Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Hi Elektra! I agree with you and I don't think it is WRONG to ask for what you think you need. That said, the Universe sometimes has other things in mind for us than we do. There have been times I was sure I knew exactly what I " needed " only to find out later I was completely off base. I think we all have previous agreements/lessons in place and fighting against it will only make it harder. This is why I have learned (after many hard times, lol) to pray for the higher good of a situation or a person. I figure, who am I to decide what is best? If I spend all my time praying for the outcome " I " want, I might miss something important. I agree with you 150% about standing up for yourself and putting your happiness at high priority. If we are unhappy or miserable, stuck in our own dramas, how can we be of service or use to others? I think it is a fine tight rope we walk at times. Sarita , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > I just can't understand how it can be wrong to ask for > what you need in life, maybe it's cultural but my > happiness comes first, no one needs to be a martyr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I am beginning to understand that the universe will truly within every aspect mirror and amplify (under certain positive conditions) our true intent. Yes there must be a 'self preservation' streak within our self, manifested as an aspect of the ego. But it once again comes back to 'conditioning and evolving' the ego. Part of surrender. Selfless service an integral trail to commit to this conditioning. To understand our self we must understand the entire universe exists within us - but to truly start living we must step outside our selves. If we truly want the most beautiful and best for others, and this is all that concerns us, then it is a counterbalancing fact that our own experiential reality will be compensated appropriately by the harmonizing balance of universal law. I believe this is where we should try to position our intent. with love to you all, glen o. , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > I just can't understand how it can be wrong to ask for > what you need in life, maybe it's cultural but my > happiness comes first, no one needs to be a martyr. I > think that is a very great lesson to learn, when we > don't speak our true feelings or stand up for what we > need it drains us and makes us sick and tired. > I'm very much one for self preservation, look after > yourself, only then can you look after others. > don't live your life by someone elses rules and don't > bow down and make yourself unhappy. > Some times tough love is good. > Families can be masters at emotional blackmail, it > just won't wash with me. > Sounds harsh, but it's just being strong for myself. > Society has taught us that emotional blackmail is > somehow OK and a normal way to exist within the family > unit. I strongly disagree. > If a friend did it to me, I wouldn't stand for it, > same goes for family. > > Love and peaceful home enviroments, > Elektra x x x > > > --- Puspanjali Rath <ucopuspa wrote: > > > - > > Ohhh my God......Thats exactly how I feel......The > > moment I am back > > I can sense the negetivity.....I have been trying > > everything to > > clear up the energy field around me...I have a > > choice to move out > > but my conscience is telling me its > > unethical.....May be I too > > should pray for the best outcome like you did Sarita > > and the issue > > will be resolved .....Or may be this a lesson I have > > to learn in > > this life time. > > Love > > Puspanjali > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , > > " Sarita " > > <sarita1969@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes! That's exactly how I feel and I have become > > much more > > sensitive > > > to negativity in the past few months. > > > > > > Sarita > > > > > > --- In > > , > > " ntaroiu " > > > <lsirca@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I know what you are talking about Sarita.Her > > being so negative > > is > > > > draining your energy and she makes you depressed > > just by being > > > > there, even if she does not say a thing.I > > noticed this when my > > > > mother still lived with us and I noticed how > > different I felt > > when I > > > > went somewhere and then I came back home.As soon > > as I would get > > > > through the door it would hit me in the face. > > > > > > > > Love,Nicole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Of course I understand clearly all the spiritual theory and agree whole heartedly but I think our home is a sacred space, and at times the universe wants us to understand that to stand up for ourself is not wrong as a spiritual being, many " seekers " allow themselves to be trod down due to a desire of avoiding confrontation. We all desrve a sacred space to come home to, full of peace. If we are to have the strength to forgive and release we need to have the energy within to " really " feel the love. When we are sick or tired we are depleted and find it difficult. Sometimes part of the " lesson " is to do what's best for you, which in turn can have a positive affect on those around you. I'm not saying you should get angry and attack people, just find a way to inforce your power of