Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Bless you, Anne. You needed to say all that and I felt what you feel. It was a release for you and I bet you feel better after getting that off your chest. I've had my share of bf karma, boy!! It must be a part of our learning experience, for sure. This is just my 2 cents worth, and by no means take it unless it resonates with you...but in my experience, and as I'm finding now, if the person is on a different level spiritually than you, it can make things difficult. Not insurmountable but definitely difficult. You are a seeker on a spiritual path and it sounds like you've come leaps and bounds in the last year or few years. Is your boyfriend on the same level? If you can relate there, then other things will fall into place a little easier. It's not the be all and end all but it would make things more realistic or doable. Someone to share the priorities in your life rather than someone who is not on the same page as you. I can tell you, I've " awakened " since marrying my husband but he hasn't changed in that regard. He doesn't believe in the spiritual things I do (airy-fairy is his word for it). So it is a topic we can't even discuss without anger coming in. Being secretive would be worse. This is something I didn't forsee when we married because I wasn't there yet. And I love him dearly but on this issue he won't change. Were I looking for romance today, I would start by looking for another person on a similar spiritual path. It's hard to pull someone up by the bootstraps when they resist (which means I shouldn't be doing it, then) and it pulls you down as well, not letting you rise to the level you could. Does that make sense? Anyway, that's my rant for today! It is where I am right now and I just hope by putting it out there that it will let someone else see the experience without having to live it for themselves. Anyway, as I say, only if it resonates with you..otherwise, you can just chuck it out. Thank you for sharing your heart with us, Anne, I'm glad you are here, too. I wish you luck in finding what you seek. I've been there and know how it feels... Blessings, Valarie Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Hi Valarie, My ex of 5 years, we had big issues about religious beliefs though I do not consider myself religious. I was born Catholic, but converted to born-again Christian in 1997. That was the first time I ever felt closer and have a deeper relationship with Jesus (God/Holy Spirit). My taiwanese ex was Buddhist, but did not practice it. Most asian cultures are buddhist. So, it was hard. We had talks about how our children will grow up - as Buddhist, Catholic or Christian? To me, religion was not important, as long as you have a personal relationship with God. The guy I dated after him was a Christian and I thought that everything would be better. I was wrong. He was verbally abusive. He knew that I am into this stuff and he thought I was weird and was very judgemental. My current bf is Catholic, but I don't think he's religious. One of my friends could see auras and saw his picture a year ago. He told me things about my bf though he never met him in person - this is just from seeing an old picture. I was concerned, so I suggested color therapy so he can clear his aura. I mentioned about it and it freaked him out. Since then, I stopped talking about stuff like these. Ofcourse, it would be nice if the person I am with is on the same spiritual path as I am or at least accept my path. He doesn't have to take that path, but just knowing the other person isn't bothered by it, doesn't think I'm weird just because I have different interests etc.. because I like talking and sharing about my spiritual experiences. Unfortunately I have no one - none of my friends here in Chicago wants to hear about it because they get scared. I talk to my mom about it, but she's not here (she's back home in the Philippines). My bestfriend and a few chosen friends who knows and are in the same path as I am live in another state and country. I'm glad I opened up here. I guess I suppressed all of my feelings for so long. I didn't even realize I am still doing it. I felt better after I cried too. I haven't cried since breaking up with the 5 yr bf and my aunt's death - that was in 2003. At least I don't depend on anti-depressants anymore. Besides, it makes me palpitate. Thanks for listening. Just Me, Anne , Valarie Vousden <vjvousden wrote: > > Bless you, Anne. You needed to say all that and I felt what you feel. It was a release for you and I bet you feel better after getting that off your chest. I've had my share of bf karma, boy!! It must be a part of our learning experience, for sure. > > This is just my 2 cents worth, and by no means take it unless it resonates with you...but in my experience, and as I'm finding now, if the person is on a different level spiritually than you, it can make things difficult. Not insurmountable but definitely difficult. You are a seeker on a spiritual path and it sounds like you've come leaps and bounds in the last year or few years. Is your boyfriend on the same level? If you can relate there, then other things will fall into place a little easier. It's not the be all and end all but it would make