Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Hi Chrism- Much of what you say about service here is anonymous service. I am not knocking this but if you would please discuss the the aspects of service to loved ones, family, friends and associates. You can give service to a friend or a love one without any wish for recompense but there is always a personal benefit of a greater bonding and trust within the relationship. And in this bonding the one who gave service may request a service of the other when the need for help arises because this is one they now trust. This is relationship building and within this there is still an important part of giving service, even though the selfless aspect may not be so apparent. In regards to anonymity sometimes I sit in one place outside and pass out blessings. I try to be anonymous but I am sure I call attention to myself by the gyrations and cries this elicits in me. I do not know if there is any actual benefit received to the others from doing this, so this may just be entertaining a fantasy in the guise of giving service. But what it does do is to change my attitude of others in the world, that all are entitled to grace and that means also a welcoming and nonjudgmental attention from me to their inviolable right of this. (Just to note, I do know this message was about karma, the nuts and bolt of which I personally do not consider too much.) Kiss Bret > wrote this--> > > Pardon my inability at explanation. Let me add to the previous > answer. Love is the great balancer. Selfless service meaning that > which is not intended for recompense does not carry a dept, golden > or otherwise. Charities are often used as a place for tax reduction > and other issues of wealth and they are good devices but they are > not unattached. Non attachment is a lesson directed to > materialism,. body being beautiful or ego driven desires as in > power or position. Personal aggrandizement, or material wealth. > These are what can be seen as areas for non-attachment to be > placed. Love is not that area. Love that is of a higher purpose. > Certain qualities of love that are based in need are not what I mean. > > When I go into the hospitals they do not even know my name. I give, > and allow them to receive what is appropriate for them. I do not > wait and see about results. > > Helping someone cross the street. Helping someone over an illness, > Helping a child find its parents, helping or providing a service > behind the scenes without an " attaboy " ' or an " attagiirl. " Stopping > at the scene of an accident and pulling someone out of a car or > giving aid. These are not Golden unless you attach a quality of > wanting to be noticed or desiring to be seen as the helper or the > hero or heroine. These are fine and yes they are positive but they > do incur a reverse karmic dept. In many cases. They become Golden. > Not always as we are individuals. I am giving broad outlines here. > > So much is based in how the person views the actions being > committed. And what if any expectations are being put in place. > Your attitude counts. > > When you reach a point of allowing the goodness of service to be > your guidance and eschew the notoriety of the good deed or helpful > service,olr any though of " pay back " then you are erasing Karma. Or > balancing it. This has been and is the understanding of it in this > area that I have. - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Bret, What, I believe, meant was that it is the *motive/intention* behind the service that is important. Usually, if one is willing to provide service without expectation for reward/recognition (emotional included), that's, by definition, the selfless service. If one's motive includes a hope for a reward of some sort - that sows a karmic seed, even if for a future reward (positive karma). If when you are giving service to your family your motive is just that - to give service, regardless of the potential recognition - then it's the selfless type, even though anonymity would obviously not apply and you may still benefit in some way. Ego is pretty crafty , and sometimes even the person rendering service may not be able to tell if the motive is absolutely pure or not. Asking yourself if you would still have a desire to perform an act of service should you remain anonymous is a great test to help yourself uncover how pure your desire to be in service is. Hope this helps, M On 3/25/07, Bret Arenson <bretarenson wrote: > > Hi Chrism- > > Much of what you say about service here is anonymous service. I am > not knocking this but if you would please discuss the the aspects of > service to loved ones, family, friends and associates. You can give > service to a friend or a love one without any wish for recompense but > there is always a personal benefit of a greater bonding and trust > within the relationship. And in this bonding the one who gave service > may request a service of the other when the need for help arises > because this is one they now trust. This is relationship building and > within this there is still an important part of giving service, even > though the selfless aspect may not be so apparent. > > In regards to anonymity sometimes I sit in one place outside and pass > out blessings. I try to be anonymous but I am sure I call attention > to myself by the gyrations and cries this elicits in me. I do not > know if there is any actual benefit received to the others from doing > this, so this may just be entertaining a fantasy in the guise of > giving service. But what it does do is to change my attitude of > others in the world, that all are entitled to grace and that means > also a welcoming and nonjudgmental attention from me to their > inviolable right of this. > > (Just to note, I do know this message was about karma, the nuts and > bolt of which I personally do not consider too much.) > > Kiss Bret > > wrote this--> > > > > Pardon my inability at explanation. Let me add to the previous > > answer. Love is the great balancer. Selfless service meaning that > > which is not intended for recompense does not carry a dept, golden > > or otherwise. Charities are often used as a place for tax reduction > > and other issues of wealth and they are good devices but they are > > not unattached. Non attachment is a lesson directed to > > materialism,. body being beautiful or ego driven desires as in > > power or position. Personal aggrandizement, or material wealth. > > These are what can be seen as areas for non-attachment to be > > placed. Love is not that area. Love that is of a higher purpose. > > Certain qualities of love that are based in need are not what I mean. > > > > When I go into the hospitals they do not even know my name. I give, > > and allow them to receive what is appropriate for them. I do not > > wait and see about results. > > > > Helping someone cross the street. Helping someone over an illness, > > Helping a child find its parents, helping or providing a service > > behind the scenes without an " attaboy " ' or an " attagiirl. " Stopping > > at the scene of an accident and pulling someone out of a car or > > giving aid. These are not Golden unless you attach a quality of > > wanting to be noticed or desiring to be seen as the helper or the > > hero or heroine. These are fine and yes they are positive but they > > do incur a reverse karmic dept. In many cases. They become Golden. > > Not always as we are individuals. I am giving broad outlines here. > > > > So much is based in how the person views the actions being > > committed. And what if any expectations are being put in place. > > Your attitude counts. > > > > When you reach a point of allowing the goodness of service to be > > your guidance and eschew the notoriety of the good deed or helpful > > service,olr any though of " pay back " then you are erasing Karma. Or > > balancing it. This has been and is the understanding of it in this > > area that I have. - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Yes Bret, Marina, Yes Bret do those good things! And Marina - Right on target! Thank you both for your clarifications. Karma is so difficult for me to try and explain. I like simplicity. " Do good things and good things will come to you. " I advise the " service " because of what it does for the reception of the Kundalini. The smooth flow is conducive to a positive experience. So its all good as far as I am concerned. And if I come back to a life on this plane because of it. Fine. My sacrifice. The Karma question is important and needed though and I thank Paul for asking it. - blessings all - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 I like that, it is a good barometer of our intentions. Sarita , " Marina Felix " <mattocks.marina wrote: > > Asking yourself if you would still have a desire to perform an act of > service should you remain anonymous is a great test to help yourself uncover > how pure your desire to be in service is. > > Hope this helps, > M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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