Garys advice to a Kundalini scared person. - Kerry

March 25, 2007

To take the last part first Kerry, I don't think there are any hard

and fast rules. Everyone is different and yet the Kundalini

phenomenon does have a series of patterns that are expressed. These

patterns are to a degree felt differently by everyone and yet with

enough similarity that rules that are flexible can be applied.

From what I have noticed people get to a certain point of

development. By themselves they are often compelled to search out

the Kundalini. They find themselves in the presence of those who

they feel have information that applies to them or they find that

information on their own this doesn't matter as long as it feels

truthful to them. This sets up a new sphere of development. The

causes of that development (what paths have been taken) will engage

a certain type of activation. Previous lives will make a difference

but that can't really be put into the equation unless that life is

demonstrably remembered and cues are taken from it.

As we are all individual are pathways inside that development are

unique and yet we arrive at a similar place. As the Kundalini is

activated by whatever means those pathways can influence the

phenomena in certain ways. And yet we still are at the place to

receive and the Kundalini will demonstrate certain qualities that

can be tracked even though the pathways are unique.

My flow feels to me like a very physical rod that grows up the spine

when it is appropriate to do so. It is a tangible physical presence.

But this is how it is for me and some others. A broad wave up the

spine is a healthy flow. As the dynamics of your flow develop and

you continue to progress inside it your flow position and expression

may change. You are feeling a certain way largely because of the new

qualities of your flow and your rewiring isn't complete. Give it

some time and yours will take on attributes that do not feel present

at the moment.

As far as Gopi's flow goes and whether or not you would know if it

was crooked in you well his pain and disorientation speaks for

itself. And yet if had been able to find some reliable instruction

his flow could have been altered by another much sooner and his fear

levels would have far less severe. I have done " flow treatments " on

active Kundalini people who have had extreme difficulty in the

expression of the Kundalini and the blockages of chakras and the

incursion of entities allowed because of those blockages. These are

helpful. Gopi needed to have his experience so he could help folks

like me and many others who were becoming active at the time of his

ending. I think that was in 89 not sure though. His book answered

many questions for me.

As far as bliss goes. I find it tied very closely to the expression

of love. Divine love coming through a person causes the body to

respond with bliss. I feel everyone has this availability but not

within a specific timeline. It will come when it should. When the

body is ready. imho- lol

Yes it is a dangerous path and yes you are correct everyone has

different levels of response to burning and demons and fear. When a

person comes into the Kundalini it usually isn't an accident. There

have been two folks who have had difficult responses to the

Shaktipat I give. And this is why the safeties are now concurrent

with any Shaktipat and act as a governance of that Shaktipat. The

transmission may not be strong because of the lack of practice but

they won't go ballistic either. Works for me.

Takes me back to that old saying " God doesn't give you anything you

cannot handle " Kundalini is this gift imho. - I hope I helped you in

some small way Kerry. This is only my opinion. -

March 25, 2007

Thank you again, Chrism, for your time and wisdom. This did help a lot. I know I

have had

a lot of questions and 'devil's advocate' mechanisms and I'm sorry if I've been

a pest! It's

just that I was totally and completely stunned by this experience, to say the

very least. I

have always been a sensitive person, and had an interest in all things spiritual

and the

concept of energy, but I never thought it would be so tangible for me. And the

fact that it

has caused so many random, excruciating pains, and more importantly, the fact

that it has

changed me thoroughly and utterly in a matter of 4 months. 4 months!! I no

longer care

for writing, painting, drawing, I no longer want to design. I just want to build

a house in

the country around some mountains and have babies now! I no longer care for a

lot of

things I once did. I feel blessed that it came so early in my life because I

think if it had've

come later I would not have the mental flexibility to handle it. But who can say

for sure of

course.

Essentially I just want to make sure that since this is obviously a huge part of

my life now

that I am doing things right. I know the experience is different for everyone

but I have

found a vast amount of commonalities between us all and I have wanted to adhere

as

much as possible to the common things that seem to work. And since my energetic

experiences have, seemingly, not been through the Sushumna channel (although I

can't

say for sure) I've been a bit freaked out. But you are right, Gopi's experiences

do speak for

themselves - being that I, or anyone else, would know if something was THAT

wrong. And

I do not see demon faces in the night, nor do I feel like my organs are going to

burn up

cell by cell.

I am a firm believer that you are given nothing that you cannot handle, and you

saying that

really brought things around full circle. Thank you again, Chrism!!

Lots of love,

Kerry

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> To take the last part first Kerry, I don't think there are any hard

> and fast rules. Everyone is different and yet the Kundalini

> phenomenon does have a series of patterns that are expressed. These

> patterns are to a degree felt differently by everyone and yet with

> enough similarity that rules that are flexible can be applied.

>

> From what I have noticed people get to a certain point of

> development. By themselves they are often compelled to search out

> the Kundalini. They find themselves in the presence of those who

> they feel have information that applies to them or they find that

> information on their own this doesn't matter as long as it feels

> truthful to them. This sets up a new sphere of development. The

> causes of that development (what paths have been taken) will engage

> a certain type of activation. Previous lives will make a difference

> but that can't really be put into the equation unless that life is

> demonstrably remembered and cues are taken from it.