things more realistic or doable. Someone to share the priorities in your life rather than someone who is not on the same page as you. I can tell you, I've " awakened " since marrying my husband but he hasn't changed in that regard. He doesn't believe in the spiritual things I do (airy-fairy is his word for it). So it is a topic we can't even discuss without anger coming in. Being secretive would be worse. This is something I didn't > forsee when we married because I wasn't there yet. And I love him dearly but on this issue he won't change. Were I looking for romance today, I would start by looking for another person on a similar spiritual path. It's hard to pull someone up by the bootstraps when they resist (which means I shouldn't be doing it, then) and it pulls you down as well, not letting you rise to the level you could. Does that make sense? Anyway, that's my rant for today! It is where I am right now and I just hope by putting it out there that it will let someone else see the experience without having to live it for themselves. Anyway, as I say, only if it resonates with you..otherwise, you can just chuck it out. > > Thank you for sharing your heart with us, Anne, I'm glad you are here, too. I wish you luck in finding what you seek. I've been there and know how it feels... > > Blessings, > Valarie > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Blessings to both of you, Anne and Valarie! You both are making a lot of progress lately. I agree with what you said Valarie. Having been in relationships with those who are in a different place, I can attest to the fact that it can cause trouble. I think it is very important to find like minded people to commune with. Having a group like this is wonderful, but imho you also need someone in your life to share with. Sarita , Valarie Vousden <vjvousden wrote: > > Bless you, Anne. You needed to say all that and I felt what you feel. It was a release for you and I bet you feel better after getting that off your chest. I've had my share of bf karma, boy!! It must be a part of our learning experience, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hello Anne I know what you mean. Lots of people who call them selves Christians aren't very spiritual. The lord gave every one free will but some people who call them selves Christians will not do the same thing. If you are with a person that is seriously apposed to the path you are on to the point where you can't even talk to them about it there is no way it will work. I've known people that accused me of being evil because I could read their thoughts. I have always wondered why they couldn't think it was a gift from God. I tried to change for them but I ended up resenting them and the relationship went down the toilet. When I am in a relationship with someone I like to be able to talk to them openly about anything. I found with the meditation I was doing I couldn't lie to them to keep them happy. If you are already in a long time relationship or married then it is desirable to try and make it work, but if it is a new relationship it might be better to find someone else. Some one you can confide in and talk to about your experiences. I don't like to talk doom and gloom, and I don't like to sound negative. May be he will be more open minded when he gets to know you. Love and Peace. Stephen O. Anne wrote: > > Hi Valarie, > > My ex of 5 years, we had big issues about religious beliefs though > I do not consider myself religious. I was born Catholic, but converted > to born-again Christian in 1997. That was the first time I ever felt > closer and have a deeper relationship with Jesus (God/Holy Spirit). My > taiwanese ex was Buddhist, but did not practice it. Most asian > cultures are buddhist. So, it was hard. We had talks about how our > children will grow up - as Buddhist, Catholic or Christian? To me, > religion was not important, as long as you have a personal > relationship with God. > > The guy I dated after him was a Christian and I thought that > everything would be better. I was wrong. He was verbally abusive. He > knew that I am into this stuff and he thought I was weird and was very > judgemental. > > My current bf is Catholic, but I don't think he's religious. One of > my friends could see auras and saw his picture a year ago. He told me > things about my bf though he never met him in person - this is just > from seeing an old picture. I was concerned, so I suggested color > therapy so he can clear his aura. I mentioned about it and it freaked > him out. Since then, I stopped talking about stuff like these. > Ofcourse, it would be nice if the person I am with is on the same > spiritual path as I am or at least accept my path. He doesn't have to > take that path, but just knowing the other person isn't bothered by > it, doesn't think I'm weird just because I have different interests > etc.. because I like talking and sharing about my spiritual > experiences. Unfortunately I have no one - none of my friends here in > Chicago wants to hear about it because they get scared. I talk to my > mom about it, but she's not here (she's back home in the Philippines). > My bestfriend and a few chosen friends who knows and are in the same > path as I am live in another state and country. > > I'm