Cho

[Guest guest]

I guess we go the full spectrum on this one. When I

saw him on tv he looked like an average kid to me.

Kind of reminded me of a teenager rebelling...tho he

took it to a terrible extreme. I work with mental

illness, and I felt for this guy. He was crying out

for help and it never came. I know that evilness can

take control when there is anger and hatred, so that's

probably part of it, too. Just a heartbreaking

situation all around. Did they all choose to leave

this way... ahead of time?

 

Just my two cents. Love, dhyana

--- vjvousden <vjvousden

 

om> wrote:

 

> In the video tapes they showed on TV (which they

> shouldn't have, IMO),

> he (Cho) seemed robotic to me. My impression.

> Something definitely not

> right. Controlled? Drugged? I don't know...

>

> It's all creepy, sad...my heart goes out to the

> families involved and I

> sends them loving light and prayers for healing but

> that's as close as

> I get to it. As an empath, I have learned to keep a

> distance from the

> emotions of that sort of thing, just send love to

> those who need it and

> let them accept it (or not).

>

> I'm learning to let the negative news like that roll

> off my back like

> rain off a duck. Hope that's not too impersonal.

> Love is more my

> thing,, that I'll get involved in.

>

> Valarie

>

> --- In

> ,

> " a_seventh_son "

> <a_seventh_son wrote:

> >

> > sorry about that (the chills), unmistakable is how

> I would describe

> > the effect I got from first hearing about the

> event; it is something I

> > haven't felt since 9/11/2001. considering where

> that last projection

> > of evil has taken us, I shudder to think where

> this one might lead.

> >

> > -brian

> >

> > --- In

> ,

> " selena230 "

> > <selena230@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Reading your words gave me the chills, Brian.

> What kind of

> > > transpersonal force and links are you thinking

> of?

> > >

> > > Sel

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am in line with your thinking Dhyana. I feel that he may have been

abused as a child (in Korea) and it went ignored due to cultural or

other reasons. And his shame and anger grew through the years, as he

faced a mostly cold and impersonal youth, unable to reach out to

others in an appropriate manner. He left a trail of clues to his

mental illness, but unfortunately not enough for anyone to take him

seriously enough, or for anything of consequence to have been done.

What must he have felt inside to want to cause such pain for all of

these innocent people, and then to take his own life? It is a tragedy

for the entire human family. I had a dream the morning after it

happened in which I was hugging him tightly and crying, a very

emotional and loving soul hug. He hugged back but his eyes were closed

and he seemed so resigned. I suppose I felt he needed the love and

comfort every bit as much as those he acted upon.

 

My heart goes out to the victims, their families and friends. May they

find peace and comfort within. Love and healing energy to all of them,

and to all of us.

 

love & light ~Jen~

 

 

, novalees

<Novalees wrote:

>

> I guess we go the full spectrum on this one. When I

> saw him on tv he looked like an average kid to me.

> Kind of reminded me of a teenager rebelling...tho he

> took it to a terrible extreme. I work with mental

> illness, and I felt for this guy. He was crying out

> for help and it never came. I know that evilness can

> take control when there is anger and hatred, so that's

> probably part of it, too. Just a heartbreaking

> situation all around. Did they all choose to leave

> this way... ahead of time?

>

> Just my two cents. Love, dhyana

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing, Jen.

 

The guy didn't have ANY social skills so he must have

been totally isolated. Isolation can do strange things

to people, and the physical pain of it is a very deep

ache. And, like you said, if there had been abuse

there, and damage, then he was unable to know what he

really needed let alone how to get it. He didn't know

how to connect with others so he destroyed them. The

emotional pain that drove him to that must have been

severe. That doesn't excuse the act, but it may open

eyes to be more sensitive to others and aware of how

important a simple act of kindness may be. You may

never know the true state of a person in any

interaction, and a loving act of caring can pull

someone back from the brink sometimes... Despair is a

killer, love is a healer. To see love in action gives

hope, even to those who are merely looking on. Didn't

mean to go on so its just that I've looked into a lot

of empty eyes and pain filled eyes...and ached to reel

them in. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. There are

so many. I guess all one can do is watch for

opportunities and listen to the inner Spirit to know

when and how to act so that it matters. Hug. Thanks

for listening. Love, dhyana

 

 

 

--- Jen <jenls505 wrote:

 

> I am in line with your thinking Dhyana. I feel that

> he may have been

> abused as a child (in Korea) and it went ignored due

> to cultural or

> other reasons. And his shame and anger grew through

> the years, as he

> faced a mostly cold and impersonal youth, unable to

> reach out to

> others in an appropriate manner. He left a trail of

> clues to his

> mental illness, but unfortunately not enough for

> anyone to take him

> seriously enough, or for anything of consequence to

> have been done.