>

> As we are all individual are pathways inside that development are

> unique and yet we arrive at a similar place. As the Kundalini is

> activated by whatever means those pathways can influence the

> phenomena in certain ways. And yet we still are at the place to

> receive and the Kundalini will demonstrate certain qualities that

> can be tracked even though the pathways are unique.

>

> My flow feels to me like a very physical rod that grows up the spine

> when it is appropriate to do so. It is a tangible physical presence.

> But this is how it is for me and some others. A broad wave up the

> spine is a healthy flow. As the dynamics of your flow develop and

> you continue to progress inside it your flow position and expression

> may change. You are feeling a certain way largely because of the new

> qualities of your flow and your rewiring isn't complete. Give it

> some time and yours will take on attributes that do not feel present

> at the moment.

>

> As far as Gopi's flow goes and whether or not you would know if it

> was crooked in you well his pain and disorientation speaks for

> itself. And yet if had been able to find some reliable instruction

> his flow could have been altered by another much sooner and his fear

> levels would have far less severe. I have done " flow treatments " on

> active Kundalini people who have had extreme difficulty in the

> expression of the Kundalini and the blockages of chakras and the

> incursion of entities allowed because of those blockages. These are

> helpful. Gopi needed to have his experience so he could help folks

> like me and many others who were becoming active at the time of his

> ending. I think that was in 89 not sure though. His book answered

> many questions for me.

>

> As far as bliss goes. I find it tied very closely to the expression

> of love. Divine love coming through a person causes the body to

> respond with bliss. I feel everyone has this availability but not

> within a specific timeline. It will come when it should. When the

> body is ready. imho- lol

>

> Yes it is a dangerous path and yes you are correct everyone has

> different levels of response to burning and demons and fear. When a

> person comes into the Kundalini it usually isn't an accident. There

> have been two folks who have had difficult responses to the

> Shaktipat I give. And this is why the safeties are now concurrent

> with any Shaktipat and act as a governance of that Shaktipat. The

> transmission may not be strong because of the lack of practice but

> they won't go ballistic either. Works for me.

>

> Takes me back to that old saying " God doesn't give you anything you

> cannot handle " Kundalini is this gift imho. - I hope I helped you in

> some small way Kerry. This is only my opinion. -

>

March 25, 2007

Hi Kerry-

Ask all the questions you want. In fact the more questions you find

the better. And don't be afraid to give up critical thinking. It may

one way the Kundalini is speaking through you. Why not? Only you can

know.

Peace

Bret

> I know I have had

> a lot of questions and 'devil's advocate' mechanisms and I'm sorry

> if I've been a pest!

March 25, 2007

Bret thank you so much for encouraging a member to ask questions and giving up

critical thinking. It is important for questions to be asked. I have always been

taught the only stupid questions are the ones not asked. I feel that is true.

What might seem stupid to one person may not be stupid to others. I feel asking

questions are just as important as treating others how you want to be treated!

That is what God wants from us and what K wants as well. Once again thank you

Bret from acknowledging the importance of a question and taking others

seriously, not for granted.

Love,

Katherine

Bret Arenson <bretarenson wrote:

Hi Kerry-

Ask all the questions you want. In fact the more questions you find

the better. And don't be afraid to give up critical thinking. It may

one way the Kundalini is speaking through you. Why not? Only you can

know.

Peace

Bret

> I know I have had

> a lot of questions and 'devil's advocate' mechanisms and I'm sorry

> if I've been a pest!

March 26, 2007

Uh-

I meant to say to NOT give up critical thinking as this may be the

way Kundalini is expressing itself. I mean she may be getting you to

see something that is unique to you and getting it to you in this

way. Surrender could mean surrender to your thinking, why not? It is

up to you to know if your thoughts are an opening or a shutting down.

(Did it seem out of character for me to any of you to say otherwise?

Just wondering.) But still it is good advice to listen and respect

what others have to offer, as you say Katherine. Critical thinking is

not about being critical of others but in really looking into what is

being presented (whatever the source) from one's own perspective, and

asking all the questions you can honestly find about it. Is this what

Jana Yoga is about?

Bret

> Bret thank you so much for encouraging a member to ask questions

> and giving up critical thinking. It is important for questions to

> be asked. I have always been taught the only stupid questions are

> the ones not asked. I feel that is true. What might seem stupid to

> one person may not be stupid to others. I feel asking questions are

> just as important as treating others how you want to be treated!

> That is what God wants from us and what K wants as well. Once again

> thank you Bret from acknowledging the importance of a question and

> taking others seriously, not for granted.

>

> Love,

> Katherine

>

> Bret Arenson <bretarenson wrote:

> Hi Kerry-

>

> Ask all the questions you want. In fact the more questions you find

> the better. And don't be afraid to give up critical thinking. It may

> one way the Kundalini is speaking through you. Why not? Only you can

> know.

>

> Peace

>

> Bret

March 26, 2007

Bret,

I knew what you meant! I believe one was not born knowing everything sot

questions and observation are critical, as is critical thinking! Anyway, I sense

some are afraid to ask questions, and those who do question how people will take

their asking.