Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I have been reading " Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man " by Krishna Gopi. I was surprised at the ease at which the Kundalini would go out of his control, almost ruining his health as he would virtually lose touch with the physical " reality " for days at a time. It seemed that he needed to limit his time in meditation or things would become too extreme. Is this a common experience when the K is fully awakened? Thanks and blessings to all... Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 You must remember that he wasn't surrendering to this process as he didn't know to do this. So everything of a Kundalini nature that came to him he would resist as much as possible and he would finally give in as the Kundalini would overpower him. This was and is the cause of many problems with the Kundalini. People will resist it and in that resistance they can become hurt. Illness, confusion, elaborate fear, weakness, and many other customized situations can befall the individual. I am in Utah now. I will be heading home tonight - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Yes things will get out of control when I meditate or as soon as I go to bed.Things have been crazy enough even when I was not meditating and I was fully awake.I found out that going for a walk when it's cold outside will stop the head pain and the maddening tingles.It starts as soon as I go to bed and sometimes I feel so wired I can't sleep.It has something to do with your ego not being in control while you meditate or sleep.My ego hasn't been in control a lot it seems. , " paulrffff " <paulffff wrote: > > I have been reading " Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man " by > Krishna Gopi. I was surprised at the ease at which the Kundalini would > go out of his control, almost ruining his health as he would virtually > lose touch with the physical " reality " for days at a time. It seemed > that he needed to limit his time in meditation or things would become > too extreme. Is this a common experience when the K is fully awakened? > > Thanks and blessings to all... > Paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Gopi Krishna had a massive blockage in one of his major nadis (either the Ida or the Pingala). Once he took care of that with a simple breathing technique, his experience improved dramatically. If the K hits a blockage, she might raise hell till she breaks through it. If we don't purify ourselves energetically, she'll do the cleaning for us the hard way! :-) Sel , " paulrffff " <paulffff wrote: > > I have been reading " Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man " by > Krishna Gopi. I was surprised at the ease at which the Kundalini would > go out of his control, almost ruining his health as he would virtually > lose touch with the physical " reality " for days at a time. It seemed > that he needed to limit his time in meditation or things would become > too extreme. Is this a common experience when the K is fully awakened? > > Thanks and blessings to all... > Paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 , " paulrffff " <paulffff wrote: > > I have been reading " Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man " by > Krishna Gopi. I was surprised at the ease at which the Kundalini would > go out of his control, almost ruining his health as he would virtually > lose touch with the physical " reality " for days at a time. It seemed > that he needed to limit his time in meditation or things would become > too extreme. Is this a common experience when the K is fully awakened? > > Thanks and blessings to all... > Paul > I took Glenn Morris' book " Path Notes of an American Ninja Master off my shelf, and flipped it open, happening upon page 36, which falls in the chapter " The Kundalini Experience " . He says this on that page: Chi sickness is the result of the body's inability to process hihgher energy or move it from place to place by the direction of the imagination. The Taoist traditions place great emphasis on wa (harmony). Moving the energy through the microcosmic and macrocosmic orbits accomplishes this mixing to help achieve inner harmony. As one's internal wattage increases it is often described as " inner fire " or " fire in the belly " since excess energy can be stored in the intestinal coil or hara. The object of the Taoist meditation is to bring the fire to the brain and then through the rest of the body. Wherever the nerve synapses are not flexible enough to handle the voltage there can be considerable pain. Eventually the body adjusts to the energy if your practice allows you to move it. [©1993 by Glenn Morris. used without permission] a few pages later he simply says: " Suppleness is critical! Gopi Krishna almost died. " . may you find something useful in there! an excellent book btw. -brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 That's interesting.. thanks.... Blessings.... Paul > " a_seventh_son " <a_seventh_son > > > Re: Regarding control in Kundalini >Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:34:43 -0000 > > , " paulrffff " ><paulffff wrote: > > > > I have been reading " Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man " by > > Krishna Gopi. I was surprised at the ease at which the Kundalini would > > go out of his control, almost ruining his health as he would virtually > > lose touch with the