Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Hi, Is it possible to accidently project an astral or other form of double of myself (OBE?) that is fully linked to my body, mind, nervous system...that then gets split or ripped off, stuck in another dimension that then wreaks havok on me? The reason I ask is that I went through a major Kundalini awakening (I think it was K), that included several lived death experiences (not just fear of death), that led to me involuntarily astral travelling (?) or dreaming awake for the last 3 months. Now I experience being majorly interferred with/invaded by/interacted with, in body mind and body by " spirit beings " who say they are made of " spiritual material " , some astral, some claim not. They say that I am in their world, though I see and feel them in my body half the time, and they have several things in their world that belong to me...one they used to call an " astral twin " which looks like me and they hear my thoughts through. They kind of treat this like a voodoo doll...they can act on it and I can feel and hear in my own earth bound body...this is really messed up. Please bear in mind before this happened I have a long 32 year history of being sound in body, mind and spirit...very active in self care and I did not have any precipitating reason to have a psychotic break. Is it possible something linked to my consciousness and nervous system split off? Can I get it back somehow? I did for a long time see in my third eye a kind of clear chord coming out of my solar plexus that was broken off at the end. Thanks, LK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Hello LK yes, What you describe is a possibility but I would suggest that the victim aspect of the experience be eliminated. I know it may seem to feel and appear as if actions are being taken against you but you are still the person in charge of this scenario. As you have stated you have experienced an abrupt activation of the Kundalini which has caused some displacement of your energetic structure. You are a complete individual at this very moment. Your activation being unsought and unplanned has caused an idea of a framework of uncontrolled and outrageous, fantastic experiences being witnessed firsthand by yourself as if you are a leaf being blown in a whirlwind. This is not uncommon for the type of activation you have achieved. These entities have only as much power over you as you allow them to have and your fear will only feed the idea of the lack of control you may feel about the situation. This is a false belief. It is a corruption of what you actually have, which in reality is a very powerful state of affairs. Some guidance and some measures can be taken to help you in this situation but before these can be offered you would do well to begin the process of taking back command of what you believe and what you are feeling regardless of where you perceive the source of the insult or contradiction to that thought stream is located. Nothing has been taken from you no matter what you are told or feel at this time. Manipulation of thought and feelings can occur. A steadfast focus upon personal strength of love and power of the self, that you are, can clear this up quickly. An energetic or astral fragment can be made to feel as if it is missing. You may feel that it is disconnected from you but then the " voodoo doll " aspect of it would not be able to have effect. So it is still with you be assured. You are being taught lessons, but in a classroom like no other you have attended. You have embarked upon the " test of fear " a trial by fire of how you handle and respond to the fears that are most important to you. Kundalini awakenings unsought will have the action of placing a person into this environment immediately. This fear can then be seen by " others " and a scenario of pain and " torture " as occurred in my case can then proceed. Your job is to decide when enough is enough. FYI These tests will continue until you pass them. Failure only allows the current situation to exist or worsen. And you will pass this test and those that follow. It is the amount of time that it takes to do so that is what you can decide at this point. So I would like to read your thoughts about this. I can do an incursion upon you. But I cannot take away the feeling of being victimized and helpless. That state of internal affairs will only act as a leakage of the self determination and strength and personal power you have at your disposal at this very moment. Those qualities are needed for you to begin to understand and enjoy and love the new state of affairs you, by the grace of creation, find yourself in at this moment. So please let me know how you feel about these suggestions - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Chrism, Thank-you for such a well stated explanation for the state many find themselves in. Though sometimes people find the " creatures " " attacking " them are perceived to be from this state of reality. What you say goes for the same experience no matter what state the " attacks " seem to come from. BlessU Sam , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hello LK yes, > What you describe is a possibility but I would suggest > that the victim aspect of the experience be eliminated. I know it > may seem to feel and appear as if actions are being taken