glad I opened up here. I guess I suppressed all of my feelings > for so long. I didn't even realize I am still doing it. I felt better > after I cried too. I haven't cried since breaking up with the 5 yr bf > and my aunt's death - that was in 2003. At least I don't depend on > anti-depressants anymore. Besides, it makes me palpitate. > > Thanks for listening. > > Just Me, > Anne > > > <%40>, Valarie Vousden > <vjvousden wrote: > > > > Bless you, Anne. You needed to say all that and I felt what you > feel. It was a release for you and I bet you feel better after getting > that off your chest. I've had my share of bf karma, boy!! It must be a > part of our learning experience, for sure. > > > > This is just my 2 cents worth, and by no means take it unless it > resonates with you...but in my experience, and as I'm finding now, if > the person is on a different level spiritually than you, it can make > things difficult. Not insurmountable but definitely difficult. You are > a seeker on a spiritual path and it sounds like you've come leaps and > bounds in the last year or few years. Is your boyfriend on the same > level? If you can relate there, then other things will fall into place > a little easier. It's not the be all and end all but it would make > things more realistic or doable. Someone to share the priorities in > your life rather than someone who is not on the same page as you. I > can tell you, I've " awakened " since marrying my husband but he hasn't > changed in that regard. He doesn't believe in the spiritual things I > do (airy-fairy is his word for it). So it is a topic we can't even > discuss without anger coming in. Being secretive would be worse. This > is something I didn't > > forsee when we married because I wasn't there yet. And I love him > dearly but on this issue he won't change. Were I looking for romance > today, I would start by looking for another person on a similar > spiritual path. It's hard to pull someone up by the bootstraps when > they resist (which means I shouldn't be doing it, then) and it pulls > you down as well, not letting you rise to the level you could. Does > that make sense? Anyway, that's my rant for today! It is where I am > right now and I just hope by putting it out there that it will let > someone else see the experience without having to live it for > themselves. Anyway, as I say, only if it resonates with > you..otherwise, you can just chuck it out. > > > > Thank you for sharing your heart with us, Anne, I'm glad you are > here, too. I wish you luck in finding what you seek. I've been there > and know how it feels... > > > > Blessings, > > Valarie > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hi Stephen, Thank you for your thoughts. So far, the only people who are opposed to my spiritual path are my family. They were unhappy when they found out I converted to Christianity and are still bothered by this until now. They have been telling me that since I am born Catholic, I should die a Catholic. My family are very strict and religious. They get upset when I don't go to church at their church. The truth is, when I was growing up, I only felt like I am going to church because my family expected me to and I never really understood my relationship with God. I knew there is a God, but I wasn't very close to him. When I became a Christian, I learned to build a relationship not religion. I hardly go to church anyway because I work every weekend. Sometimes I will accompany my aunt to her the Catholic church just to make her happy. I don't think they will agree if they know about my spiritual path now. I think they would be against it. But I'm a big girl now. I can make my own decisions. My family still treats me like a kid and are very judgemental most of the time. Perfectionist - sometimes. Anne , " Stephen O. " <stephen_1952 wrote: > > Hello Anne > > I know what you mean. Lots of people who call them selves Christians > aren't very spiritual. The lord gave every one free will but some people > who call them selves Christians will not do the same thing. > > If you are with a person that is seriously apposed to the path you are > on to the point where you can't even talk to them about it there is no > way it will work. I've known people that accused me of being evil > because I could read their thoughts. I have always wondered why they > couldn't think it was a gift from God. I tried to change for them but I > ended up resenting them and the relationship went down the toilet. When > I am in a relationship with someone I like to be able to talk to them > openly about anything. I found with the meditation I was doing I > couldn't lie to them to keep them happy. > > If you are already in a long time relationship or married then it is > desirable to try and make it work, but if it is a new relationship it > might be better to find someone else. Some one you can confide in and > talk to about your experiences. > > I don't like to talk doom and gloom, and I don't like to sound negative. > May be he will be more open minded when he gets to know you. > > Love and Peace. > Stephen O. > > > > Anne wrote: > > > > Hi Valarie, > > > > My ex of 5 years, we had big issues about religious beliefs though > > I do not consider myself religious. I