DMT, yoga, Salvia, San Pedro in search of a different perspective

[Guest guest]

Hi guys

 

If you are considering trying Salvia I recommend a sitter and sitting

down. Go for the x2 or x5 strength - leave the stronger stuff for

later.

 

Salvia is unlike the others, you may forget you have taken it, you

may forget where you are, who you are and even what you are. This

can be interesting for experimenting with ideas of egolessness.

 

Some people get up and move around. Some climb out windows. Some

travel in time, space etc..

 

It is over in 10 minutes (unless you chew).

 

I haven't tried it too heavy yet - I am chicken, I like my brain - I

use it most days (though Salvia is supposed to be safe)

 

Read some experiences

here ...http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

 

As for DMT an interesting recipe for its creation complete with

pictures is listed here ...

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/extraction_guide1/dmt_extraction_g

uide1.shtml

(DMT is not legal so don't make it)

 

Erowid is good for San Pedro cactus prep (San Pedro is legal)and

Ayahuasca.

 

The site is good for legal aspects too.

 

I want to say be careful but I don't want to sound patronising - you

are all adults (I think) if you are not an adult be extra careful bad

things can happen to your head if you are too young - legal or not

beware of the risks.

 

Good luck stepping through the looking glass.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

-- In , " a_seventh_son "

<a_seventh_son wrote:

>

> For the record (and my lack of credibility), I've no experience

> with psychedelics. On the advice of a friend however, I

> am considering trying a legal (in the US) psychedelic like

> 'salvia divinorum' which is readily available and so far remains

> off the DEA's sh!tlist. Ayahuasca is legal for a tiny percentage

> of the population for whom it's an inherent part of a complex

> belief system, and even then is controversial. for the rest of

> us in the US, it is legal to own 'for identification purposes'

> only, but preparing or using the stuff IS technically illegal.

> It doesn't make a lot of sense, then again drug laws rarely do.

>

> One of the most important factors of any 'trip', be it

> ethnobotanical or vipaassana-meditation, is setting and

> context, the drug is just a mechanism of transport. LSD was used

> for 'enlightenment' and mind-expansion, but also was usefully

> combined with electroshock and trauma for depersonalization and

> forced " reprogramming " by the (human, if you can call them that)

> powers-that-be in the US and abroad, as were other psychedelics.

>

> -Brian

>

> , " selena230 "

<selena230@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks guys. Will look up the sources you recommended.

> >

> > Sel

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I do not recommend any of these as it becomes more of an experience for the

plant than the human. And can really mess with you. Ayahuasca is the only one

that will sit you up and teach you. " Hello Master Condrey and this is our

lesson about you today! " as an example.

 

I am happy that you brought these others into the mix Peter, as I was waiting

for this and it is indeed an aspect of the ease we as a fast food culture have

come to appreciate. " Just eat something and you are enlightened! " No work just

consume this and your there.

 

Kundalini isn't a drug or an entheogenic experience it is far beyond those

areas and yet as some of you are reaching the edges of this experience it will

seem to be as an addiction. The seeking out of bliss for the sake of bliss or

the yearning for Shaktipat as a way of attaining bliss.

 

So I feel it is best to come from a more personal " In body " perspective.

Condition your self and work with in yourself and you will have and hold her

/him and him/ her as the internal wedding is consummated. Then, everything

changes.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Yes I do not recommend any of these as it becomes more of

> an experience for the plant than the human.

:-) nice way to put it.

 

> I am happy that you brought these others into the mix Peter,

> as I was waiting for this and it is indeed an aspect of the ease

> we as a fast food culture have come to appreciate. " Just eat

> something and you are enlightened! " No work just consume this

> and your there.

quintessence of the consumer mentality. I was also amused by

the presence of 'distilled essence' of higher concentrations

priced accordingly, that's very capitalistically funny.

actually online merchants of the stuff selling grams for hundreds

of $ an ounce is even funnier. then again we expect everything

else to come in a little pill, or other ready-to-consume package,

why not this? set up a hierarchy (say the chakra system) price

it in tiers, cultivate an aura of mystique, go forth and sell.

 

sorry for the cynicism

-brian

[Guest guest]

I would agree with and Brian's assessment of Salvia. I

have " breathed of the essence " you might say, a few times. It's a

weird plant. It will definitely hand you your sh!!!t.

I don't see it as anything that would help to enlighten oneself. I

really can't see any productive use for it.

The tea, I'd try, with proper instruction/mindset, etc.

 

Love,

Ray

, " a_seventh_son "

<a_seventh_son wrote:

>

>

> > Yes I do not recommend any of these as it becomes more of

> > an experience for the plant than the human.

> :-) nice way to put it.

>

> > I am happy that you brought these others into the mix Peter,

> > as I was waiting for this and it is indeed an aspect of the ease

> > we as a fast food culture have come to appreciate. " Just eat

> > something and you are enlightened! " No work just consume this

> > and your there.

> quintessence of the consumer mentality. I was also amused by

> the presence of 'distilled essence' of higher concentrations

> priced accordingly, that's very capitalistically funny.