against > you but you are still the person in charge of this scenario. > > As you have stated you have experienced an abrupt activation of the > Kundalini which has caused some displacement of your energetic > structure. You are a complete individual at this very moment. Your > activation being unsought and unplanned has caused an idea of a > framework of uncontrolled and outrageous, fantastic experiences > being witnessed firsthand by yourself as if you are a leaf being > blown in a whirlwind. This is not uncommon for the type of > activation you have achieved. > > These entities have only as much power over you as you allow them to > have and your fear will only feed the idea of the lack of control > you may feel about the situation. This is a false belief. It is a > corruption of what you actually have, which in reality is a very > powerful state of affairs. Some guidance and some measures can be > taken to help you in this situation but before these can be offered > you would do well to begin the process of taking back command of > what you believe and what you are feeling regardless of where you > perceive the source of the insult or contradiction to that thought > stream is located. Nothing has been taken from you no matter what > you are told or feel at this time. Manipulation of thought and > feelings can occur. A steadfast focus upon personal strength of love > and power of the self, that you are, can clear this up quickly. > > An energetic or astral fragment can be made to feel as if it is > missing. You may feel that it is disconnected from you but then > the " voodoo doll " aspect of it would not be able to have effect. So > it is still with you be assured. You are being taught lessons, but > in a classroom like no other you have attended. > > You have embarked upon the " test of fear " a trial by fire of how you > handle and respond to the fears that are most important to you. > Kundalini awakenings unsought will have the action of placing a > person into this environment immediately. This fear can then be seen > by " others " and a scenario of pain and " torture " as occurred in my > case can then proceed. Your job is to decide when enough is enough. > > FYI These tests will continue until you pass them. Failure only > allows the current situation to exist or worsen. And you will pass > this test and those that follow. It is the amount of time that it > takes to do so that is what you can decide at this point. > > So I would like to read your thoughts about this. I can do an > incursion upon you. But I cannot take away the feeling of being > victimized and helpless. That state of internal affairs will only > act as a leakage of the self determination and strength and personal > power you have at your disposal at this very moment. Those qualities > are needed for you to begin to understand and enjoy and love the new > state of affairs you, by the grace of creation, find yourself in at > this moment. So please let me know how you feel about these > suggestions - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Yes Sam these attacks, from this reality, are exemplified by what and who you here those people who are addicted to alcohol and or drugs communicating with. The alcoholic on the street talking to the invisible entity or the methamphetimine user seeing and being chased by demons are seeing and interacting with a consciousness form. imho. These forms can and do attach to those that have been hyper- inserted into the overlap of areas as described by M, by a Kundalini event. The lower astral and other labels that we have come to know the first area of intermix with the physical reality by can have an effect on the newly awakened. This is all being explained in a linear fashion but that is not necessarily accurate. Linear reality only exits for those of us in a limited life form of specific sensate frequencies. " Out there " is a different form of linear expectation. Difficult to explain while in body. You Sam, have a great resource in your OOB experiences and can understand very well the hobbles we sometimes put upon ourselves in order to learn certain lessons. Hobbles you have thrown away long ago. - blessings Sam -- chrism , " Sam " <dallyup52 wrote: > > Chrism, > > Thank-you for such a well stated explanation for the state many find > themselves in. Though sometimes people find the " creatures " > " attacking " them are perceived to be from this state of reality. What > you say goes for the same experience no matter what state the > " attacks " seem to come from. > > BlessU > Sam > > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > Hello LK yes, > > What you describe is a possibility but I would suggest > > that the victim aspect of the experience be eliminated. I know it > > may seem to feel and appear as if actions are being taken against > > you but you are still the person in charge of this scenario. > > > > As you have stated you have experienced an abrupt activation of the > > Kundalini which has caused some displacement of your energetic > > structure. You are a complete individual at this very moment. Your > > activation being unsought and unplanned has caused an idea of a > > framework of uncontrolled and outrageous, fantastic experiences > > being witnessed firsthand by yourself as if you are a leaf being > > blown in a whirlwind. This is not uncommon for the type of > > activation you have achieved. > > > > These entities have only as much power over you as you allow them to > > have and your fear will only feed the idea of the lack of control > > you may feel about the situation. This is a false belief. It is a > > corruption of what you actually have, which in reality is a very > > powerful state of affairs. Some guidance and some measures can be > > taken to help you in this situation but before these can be offered > > you would do well to begin the process of taking back command of > > what you believe and what you are feeling regardless of where you > > perceive the source of the insult or contradiction to that thought > > stream is located. Nothing has been taken from you no matter what > > you are told or feel at this time. Manipulation of thought and > > feelings can occur. A steadfast focus upon personal strength of love > > and power of the self, that you are, can clear this up quickly. > > > > An energetic or astral fragment can be made to feel as if it is > > missing. You may feel that it is disconnected from you but then > > the " voodoo doll " aspect of it would not be able to have effect. So > > it is still with you be assured. You are being taught lessons, but > > in a classroom like no other you have attended. > > > > You have embarked upon the " test of fear " a trial by fire of how you > > handle and respond to the fears that are most important to you. > > Kundalini awakenings unsought will have the action of placing a > > person into this environment immediately. This fear can then be seen > > by " others " and a scenario of pain and " torture " as occurred in my > > case can then proceed. Your job is to decide when enough is enough. > > > > FYI These tests will continue until you pass them. Failure only > > allows the current situation to exist or worsen. And you will pass > > this test and those that follow. It is the amount of time that it > > takes to do so that is what you can decide at this point. > > > > So I would like to read your thoughts about this. I can do an > > incursion upon you. But I cannot take away the feeling of being > > victimized and helpless. That state of internal affairs will only > > act as a leakage of the self determination and strength and personal > > power you have at your disposal at this very moment. Those qualities > > are needed for you to begin to understand and enjoy and love the new > > state of affairs you, by the grace of creation, find yourself in at > > this moment. So please let me know how you feel about these > > suggestions - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2007 Report Share Posted April 26, 2007 Hi Chrism, Thanks for your words. I respect what you are saying about clearing the victim aspect. Though at times I have felt or feared I was completely lost to this, it has only been through major grounding work, will, self-love, perseverance, creativity and the support of people around me that my " symptoms " are changing...at least day by day I am functioning much better with them than I was. " They " are not gone. Or I am " still in their world " . Either way, the experience of invasion is not OK with me and I am determined to pass through it, find a way to heal or reintegrate (how ever to understand it). I want this to change quickly. I now have a strong enough sense of my personal essence/personal ground again to strongly want the sanctity of my home back (body-mind). I have tried kicking them out, invoking the archangels, sending love, harmonizing, getting enraged, working with clairvoyant healers, burying myself in sand, trying to call myself back, surrenduring to the now...this is where I do feel helpless, but only in the sense that I don't know what to do, and not in the sense that I am doing nothing or totally disempowered. It is not that nothing I have tried is working...I am definitely more grounded and feel much more on the earth again. My breath is getting more free. My will to live and come out the other side stronger is energized. I definitely welcome any insight that you have. What does an incursion look like? Thanks, Laura On 4/26/07, chrism <> wrote: > > Hello LK yes, > What you describe is a possibility but I would suggest > that the victim aspect of the experience be eliminated. I know it > may seem to feel and appear as if actions are being taken against > you but you are still the person in charge of this scenario. > > As you have stated you have experienced an abrupt activation of the > Kundalini which has caused some displacement of your energetic > structure. You are a complete individual at this very moment. Your > activation being unsought and unplanned has caused an idea of a > framework of uncontrolled and outrageous, fantastic experiences > being witnessed firsthand by yourself as if you are a leaf being > blown in a whirlwind. This is not uncommon for the type of > activation you have achieved. > > These entities have only as much power over you as you allow them to > have and your fear will only feed the idea of the lack of control > you may feel about the situation. This is a false belief. It is a > corruption of what you actually have, which in reality is a very > powerful state of affairs. Some guidance and some measures can be > taken to help you in this situation but before these can be offered > you would