Regarding the path of Kundalini

[Guest guest]

Greetings! ;-)

 

As a previous student of Eckankar, I have had numerous out of body

experiences, and at least one experience of being just soul - a point

of awareness in an ocean of light and sound. This was unfortunately

many years ago, as my belief in Eckankar dwindled when I learned that

several of the books were plagiarized from other books by the " guru " .

I then entered a period of cynicism that will probably always be with

me when evaluating spiritual paths (perhaps this is a good thing).

 

The cynicism lifted partially when I read books by William Buhlman.

And in looking in his , I learned of this group here. Since

then, I have read much of what has been written in this site, and I'm

mystified as to why someone would choose the path of Kundalini when it

might take 10-20 years to properly adjust to it. (I understand that it

initiates spontaneously at times.) I remember the light and sound, and

I wish to be aware of it again, but I also wish to stay in balance

here, and be fully functional while I'm in this world. Is Kundalini

right for me? If not, where would one go?

[Guest guest]

In re-reading my post, I fear my tone seemed critical of Kundalini -

that was not my intent. My question was really, do all paths ultimatly

involve Kundalini? It is difficult for me to imagine funtioning

normally (whatever that is) in this world, while having a full blown

Kundalini awakening as described by some here. Is it all or nothing?

 

Thanks

Paul

 

> ... why someone would choose the path of Kundalini when it

> might take 10-20 years to properly adjust to it. (I understand that

it

> initiates spontaneously at times.) I remember the light and sound,

and

> I wish to be aware of it again, but I also wish to stay in balance

> here, and be fully functional while I'm in this world. Is Kundalini

> right for me? If not, where would one go?

>

[Guest guest]

Hello and welcome.

 

Why seek the K? Well, even thought I had a very difficult time with my

activation (20 or so years ago) and did not even know what was happening, the

results have been and still are amazing. Being in the place of light and sound

is wonderful and breathtaking but there is ever so much more. I have been in

the presence of many deities and was left totally breathless with joy and

weeping with gratefulness and amazement. I seek and receive guidance in all I

do in life which sometimes takes me to places I never would have considered, all

with great results. (I am often startled by this and more often laughing) I am

now on a permanent spiritual treasure hunt. My ability to be of service to

others has greatly increased and I know who and when to be of service too,

including not to get involved in some situations where my humanness is filled

with compassion and would like to help.

 

Each day is a delight and an adventure. Each thing that happens that most would

judge as " bad " is for me a puzzle to unlock, looking for the secret lesson

inside. I am constantly looking at myself and my reactions to things, trying to

keep them on a higher level and my life is filled with a deep calm and

peacefulness. Things I wish for (and I attempt to wish for only things that are

good for all) unfold in front of me as soon as I think about them and I am

delighted and thrilled each time at the workings of the Universe, sort of like a

kid watching the workings of a a new game.

 

And I am 61, had breast cancer twice, lost a breast, broke an ankle, lost the

love of my life, but have led a wonderful, partly tragic and very full life. I

still wake up each morning with wild anticipation as to what will come next! And

remain fascinated at the workings of all this.

 

Those are a few reasons I welcome the K and all that comes with her. And there

are many, many more.

 

In gratefulness,

 

Sherri

 

--

The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert Einstein

 

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" paulrffff " <paulffff

Greetings! ;-)

 

As a previous student of Eckankar, I have had numerous out of body

experiences, and at least one experience of being just soul - a point

of awareness in an ocean of light and sound. This was unfortunately

many years ago, as my belief in Eckankar dwindled when I learned that

several of the books were plagiarized from other books by the " guru " .

I then entered a period of cynicism that will probably always be with

me when evaluating spiritual paths (perhaps this is a good thing).

 

The cynicism lifted partially when I read books by William Buhlman.

And in looking in his , I learned of this group here. Since

then, I have read much of what has been written in this site, and I'm

mystified as to why someone would choose the path of Kundalini when it

might take 10-20 years to properly adjust to it. (I understand that it

initiates spontaneously at times.) I remember the light and sound, and

I wish to be aware of it again, but I also wish to stay in balance

here, and be fully functional while I'm in this world. Is Kundalini

right for me? If not, where would one go?