was born Catholic, but converted > > to born-again Christian in 1997. That was the first time I ever felt > > closer and have a deeper relationship with Jesus (God/Holy Spirit). My > > taiwanese ex was Buddhist, but did not practice it. Most asian > > cultures are buddhist. So, it was hard. We had talks about how our > > children will grow up - as Buddhist, Catholic or Christian? To me, > > religion was not important, as long as you have a personal > > relationship with God. > > > > The guy I dated after him was a Christian and I thought that > > everything would be better. I was wrong. He was verbally abusive. He > > knew that I am into this stuff and he thought I was weird and was very > > judgemental. > > > > My current bf is Catholic, but I don't think he's religious. One of > > my friends could see auras and saw his picture a year ago. He told me > > things about my bf though he never met him in person - this is just > > from seeing an old picture. I was concerned, so I suggested color > > therapy so he can clear his aura. I mentioned about it and it freaked > > him out. Since then, I stopped talking about stuff like these. > > Ofcourse, it would be nice if the person I am with is on the same > > spiritual path as I am or at least accept my path. He doesn't have to > > take that path, but just knowing the other person isn't bothered by > > it, doesn't think I'm weird just because I have different interests > > etc.. because I like talking and sharing about my spiritual > > experiences. Unfortunately I have no one - none of my friends here in > > Chicago wants to hear about it because they get scared. I talk to my > > mom about it, but she's not here (she's back home in the Philippines). > > My bestfriend and a few chosen friends who knows and are in the same > > path as I am live in another state and country. > > > > I'm glad I opened up here. I guess I suppressed all of my feelings > > for so long. I didn't even realize I am still doing it. I felt better > > after I cried too. I haven't cried since breaking up with the 5 yr bf > > and my aunt's death - that was in 2003. At least I don't depend on > > anti-depressants anymore. Besides, it makes me palpitate. > > > > Thanks for listening. > > > > Just Me, > > Anne > > > > > > <%40>, Valarie Vousden > > <vjvousden@> wrote: > > > > > > Bless you, Anne. You needed to say all that and I felt what you > > feel. It was a release for you and I bet you feel better after getting > > that off your chest. I've had my share of bf karma, boy!! It must be a > > part of our learning experience, for sure. > > > > > > This is just my 2 cents worth, and by no means take it unless it > > resonates with you...but in my experience, and as I'm finding now, if > > the person is on a different level spiritually than you, it can make > > things difficult. Not insurmountable but definitely difficult. You are > > a seeker on a spiritual path and it sounds like you've come leaps and > > bounds in the last year or few years. Is your boyfriend on the same > > level? If you can relate there, then other things will fall into place > > a little easier. It's not the be all and end all but it would make > > things more realistic or doable. Someone to share the priorities in > > your life rather than someone who is not on the same page as you. I > > can tell you, I've " awakened " since marrying my husband but he hasn't > > changed in that regard. He doesn't believe in the spiritual things I > > do (airy-fairy is his word for it). So it is a topic we can't even > > discuss without anger coming in. Being secretive would be worse. This > > is something I didn't > > > forsee when we married because I wasn't there yet. And I love him > > dearly but on this issue he won't change. Were I looking for romance > > today, I would start by looking for another person on a similar > > spiritual path. It's hard to pull someone up by the bootstraps when > > they resist (which means I shouldn't be doing it, then) and it pulls > > you down as well, not letting you rise to the level you could. Does > > that make sense? Anyway, that's my rant for today! It is where I am > > right now and I just hope by putting it out there that it will let > > someone else see the experience without having to live it for > > themselves. Anyway, as I say, only if it resonates with > > you..otherwise, you can just chuck it out. > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your heart with us, Anne, I'm glad you are > > here, too. I wish you luck in finding what you seek. I've been there > > and know how it feels... > > > > > > Blessings, > > > Valarie > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hug, Anne. I'm very proud of you for being true to yourself in spite of what those close to you think. Its hard not having the support of those close...it would surely be wonderful...yet, thankfully, it is not necessary. Christianity has been my arena, too. The way I have come to see it is a beach seen. ! You have the shore, the shallows and the depths of the ocean. Most are found on the sands sunbathing. Some like wading and splashing in the waves, others like the depths. A friend once told me, " it doesn't matter where you are on the path as long as your face is turned toward the