do well to begin the process of taking back command of > what you believe and what you are feeling regardless of where you > perceive the source of the insult or contradiction to that thought > stream is located. Nothing has been taken from you no matter what > you are told or feel at this time. Manipulation of thought and > feelings can occur. A steadfast focus upon personal strength of love > and power of the self, that you are, can clear this up quickly. > > An energetic or astral fragment can be made to feel as if it is > missing. You may feel that it is disconnected from you but then > the " voodoo doll " aspect of it would not be able to have effect. So > it is still with you be assured. You are being taught lessons, but > in a classroom like no other you have attended. > > You have embarked upon the " test of fear " a trial by fire of how you > handle and respond to the fears that are most important to you. > Kundalini awakenings unsought will have the action of placing a > person into this environment immediately. This fear can then be seen > by " others " and a scenario of pain and " torture " as occurred in my > case can then proceed. Your job is to decide when enough is enough. > > FYI These tests will continue until you pass them. Failure only > allows the current situation to exist or worsen. And you will pass > this test and those that follow. It is the amount of time that it > takes to do so that is what you can decide at this point. > > So I would like to read your thoughts about this. I can do an > incursion upon you. But I cannot take away the feeling of being > victimized and helpless. That state of internal affairs will only > act as a leakage of the self determination and strength and personal > power you have at your disposal at this very moment. Those qualities > are needed for you to begin to understand and enjoy and love the new > state of affairs you, by the grace of creation, find yourself in at > this moment. So please let me know how you feel about these > suggestions - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 I have been observing and considering the implications of methamphetamine use for a while now. I may be way off the mark but from my observations it seems as though the ice/meth actually lowers the place where consciousness resides, (within the chakras). This has the effect of causing users to excuse their behaviour whilst on the drug to the point of allowing themselves to engage in behaviour that they would not normally consider. This is why it is difficult to explain the situation sufficiently to someone who is 'under the influence' because their perceptions no longer include their normally heightened reasoning abilities to self analyse their lowered moralities. To add further to the validity of my assumptions, in the Hindu belief system, the chakras also are `gateways' to various astral planes, so it becomes apparent where the access for various entities exists. Most individuals living standard lives exist within the first three chakras. The ascension begins for someone entering into an awakening when their consciousness begins to rise into the fourth (heart) chakra. For an individual who is viewing life from the within the muladhara (base/first) chakra, excessive meth/ice usage could lower the place they exist to actually fall below the muladhara, and into the little known seven chakras which exist below- what I perceive to be hell. Dangerous for those around the effected individual and mortifyingly destructive for the person concerned. This present epidemic really is a scourge on society, though as always, I believe everything is for a reason There are certainly valuable lessons to be learnt for those engaging within this sub-culture. I would be fascinated to hear your views on this chrism? kind regards, glen o. , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Yes Sam these attacks, from this reality, are exemplified by what > and who you here those people who are addicted to alcohol and or > drugs communicating with. The alcoholic on the street talking to the > invisible entity or the methamphetimine user seeing and being chased > by demons are seeing and interacting with a consciousness form. > imho. These forms can and do attach to those that have been hyper- > inserted into the overlap of areas as described by M, by a Kundalini > event. The lower astral and other labels that we have come to know > the first area of intermix with the physical reality by can have an > effect on the newly awakened. > > This is all being explained in a linear fashion but that is not > necessarily accurate. Linear reality only exits for those of us in a > limited life form of specific sensate frequencies. " Out there " is a > different form of linear expectation. Difficult to explain while in > body. You Sam, have a great resource in your OOB experiences and can > understand very well the hobbles we sometimes put upon ourselves in > order to learn certain lessons. Hobbles you have thrown away long > ago. - blessings Sam -- chrism > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Hello Glen, I feel most addiction will follow this range of integrity breakdown. Meth, Alcohol, pot, gambling, power, sexual etc. They all have this component. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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