> What must he have felt inside to want to cause such

> pain for all of

> these innocent people, and then to take his own

> life? It is a tragedy

> for the entire human family. I had a dream the

> morning after it

> happened in which I was hugging him tightly and

> crying, a very

> emotional and loving soul hug. He hugged back but

> his eyes were closed

> and he seemed so resigned. I suppose I felt he

> needed the love and

> comfort every bit as much as those he acted upon.

>

> My heart goes out to the victims, their families and

> friends. May they

> find peace and comfort within. Love and healing

> energy to all of them,

> and to all of us.

>

> love & light ~Jen~

>

>

> --- In

> ,

> novalees

> <Novalees wrote:

> >

> > I guess we go the full spectrum on this one. When

> I

> > saw him on tv he looked like an average kid to me.

> > Kind of reminded me of a teenager rebelling...tho

> he

> > took it to a terrible extreme. I work with mental

> > illness, and I felt for this guy. He was crying

> out

> > for help and it never came. I know that evilness

> can

> > take control when there is anger and hatred, so

> that's

> > probably part of it, too. Just a heartbreaking

> > situation all around. Did they all choose to leave

> > this way... ahead of time?

> >

> > Just my two cents. Love, dhyana

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jen you bring up valid points about Cho. Not only do I think that his past as a

young child has much to do with what he felt or what made him so cold and bitter

towards the world, but maybe, just maybe, he did try to overcome it, but no one

would listen or wanted to deal with him. Maybe they put themselves higher than

him and thought they were too good to be a friend. Maybe he did try to reach

out, but no one thought he was worth the time. This anger he felt was that of

abandonment and he became resentful. I don't justify his actions in any way, but

I feel so much sorrow for him. I only wish I could have known him. Our society

today seems to not have time for those in pain and trouble and then when

something happens they wonder why that person didn't get help, but they fail to

take responsibility. I told my children tonight after the shooting yesterday at

the Johnson Space center in Texas that one way to help stop these horrible acts

is to love everyone and to try and make

time for every one even if you can only spare a couple of minutes, do it

because it could make all the difference. Love every one and treat them with

love and show them that you do care about them. I told them that that could save

one life, maybe not all, but one is better than none.

 

My heart goes out to the victims and their families and to Cho's family and to

Mr. Philips' family as well. May God be with all of them. God Bless you all! My

love to each of you.

 

Love,

Katherine

 

Jen <jenls505 wrote:

I am in line with your thinking Dhyana. I feel that he may have been

abused as a child (in Korea) and it went ignored due to cultural or

other reasons. And his shame and anger grew through the years, as he

faced a mostly cold and impersonal youth, unable to reach out to

others in an appropriate manner. He left a trail of clues to his

mental illness, but unfortunately not enough for anyone to take him

seriously enough, or for anything of consequence to have been done.

What must he have felt inside to want to cause such pain for all of

these innocent people, and then to take his own life? It is a tragedy

for the entire human family. I had a dream the morning after it

happened in which I was hugging him tightly and crying, a very

emotional and loving soul hug. He hugged back but his eyes were closed

and he seemed so resigned. I suppose I felt he needed the love and

comfort every bit as much as those he acted upon.

 

My heart goes out to the victims, their families and friends. May they

find peace and comfort within. Love and healing energy to all of them,

and to all of us.

 

love & light ~Jen~

 

, novalees

<Novalees wrote:

>

> I guess we go the full spectrum on this one. When I

> saw him on tv he looked like an average kid to me.

> Kind of reminded me of a teenager rebelling...tho he

> took it to a terrible extreme. I work with mental

> illness, and I felt for this guy. He was crying out

> for help and it never came. I know that evilness can

> take control when there is anger and hatred, so that's

> probably part of it, too. Just a heartbreaking

> situation all around. Did they all choose to leave

> this way... ahead of time?

>

> Just my two cents. Love, dhyana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dhyana, thank you for this statement " Despair is a

killer, love is a healer " . I am going to teach my kids that, it is something

easy to remember.

 

Love,

Katherine

 

novalees <Novalees wrote:

Thanks for sharing, Jen.

 

The guy didn't have ANY social skills so he must have

been totally isolated. Isolation can do strange things

to people, and the physical pain of it is a very deep

ache. And, like you said, if there had been abuse

there, and damage, then he was unable to know what he

really needed let alone how to get it. He didn't know

how to connect with others so he destroyed them. The

emotional pain that drove him to that must have been

severe. That doesn't excuse the act, but it may open

eyes to be more sensitive to others and aware of how

important a simple act of kindness may be. You may

never know the true state of a person in any

interaction, and a loving act of caring can pull

someone back from the brink sometimes... Despair is a

killer, love is a healer. To see love in action gives

hope, even to those who are merely looking on. Didn't

mean to go on so its just that I've looked into a lot

of empty eyes and pain filled eyes...and ached to reel

them in. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. There are

so many. I guess all one can do is watch for

opportunities and listen to the inner Spirit to know

when and how to act so that it matters. Hug. Thanks

for listening. Love, dhyana

 

--- Jen <jenls505 wrote:

 

> I am in line with your thinking Dhyana. I feel that

> he may have been

> abused as a child (in Korea) and it went ignored due

> to cultural or

> other reasons. And his shame and anger grew through

> the years, as he

> faced a mostly cold and impersonal youth, unable to

> reach out to

> others in an appropriate manner. He left a trail of

> clues to his

> mental illness, but unfortunately not enough for

> anyone to take him

> seriously enough, or for anything of consequence to

> have been done.

> What must he have felt inside to want to cause such

> pain for all of

> these innocent people, and then to take his own

> life? It is a tragedy

> for the entire human family. I had a dream the

> morning after it

> happened in which I was hugging him tightly and

> crying, a very

> emotional and loving soul hug. He hugged back but

> his eyes were closed

> and he seemed so resigned. I suppose I felt he

> needed the love and

> comfort every bit as much as those he acted upon.

>

> My heart goes out to the victims, their families and

> friends. May they

> find peace and comfort within. Love and healing

> energy to all of them,

> and to all of us.

>

> love & light ~Jen~

>

>

> --- In

> ,

> novalees

> <Novalees wrote:

> >

> > I guess we go the full spectrum on this one. When

> I

> > saw him on tv he looked like an average kid to me.

> > Kind of reminded me of a teenager rebelling...tho

> he

> > took it to a terrible extreme. I work with mental

> > illness, and I felt for this guy. He was crying

> out

> > for help and it never came. I know that evilness

> can

> > take control when there is anger and hatred, so

> that's

> > probably part of it, too. Just a heartbreaking

> > situation all around. Did they all choose to leave

> > this way... ahead of time?

> >

> > Just my two cents. Love, dhyana

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Cho deserves our forgiveness and acceptance for what has occurred. We

are all souls and he is now aware of what has happened. 33 people died

and they ALL get a candle in the window from me. - my take on it -

chrism

[Guest guest]

God I love your clarity! Thank you, Chrism, for your takes on things.

 

These situations seem to propel me. The last one, with the Amish

children, propelled me here. It will be interesting to see where this

one takes me.

 

Love, dhyana

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Cho deserves our forgiveness and acceptance for what has occurred. We

> are all souls and he is now aware of what has happened. 33 people died

> and they ALL get a candle in the window from me. - my take on it -

> chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Indeed he does. Some even think people who do similar things do them, and

sacrifice themselves, to orchestrate spiritual lessons for others. I,

certainly, am not in a position to decide these things so simply send love.

 

In gratefulness,

 

Sherri

 

--

The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert Einstein

 

-------------- Original message --------------

" chrism " <>

Cho deserves our forgiveness and acceptance for what has occurred. We

are all souls and he is now aware of what has happened. 33 people died

and they ALL get a candle in the window from me. - my take on it -

chrism

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

i feel there are no victims. those 33 souls have just graduated this form and

will soon enroll

in their next class. and it's the same for us all. i have a particular movie

inside my head that

i call my life. in one of the bonus scenes from this dvd, i'm in a pre-life

situation where i

meet my fellow actors that are to be cast as my 'friends' or 'nemisis'. it's all

very friendly and

we each understand that we are only playing a role in a story and that it's not

our real self.

so no matter how intense our scenes are together, not to take it personally.

it's just acting

in identification with our particular form or role.

in striving to get down to this real self or essence... what are we?

love,

-steve f

[Guest guest]

Good point Steve. But in my own post, " victims " refers to the wounded

who are still here with us. And all those who must deal with the

aftermath of what happened. People who don't yet share our

understanding of All That Is will have a much harder time dealing with

this. love & light ~Jen~

 

, " deepdance1 "

<deepdance1 wrote:

>

> i feel there are no victims. those 33 souls have just graduated this

form and will soon enroll

> in their next class. and it's the same for us all. i have a

particular movie inside my head that

> i call my life. in one of the bonus scenes from this dvd, i'm in a

pre-life situation where i

> meet my fellow actors that are to be cast as my 'friends' or

'nemisis'. it's all very friendly and

> we each understand that we are only playing a role in a story and

that it's not our real self.

> so no matter how intense our scenes are together, not to take it

personally. it's just acting

> in identification with our particular form or role.

> in striving to get down to this real self or essence... what are we?

> love,

> -steve f

>

[Guest guest]

hi jen. thanks for the response. my understanding 'of all that is' is very

limited. in my

'blindness' i'm not immune to suffering but i have compassion for their grief.

i'm also a bit

angry that the establishment did nothing to protect those lives. if i were the

president of

that university, i'd have trouble sleeping at night for not having decided to

close the school

for the day after the initial shooting. this lesson has cost us dearly -but will

we learn

anything from it?

love,

-steve f

[Guest guest]

I know... it was thought that the earlier shooting was an isolated

incident, an error in judgement that I'm sure will haunt many for a

long time. The president of the university based his decision on the

local authorities' assessment of the situation, so I don't like the

blame game. They couldn't have known what was to come, but I agree

with you, better to err on the side of caution than to take a chance.

I do think much has already been learned from this, and not just by

those in authority positions. Personal responsibility is key. My hope

is that each and every person will become more aware of those around

them, and treat others how they themselves would want to be treated,

with love and compassion. love & light ~Jen~

 

, " deepdance1 "

<deepdance1 wrote:

>

> hi jen. thanks for the response. my understanding 'of all that is'

is very limited. in my

> 'blindness' i'm not immune to suffering but i have compassion for

their grief. i'm also a bit

> angry that the establishment did nothing to protect those lives. if

i were the president of

> that university, i'd have trouble sleeping at night for not having

decided to close the school

> for the day after the initial shooting. this lesson has cost us

dearly -but will we learn

> anything from it?

> love,

> -steve f

>

[Guest guest]

I am with in the fact that we are all souls just as Cho and that he

should be forgiven. Well I do forgive him, but I feel so much for the victims to

have to deal this for the rest of their lives, what a tragedy. I saw one of the

students being interviewed on the Today Show who was not only on campus during

the VT shootings, but was also one of the victims and student of the Columbine

Shootings. Talking about De JeVue! I don't really know much about where she was

other than the fact that she was there. I feel really sorry for all of the

students and hope that God may be with them. I read all of the posts from

everyone and we will never understand what happened to Cho! My question though

is if it is true that we choose our lives and the lessons to be learned before

we come here to earth, why on earth would anyone choose to be a serial murder or

rapist or whatever? I just can't see why anyone would choose to do that stuff,

how can someone intentionally hurt another

human being or any living creature. How can someone coldly look one in the face

and shoot to kill that person? I just wish someone could have helped him in some

way, maybe his victims would still be here! Anyway, I send loving Blessings to

the families of the victims, both deceased and still with us! I dish out prayers

for each of them, that God may ease the pain! May God be with all of you! Have a

wonderful night.

 

Love,

Katherine

 

 

 

" deepdance1 " <deepdance1

 

Monday, April 23, 2007 11:34:37 AM

Re: Re: Cho

 

hi jen. thanks for the response. my understanding 'of all that is' is very

limited. in my

'blindness' i'm not immune to suffering but i have compassion for their grief.

i'm also a bit

angry that the establishment did nothing to protect those lives. if i were the

president of

that university, i'd have trouble sleeping at night for not having decided to

close the school

for the day after the initial shooting. this lesson has cost us dearly -but will

we learn

anything from it?

love,

-steve f