> actually online merchants of the stuff selling grams for hundreds

> of $ an ounce is even funnier. then again we expect everything

> else to come in a little pill, or other ready-to-consume package,

> why not this? set up a hierarchy (say the chakra system) price

> it in tiers, cultivate an aura of mystique, go forth and sell.

>

> sorry for the cynicism

> -brian

>

[Guest guest]

I've read that an infusion (i.e. tea, basically) or chewing the

leaves of the plant itself was the indigenous practice. As it's

going - concentrated dosages of pure salvinorum-A -- legality of

this drug won't last long either. This type of irresponsible

behavior by people seeking a quickfix or " ultimate high " is the

reason most of these drugs became illegal (besides the ones that

would heavily cut into profit margins of the pushers of legal

drugs of course) in the first place. An unfortunate consequence.

 

-brian

 

> The tea, I'd try, with proper instruction/mindset, etc.

>

> Love,

> Ray

[Guest guest]

A friend of a friend took some salvia and was out for

3 days, he ended up commiting suicide not long after.

It's a strong one, not to be taken lightly.

You leave the body. (thats what I've been told).

You don't know what you are doing.

I don't think I'll be trying that one in a hurry.

 

Love Elektra x x x

 

 

--- trenttaylor313 <trenttaylor313 wrote:

 

> Hi guys

>

> If you are considering trying Salvia I recommend a

> sitter and sitting

> down. Go for the x2 or x5 strength - leave the

> stronger stuff for

> later.

>

> Salvia is unlike the others, you may forget you have

> taken it, you

> may forget where you are, who you are and even what

> you are. This

> can be interesting for experimenting with ideas of

> egolessness.

>

> Some people get up and move around. Some climb out

> windows. Some

> travel in time, space etc..

>

> It is over in 10 minutes (unless you chew).

>

> I haven't tried it too heavy yet - I am chicken, I

> like my brain - I

> use it most days (though Salvia is supposed to be

> safe)

>

> Read some experiences

> here

> ...http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

>

> As for DMT an interesting recipe for its creation

> complete with

> pictures is listed here ...

>

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/extraction_guide1/dmt_extraction_g

> uide1.shtml

> (DMT is not legal so don't make it)

>

> Erowid is good for San Pedro cactus prep (San Pedro

> is legal)and

> Ayahuasca.

>

> The site is good for legal aspects too.

>

> I want to say be careful but I don't want to sound

> patronising - you

> are all adults (I think) if you are not an adult be

> extra careful bad

> things can happen to your head if you are too young

> - legal or not

> beware of the risks.

>

> Good luck stepping through the looking glass.

>

> Peter

>

>

>

>

> -- In ,

> " a_seventh_son "

> <a_seventh_son wrote:

> >

> > For the record (and my lack of credibility), I've

> no experience

> > with psychedelics. On the advice of a friend

> however, I

> > am considering trying a legal (in the US)

> psychedelic like

> > 'salvia divinorum' which is readily available and

> so far remains

> > off the DEA's sh!tlist. Ayahuasca is legal for a

> tiny percentage

> > of the population for whom it's an inherent part

> of a complex

> > belief system, and even then is controversial.

> for the rest of

> > us in the US, it is legal to own 'for

> identification purposes'

> > only, but preparing or using the stuff IS

> technically illegal.

> > It doesn't make a lot of sense, then again drug

> laws rarely do.

> >

> > One of the most important factors of any 'trip',

> be it

> > ethnobotanical or vipaassana-meditation, is

> setting and

> > context, the drug is just a mechanism of

> transport. LSD was used

> > for 'enlightenment' and mind-expansion, but also

> was usefully

> > combined with electroshock and trauma for

> depersonalization and

> > forced " reprogramming " by the (human, if you can

> call them that)

> > powers-that-be in the US and abroad, as were other

> psychedelics.

> >

> > -Brian

> >

> > --- In

> ,

> " selena230 "

> <selena230@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks guys. Will look up the sources you

> recommended.

> > >

> > > Sel

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Salvia does you. Thats what happens and I do not recommend it. - just my take -

chrism

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

.. . . the Ayahuasca tea that is. I've also tried the Salvia tea and

chewing the leaves. Only had very slight effect.

 

Ray

 

, " raazor1 "

<raazor1 wrote:

>

> I would agree with and Brian's assessment of Salvia. I

> have " breathed of the essence " you might say, a few times. It's a

> weird plant. It will definitely hand you your sh!!!t.

> I don't see it as anything that would help to enlighten oneself. I

> really can't see any productive use for it.

> The tea, I'd try, with proper instruction/mindset, etc.

>

> Love,

> Ray

> Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

1 , " a_seventh_son "

> <a_seventh_son@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > Yes I do not recommend any of these as it becomes more of

> > > an experience for the plant than the human.

> > :-) nice way to put it.

> >

> > > I am happy that you brought these others into the mix Peter,

> > > as I was waiting for this and it is indeed an aspect of the

ease

> > > we as a fast food culture have come to appreciate. " Just eat

> > > something and you are enlightened! " No work just consume this

> > > and your there.

> > quintessence of the consumer mentality. I was also amused by

> > the presence of 'distilled essence' of higher concentrations

> > priced accordingly, that's very capitalistically funny.