sun. " So, it helps me understand and let go. Can't force anyone to swim with me! Yet I enjoy sunbathing, too. A mate, on the other hand, I wouldn't want to leave on the sands. Though that can be the case. I would want him exploring with me, the depths of the ocean...and showing me new things, too. That would be the greatest joy! All imho. Love, dhyana --- Anne <annicole72 wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Thank you for your thoughts. So far, the only > people who are > opposed to my spiritual path are my family. They > were unhappy when > they found out I converted to Christianity and are > still bothered by > this until now. They have been telling me that since > I am born > Catholic, I should die a Catholic. My family are > very strict and > religious. They get upset when I don't go to church > at their church. > The truth is, when I was growing up, I only felt > like I am going to > church because my family expected me to and I never > really understood > my relationship with God. I knew there is a God, but > I wasn't very > close to him. When I became a Christian, I learned > to build a > relationship not religion. I hardly go to church > anyway because I > work every weekend. Sometimes I will accompany my > aunt to her the > Catholic church just to make her happy. > > I don't think they will agree if they know about > my spiritual path > now. I think they would be against it. But I'm a big > girl now. I can > make my own decisions. My family still treats me > like a kid and are > very judgemental most of the time. Perfectionist - > sometimes. > > Anne > > --- In > , > " Stephen O. " > <stephen_1952 wrote: > > > > Hello Anne > > > > I know what you mean. Lots of people who call them > selves > Christians > > aren't very spiritual. The lord gave every one > free will but some > people > > who call them selves Christians will not do the > same thing. > > > > If you are with a person that is seriously apposed > to the path you > are > > on to the point where you can't even talk to them > about it there > is no > > way it will work. I've known people that accused > me of being evil > > because I could read their thoughts. I have always > wondered why > they > > couldn't think it was a gift from God. I tried to > change for them > but I > > ended up resenting them and the relationship went > down the toilet. > When > > I am in a relationship with someone I like to be > able to talk to > them > > openly about anything. I found with the meditation > I was doing I > > couldn't lie to them to keep them happy. > > > > If you are already in a long time relationship or > married then it > is > > desirable to try and make it work, but if it is a > new relationship > it > > might be better to find someone else. Some one you > can confide in > and > > talk to about your experiences. > > > > I don't like to talk doom and gloom, and I don't > like to sound > negative. > > May be he will be more open minded when he gets to > know you. > > > > Love and Peace. > > Stephen O. > > > > > > > > Anne wrote: > > > > > > Hi Valarie, > > > > > > My ex of 5 years, we had big issues about > religious beliefs though > > > I do not consider myself religious. I was born > Catholic, but > converted > > > to born-again Christian in 1997. That was the > first time I ever > felt > > > closer and have a deeper relationship with Jesus > (God/Holy > Spirit). My > > > taiwanese ex was Buddhist, but did not practice > it. Most asian > > > cultures are buddhist. So, it was hard. We had > talks about how our > > > children will grow up - as Buddhist, Catholic or > Christian? To me, > > > religion was not important, as long as you have > a personal > > > relationship with God. > > > > > > The guy I dated after him was a Christian and I > thought that > > > everything would be better. I was wrong. He was > verbally abusive. > He > > > knew that I am into this stuff and he thought I > was weird and was > very > > > judgemental. > > > > > > My current bf is Catholic, but I don't think > he's religious. One > of > > > my friends could see auras and saw his picture a > year ago. He > told me > > > things about my bf though he never met him in > person - this is > just > > > from seeing an old picture. I was concerned, so > I suggested color > > > therapy so he can clear his aura. I mentioned > about it and it > freaked > > > him out. Since then, I stopped talking about > stuff like these. > > > Ofcourse, it would be nice if the person I am > with is on the same > > > spiritual path as I am or at least accept my > path. He doesn't > have to > > > take that path, but just knowing the other > person isn't bothered > by > > > it, doesn't think I'm weird just because I have > different > interests > > > etc.. because I like talking and sharing about > my spiritual > > > experiences. Unfortunately I have no one - none > of my friends > here in > > > Chicago wants to hear about it because they get > scared. I talk to > my > > > mom about it, but she's not here (she's back > home in the > Philippines). > > > My bestfriend and a few chosen friends who knows > and are in the > same > > > path as I am live in another state and country. > > > > > > I'm glad I opened up here. I guess I suppressed > all of my feelings > > > for so long. I didn't even realize I am still > doing it. I felt > better > > > after I cried too. I haven't cried since > breaking up with the 5 > yr bf > > > and my aunt's death - that was in 2003. At least > I don't depend on > > > anti-depressants anymore. Besides, it makes me > palpitate. > > > > > > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > Just Me, > > > Anne > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40>, > Valarie > Vousden > > > <vjvousden@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bless you, Anne. You needed to say all that > and I felt what you > > > feel. It was a release for you and I bet you > feel better after > getting > > > that off your chest. I've had my share of bf > karma, boy!! It must > be a > > > part of our learning experience, for sure. > > > > > > > > This is just my 2 cents worth, and by no means > take it unless it > > > resonates with you...but in my experience, and > as I'm finding > now, if > > > the person is on a different level spiritually > than you, it can > make > > > things difficult. Not insurmountable but > definitely difficult. > You are > > > a seeker on a spiritual path and it sounds like > you've come leaps > and > > > bounds in the last year or few years. Is your > boyfriend on the > same > > > level? If you can relate there, then other > things will fall into > place > > > a little easier. It's not the be all and end all > but it would make > > > things more realistic or doable. Someone to > share the priorities > in > > > your life rather than someone who is not on the > same page as you. > I > > > can tell you, I've " awakened " since marrying my > husband but he > hasn't > > > changed in that regard. He doesn't believe in > the spiritual > things I > > > do (airy-fairy is his word for it). So it is a > topic we can't even > > > discuss without anger coming in. Being secretive > would be worse. > This > > > is something I didn't > > > > forsee when we married because I wasn't there > yet. And I love > him > > > dearly but on this issue he won't change. Were I > looking for > romance > > > today, I would start by looking for another > person on a similar > > > spiritual path. It's hard to pull someone up by > the bootstraps > when > > > they resist (which means I shouldn't be doing > it, then) and it > pulls > > > you down as well, not letting you rise to the > level you could. > Does > > > that make sense? Anyway, that's my rant for > today! It is where I > am > > > right now and I just hope by putting it out > there that it will let > > > someone else see the experience without having > to live it for > > > themselves. Anyway, as I say, only if it > resonates with > > > you..otherwise, you can just chuck it out. > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your heart with us, > Anne, I'm glad you are > > > here, too. I wish you luck in finding what you > seek. I've been > there > > > and know how it feels... > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > Valarie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > smell? > > > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 I agree with Stephen. Many of the " Christians " I know (some in my own family) are some of the most judgemental people I have ever met. Those who proclaim out loud to everyone that they are religious tend to be the worst offenders. I find it very sad. I also believe that whomever is closest to you (spouse, boy/girl friend) that you share your life, hopes and dreams with should be supportive of what you believe even if they do not agree. I think it says a lot about the other person if they can support you even if they don't want to pursue the same things. The reverse is also true. If this is an integral part of your life (it becomes so, without choice) then imho, to properly serve and nurture it, one would need support from those closest to them. My hope is that everyone finds the vital support that they need. Sarita , " Stephen O. " <stephen_1952 wrote: > > Hello Anne > > I know what you mean. Lots of people who call them selves Christians > aren't very spiritual. The lord gave every one free will but some people > who call them selves Christians will not do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 What a great analogy! I love that, great way to look at it. I want my partner exploring the depths too, not sunbathing. I like the part about facing the sun, that's terrific. Sarita , novalees <Novalees wrote: > > Hug, Anne. I'm very proud of you for being true to > yourself in spite of what those close to you think. > Its hard not having the support of those close...it > would surely be wonderful...yet, thankfully, it is not > necessary. Christianity has been my arena, too. The > way I have come to see it is a beach seen. ! You have > the shore, the shallows and the depths of the ocean. > Most are found on the sands sunbathing. Some like > wading and splashing in the waves, others like the > depths. A friend once told me, " it doesn't matter > where you are on the path as long as your face is > turned toward the sun. " So, it helps me understand and > let go. Can't force anyone to swim with me! Yet I > enjoy sunbathing, too. A mate, on the other hand, I > wouldn't want to leave on the sands. Though