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Paul,

Is Kundalini right for you? You are the only one who can answer

that. It may take some time for balance inside the flow but not twenty years

typically. I am in my seventeenth year with it and am quite capable of working

in society. And have been the whole time. What is necessary is a frame of mind

or viewpoint that allows it to achieve its own agenda with you. A surrendering

that allows you to step out of the control tower of your body and let the

Kundalini do a she needs to do. -

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a way I feel you are correct in the idea that all paths lead eventually to

the Kundalini. Or by whatever name the culture your in calls it. It isn't the

easiest path but it has the ability to help you go much much farther than

anything else " in body " . No worries Paul, you will find your way! Kundalini is a

steep path, But it gives you the best views! Inner and outer! - blessings -

chrism

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks chrism... actually I knew when I wrote that, that it was a dumb

question, but I thought it might spark some conversation on the pros and

cons. Perhaps it isn't good to read too much at times, as everyone is

different and will certainly react differently to anything experienced.

Some of the stores do seem rather dire at times though. It seems that when

you read about Kundalini, most of the text seems to be regarding the

problems associated with it, and not with what is gained.

Blessings to all here and thanks

Paul

 

> <>

>

>

>Re: Regarding the path of

>Kundalini

>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:47:11 -0800 (PST)

>

>Hello Paul,

> Is Kundalini right for you? You are the only one who can

>answer that. It may take some time for balance inside the flow but not

>twenty years typically. I am in my seventeenth year with it and am quite

>capable of working in society. And have been the whole time. What is

>necessary is a frame of mind or viewpoint that allows it to achieve its own

>agenda with you. A surrendering that allows you to step out of the control

>tower of your body and let the Kundalini do a she needs to do. - blessings

>- chrism

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sherri - I love your response. I feel certain that you deserve all and much

more. :-)

 

Thank you

Paul

 

>kaliese

>

>

>Re: Regarding the path of

>Kundalini

>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:30:15 +0000

>

>Hello and welcome.

>

>Why seek the K? Well, even thought I had a very difficult time with my

>activation (20 or so years ago) and did not even know what was happening,

>the results have been and still are amazing. Being in the place of light

>and sound is wonderful and breathtaking but there is ever so much more. I

>have been in the presence of many deities and was left totally breathless

>with joy and weeping with gratefulness and amazement. I seek and receive

>guidance in all I do in life which sometimes takes me to places I never

>would have considered, all with great results. (I am often startled by this

>and more often laughing) I am now on a permanent spiritual treasure hunt.

>My ability to be of service to others has greatly increased and I know who

>and when to be of service too, including not to get involved in some

>situations where my humanness is filled with compassion and would like to

>help.

>

>Each day is a delight and an adventure. Each thing that happens that most

>would judge as " bad " is for me a puzzle to unlock, looking for the secret

>lesson inside. I am constantly looking at myself and my reactions to

>things, trying to keep them on a higher level and my life is filled with a

>deep calm and peacefulness. Things I wish for (and I attempt to wish for

>only things that are good for all) unfold in front of me as soon as I think

>about them and I am delighted and thrilled each time at the workings of the

>Universe, sort of like a kid watching the workings of a a new game.

>

>And I am 61, had breast cancer twice, lost a breast, broke an ankle, lost

>the love of my life, but have led a wonderful, partly tragic and very full

>life. I still wake up each morning with wild anticipation as to what will

>come next! And remain fascinated at the workings of all this.

>

>Those are a few reasons I welcome the K and all that comes with her. And

>there are many, many more.

>

>In gratefulness,

>

>Sherri

>

>--

>The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert

>Einstein

>

>-------------- Original message --------------

> " paulrffff " <paulffff

>Greetings! ;-)

>

>As a previous student of Eckankar, I have had numerous out of body

>experiences, and at least one experience of being just soul - a point

>of awareness in an ocean of light and sound. This was unfortunately

>many years ago, as my belief in Eckankar dwindled when I learned that

>several of the books were plagiarized from other books by the " guru " .

>I then entered a period of cynicism that will probably always be with

>me when evaluating spiritual paths (perhaps this is a good thing).

>

>The cynicism lifted partially when I read books by William Buhlman.