the will of god. We need to learn to use the will with the love. That can be the lesson. If I give in to families emotional blackmail, it's like saying, hey, that kind of behaviour pays off. Instead, I like to send out the message, this won't get you anywhere. Then I find they stop using this childish behaviour. Just my thoughts, with love and respect, Elektra x x x --- Glen Olah <glen_olah wrote: > I am beginning to understand that the universe will > truly within every > aspect mirror and amplify (under certain positive > conditions) our true > intent. Yes there must be a 'self preservation' > streak within our > self, manifested as an aspect of the ego. But it > once again comes back > to 'conditioning and evolving' the ego. Part of > surrender. Selfless > service an integral trail to commit to this > conditioning. To > understand our self we must understand the entire > universe exists > within us - but to truly start living we must step > outside our selves. > > If we truly want the most beautiful and best for > others, and this is > all that concerns us, then it is a counterbalancing > fact that our own > experiential reality will be compensated > appropriately by the > harmonizing balance of universal law. > > I believe this is where we should try to position > our intent. > > with love to you all, glen o. > > > --- In > , > Elektra Fire > <elektra.fire wrote: > > > > I just can't understand how it can be wrong to ask > for > > what you need in life, maybe it's cultural but my > > happiness comes first, no one needs to be a > martyr. I > > think that is a very great lesson to learn, when > we > > don't speak our true feelings or stand up for what > we > > need it drains us and makes us sick and tired. > > I'm very much one for self preservation, look > after > > yourself, only then can you look after others. > > don't live your life by someone elses rules and > don't > > bow down and make yourself unhappy. > > Some times tough love is good. > > Families can be masters at emotional blackmail, it > > just won't wash with me. > > Sounds harsh, but it's just being strong for > myself. > > Society has taught us that emotional blackmail is > > somehow OK and a normal way to exist within the > family > > unit. I strongly disagree. > > If a friend did it to me, I wouldn't stand for it, > > same goes for family. > > > > Love and peaceful home enviroments, > > Elektra x x x > > > > > > --- Puspanjali Rath <ucopuspa wrote: > > > > > - > > > Ohhh my God......Thats exactly how I > feel......The > > > moment I am back > > > I can sense the negetivity.....I have been > trying > > > everything to > > > clear up the energy field around me...I have a > > > choice to move out > > > but my conscience is telling me its > > > unethical.....May be I too > > > should pray for the best outcome like you did > Sarita > > > and the issue > > > will be resolved .....Or may be this a lesson I > have > > > to learn in > > > this life time. > > > Love > > > Puspanjali > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In > , > > > " Sarita " > > > <sarita1969@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes! That's exactly how I feel and I have > become > > > much more > > > sensitive > > > > to negativity in the past few months. > > > > > > > > Sarita > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , > > > " ntaroiu " > > > > <lsirca@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I know what you are talking about > Sarita.Her > > > being so negative > > > is > > > > > draining your energy and she makes you > depressed > > > just by being > > > > > there, even if she does not say a thing.I > > > noticed this when my > > > > > mother still lived with us and I noticed how > > > different I felt > > > when I > > > > > went somewhere and then I came back home.As > soon > > > as I would get > > > > > through the door it would hit me in the > face. > > > > > > > > > > Love,Nicole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 I agree Elektra. I have done that with a few family members that saw fit to step on my toes and tell me how my husband and I should be living our lives. We have made decisions that we feel are best for our family after much consideration (such as my husband working from home so he can be with our daughter) and it is disheartening when someone tromps all over that. Interjecting and projecting their desires for our lives on us. I did put a stop to that. I just need to find ways to get these messages across in a firm but kind way. I am not always very subtle when I deal with these issues, but I am trying. It's a constant struggle, but one that I feel I am winning. Thanks for all your wonderful thoughts! Sarita , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > Of course I understand clearly all the spiritual > theory and agree whole heartedly but I think our home > is a sacred space, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 I hear entirely where you are coming from Elektra, though I was inferring something a little deeper. What is not a part of our self we do not acknowledge. It no longer has anything to do with our universe. That goes for likes and dislikes. So it is a matter for us to condition the ego (as the controller of our outward experience) so we may lift the level and exponentially amplify the enjoyment of the inward experience. In other words, be able to smile with compassion and tenderness at another's quirks - which might previously have been considered annoyances. I found this quote a couple of weeks ago that demonstrates my reasoning; " It is only imperfection that complains of what is imperfect. The more perfect we are, the more gentle and quiet we become towards the defects of others. " - Joseph Addison thanks for listening, love, glen o. , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > Of course I understand clearly all the spiritual > theory and agree whole heartedly but I think our home > is a sacred space, and at times the universe wants us > to understand that to stand up for ourself is not > wrong as a spiritual being, many " seekers " allow > themselves to be trod down due to a desire of avoiding > confrontation. > We all desrve a sacred space to come home to, full of > peace. If we are to have the strength to forgive and > release we need to have the energy within to " really " > feel the love. When we are sick or tired we are > depleted and find it difficult. > Sometimes part of the " lesson " is to do what's best > for you, which in turn can have a positive affect on > those around you. > I'm not saying you should get angry and attack people, > just find a way to inforce your power of the will of > god. We need to learn to use the will with the love. > That can be the lesson. > If I give in to families emotional blackmail, it's > like saying, hey, that kind of behaviour pays off. > Instead, I like to send out the message, this won't > get you anywhere. Then I find they stop using this > childish behaviour. > Just my thoughts, > with love and respect, > Elektra x x x > > --- Glen Olah <glen_olah wrote: > > > I am beginning to understand that the universe will > > truly within every > > aspect mirror and amplify (under certain positive > > conditions) our true > > intent. Yes there must be a 'self preservation' > > streak within our > > self, manifested as an aspect of the ego. But it > > once again comes back > > to 'conditioning and evolving' the ego. Part of > > surrender. Selfless > > service an integral trail to commit to this > > conditioning. To > > understand our self we must understand the entire > > universe exists > > within us - but to truly start living we must step > > outside our selves. > > > > If we truly want the most beautiful and best for > > others, and this is > > all that concerns us, then it is a counterbalancing > > fact that our own > > experiential reality will be compensated > > appropriately by the > > harmonizing balance of universal law. > > > > I believe this is where we should try to position > > our intent. > > > > with love to you all, glen o. > > > > > > --- In > > , > > Elektra Fire > > <elektra.fire@> wrote: > > > > > > I just can't understand how it can be wrong to ask > > for > > > what you need in life, maybe it's cultural but my > > > happiness comes first, no one needs to be a > > martyr. I > > > think that is a very great lesson to learn, when > > we > > > don't speak our true feelings or stand up for what > > we > > > need it drains us and makes us sick and tired. > > > I'm very much one for self preservation, look > > after > > > yourself, only then can you look after others. > > > don't live your life by someone elses rules and > > don't > > > bow down and make yourself unhappy. > > > Some times tough love is good. > > > Families can be masters at emotional blackmail, it > > > just won't wash with me. > > > Sounds harsh, but it's just being strong for > > myself. > > > Society has taught us that emotional blackmail is > > > somehow OK and a normal way to exist within the > > family > > > unit. I strongly disagree. > > > If a friend did it to me, I wouldn't stand for it, > > > same goes for family. > > > > > > Love and peaceful home enviroments, > > > Elektra x x x > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Yes, we should all strive to reach this. With what has been going on in my situation, this quote couldn't have come at a better time. Sarita , " Glen Olah " <glen_olah wrote: > > I found this quote a couple of weeks ago that demonstrates my reasoning; > > " It is only imperfection that complains of what is imperfect. The more > perfect we are, the more gentle and quiet we become towards the > defects of others. " > - Joseph Addison > > thanks for listening, love, glen o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Yes, I really like that quote too... Thanks glen.. Blessings... Paul > " Sarita " <sarita1969 > > > Re: My Challenge- everyone >Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:47:05 -0000 > >Yes, we should all strive to reach this. With what has been going on >in my situation, this quote couldn't have come at a better time. > >Sarita > > , " Glen Olah " ><glen_olah wrote: > > > > I found this quote a couple of weeks ago that demonstrates my >reasoning; > > > > " It is only imperfection that complains of what is imperfect. The >more > > perfect we are, the more gentle and quiet we become towards the > > defects of others. " > > - Joseph Addison > > > > thanks for listening, love, glen o. > > _______________ Download Messenger. Join the i’m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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