Sufis?

[Guest guest]

Hello and group, are you aware of any links between sufis and

kundalini? The reason I'm asking is that I seem to be being guided

towards a book on sufism. Not long ago, my long-deceased grandfather

handed me a book on sufis in a dream, and a few weeks later I

happened to pull it off a bookshelf in real life. Now I don't know

anything about sufis, wasn't looking for the book, didn't know its

title, and hadn't even been in the religion section of the bookshop

before - I just walked in, saw the word " Sufism " on a spine, and felt

knowing that the cover design would be the same. When the match was

extremely good, I didn't even feel surprise, it just felt like a pre-

confirmed fact.

Now the thing is, though the book is surely a very virtuous read, it

doesn't look the slightest bit engaging or K-ish to me - there's a

big queue of far more obviously relevant spiritual reads I'd much

rather be getting on with. Even after a couple of return visits I

still haven't managed to drum up enough enthusiasm to buy it. All a

bit confusing - despite all the promise, it looks like just a dead

end. Or does it? Any thoughts?

Tom

 

http://www.amazon.com/Sufism-Love-Wisdom-Perennial-

Philosophy/dp/0941532755/sr=8-1/qid=1171908640/ref=sr_1_1/105-2667826-

1190000?ie=UTF8 & s=books

[Guest guest]

G. Gurdjieff (occultist, mentor of P.D. Ouspenskii, founder of the

Fourth Way movement) is quite difficult reading but " Beelzebub's Tales

to His Grandson " in particular talks at length about the subject, and

extensively about the 'dreaded kundabuffer' organ. They are

unfortunately regarded as all but incomprehensible. Gurdjieff

maintained that there was a dreadful and fatalistic 'obverse' side to

the kundalini, the which connects to his interesting (and famous)

depiction of the human as " food for the moon " and generally unable to

alter his own fate to a considerable degree without an understanding

and application of various " laws " of higher planes, and formulating

the " higher centers " that he considers the basis of esoteric

development, which are similar in many but not all respects to earlier

notions of the Hindus system of psychophysical chakras. Gurdjieff was

reportedly a true Sufi, initiate of that mystical tradition, and

undoubtedly a brilliant fellow, but not by any means easy to

understand. I'd start with P.D. Ouspenskii if any of this holds even

a remote interest, much easier and gives a background necessary to

approach Gurdjieff later.

-Brian

 

, " etomireland "

<singaporenoodles wrote:

>

> Hello and group, are you aware of any links between sufis and

> kundalini? The reason I'm asking is that I seem to be being guided

> towards a book on sufism.

 

> Now the thing is, though the book is surely a very virtuous read, it

> doesn't look the slightest bit engaging or K-ish to me - there's a

> big queue of far more obviously relevant spiritual reads I'd much

> rather be getting on with. Even after a couple of return visits I

> still haven't managed to drum up enough enthusiasm to buy it. All a

> bit confusing - despite all the promise, it looks like just a dead

> end. Or does it? Any thoughts?

> Tom

[Guest guest]

The Sufi systems are many and varied. To sum them all up in a phrase or brief

communication wouldn't do them justice. I will try to touch on some themes

though. Many of them are Islamic based. Some are Christian based. Like some of

the old traditional formats many are Master/student based. Some are love based.

Some are physical body control based. Some are non-dualistic and some are not.

 

Even though your grandfather gave you the book in the dream you may not be

pulled now for that exploration or at all but you may wish to purchase the book

as later you may have the desire to look through it. And remember it may be some

information that the particular book has to offer and not with the intention of

a full conversion into Sufism.

 

Our wonderful member Starstuffs wrote this about the Sufis -

 

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Greetings Chrism, Everyone,

 

I'm sorry to hear of your recent experiences regarding this subject

matter. However, I have discovered, if it's any consolation,

regardless of belief, philosophy or religion, people will act

dishonorable - which happens to goes against the said belief system.

I've always found that odd.

 

In regards to Sufism, I adore the belief system. In particular,

Hazrat Inayat Khan's wisdom is amazing for anyone seeking additional

truths. Just briefly: The philosophy of Universal Sufism revolves

around a unity of all people and religions, as well as the ability to

find beauty in all things.

 

I can see the turmoil in relation to some who practice the Sufi ways.

Sufism is about the focus on God and to let enlightment follow

naturally. So thus, attempting to wake etc the kundalini would be

considered the wrong focus. It is my understanding that after the

enlightment steps are taken THEN the kundalini awareness happens and

is a result of such balanced unfoldments of spiritual endeavors..