physical " reality " for days at a time. It seemed > > that he needed to limit his time in meditation or things would become > > too extreme. Is this a common experience when the K is fully awakened? > > > > Thanks and blessings to all... > > Paul > > >I took Glenn Morris' book " Path Notes of an American Ninja Master off >my shelf, and flipped it open, happening upon page 36, which falls in >the chapter " The Kundalini Experience " . He says this on that page: > >Chi sickness is the result of the body's inability to process hihgher >energy or move it from place to place by the direction of the >imagination. The Taoist traditions place great emphasis on wa >(harmony). Moving the energy through the microcosmic and macrocosmic >orbits accomplishes this mixing to help achieve inner harmony. As >one's internal wattage increases it is often described as " inner fire " >or " fire in the belly " since excess energy can be stored in the >intestinal coil or hara. The object of the Taoist meditation is to >bring the fire to the brain and then through the rest of the body. >Wherever the nerve synapses are not flexible enough to handle the >voltage there can be considerable pain. Eventually the body adjusts >to the energy if your practice allows you to move it. > >[©1993 by Glenn Morris. used without permission] >a few pages later he simply says: " Suppleness is critical! Gopi >Krishna almost died. " . > >may you find something useful in there! an excellent book btw. > >-brian > _______________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600 & bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 That's interesting... I'm curious, how long has it been since you activated? I would like to read about the experiences of people here in their awakenings. I guess I'll start with a search of the archives here, but if anyone has experiences not already noted somewhere on this site, I suspect many people would be interested in reading. Thanks and blessings to you and all here.. Paul > " ntaroiu " <lsirca > > > Re: Regarding control in Kundalini >Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:44:35 -0000 > >Yes things will get out of control when I meditate or as soon as I >go to bed.Things have been crazy enough even when I was not >meditating and I was fully awake.I found out that going for a walk >when it's cold outside will stop the head pain and the maddening >tingles.It starts as soon as I go to bed and sometimes I feel so >wired I can't sleep.It has something to do with your ego not being >in control while you meditate or sleep.My ego hasn't been in control >a lot it seems. > > , " paulrffff " ><paulffff wrote: > > > > I have been reading " Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man " by > > Krishna Gopi. I was surprised at the ease at which the Kundalini >would > > go out of his control, almost ruining his health as he would >virtually > > lose touch with the physical " reality " for days at a time. It >seemed > > that he needed to limit his time in meditation or things would >become > > too extreme. Is this a common experience when the K is fully >awakened? > > > > Thanks and blessings to all... > > Paul > > > > _______________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600 & bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 What he describes about the role of imagination in effecting the movement of the ch'i is not limited to Eastern practices, of course. Western esotericism has always included a strong 'visualization of energy' aspect as well - for example the " middle pillar " and even banishing/invoking rituals of the Golden Dawn are in many ways very similar to Eastern meditation practices, and generally include a physical movement element as well. -brian , " Paul F " <paulffff wrote: > > That's interesting.. thanks.... > > Blessings.... > Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Glenn was a great martial artist and teacher. His K rose with great pain near the base of his skull and he thought it would nearly kill him. He told me it was from all the injuries he had during sparring. Eventually it mellowed out, but the man had juice. He gave me shaktipat on two different occasions. His books are full of wisdom, wit, and hidden treasures. Troy > > [©1993 by Glenn Morris. used without permission] > a few pages later he simply says: " Suppleness is critical! Gopi > Krishna almost died. " . > > may you find something useful in there! an excellent book btw. > > -brian > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Chrism, It's Thursday morning in Utah. Wish you could swing by Salt Lake City - Clearfield to be exact. I'd love to meet you! Wishful thinking I know, but there it is. Ray , chrism <> wrote: > > You must remember that he wasn't surrendering to this process as he didn't know to do this. So everything of a Kundalini nature that came to him he would resist as much as possible and he would finally give in as the Kundalini would overpower him. This was and is the cause of many problems with the Kundalini. People will resist it and in that resistance they can become hurt. Illness, confusion, elaborate fear, weakness, and many other customized situations can befall the individual. I am in Utah now. I will be heading home tonight - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 he gave a lot of excellent advice on the K list and was good at knocking down egos (including for a time, yours truly who was posting over there) and was not afraid to tell people when they were indulging. by nature we are egocentric. interest in the esoteric tends to make us even more self-focused, and kundalini only intensifies those drives and experiences. we may FEEL 'blissful' or altruistic but we are just talking about ourselves and our internal states in the end, and/or involuntarily competing with others who do the same. that's not a criticism levelled at anyone, it's just the way communication tends to work. 