that can > be the case. I would want him exploring with me, the > depths of the ocean...and showing me new things, too. > That would be the greatest joy! All imho. Love, > dhyana > > > --- Anne <annicole72 wrote: > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Thank you for your thoughts. So far, the only > > people who are > > opposed to my spiritual path are my family. They > > were unhappy when > > they found out I converted to Christianity and are > > still bothered by > > this until now. They have been telling me that since > > I am born > > Catholic, I should die a Catholic. My family are > > very strict and > > religious. They get upset when I don't go to church > > at their church. > > The truth is, when I was growing up, I only felt > > like I am going to > > church because my family expected me to and I never > > really understood > > my relationship with God. I knew there is a God, but > > I wasn't very > > close to him. When I became a Christian, I learned > > to build a > > relationship not religion. I hardly go to church > > anyway because I > > work every weekend. Sometimes I will accompany my > > aunt to her the > > Catholic church just to make her happy. > > > > I don't think they will agree if they know about > > my spiritual path > > now. I think they would be against it. But I'm a big > > girl now. I can > > make my own decisions. My family still treats me > > like a kid and are > > very judgemental most of the time. Perfectionist - > > sometimes. > > > > Anne > > > > --- In > > , > > " Stephen O. " > > <stephen_1952@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Anne > > > > > > I know what you mean. Lots of people who call them > > selves > > Christians > > > aren't very spiritual. The lord gave every one > > free will but some > > people > > > who call them selves Christians will not do the > > same thing. > > > > > > If you are with a person that is seriously apposed > > to the path you > > are > > > on to the point where you can't even talk to them > > about it there > > is no > > > way it will work. I've known people that accused > > me of being evil > > > because I could read their thoughts. I have always > > wondered why > > they > > > couldn't think it was a gift from God. I tried to > > change for them > > but I > > > ended up resenting them and the relationship went > > down the toilet. > > When > > > I am in a relationship with someone I like to be > > able to talk to > > them > > > openly about anything. I found with the meditation > > I was doing I > > > couldn't lie to them to keep them happy. > > > > > > If you are already in a long time relationship or > > married then it > > is > > > desirable to try and make it work, but if it is a > > new relationship > > it > > > might be better to find someone else. Some one you > > can confide in > > and > > > talk to about your experiences. > > > > > > I don't like to talk doom and gloom, and I don't > > like to sound > > negative. > > > May be he will be more open minded when he gets to > > know you. > > > > > > Love and Peace. > > > Stephen O. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Valarie, > > > > > > > > My ex of 5 years, we had big issues about > > religious beliefs though > > > > I do not consider myself religious. I was born > > Catholic, but > > converted > > > > to born-again Christian in 1997. That was the > > first time I ever > > felt > > > > closer and have a deeper relationship with Jesus > > (God/Holy > > Spirit). My > > > > taiwanese ex was Buddhist, but did not practice > > it. Most asian > > > > cultures are buddhist. So, it was hard. We had > > talks about how our > > > > children will grow up - as Buddhist, Catholic or > > Christian? To me, > > > > religion was not important, as long as you have > > a personal > > > > relationship with God. > > > > > > > > The guy I dated after him was a Christian and I > > thought that > > > > everything would be better. I was wrong. He was > > verbally abusive. > > He > > > > knew that I am into this stuff and he thought I > > was weird and was > > very > > > > judgemental. > > > > > > > > My current bf is Catholic, but I don't think > > he's religious. One > > of > > > > my friends could see auras and saw his picture a > > year ago. He > > told me > > > > things about my bf though he never met him in > > person - this is > > just > > > > from seeing an old picture. I was concerned, so > > I suggested color > > > > therapy so he can clear his aura. I mentioned > > about it and it > > freaked > > > > him out. Since then, I stopped talking about > > stuff like these. > > > > Ofcourse, it would be nice if the person I am > > with is on the same > > > > spiritual path as I am or at least accept my > > path. He doesn't > > have to > > > > take that path, but just knowing the other > > person isn't bothered > > by > > > > it, doesn't think I'm weird just because I have > > different > > interests > > > > etc.. because I like talking and sharing about > > my spiritual > > > > experiences. Unfortunately I have no one - none > > of my friends > > here in > > > > Chicago wants to hear about it because they get > > scared. I talk to > > my > > > > mom about it, but she's not here (she's back > > home in the > > Philippines). > > > > My