 

To remedy this interesting dilemma, perhaps the kundalini exercises

could be practiced with God as the primary focus.

 

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An excerpts from The Golden Sufi Center:

 

There are no such things as a royal road to God. Rubbish! Every

method is equally good. Zen method is good, kundalini method is the

same, raja yoga, all of them will lead you if you are sincere and if

you do it, do it. If you don't do it, well, no method will help.

 

We must imagine that we go deep within ourselves. Deeper and deeper

and quite deep. There we must find this place, where there is

stillness, peace and above all love. God is love, the human being is

all love, only the human has forgotten it long ago.

 

How is kundalini approached on this path?

 

" In the yoga of the heart, the kundalini awakens gently; one doesn't

notice it at first. One becomes aware of it only when it has already

reached the heart chakra; then one feels peace, release, great

gladness, and much love. Before that, kundalini is awakened so gently

that one doesn't even notice it. Kundalini can only be awakened

through deep meditation that just happens by itself. To meditate in

order to awaken kundalini is, I think, to pick up the wrong end of

the stick. The energy called kundalini is earth energy. It's

considered to be feminine and is the same energy that is at the

center of every atom. This energy is absolutely necessary to reach

reality. "

 

http://www.goldensu fi.org/A- YogaandLife. html

http://www.goldensu fi.org/A- YogaoftheHeart. html

 

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Also to share this which may help in understanding -

 

Man gets acquainted with the lataif one by one by Muraqaba (Sufi

Meditation), Dhikr (Remembrance of God) and purification of one's

psyche from negative thoughts, emotions, and actions. Loving God and

one's fellow, irrespective of his race, religion or nationality, and

without consideration for any possible reward, is the key to

ascension according to Sufis.

 

These six " organs " or faculties: Nafs, Qalb, Ruh, Sirr, Khafi &

Akhfa, and the purificative activities applied to them, contain the

basic orthodox Sufi philosophy. The purification of the elementary

passionate nature (Tazkiya-I-Nafs) , followed by cleansing of the

spiritual heart so that it may acquire a mirror-like purity of

reflection (Tazkiya-I-Qalb) and become the receptacle of God's love

(Ishq), illumination of the spirit (Tajjali-I-Ruh) fortified by

emptying of egoic drives (Taqliyya-I- Sirr) and remembrance of God's

attributes (Dhikr), and completion of journey with purification of

the last two faculties, Khafi & Akhfa. Through these " organs " or

faculties and the transformative results from their activation, the

basic Sufi psychology is outlined and bears some resemblance to the

schemata of kabbalah, but the resemblance to the tantric chakra

system is misleading, since the Sufi psychology does not operate with

anything equivalent to the esoteric energy physiology of Kundalini.

 

http://www.referenc e.com/browse/ wiki/Sufism

 

~ Keep looking up, within and without ~

 

Love and Light,

StarStuffs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you all very much - after reading your replies I decided a

third trip must surely be worthwhile! So back I went.

 

In the dream, I felt a bit dyslexic, there was a source of confusion

making me misread Sufi as Sumi. Revisiting today, the next book

along was by a poet called Rumi. Not earth-shaking, but it acted as

a mild nudge, as if to say " keep going... "

 

A few seconds later in the dream, huge pitch pipes made me experience

a strong vibration and a few seconds of disorientating altered

state. In notes afterwards, I wrote " about 10hz " . Back in the

bookshop today, treating the books as a waveform, I skip ten titles

across, and what do I find? Like a well-considered gift out of the

blue, it's a collection of wisdom-infused joke anecdotes that I used

to know and love as a child. And the owner of the original book

completes the riddle, my grandfather again! Another copy was exactly

ten titles away in the other direction too, just like it was a

waveform radiating symmetrically outwards from the original dream

image.

 

I'm rather happy now, not least because I've been given the most

suggestive hint I'm likely to get that he recovered from

Alzheimer's... thanks folks, though it seems like I shot off at a

complete tangent, I'm really rather grateful for your replies!

Tom

[Guest guest]

as an aside you might enjoy 'Conference of the Birds'

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_of_the_Birds), if Gurdjieff

leads you astray.

-brian

 

> I'm rather happy now, not least because I've been given the most

> suggestive hint I'm likely to get that he recovered from

> Alzheimer's... thanks folks, though it seems like I shot off at a

> complete tangent, I'm really rather grateful for your replies!

> Tom

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