > do not wish to go into on this list it is more of a personal > > Endeavour to separate what may be considered spiritual studies from > > material world understandings, I know in reality you cannot separate > > them as one works in with the other though for the purpose of this > > group I try and not allow those matters to impede on each other, I > > try and keep the subject matter on the interests of you and the > > group, It is frustrating at times and in those times I take a rest > > and refrain. > > > > > > Dear Bondzai > > There are times I get on a thread of a thought and just allow for it > > to follow though, it has no intention to hurt or maim. I woke up > > feeling well this morning thinking I had clear intentions and > > insights, I did not know if you were having a shot at me, or what > > you were asking so I described how I see all the ongoing deceptions > > to be, then wondered if you were coming from as I was posting a lot > > on this thread and I thought I was explaining it well. If you have a > > question on what I have said please phrase it properly so that I > > might be able to try and answer it adequately. I am truly not a mind > > reader as such, nor wish to become one on that level. I have bee > > reading and studying this stuff for a long time it is very easy for > > me to forget what was going in my head 30 years ago. I remember > > going to judo stoned and yoga classes stoned I thought it was a big > > joke until I woke up and it didn't take me long. So don't think that > > I am taking the….. out of you, please! I don't know any thing about > > you and I was quite confused what you were asking, forgive me and > > explain what you meant. I deal in a lot of things as where as > > motives are not clear. And I am in the process of training in > > discernment. I still have a lot to learn. > > > > > > John M. > > > > > > > > > > , chrism > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the excrement analogy is > > there something that you wish to discuss here that hasn't been and > > it has been frustrating you? I don't know as you focus a bit more on > > the classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though I'm reasonably > > sure the vedics kept some distance from the excretorial aspects in > > their discussions. I could be wrong about that though. > > > > > > The clarity issue is something to consider though. Yes I agree > > with you clarity is important for the sender and the reader. Spell > > check is a great resource and yes I am sooo guilty of bad spelling. > > But when you write, it is much appreciated " for clarity " that the > > words be understandable and following a form of logic or line of > > reasoning that we all can partake of. Your opinions are valued and > > appreciated and you have extensive knowledge and experience, so it > > is important to be clear in your words and phrases that > > understandings do not erupt this way. > > > > > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an opportunity to come up to > > speed on your particular systems and information. So perhaps we > > should allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the " stoned " > > accusation. This isn't like you. At least not as I have seen you > > here on this list. > > > > > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve this space, here on > > this list, where we can discuss openly and with politeness and > > consideration what experiences and or what questions come to mind > > without fear of getting whacked. > > > > > > Many other lists do not honor these arrangements but this one > > does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > > > > > johndplumber <jaganath@> wrote: > > > It is not about my or your buttons it is about our > > buttons. > > > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would appreciate it if your > > > question was a bit clearer and I don't have to try and read your > > mind. > > > There is just a muddy dirty smelly garb of stale green murky water > > > with turds floating about because there are not enough amoebic > > > bacteria around to absorb it before more is excreted. I have a > > desire > > > to raise above it expose it to sunlight so that the UV rays might > > put > > > a little more understanding into the collective mind and giving a > > bit > > > of fresh air. > > > > > > Only in the personal aspect are we individuals, don't you remember > > > coming up to get a breath of fresh air and seeing the blue skies > > above > > > the canopy of the trees a new hope and something that seems to be > > > enlightening. Have you ever come up from hiding about murky waters > > of > > > fear and desperation? > > > > > > I do remember breathing fresh air blue skies, Bondzai don't you. > > > Is it you want me to go running around proclaiming that the sky is > > > falling? I won't because I do not believe that. Please came > > answers my > > > questions when your not stoned to see if you may push an other > > button, > > > because you might get a completely different reply. > > > John M. > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " bondzai " > > > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > > > > > > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, > > when > > > > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the > > program > > > > is, what happens etc... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Thankyou for helping me understand this Samskara as I've been learning from these lately, being able to see them but not having a name for them. Love Elektra x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 John, I didn't think I asked any questions. Paul , " johndplumber " <jaganath wrote: > > > Thankyou Paul for your exsplaination it was prety hard to know where > you were comming from. I was just thinking about the questions you > put; can you answer them? I cant, though i am not a Zen Teacher, I > would not qualify nor do i want to as yet. > John M > , " bondzai " > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > Sorry John, it wasn't about you but about Samskaras in general. We > > all have them though. Another name is Karmashaya. It is the > > storehouse of Karma in the sushumna nadi which is the main channel > the > > Kundalini traverses in. The purpose of Kundalini is purgation of > the > > karma or samskaras in the nadis. In modern day terms it is buttons > > and stuff. Say like strike a nerve. The enlightened person is the > > one who has his stuff cleared out, his samskaras removed to the > point > > he is not easily affected but pretty much accepts everything, is > > content and unperturbed. Nirvana = Unperturbed. > > > > Most of us are like a storehouse of buttons and stuff instead of > peace > > and contentment, I know I am. A zen teacher I respect, Cheri Huber > > says, " Pay attention to everything, Assume nothing and Don't take > any > > of it personally " . A person who is unaware does not realize their > > buttons are being pushed because they are not paying attention and > > their false beliefs (samskaras) (stinking thinking) is running > their > > life instead of awareness and a right mind. > > > > Thats how I look at Karma anyway. > > > > Paul > > > > > > -- In , chrism > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the excrement analogy is > > there something that you wish to discuss here that hasn't been and > it > > has been frustrating you? I don't know as you focus a bit more on > the > > classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though I'm reasonably sure > the > > vedics kept some distance from the excretorial aspects in their > > discussions. I could be wrong about that though. > > > > > > The clarity issue is something to consider though. Yes I agree > > with you clarity is important for the sender and the reader. Spell > > check is a great resource and yes I am sooo guilty of bad spelling. > > But when you write, it is much appreciated " for clarity " that the > > words be understandable and following a form of logic or line of > > reasoning that we all can partake of. Your opinions are valued and > > appreciated and you have extensive knowledge and experience, so it > is > > important to be clear in your words and phrases that > understandings do > > not erupt this way. > > > > > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an opportunity to come up > to > > speed on your particular systems and information. So perhaps we > should > > allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the " stoned " accusation. > This > > isn't like you. At least not as I have seen you here on this list. > > > > > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve this space, here on > this > > list, where we can discuss openly and with politeness and > > consideration what experiences and or what questions come to mind > > without fear of getting whacked. > > > > > > Many other lists do not honor these arrangements but this one > > does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > > > > > johndplumber <jaganath@> wrote: > > > It is not about my or your buttons it is about our > buttons. > > > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would appreciate it if your > > > question was a bit clearer and I don't have to try and read your > mind. > > > There is just a muddy dirty smelly garb of stale green murky > water > > > with turds floating about because there are not enough amoebic > > > bacteria around to absorb it before more is excreted. I have a > desire > > > to raise above it expose it to sunlight so that the UV rays > might put > > > a little more understanding into the collective mind and giving > a bit > > > of fresh air. > > > > > > Only in the personal aspect are we individuals, don't you > remember > > > coming up to get a breath of fresh air and seeing the blue skies > above > > > the canopy of the trees a new hope and something that seems to > be > > > enlightening. Have you ever come up from hiding about murky > waters of > > > fear and desperation? > > > > > > I do remember breathing fresh air blue skies, Bondzai don't you. > > > Is it you want me to go running around proclaiming that the sky > is > > > falling? I won't because I do not believe that. Please came > answers my > > > questions when your not stoned to see if you may push an other > button, > > > because you might get a completely different reply. > > > John M. > > > > > > , " bondzai " > > > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > > > > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > > > > > > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, > when > > > > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the > program > > > > is, what happens etc... > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 How is that it is without question marks...When is without and exclamation marks...How to me did it ever sound as if it was a question... You have just taught me a valuable lesson, that is not to try and answer exclamations without exclamation marks? Lol...Keep teaching me? I will be a Zen Master in no time? Do Zen