bestfriend and a few chosen friends who knows > > and are in the > > same > > > > path as I am live in another state and country. > > > > > > > > I'm glad I opened up here. I guess I suppressed > > all of my feelings > > > > for so long. I didn't even realize I am still > > doing it. I felt > > better > > > > after I cried too. I haven't cried since > > breaking up with the 5 > > yr bf > > > > and my aunt's death - that was in 2003. At least > > I don't depend on > > > > anti-depressants anymore. Besides, it makes me > > palpitate. > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > > > Just Me, > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Valarie > > Vousden > > > > <vjvousden@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bless you, Anne. You needed to say all that > > and I felt what you > > > > feel. It was a release for you and I bet you > > feel better after > > getting > > > > that off your chest. I've had my share of bf > > karma, boy!! It must > > be a > > > > part of our learning experience, for sure. > > > > > > > > > > This is just my 2 cents worth, and by no means > > take it unless it > > > > resonates with you...but in my experience, and > > as I'm finding > > now, if > > > > the person is on a different level spiritually > > than you, it can > > make > > > > things difficult. Not insurmountable but > > definitely difficult. > > You are > > > > a seeker on a spiritual path and it sounds like > > you've come leaps > > and > > > > bounds in the last year or few years. Is your > > boyfriend on the > > same > > > > level? If you can relate there, then other > > things will fall into > > place > > > > a little easier. It's not the be all and end all > > but it would make > > > > things more realistic or doable. Someone to > > share the priorities > > in > > > > your life rather than someone who is not on the > > same page as you. > > I > > > > can tell you, I've " awakened " since marrying my > > husband but he > > hasn't > > > > changed in that regard. He doesn't believe in > > the spiritual > > things I > > > > do (airy-fairy is his word for it). So it is a > > topic we can't even > > > > discuss without anger coming in. Being secretive > > would be worse. > > This > > > > is something I didn't > > > > > forsee when we married because I wasn't there > > yet. And I love > > him > > > > dearly but on this issue he won't change. Were I > > looking for > > romance > > > > today, I would start by looking for another > > person on a similar > > > > spiritual path. It's hard to pull someone up by > > the bootstraps > > when > > > > they resist (which means I shouldn't be doing > > it, then) and it > > pulls > > > > you down as well, not letting you rise to the > > level you could. > > Does > > > > that make sense? Anyway, that's my rant for > > today! It is where I > > am > > > > right now and I just hope by putting it out > > there that it will let > > > > someone else see the experience without having > > to live it for > > > > themselves. Anyway, as I say, only if it > > resonates with > > > > you..otherwise, you can just chuck it out. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your heart with us, > > Anne, I'm glad you are > > > > here, too. I wish you luck in finding what you > > seek. I've been > > there > > > > and know how it feels... > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > Valarie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " > > smell? > > > > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Sarita, I agree with what you very much so. Thanks! Love, Katherine Sarita <sarita1969 wrote: I agree with Stephen. Many of the " Christians " I know (some in my own family) are some of the most judgemental people I have ever met. Those who proclaim out loud to everyone that they are religious tend to be the worst offenders. I find it very sad. I also believe that whomever is closest to you (spouse, boy/girl friend) that you share your life, hopes and dreams with should be supportive of what you believe even if they do not agree. I think it says a lot about the other person if they can support you even if they don't want to pursue the same things. The reverse is also true. If this is an integral part of your life (it becomes so, without choice) then imho, to properly serve and nurture it, one would need support from those closest to them. My hope is that everyone finds the vital support that they need. Sarita , " Stephen O. " <stephen_1952 wrote: > > Hello Anne > > I know what you mean. Lots of people who call them selves Christians > aren't very spiritual. The lord gave every one free will but some people > who call them selves Christians will not do the same thing. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Hope you feel better soon Anne, sending you a hug from holland <HUG> Blessings, and love Elektra x x x --- Anne <annicole72 wrote: > Hi Chrism, > > I still hear ringing in my right ear. It's still > deaf. Can't wait for > it to pop so I can hear normally again =( How long > will this ear ache > lasts? =( > > Anne _________ Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://uk.docs./mail/winter07.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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