>And in looking in his , I learned of this group here. Since

>then, I have read much of what has been written in this site, and I'm

>mystified as to why someone would choose the path of Kundalini when it

>might take 10-20 years to properly adjust to it. (I understand that it

>initiates spontaneously at times.) I remember the light and sound, and

>I wish to be aware of it again, but I also wish to stay in balance

>here, and be fully functional while I'm in this world. Is Kundalini

>right for me? If not, where would one go?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Paul,

Kundalini is a very steep path and it takes physical and

emotional and psychological conditioning to stay in balance. Most of the horror

stories are from those who did not understand these facts, or chose to ignore

them. As I look at you Paul it is clear, at least for me, that you will be able

to navigate the Kundalini quite well. As far as the inadequacies of other

teachers and personality cult figures from Osho to Ramtha and beyond. It isn't

so much, imho, who or what writes the information it is more of whether or not

the information works for you. I write from my personal experience and that of

the expanded awareness of Kundalini and make no mistake, certain gifts do come

with this path. As you adjust and learn to balance inside the activation these

gifts expand and serve to further you and those you help upon the path. Below

are some safeties that i feel are necessary for the proper conditioning for

anyone who chooses this path or for those with whom

the Kundalini has chosen - blessings Paul - chrism

 

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" SAFETIES "

 

TONGUE UP - This completes the cranial circuit allowing excess

energy to bleed down the sides of the neck. Cultivate the position

of the tip of the tongue resting on the fleshy mound right behind

your upper front teeth . Make this a new habit.

 

EYES UP - This is the position of looking towards the brow of

points, one and a half inches above the bridge of the nose. Most

comfortable when the eyes are closed. This will draw are pull the

Kundalini upwards.

 

FINGERS IN POSITION- This is the thumb tip and fore finger tips

joined (pressed together) with the other fingers spread out wide.

This is a finger lock.

 

WATER - As the Kundalini rises it will stimulate and activate

the kidneys and the adrenal glands. The adrenals and the kidneys can

become hot. Really hot and feel as if they are expanding. The

adrenals will release amounts of adrenachrome, or the bodies version

of speed. This can be very disconcerting, and can help you to fear.

So plenty of living water i.e. water that is from a spring or

another source that isn't chlorinated or from the tap of a city, but

if the city water is what you've got - drink it Also plenty of

watermelon if you can get it as this can be very soothing for the

kidneys.

 

PROGRAMMING (TV, movies, books, music, friends, family,

church) - In our culture we are seeing and reading and hearing, from

various sources, many negative and fear evoking forms of

entertainment, news and communications. This is not helpful when a

person is newly activated with the Kundalini. Fear, excessive lust,

hateful attitudes, can be quite painful and damaging to the new

Kundalyn energies and many unfortunate events can be created by the

Kundalini exposed to such energies. So, no scary movies, or books or

radio shows unless you want to experience them in real-time with you

as the unwitting star. Music that is angry or hateful or hurtful

even if the melody is sweet need to be curtailed. Inter familial

problems are sometimes hard to dismiss. Try as much as possible to

bring love and peace and forgiveness into your daily and nightly

life. I know this sounds difficult but just make it a priority and

it will be extremely beneficial to you and your Kundalini, setting

the best pattern for the energy to follow in its transformation of

your life.

 

FOOD CHOICES - Pay attention to the new tastes and desires your

body begins to have. If you have been a vegetarian and you start

having an interest in beef. well, try to find some organic beef and

eat it, love it and bless the animal that has given the ultimate

gift for you. The Kundalini needs what is in that meat in order to

advance your activation. It wants and needs that kind of protein,

surrender to this. Or if the opposite is true you're a meat eater and

the Kundalyn Energies wish for you to become vegetarian - don't

hesitate! Find yourself a great organic market or farmers market and

make like a rabbit! Really, you will be much happier I promise. This

is only for a short time and then it may switch back as your

activation progresses into an awakening. The Kundalini will let you

know in no uncertain terms.

 

FORGIVENESS - Emotional blockages are a main cause of pain and

instability

within the Kundalini awakening process. Issues of grief, guilt, loss,

abandonment and fear can and do manifest within the context of the

Kundalini as

pain. It is also an attachment for energies that feed off of these

conditions.

Resolving these difficulties after many years or a lifetime of

experience is

often difficult and seemingly impossible. First you need to develop

the intent

and then to follow that intention with action. However many years

and in many

cases lifetimes that a person has been wracked with pain and anguish

there is

and has been a way towards resolution. It's called forgiveness. Not

always

towards a perceived assailant or of another person but also for ones

own self.

Forgiveness is a Divine aspect of love.

 

Recapitulation - Realizing that we are all here on this physical

plane to

learn and to come into direct contact with others who have qualities

different

from our own, forgiveness gives us a platform for tolerance, another

Divine

aspect of love. In the context of the Kundalyn energies, this is a

very important

practice that must be done daily and with the most sincere and

heartfelt

expression. It lays the foundation for most if not all of the

special gifts and

skills that come with an awakening.

 

Recapitulate all peoples who have done harm to you. All people whom

you have

harmed. Think back upon your life experiences and for the moment

pick out the

highlights of hurts that have been inflicted upon you and by you. Now

consciously forgive them and you. There may still be Karmic

repercussions but

this will go a long way towards ameliorating them. So practice this

daily and

new remembrances will come to mind getting in line for the

forgiveness. This

requires an honest acknowledgment of activity from both the

receiving and of the

inflicting aspects of our experiences with others. Honesty towards

ones self is

another ingredient that must be attained in order for this to work.

 

Regardless of where the blame is, forgiveness must be reached for

and given.

Not a small task to be sure but an essential one. As the forgiveness

encounters

the heavy vibrational construct of the emotional blockage, Divine

love is seeped

into the matrix causing, in many instances an emotional outburst of

relief and

release of burden. The blockage is relieved and the Kundalini

continues its

invigoration throughout the body.

 

For optimal results this must be done daily and constantly

throughout your

conscious periods. For example, someone cuts you off on the freeway

forgive them

as quickly as you condemn them. Do this immediately and it will

begin to smooth

your condemnations to the point where you will be happy to let them

in and wish

them well upon their way. Take this in stages and don't force too

much upon

yourself all at once but keep the intent strong and healthy in your

heart and

mind. This will have an almost immediate effect in your life passage

as well as

being an energetic snowplow for the Kundalini. As in most things

practice makes

it become second nature, so practice. This concept applies to all of

your human

interactions. Love and forgiveness are the rules.

 

INNER JOY - When you experience a situation in which you find

yourself in very unfamiliar territory the first impulse is to go

into fear. I want you to begin to cultivate a memory of when you

have been joyous. Exuberantly joyous. I would have you practice this

during the day when you experience something frightening.

Immediately supplant this reaction with the inner joy, just the

memory of it will change your perception and therefore the energy of

the situation. Put a " post it " in your car on the dash if that's

where these events happen for you or at work somewhere. Or on the

refrigerator at home where you can remind yourself of this new

reversal that you are incorporating. You can write " I J " on it

just as a reminder. This is to begin a new form of acceptance of

different mind states that will help you on the Kundalini path.

 

TRUST - Trust the process that is happening to you. Know and

understand that God is watching everything. Spirit is watching

everything. You are safe in the arms of the Divinity as long as you

practice the love and forgiveness that are part of what we teach. If

you stray into areas of negativity, willfully, and with malice afore

thought, well, then that is what you will receive. In real

time. So trust the Kundalini. It has your best interests as part of

its agenda or you would not have been allowed to activate or even to

have known about this.

 

HONESTY - As you feel the energy work its way within you be

honest with yourself about what is happening. Watch out for denial.

If you start falling into denial you can miss information the

Kundalini is trying to impart to you so be aware of how you are

honestly feeling. Watch yourself closely without becoming obsessed.

When you feel sensations of a presence or object traveling

inside your spine do not chalk it up to a sore back or that last

tennis match or the tight clothing. Unless of course it is. Be clear

and honest and see if it fits the descriptions of what you have

learned here and if you have questions go on the web and ask the

seminar chat room or list to clarify it with you. We will

be monitoring and responding to any such inquiries.

 

LOVE - Actively love what is happening. Express this active

love by being actively forgiving and interested in being of service

to others. Not in a slavish or demeaning way but in a confidant and

strength based, loving way. Help that kid or senior citizen or

fellow mortal without endangering yourself preferably. This allows

the Kundalini to activate your systems much cleaner and more

quickly. I know it sounds hokey but love is the strongest quality

and just as the negative can turn around and bite so does the love

turn around and embrace - even faster!

 

Love causes the energy to move rapidly and as you practice this

quality you will find that negativity just doesn't seem to come your

way as much and then almost never. Service to others or for others

is an essential practice for the Kundalini of this lineage. Others

who have activated without these teachings have and are suffering

terribly and my heart goes out to them. They will learn though in

their own good or bad time. They will learn what you are learning

right now. This is one of the best safeties you can practice because

as I mentioned before you are being observed, really, and those who

are observing will not allow you, who are a part, now, of their

lineage to be harmed for the practice of love. A protection has been

placed around you for the purpose of giving you the opportunity to

take this evolutionary step called the Kundalini. As you practice,

communications and assurances will be given by this source to

help you on the path. Remember your " thank you's " .

 

GRATITUDE - Be grateful for the ideas and thoughts and wisdoms

that begin to flow into your mind sometimes like a flood. Be

grateful for the Kundalini as it is bringing you to a new and

greater understanding of the " All that is " . Be grateful to your

family and friends and perfect strangers for what they bring to

your life and the opportunities that come your way. Say to yourself

in your mind and heart that you are grateful for these gifts and

even greater ones will come your way. This is the nature of the path

you are walking. Diligence and integrity are richly rewarded.

 

PRAYER - This can be one of the more difficult of the safeties

to practice. Especially if you were not raised in an environment

respectful or embracing of prayer - like myself. There are many

misconceptions about it but I won't go into those here. I will only

say that it is very important and must be practiced. Christ is real,

Mary is real, Yahweh, Buddha, Allah, Zeus, Cybele, to name a few.

All of them are real. And yes, I know this is a " real " stretch for

some of you and it was for me too. However we feel about this

culturally this is just how it is behind the veil. I'm not saying to

pray to all of them but if you don't already have one - Pick one

that you like or pick GOD and pray. Pray for healing for a friend or

a stranger or a family member. Pray for yourself. Pray for the

Kundalini to take you where it is you want to go or to become what

it is you want to be. These folks can be very, very helpful. Do not

disregard this because you are unaccustomed to it. Stretch yourself

and make this a part of your practice.

 

MOVEMENT - Dance or do Tai Chi or Yoga. These activities nurture

the energy in your body, filling the cells and stretching the

muscles. Actively practice hands on healing, volunteer, be active,

and move! Play or walk but do not sit and be a couch potato. That

can lead to a stagnant energy response, and you don't want that -

trust me.

 

SINGLE NOSTRIL BREATHING - If you get to hot place your thumb or

finger over your right nostril and breathe through the left

continuously and with medium force. This activates the Lunar channel

(Ida) and will immediately cool your heat. If you get to cold cover

your left nostril breath in a similar fashion and you will warm up.

This activating your Solar channel (Pingala).

 

COMPRESSION PRAYER/ALTERNATE NOSTRIL BREATING

Breathe in through he left nostril with right nostril covered or

blocked Breathe in with the mantra for example " The love of Christ "

or " Krishna " " Buddha " or " Allah " or " I am one with the all that I am "

Find one that works for you

but do not leave out a recognition of God however God is to you.

 

Use the Law of Trinity. Say the mantra three times upon the

intake of the breath through the left nostril. At the top of the

breath, Hold and say the mantra three times again.

At the beginning of the exhale switch nostrils by covering the

left and opening the right and exhaling through the right with the

mantra " the love of god " three times, timing the sequence with

a " love of God " at the beginning of the exhale and the third one at

the end of the exhale. This also applies to the inhales.

 

Now with the left nostril covered and the right nostril open,

inhale with the mantra three times through the right nostril. Hold

say to your self the mantra three times and then switch nostrils and

cover the right and exhale with the mantra through the left nostril.

This equals one cycle. This is called Triangluar breathing.

 

Looks like this: (right nostril blocked)

" The love of Christ...... .The love of Christ...... The love of

Christ "

( Holding at top of breath)

" The love of Christ...The love of Christ...The love of Christ... "

( Switching nostrils and covering left and exhaling out the right)

" The Love of God...The love of God...The love of God... "

( Keeping the left nostril blocked inhale through the right)

" The love of Christ..The love of Christ..The love of Christ "

( Holding at top of breath)

Repeat " The love of Christ " x 3 ( Switching nostrils and exhaling

through the left) The love of God " x 3

 

And so forth for 15 cycles to start. "

 

Please begin to eat root vegetables.

 

Carrots, beets, radishes, turnips, jicama, potato's, onions,

 

celery root, garlic, ginseng, ginger. Plenty of water

 

and watermelon to ease the strain on the kidneys.

 

Juices of the roots are also good.

 

For the more serious among you who can safely do so,

 

please begin a three day fast -

 

First day -nothing but water + prayer and meditation as much as

possible

 

with breaks

 

Second day -nothing but juices of these

 

roots + prayer and meditation as much as possible, with breaks

 

Third day -same

 

The Practice – Every day or night or both.

 

5 Tibetans (start slow with no more than 6 repetitions for each

Tibetan)

 

Forgiveness' s (recapitulations, forgiveness of self and others)

 

Gratitude's (For the good and the bad as teachings are acquired with

both)

 

Surrendering (opening completely to the energy with love and joy and

the

desire to be at one with the kundalini as it is revealed to you)

 

Prayers to the Shakti (goddess energy), and personal diety for

awakening.

 

Compression Prayer with alternate nostril breathing 15 cycles no

more (tongue

up, eyes up, fingers locked).

 

Meditation

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your vote of confidence chrism. :-) I will read and digest the

Safeties.

 

Blessings..

 

Paul

 

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[Guest guest]

Beautifully said, Sherri.

 

:)Troy

 

 

> And I am 61, had breast cancer twice, lost a breast, broke an ankle,

lost the love of my life, but have led a wonderful, partly tragic and

very full life. I still wake up each morning with wild anticipation as

to what will come next! And remain fascinated at the workings of all

this.

>

> Those are a few reasons I welcome the K and all that comes with her.

And there are many, many more.

>

> In gratefulness,

>

> Sherri

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Paul-

 

Not a dumb question as it represents you questioning, which is

essential, no? And I also want to put it out there that for an

individual engaging in the problems associated with kundalini may be

directly linked to what is gained. And I agree what one reads may not

be always very accurate to one's own experience. The event is

happening in you. Those who write about kundalini didn't write

specifically for you nor could they have. The view on the self is the

most important view.

 

Bless-

 

Bret

 

 

> Re: Regarding the path of Kundalini

>

> Posted by: " Paul F " paulffff paulrffff

>

> Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:29 am (PST)

>

> Thanks chrism... actually I knew when I wrote that, that it was a dumb

> question, but I thought it might spark some conversation on the

> pros and

> cons. Perhaps it isn't good to read too much at times, as everyone is

> different and will certainly react differently to anything

> experienced.

> Some of the stores do seem rather dire at times though. It seems

> that when

> you read about Kundalini, most of the text seems to be regarding the

> problems associated with it, and not with what is gained.

> Blessings to all here and thanks

> Paul

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply Bret. In theory I know you're correct, but some people

seem to have been made virtually non-functional in daily life for some years

after starting Kundalini, and since it's difficult to find a convenient

Ashram these days (at least in the USA :-)), it tends to make one think

twice about pursuing it. I think I've convinced myself to just take it as

it comes though - trust is part of the process, from what I've read.

 

Thanks!

Paul

 

 

 

>Bret Arenson <bretarenson

>

>

> Re: Regarding the path of

>Kundalini

>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:44:11 -0800

>

>Hi Paul-

>

>Not a dumb question as it represents you questioning, which is

>essential, no? And I also want to put it out there that for an

>individual engaging in the problems associated with kundalini may be

>directly linked to what is gained. And I agree what one reads may not

>be always very accurate to one's own experience. The event is

>happening in you. Those who write about kundalini didn't write

>specifically for you nor could they have. The view on the self is the

>most important view.

>

>Bless-

>

>Bret

>

>

> > Re: Regarding the path of Kundalini

> >

> > Posted by: " Paul F " paulffff paulrffff

> >

> > Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:29 am (PST)

> >

> > Thanks chrism... actually I knew when I wrote that, that it was a dumb

> > question, but I thought it might spark some conversation on the

> > pros and

> > cons. Perhaps it isn't good to read too much at times, as everyone is

> > different and will certainly react differently to anything

> > experienced.

> > Some of the stores do seem rather dire at times though. It seems

> > that when

> > you read about Kundalini, most of the text seems to be regarding the

> > problems associated with it, and not with what is gained.

> > Blessings to all here and thanks

> > Paul

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Paul,

 

You ask a legitimate question. Everybody's experience with the K is

different, and some people definitely have a rough time with it.

However, I can tell you that, since my first K surge, I have been a

much healthier, happier, and more productive person. The K brought me

an emotional balance I didn't know I could have--not to mention that,

since my K awoke, I haven't caught a single flu or cold or any of the

stuff you get when you are around people a lot. I think the bugs just

get zapped away, or perhaps the immune system gets a major boost.

Whatever.

 

As to choosing the kundalini path: when I chose it, it ignored me. It

took me by surprise twenty years later, without asking for my

permission or anything. Frankly, I am still not sure that one can

intentionally bring up the K. Perhaps it's the opposite: the energy

chooses to work on you on its own terms, and if you are in agreement

with her, all the better.

 

Cheers,

 

Sel

 

 

 

, " paulrffff "

<paulffff wrote:

>

> In re-reading my post, I fear my tone seemed critical of Kundalini -

> that was not my intent. My question was really, do all paths ultimatly

> involve Kundalini? It is difficult for me to imagine funtioning

> normally (whatever that is) in this world, while having a full blown

> Kundalini awakening as described by some here. Is it all or nothing?

>

> Thanks

> Paul

>

> > ... why someone would choose the path of Kundalini when it

> > might take 10-20 years to properly adjust to it. (I understand that

> it

> > initiates spontaneously at times.) I remember the light and sound,

> and

> > I wish to be aware of it again, but I also wish to stay in balance

> > here, and be fully functional while I'm in this world. Is Kundalini

> > right for me? If not, where would one go?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As usual Selena you are right on the mark! -

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the reply Sel. I guess I will stop worrying about it and

trust that life will unfold as it should. It is nice to hear of a more

balanced experience though. I guess the worst part would be if you had no

knowledge of it or of what to expect.

Thank you...

 

Blessings to you and all here..

 

Paul

 

> " selena230 " <selena230

>

>

> Re: Regarding the path of

>Kundalini

>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:28:17 -0000

>

>Hi Paul,

>

>You ask a legitimate question. Everybody's experience with the K is

>different, and some people definitely have a rough time with it.

>However, I can tell you that, since my first K surge, I have been a

>much healthier, happier, and more productive person. The K brought me

>an emotional balance I didn't know I could have--not to mention that,

>since my K awoke, I haven't caught a single flu or cold or any of the

>stuff you get when you are around people a lot. I think the bugs just

>get zapped away, or perhaps the immune system gets a major boost.

>Whatever.

>

>As to choosing the kundalini path: when I chose it, it ignored me. It

>took me by surprise twenty years later, without asking for my

>permission or anything. Frankly, I am still not sure that one can

>intentionally bring up the K. Perhaps it's the opposite: the energy

>chooses to work on you on its own terms, and if you are in agreement

>with her, all the better.

>

>Cheers,

>

>Sel

>

>

>

> , " paulrffff "

><paulffff wrote:

> >

> > In re-reading my post, I fear my tone seemed critical of Kundalini -

> > that was not my intent. My question was really, do all paths ultimatly

> > involve Kundalini? It is difficult for me to imagine funtioning

> > normally (whatever that is) in this world, while having a full blown

> > Kundalini awakening as described by some here. Is it all or nothing?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Paul

> >

> > > ... why someone would choose the path of Kundalini when it

> > > might take 10-20 years to properly adjust to it. (I understand that

> > it

> > > initiates spontaneously at times.) I remember the light and sound,

> > and

> > > I wish to be aware of it again, but I also wish to stay in balance

> > > here, and be fully functional while I'm in this world. Is Kundalini

> > > right for me? If not, where would one go?

> > >

> >

>

>

 

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From reading the posts on the list and from reading others experiences with K in

the past from the net, no two people are exactly the same in the activation

process. Some 10, 15, 20 years to activate even a little and others more

rapidly. The only way to learn is to ask questions, if you don't ask and you

assume you are leaving yourself out of a GREAT opportunity to learn and

experience new things. Keep asking and someone will keep answering. Many

Blessings and Much Love to you.

 

Love,

Katherine

 

Bret Arenson <bretarenson wrote:

Hi Paul-

 

Not a dumb question as it represents you questioning, which is

essential, no? And I also want to put it out there that for an

individual engaging in the problems associated with kundalini may be

directly linked to what is gained. And I agree what one reads may not

be always very accurate to one's own experience. The event is

happening in you. Those who write about kundalini didn't write

specifically for you nor could they have. The view on the self is the

most important view.

 

Bless-

 

Bret

 

> Re: Regarding the path of Kundalini

>

> Posted by: " Paul F " paulffff paulrffff

>

> Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:29 am (PST)

>

> Thanks chrism... actually I knew when I wrote that, that it was a dumb

> question, but I thought it might spark some conversation on the

> pros and

> cons. Perhaps it isn't good to read too much at times, as everyone is

> different and will certainly react differently to anything

> experienced.

> Some of the stores do seem rather dire at times though. It seems

> that when

> you read about Kundalini, most of the text seems to be regarding the

> problems associated with it, and not with what is gained.

> Blessings to all here and thanks

> Paul

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I notice that no one on this list is questioning the reality of being " led "

spiritually in practical life to go in directions that would lead one closer to

what we used to call enlightenment.

 

My experience is that life and the K will do what it will, and I have been and

am given lots of hints to follow, if I pay attention and don't doubt.

 

When I was early in my spiritual quest, all without guidance and pre K, it

occurred to me that , just maybe, things like the K (had never heard of

Kundalini until I was in the midst of heavy symptoms) were actually real but I

did not yet believe. So I decided to " pretend " that all this I read about and

experienced a little was real and to see what happened. My first act of

surrender but with an " out " , lol. At the worst, thought I, life would be as it

always was and at the best my surrendering to the spiritual guidance I felt

would lead me closer to where I wanted to be and would convince my skeptical

mind that all this was real.

 

And it did but in case anyone is in the place I was, wondering about the

practicality and realness of all this, I thought I would write.

 

In gratefulness.

 

Sherri

 

 

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-------------- Original message --------------

" Paul F " <paulffff

Thank you for the reply Sel. I guess I will stop worrying about it and

trust that life will unfold as it should. It is nice to hear of a more

balanced experience though. I guess the worst part would be if you had no

knowledge of it or of what to expect.

Thank you...

 

Blessings to you and all here..

 

Paul

 

> " selena230 " <selena230

>

>

> Re: Regarding the path of

>Kundalini

>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:28:17 -0000

>

>Hi Paul,

>

>You ask a legitimate question. Everybody's experience with the K is

>different, and some people definitely have a rough time with it.

>However, I can tell you that, since my first K surge, I have been a

>much healthier, happier, and more productive person. The K brought me

>an emotional balance I didn't know I could have--not to mention that,

>since my K awoke, I haven't caught a single flu or cold or any of the

>stuff you get when you are around people a lot. I think the bugs just

>get zapped away, or perhaps the immune system gets a major boost.

>Whatever.

>

>As to choosing the kundalini path: when I chose it, it ignored me. It

>took me by surprise twenty years later, without asking for my

>permission or anything. Frankly, I am still not sure that one can

>intentionally bring up the K. Perhaps it's the opposite: the energy

>chooses to work on you on its own terms, and if you are in agreement

>with her, all the better.

>

>Cheers,

>

>Sel

>

>

>

> , " paulrffff "

><paulffff wrote:

> >

> > In re-reading my post, I fear my tone seemed critical of Kundalini -

> > that was not my intent. My question was really, do all paths ultimatly

> > involve Kundalini? It is difficult for me to imagine funtioning

> > normally (whatever that is) in this world, while having a full blown

> > Kundalini awakening as described by some here. Is it all or nothing?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Paul

> >

> > > ... why someone would choose the path of Kundalini when it

> > > might take 10-20 years to properly adjust to it. (I understand that

> > it

> > > initiates spontaneously at times.) I remember the light and sound,

> > and

> > > I wish to be aware of it again, but I also wish to stay in balance

> > > here, and be fully functional while I'm in this world. Is Kundalini

> > > right for me? If not, where would one go?

> > >

> >

>

>

 

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Thank you, and the same to you Katherine :-)

 

 

>Katherine Miller <katsam19

>

>

>Re: Re: Regarding the path of

>Kundalini

>Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:28:02 -0800 (PST)

>

>From reading the posts on the list and from reading others experiences with

>K in the past from the net, no two people are exactly the same in the

>activation process. Some 10, 15, 20 years to activate even a little and

>others more rapidly. The only way to learn is to ask questions, if you

>don't ask and you assume you are leaving yourself out of a GREAT

>opportunity to learn and experience new things. Keep asking and someone

>will keep answering. Many Blessings and Much Love to you.

>

> Love,

> Katherine

>

>Bret Arenson <bretarenson wrote:

> Hi Paul-

>

>Not a dumb question as it represents you questioning, which is

>essential, no? And I also want to put it out there that for an

>individual engaging in the problems associated with kundalini may be

>directly linked to what is gained. And I agree what one reads may not

>be always very accurate to one's own experience. The event is

>happening in you. Those who write about kundalini didn't write

>specifically for you nor could they have. The view on the self is the

>most important view.

>

>Bless-

>

>Bret

>

> > Re: Regarding the path of Kundalini

> >

> > Posted by: " Paul F " paulffff paulrffff

> >

> > Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:29 am (PST)

> >

> > Thanks chrism... actually I knew when I wrote that, that it was a dumb

> > question, but I thought it might spark some conversation on the

> > pros and

> > cons. Perhaps it isn't good to read too much at times, as everyone is

> > different and will certainly react differently to anything

> > experienced.

> > Some of the stores do seem rather dire at times though. It seems

> > that when

> > you read about Kundalini, most of the text seems to be regarding the

> > problems associated with it, and not with what is gained.

> > Blessings to all here and thanks

> > Paul

>

>