teachers answer questions with question Marks... Good on you Paul, its good stuff dont you love it... Just the right thing to push buttons? :-0 John Mathieson How about samskara approximates... your stuff... its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, when the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the program is, what happens etc... , " bondzai " <bondzai wrote: > > John, I didn't think I asked any questions. > Paul > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " johndplumber " > <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > Thankyou Paul for your exsplaination it was prety hard to know where > > you were comming from. I was just thinking about the questions you > > put; can you answer them? I cant, though i am not a Zen Teacher, I > > would not qualify nor do i want to as yet. > > John M > > , " bondzai " > > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry John, it wasn't about you but about Samskaras in general. We > > > all have them though. Another name is Karmashaya. It is the > > > storehouse of Karma in the sushumna nadi which is the main channel > > the > > > Kundalini traverses in. The purpose of Kundalini is purgation of > > the > > > karma or samskaras in the nadis. In modern day terms it is buttons > > > and stuff. Say like strike a nerve. The enlightened person is the > > > one who has his stuff cleared out, his samskaras removed to the > > point > > > he is not easily affected but pretty much accepts everything, is > > > content and unperturbed. Nirvana = Unperturbed. > > > > > > Most of us are like a storehouse of buttons and stuff instead of > > peace > > > and contentment, I know I am. A zen teacher I respect, Cheri Huber > > > says, " Pay attention to everything, Assume nothing and Don't take > > any > > > of it personally " . A person who is unaware does not realize their > > > buttons are being pushed because they are not paying attention and > > > their false beliefs (samskaras) (stinking thinking) is running > > their > > > life instead of awareness and a right mind. > > > > > > Thats how I look at Karma anyway. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > -- In , chrism > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the excrement analogy is > > > there something that you wish to discuss here that hasn't been and > > it > > > has been frustrating you? I don't know as you focus a bit more on > > the > > > classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though I'm reasonably sure > > the > > > vedics kept some distance from the excretorial aspects in their > > > discussions. I could be wrong about that though. > > > > > > > > The clarity issue is something to consider though. Yes I agree > > > with you clarity is important for the sender and the reader. Spell > > > check is a great resource and yes I am sooo guilty of bad spelling. > > > But when you write, it is much appreciated " for clarity " that the > > > words be understandable and following a form of logic or line of > > > reasoning that we all can partake of. Your opinions are valued and > > > appreciated and you have extensive knowledge and experience, so it > > is > > > important to be clear in your words and phrases that > > understandings do > > > not erupt this way. > > > > > > > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an opportunity to come up > > to > > > speed on your particular systems and information. So perhaps we > > should > > > allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the " stoned " accusation. > > This > > > isn't like you. At least not as I have seen you here on this list. > > > > > > > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve this space, here on > > this > > > list, where we can discuss openly and with politeness and > > > consideration what experiences and or what questions come to mind > > > without fear of getting whacked. > > > > > > > > Many other lists do not honor these arrangements but this one > > > does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > > > > > > > johndplumber <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > It is not about my or your buttons it is about our > > buttons. > > > > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would appreciate it if your > > > > question was a bit clearer and I don't have to try and read your > > mind. > > > > There is just a muddy dirty smelly garb of stale green murky > > water > > > > with turds floating about because there are not enough amoebic > > > > bacteria around to absorb it before more is excreted. I have a > > desire > > > > to raise above it expose it to sunlight so that the UV rays > > might put > > > > a little more understanding into the collective mind and giving > > a bit > > > > of fresh air. > > > > > > > > Only in the personal aspect are we individuals, don't you > > remember > > > > coming up to get a breath of fresh air and seeing the blue skies > > above > > > > the canopy of the trees a new hope and something that seems to > > be > > > > enlightening. Have you ever come up from hiding about murky > > waters of > > > > fear and desperation? > > > > > > > > I do remember breathing fresh air blue skies, Bondzai don't you. > > > > Is it you want me to go running around proclaiming that the sky > > is > > > > falling? I won't because I do not believe that. Please came > > answers my > > > > questions when your not stoned to see if you may push an other > > button, > > > > because you might get a completely different reply. > > > > John M. > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " bondzai " > > > > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > > > > > > > > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. The button, > > when > > > > > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, what the > > program > > > > > is, what happens etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 You guys are just perfect x x x bless u, Elektra --- johndplumber <jaganath wrote: > > How is that it is without question marks...When is > without and > exclamation marks...How to me did it ever sound as > if it was a > question... > You have just taught me a valuable lesson, that is > not to try and > answer exclamations without exclamation marks? > Lol...Keep teaching me? I will be a Zen Master in no > time? > Do Zen teachers answer questions with question > Marks... > Good on you Paul, its good stuff dont you love it... > Just the right thing to push buttons? :-0 > John Mathieson > > How about samskara approximates... your stuff... > > its the whole kit and caboodle about your buttons. > The button, when > the button is there, how you see, what pushes it, > what the program > is, what happens etc... > --- In > , > " bondzai " > <bondzai wrote: > > > > John, I didn't think I asked any questions. > > Paul > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- > 1 , " johndplumber " > > <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thankyou Paul for your exsplaination it was > prety hard to know > where > > > you were comming from. I was just thinking about > the questions > you > > > put; can you answer them? I cant, though i am > not a Zen > Teacher, I > > > would not qualify nor do i want to as yet. > > > John M > > > --- In > , > " bondzai " > > > <bondzai@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry John, it wasn't about you but about > Samskaras in > general. We > > > > all have them though. Another name is > Karmashaya. It is the > > > > storehouse of Karma in the sushumna nadi which > is the main > channel > > > the > > > > Kundalini traverses in. The purpose of > Kundalini is purgation > of > > > the > > > > karma or samskaras in the nadis. In modern > day terms it is > buttons > > > > and stuff. Say like strike a nerve. The > enlightened person > is the > > > > one who has his stuff cleared out, his > samskaras removed to > the > > > point > > > > he is not easily affected but pretty much > accepts everything, > is > > > > content and unperturbed. Nirvana = > Unperturbed. > > > > > > > > Most of us are like a storehouse of buttons > and stuff instead > of > > > peace > > > > and contentment, I know I am. A zen teacher I > respect, Cheri > Huber > > > > says, " Pay attention to everything, Assume > nothing and Don't > take > > > any > > > > of it personally " . A person who is unaware > does not realize > their > > > > buttons are being pushed because they are not > paying attention > and > > > > their false beliefs (samskaras) (stinking > thinking) is running > > > their > > > > life instead of awareness and a right mind. > > > > > > > > Thats how I look at Karma anyway. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In > , > chrism > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Interesting thread John. With regards to the > excrement > analogy is > > > > there something that you wish to discuss here > that hasn't been > and > > > it > > > > has been frustrating you? I don't know as you > focus a bit more > on > > > the > > > > classical Indian vedic areas than I do. Though > I'm reasonably > sure > > > the > > > > vedics kept some distance from the excretorial > aspects in their > > > > discussions. I could be wrong about that > though. > > > > > > > > > > The clarity issue is something to consider > though. Yes I > agree > > > > with you clarity is important for the sender > and the reader. > Spell > > > > check is a great resource and yes I am sooo > guilty of bad > spelling. > > > > But when you write, it is much appreciated > " for clarity " that > the > > > > words be understandable and following a form > of logic or line > of > > > > reasoning that we all can partake of. Your > opinions are valued > and > > > > appreciated and you have extensive knowledge > and experience, > so it > > > is > > > > important to be clear in your words and > phrases that > > > understandings do > > > > not erupt this way. > > > > > > > > > > Bondzai is new here and has not had an > opportunity to come > up > > > to > > > > speed on your particular systems and > information. So perhaps > we > > > should > > > > allow that to occur if he wishes to. And the > " stoned " > accusation. > > > This > > > > isn't like you. At least not as I have seen > you here on this > list. > > > > > > > > > > Bondzai and you John and all here deserve > this space, here > on > > > this > > > > list, where we can discuss openly and with > politeness and > > > > consideration what experiences and or what > questions come to > mind > > > > without fear of getting whacked. > > > > > > > > > > Many other lists do not honor these > arrangements but this > one > > > > does. - blessings to you all - chrism > > > > > > > > > > johndplumber <jaganath@> wrote: > > > > > It is not about my or your buttons > it is about our > > > buttons. > > > > > My stuff isn't talked about here. I would > appreciate it if > your > > > > > question was a bit clearer and I don't have > to === message truncated === _________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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