> > actually online merchants of the stuff selling grams for hundreds

> > of $ an ounce is even funnier. then again we expect everything

> > else to come in a little pill, or other ready-to-consume package,

> > why not this? set up a hierarchy (say the chakra system) price

> > it in tiers, cultivate an aura of mystique, go forth and sell.

> >

> > sorry for the cynicism

> > -brian

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello again Elektra,

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I wonder if your friend might

have had some other issues going on. I know Salvia is not

recommended if you're not of stable mind.

 

Still, this is a substance to be given the utmost respect. It's best

to take it quite easy until you're more used to it, then decide if

you want to go further.

 

Myself, I only have partaken of the normal stuff, not enhanced (2x,

5x, etc) at all. I've experienced extreme (read constant) body

rushes and thinking that I am part of the program that I am watching,

that they are all very close friends, and we all are related and care

about each other and are so connected. Very wild.

 

It really rearranges your thinking for a short while.

 

The strange thing about it is that you feel it coming on, but never

really realize when it's got you. One time I took a hit, felt it

coming on then . . . I was watching a movie (I really was) and they

were talking about going out to do something, and I was like, " Yeah,

I'm all over that " and was preparing to leave my apartment when I got

distracted by a sock on the floor (good thing) and I realized what I

was doing and went back into the kitchen (I was cooking chili).

 

That's why it's a good thing to have a sitter, especially if don't

know how to handle altered perception.

 

Coming back to earth, for me, is a big let down cause you realize

that the people on the program don't know you, don't care about you,

and have no idea what you're doing.

 

I had hoped that Salvia would be good for deepening meditation and

spiritual experience, but I can't see it good for that. I also would

tend to mistrust a spiritual experience that was induced externally.

Consequently, I've put it on the shelf.

 

Love to you Elektra,

 

Ray

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> A friend of a friend took some salvia and was out for

> 3 days, he ended up commiting suicide not long after.

> It's a strong one, not to be taken lightly.

> You leave the body. (thats what I've been told).

> You don't know what you are doing.

> I don't think I'll be trying that one in a hurry.

>

> Love Elektra x x x

>

>

> --- trenttaylor313 <trenttaylor313 wrote:

>

> > Hi guys

> >

> > If you are considering trying Salvia I recommend a

> > sitter and sitting

> > down. Go for the x2 or x5 strength - leave the

> > stronger stuff for

> > later.

> >

> > Salvia is unlike the others, you may forget you have

> > taken it, you

> > may forget where you are, who you are and even what

> > you are. This

> > can be interesting for experimenting with ideas of

> > egolessness.

> >

> > Some people get up and move around. Some climb out

> > windows. Some

> > travel in time, space etc..

> >

> > It is over in 10 minutes (unless you chew).

> >

> > I haven't tried it too heavy yet - I am chicken, I

> > like my brain - I

> > use it most days (though Salvia is supposed to be

> > safe)

> >

> > Read some experiences

> > here

> > ...http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

> >

> > As for DMT an interesting recipe for its creation

> > complete with

> > pictures is listed here ...

> >

>

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/extraction_guide1/dmt_extraction_g

> > uide1.shtml

> > (DMT is not legal so don't make it)

> >

> > Erowid is good for San Pedro cactus prep (San Pedro

> > is legal)and

> > Ayahuasca.

> >

> > The site is good for legal aspects too.

> >

> > I want to say be careful but I don't want to sound

> > patronising - you

> > are all adults (I think) if you are not an adult be

> > extra careful bad

> > things can happen to your head if you are too young

> > - legal or not

> > beware of the risks.

> >

> > Good luck stepping through the looking glass.

> >

> > Peter

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In ,

> > " a_seventh_son "

> > <a_seventh_son@> wrote:

> > >

> > > For the record (and my lack of credibility), I've

> > no experience

> > > with psychedelics. On the advice of a friend

> > however, I

> > > am considering trying a legal (in the US)

> > psychedelic like

> > > 'salvia divinorum' which is readily available and

> > so far remains

> > > off the DEA's sh!tlist. Ayahuasca is legal for a

> > tiny percentage

> > > of the population for whom it's an inherent part

> > of a complex

> > > belief system, and even then is controversial.

> > for the rest of

> > > us in the US, it is legal to own 'for

> > identification purposes'

> > > only, but preparing or using the stuff IS

> > technically illegal.

> > > It doesn't make a lot of sense, then again drug

> > laws rarely do.

> > >

> > > One of the most important factors of any 'trip',

> > be it

> > > ethnobotanical or vipaassana-meditation, is

> > setting and

> > > context, the drug is just a mechanism of

> > transport. LSD was used

> > > for 'enlightenment' and mind-expansion, but also

> > was usefully

> > > combined with electroshock and trauma for

> > depersonalization and

> > > forced " reprogramming " by the (human, if you can

> > call them that)

> > > powers-that-be in the US and abroad, as were other

> > psychedelics.

> > >

> > > -Brian

> > >

> > > --- In

> > ,

> > " selena230 "

> > <selena230@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks guys. Will look up the sources you

> > recommended.

> > > >

> > > > Sel

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >