Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Hi Brian, I see your point regarding esoteric egocentrism. To some extent I agree with you. I have seen " gurus " in other lists go on occasional rampages and become fairly obnoxious. On the other hand, I see the process of sharing experiences as part of what it takes to create a community where people learn from each other. If none of us were willing to discuss the phenomenologies of our spiritual lives, many who go through a K experience would be left wondering whether they lost their mind. Personally, I spent almost twenty years of my life dealing with intrusive entities and thinking I was a nut case. When I developed kryias, I didn't even have a name for what was happening to me. After my first full-fledged K experience, I spent several months double-guessing myself and looking for any kind of description and information available on internet. I can't even begin to tell you how happy I was to find out that other folks had had similar experiences, and that what I was seeing and sensing was not just me losing it! This is part of the reason why I am grateful to all the people who take a risk and post their " bizarre " experiences in this and other kundalini groups. A K awakening challenges all sorts of assumptions about what is " normal, " and people can become very vulnerable both emotionally and socially. There is great comfort in knowing that what one is going through is a shared experience rather than a mental disease in need of medical attention. Not to mention the importance of finding advice and identifying signposts on a difficult path where things can potentially go very, very wrong. To be sure, the risk of self-glorification is always there--we are all human after all. However, most of the time the benefits of an open forum outweigh the costs of dealing with the occasional bout of egocentrism. After all, that's what forgiveness is for, isn't that right? ;-) Namaste, Sel , " a_seventh_son " <a_seventh_son wrote: > > he gave a lot of excellent advice on the K list and was good at > knocking down egos (including for a time, yours truly who was posting > over there) and was not afraid to tell people when they were > indulging. by nature we are egocentric. interest in the esoteric > tends to make us even more self-focused, and kundalini only > intensifies those drives and experiences. we may FEEL 'blissful' or > altruistic but we are just talking about ourselves and our internal > states in the end, and/or involuntarily competing with others who do > the same. that's not a criticism levelled at anyone, it's just the way > communication tends to work. 'spiritual materialism' is going to be > the disease we (as a society) get as a net result, a condition which > only will intensify as the formerly esoteric becomes increasingly > exploited to serve personal goals and material ends. > > I never met Glenn in person but talked at length with him for a while > on a number of topics in and outside his books. I can definitely > agree with you about the " hidden treasures " (as did he). > -brian > > , " tbm36m " > <tbm36m@> wrote: > > > > Glenn was a great martial artist and teacher. His K rose with great > > pain near the base of his skull and he thought it would nearly kill > > him. He told me it was from all the injuries he had during sparring. > > Eventually it mellowed out, but the man had juice. He gave me > > shaktipat on two different occasions. His books are full of wisdom, > > wit, and hidden treasures. > > > > Troy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 'spiritual materialism' What is 'spiritual materialism' ? )) Namaste A. , " selena230 " <selena230 wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > I see your point regarding esoteric egocentrism. To some extent I > agree with you. I have seen " gurus " in other lists go on occasional > rampages and become fairly obnoxious. On the other hand, I see the > process of sharing experiences as part of what it takes to create a > community where people learn from each other. If none of us were > willing to discuss the phenomenologies of our spiritual lives, many > who go through a K experience would be left wondering whether they > lost their mind. > > Personally, I spent almost twenty years of my life dealing with > intrusive entities and thinking I was a nut case. When I developed > kryias, I didn't even have a name for what was happening to me. After > my first full-fledged K experience, I spent several months > double-guessing myself and looking for any kind of description and > information available on internet. I can't even begin to tell you how > happy I was to find out that other folks had had similar experiences, > and that what I was seeing and sensing was not just me losing it! > > This is part of the reason why I am grateful to all the people who > take a risk and post their " bizarre " experiences in this and other > kundalini groups. A K awakening challenges all sorts of assumptions > about what is " normal, " and people can become very vulnerable both > emotionally and socially. There is great comfort in knowing that what > one is going through is a shared experience rather than a mental > disease in need of medical attention. Not to mention the importance of > finding advice and identifying signposts on a difficult path where > things can potentially go very, very wrong. > > To be sure, the risk of self-glorification is always there--we are all > human after all. However, most of the time the benefits of an open > forum outweigh the costs of dealing with the occasional bout of > egocentrism. After all, that's what forgiveness is for, isn't that > right? ;-) > > Namaste, > > Sel > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " a_seventh_son " > <a_seventh_son@> wrote: > > > > he gave a lot of excellent advice on the K list and was good at > > knocking down egos (including for a time, yours truly who was posting > > over there) and was not afraid to tell people when they were > > indulging. by nature we are egocentric. interest in the esoteric > > tends to make us even more self-focused, and kundalini only > > intensifies those drives and experiences. we may FEEL 'blissful' or > > altruistic but we are just talking about ourselves and our internal > > states in the end, and/or involuntarily competing with others who do > > the same. that's not a criticism levelled at anyone, it's just the way > > communication tends to work. 'spiritual materialism' is going to be > > the disease we (as a society) get as a net result, a condition which > > only will intensify as the formerly esoteric becomes increasingly > > exploited to serve personal goals and material ends. > > > > I never met Glenn in person but talked at length with him for a while > > on a number of topics in and outside his books. I can definitely > > agree with you about the " hidden treasures " (as did he). > > -brian > > > > , " tbm36m " > > <tbm36m@> wrote: > > > > > > Glenn was a great martial artist and teacher. His K rose with great > > > pain near the base of his skull and he thought it would nearly kill > > > him. He told me it was from all the injuries he had during > sparring. > > > Eventually it mellowed out, but the man had juice. He gave me > > > shaktipat on two different occasions. His books are full of wisdom, > > > wit, and hidden treasures. > > > > > > Troy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 spiritual materialism is the primary metaphysical error or if you like the theological version, the one and only Original Sin. it is much more than human egoic foibles and their resulting power games, it is a fundamental blunder of cognizing the nature of the absolute and unqualified in terms of the contingent and finite. in a sense, existence is one of the side effects or consequences. :-) -brian , " sarceto " <sarceto wrote: > > 'spiritual materialism' > > What is 'spiritual materialism' ? > )) > > Namaste > A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 sorry, left this off: excerpts from Chogyam Trungpa, " Cutting through Spiritual Materialism " http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/tib/cutting.htm remember that in that tradition, the Original State exists, and the goal is to 'uncover' that original or unmodified state, Patanjali's system would concur, read my comments in that light, I was not trying to be difficult. -brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Ok,thank you Brian Sometimes words confuse me lol Ligh,Love and Power A. , " a_seventh_son " <a_seventh_son wrote: > > sorry, left this off: > > excerpts from Chogyam Trungpa, " Cutting through Spiritual Materialism " > http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/tib/cutting.htm > > remember that in that tradition, the Original State exists, and the > goal is to 'uncover' that original or unmodified state, Patanjali's > system would concur, read my comments in that light, I was not trying > to be difficult. > > -brian > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Thanks for your explanation of what spiritual materialism is. Love Katherine a_seventh_son <a_seventh_son wrote: spiritual materialism is the primary metaphysical error or if you like the theological version, the one and only Original Sin. it is much more than human egoic foibles and their resulting power games, it is a fundamental blunder of cognizing the nature of the absolute and unqualified in terms of the contingent and finite. in a sense, existence is one of the side effects or consequences. :-) -brian , " sarceto " <sarceto wrote: > > 'spiritual materialism' > > What is 'spiritual materialism' ? > )) > > Namaste > A. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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