'spiritual materialism' is going to be the disease we (as a society) get as a net result, a condition which only will intensify as the formerly esoteric becomes increasingly exploited to serve personal goals and material ends. I never met Glenn in person but talked at length with him for a while on a number of topics in and outside his books. I can definitely agree with you about the " hidden treasures " (as did he). -brian , " tbm36m " <tbm36m wrote: > > Glenn was a great martial artist and teacher. His K rose with great > pain near the base of his skull and he thought it would nearly kill > him. He told me it was from all the injuries he had during sparring. > Eventually it mellowed out, but the man had juice. He gave me > shaktipat on two different occasions. His books are full of wisdom, > wit, and hidden treasures. > > Troy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Yes hello, I met Glenn Morris on several occasions and had extensive communications with him. I had some positive and some not so positive experience with his form of martial art that he had created " Hoshin. " As well as his version of Shamanistic practices. He stayed at my family's house on the west coast when he came to give a seminar in the SF bay area. A fun and interesting person. Glenn Morris did give some excellent advice. He helped many and is a wonderful example of service to others. I did not find his books that helpful - for me - but others did. He also had some very interesting comments about Gopi Krishna's experience and did level a certain degree of harsh commentary about what he considered Gopi's exaggerated claims of illness and phenomena that Glenn did not share or experience. This was where I had to separate from Glen Morris because I did have the phenomena Gopi Krishna described. Both the good and the bad. As is proper, Glenn taught from his experience. If he didn't experience it then it wasn't real for him and therefore he found cause to eschew it as not being real for others or worthy of consideration. As far as statements regarding the universality of what we are as an individual (ego) and that it all orbits around us as it is interpreted through us. Yes this is a fact as we are choosing to express from a tableau of sensate information both internal and external. This doesn't limit us to perpetual ego centrism though. imho. Spiritual or esoteric exploration is also a product of the many. And as the many explore esotericism the individual qualities will come through but so will the shared qualities of belief and experience make contributions to our " egocentric beings " . We are only islands by choice. I do not find us limited to that though as the practice of compassion and sympathy as well as divergence of cultural values can be seen as not only internal individuation of conceptual expression but also external examples of shared experience. Having phenomena that has common attributes is another example of shared experience through similar, though not exact, expression. Kundalini has the habit of taking the ego out of the equation. And as this is continued so will the singularity of the egocentric expression be brought to a different plateau of expression. my take on it - Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " a_seventh_son " <a_seventh_son wrote: > > he gave a lot of excellent advice on the K list and was good at > knocking down egos (including for a time, yours truly who was posting > over there) and was not afraid to tell people when they were > indulging. by nature we are egocentric. interest in the esoteric > tends to make us even more self-focused, and kundalini only > intensifies those drives and experiences. we may FEEL 'blissful' or > altruistic but we are just talking about ourselves and our internal > states in the end, and/or involuntarily competing with others who do > the same. that's not a criticism levelled at anyone, it's just the way > communication tends to work. 'spiritual materialism' is going to be > the disease we (as a society) get as a net result, a condition which > only will intensify as the formerly esoteric becomes increasingly > exploited to serve personal goals and material ends. > > I never met Glenn in person but talked at length with him for a while > on a number of topics in and outside his books. I can definitely > agree with you about the " hidden treasures " (as did he). > -brian > > , " tbm36m " > <tbm36m@> wrote: > > > > Glenn was a great martial artist and teacher. His K rose with great > > pain near the base of his skull and he thought it would nearly kill > > him. He told me it was from all the injuries he had during sparring. > > Eventually it mellowed out, but the man had juice. He gave me > > shaktipat on two different occasions. His books are full of wisdom, > > wit, and hidden treasures. > > > > Troy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 by nature we are egocentric. interest in the esoteric > > tends to make us even more self-focused, and kundalini only > > intensifies those drives and experiences. we may FEEL 'blissful' > or > > altruistic but we are just talking about ourselves and our internal > > states in the end, and/or involuntarily competing with others who > do > > the same. that's not a criticism levelled at anyone, it's just the > way > > communication tends to work. 'spiritual materialism' is going to > be > > the disease we (as a society) get as a net result, a condition > which > > only will intensify as the formerly esoteric becomes increasingly > > exploited to serve personal goals and material ends. Does this mean that as we escape from the ego we become so detached that we don't care anymore about what happens or that we accept whatever happens and we do not judge it? I am asking this because I have become so detached from whatever happens to me it's scary.My children tell me something that happened to them but I am so detached I do not react like I used to do before K started.Not that I do not care, but there's understanding without reaction,no worry,no fear. Love,Nicole , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Yes hello, > I met Glenn Morris on several occasions and had extensive > communications with him. I had some positive and some not so > positive experience with his form of martial art that he had > created " Hoshin. " As well as his version of Shamanistic practices. > He stayed at my family's house on the west coast when he came to > give a seminar in the SF bay area. A fun and interesting person. > > Glenn Morris did give some excellent advice. He helped many and is a > wonderful example of service to others. > > I did not find his books that helpful - for me - but others did. He > also had some very interesting comments about Gopi Krishna's > experience and did level a certain degree of harsh commentary about > what he considered Gopi's exaggerated claims of illness and > phenomena that Glenn did not share or experience. This was where I > had to separate from Glen Morris because I did have the phenomena > Gopi Krishna described. Both the good and the bad. > > As is proper, Glenn taught from his experience. If he didn't > experience it then it wasn't real for him and therefore he found > cause to eschew it as not being real for others or worthy of > consideration. > > As far as statements regarding the universality of what we are as an > individual (ego) and that it all orbits around us as it is > interpreted through us. Yes this is a fact as we are choosing to > express from a tableau of sensate information both internal and > external. This doesn't limit us to perpetual ego centrism though. > imho. > > Spiritual or esoteric exploration is also a product of the many. And > as the many explore esotericism the individual qualities will come > through but so will the shared qualities of belief and experience > make contributions to our " egocentric beings " . We are only islands > by choice. > > I do not find us limited to that though as the practice of > compassion and sympathy as well as divergence of cultural values can > be seen as not only internal individuation of conceptual expression > but also external examples of shared experience. > > Having phenomena that has common attributes is another example of > shared experience through similar, though not exact, expression. > > Kundalini has the habit of taking the ego out of the equation. And > as this is continued so will the singularity of the egocentric > expression be brought to a different plateau of expression. my take > on it - > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- > 1 , " a_seventh_son " <a_seventh_son@> wrote: > > > > he gave a lot of excellent advice on the K list and was good at > > knocking down egos (including for a time, yours truly who was > posting > > over there) and was not afraid to tell people when they were > > indulging. by nature we are egocentric. interest in the esoteric > > tends to make us even more self-focused, and kundalini only > > intensifies those drives and experiences. we may FEEL 'blissful' > or > > altruistic but we are just talking about ourselves and our internal > > states in the end, and/or involuntarily competing with others who > do > > the same. that's not a criticism levelled at anyone, it's just the > way > > communication tends to work. 'spiritual materialism' is going to > be > > the disease we (as a society) get as a net result, a condition > which > > only will intensify as the formerly esoteric becomes increasingly > > exploited to serve personal goals and material ends. > > > > I never met Glenn in person but talked at length with him for a > while > > on a number of topics in and outside his books. I can definitely > > agree with you about the " hidden treasures " (as did he). > > -brian > > > > , " tbm36m " > > <tbm36m@> wrote: > > > > > > Glenn was a great martial artist and teacher. His K rose with > great > > > pain near the base of his skull and he thought it would nearly > kill > > > him. He told me it was from all the injuries he had during > sparring. > > > Eventually it mellowed out, but the man had juice. He gave me > > > shaktipat on two different occasions. His books are full of > wisdom, > > > wit, and hidden treasures. > > > > > > Troy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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