Robert Bruce's material

[Guest guest]

I have been avoiding this as my intuitive natures have indicated how

far off the mark this person is with regards to the Kundalini. I do

not mean to burst any bubbles or to discredit him as he is held by

many to have great knowledge and experience with the subject.

 

Suffice to say I have not found that to be the case. He is probably a

very nice person though I do not, in any way, intend to impugn his

personality.

 

So I forced myself just now to read the " article " that zappy so

kindly provided. I must say that there is so much mis-information and

projection that I have over a page and then some of notes and I only

made it through half the article. I will stop.

 

Rather than offer critiques about his " version " of the Kundalini and

its effects and ramifications upon the body and soul. I will simply

state that this is not what is offered here. Here are some of the

areas of what I refer to:

 

No magic words or

Physically immortal masters is not the goal

Emperical processes are not required

Instant creation isnt automatically gifted

Instant control over the environment is not given

OBEs are not needed

30 years of age is not required

No one " main " event being what he calls the snake

 

No guessing about reasonable expectations after admitting you havent

experienced a type of phenomena

 

Yes for crown openings but with out the loss of energy out the top of

the head and the other " issues " mentioned

 

I find his whole way of approach to be one of domination over the

environment and " use " Of the Kundalini for want of gain and that of

the control of physical processes specifically of aging. This

indicates some level of fear with that process. And is also a catch

phrase for those who also wish this and in some way it is a con on

people who are chasing the fountain of youth thru Kundalini. Fear of

loss and want of gain is a constant attribute of this article. So I

will leave it at that and go my way.

 

If I am asked again about the Robert Bruce material I will say " no "

one does not " need " to follow those descriptions or rules and or

limitations to activate and flow with the Kundalini. Not saying there

are no protocols for this purpose but they are not in that particular

article. And I do not wish to debate the rightness or the wrongness

of this here.

 

If his information attracts you then go for it! But please do not

bring it back here unless you " must " for some reason or another. If

it is to defend his viewpoint then please do it with him and his

followers it will be more appreciated there. -

[Guest guest]

Makes me wonder, I bought one of his books several years ago and

still have not read it. Haven't even taken the CD off the back cover

and used it yet even. I've tried reading on his website, as well, and

just never could connect for some reason. He has many followers

though, so they must be getting something from his teachings. I

mainly didn't care for the focus on negative entities there. I did

enjoy his interview on C2C a couple of weeks ago though.

 

CC

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been avoiding this as my intuitive natures have indicated

how

> far off the mark this person is with regards to the Kundalini. I do

> not mean to burst any bubbles or to discredit him as he is held by

> many to have great knowledge and experience with the subject.

>

> Suffice to say I have not found that to be the case. He is probably

a

> very nice person though I do not, in any way, intend to impugn his

> personality.

>

> So I forced myself just now to read the " article " that zappy so

> kindly provided. I must say that there is so much mis-information

and

> projection that I have over a page and then some of notes and I

only

> made it through half the article. I will stop.

>

> Rather than offer critiques about his " version " of the Kundalini

and

> its effects and ramifications upon the body and soul. I will simply

> state that this is not what is offered here. Here are some of the

> areas of what I refer to:

>

> No magic words or

> Physically immortal masters is not the goal

> Emperical processes are not required

> Instant creation isnt automatically gifted

> Instant control over the environment is not given

> OBEs are not needed

> 30 years of age is not required

> No one " main " event being what he calls the snake

>

> No guessing about reasonable expectations after admitting you

havent

> experienced a type of phenomena

>

> Yes for crown openings but with out the loss of energy out the top

of

> the head and the other " issues " mentioned

>

> I find his whole way of approach to be one of domination over the

> environment and " use " Of the Kundalini for want of gain and that of

> the control of physical processes specifically of aging. This

> indicates some level of fear with that process. And is also a catch

> phrase for those who also wish this and in some way it is a con on

> people who are chasing the fountain of youth thru Kundalini. Fear

of

> loss and want of gain is a constant attribute of this article. So I

> will leave it at that and go my way.

>

> If I am asked again about the Robert Bruce material I will say " no "

> one does not " need " to follow those descriptions or rules and or

> limitations to activate and flow with the Kundalini. Not saying

there

> are no protocols for this purpose but they are not in that

particular

> article. And I do not wish to debate the rightness or the wrongness

> of this here.

>

> If his information attracts you then go for it! But please do not

> bring it back here unless you " must " for some reason or another. If

> it is to defend his viewpoint then please do it with him and his

> followers it will be more appreciated there. -

>

[Guest guest]

Everything that I read online or anywhere else, I realize is relative

to the observer's perspective, which I think this is a healthy way to

learn. It is interesting to read about a variety of experiences

knowing that two people will not experience exactly the same thing;

imho it will always be colored by their own personality and character.

I don't necessarily think *right* or *wrong* but just *different* when

I read these types of things. These observations of Bruce's are

indicative of where he was on his own path at the time of writing

them. I still enjoyed the read even though I filed it under my

*alternate viewpoint* folder lol. I think he should have presented his

findings more as a *relative* work in progress rather than a

definitive question & answer guide for the masses, allowing the reader

to decide what resonates within and what doesn't. love & light ~Jen~

[Guest guest]

Yes a very astute way of looking at it Jen. I also would suggest that

his ideas about the OBE is very much in line with how I feel about

them - in connection with the Kundalini. So there is also agreement.

We are diverse people and will have diverse experience. - blessings -

chrism

[Guest guest]

I finally got to read the Bruce article (I seem to be running a bit

late on everything, LOL). Some of the things Bruce mentions sound

familiar: for example, my K didn't go straight for the crown the

first time around, either. It's also true that the K rises and then

goes down again, allowing for a stage of " normalcy " between spikes.

 

Overall, however, Bruce seems to be describing a very individual

experience that may or may not be shared by others. For one, I never

had the ugly snake thing he describes, and never had a voluntary OBE

before my K rose. The loss of energy through the crown sounds bizarre

to me, too, and so does the mention of a medusa stage. What on earth

is that? The tentacles above the crown also sound strange--I have a

lot of stuff going on up there, but never of the kind described by

Bruce. Is this the medusa stage?

 

I am sure Bruce has truthfully experienced all of these phenomena,

but what he describes is hardly a universal pattern. Which, on the

other hand, is understandable: when we experiment with these things

we may all tend to normalize and universalize our experiences ( " if it

happened to me this way, that's the way it must happen to

everybody " ). That's why sharing experiences and brainstorming about

interpretations is so important.

 

Sel

 

, " Karen

Pickering " <karen_pckrng wrote:

>

>

> Hi Chrism,

> I thank you for your take on his article. As a newcomer to in depth

> views on K energy I am reading everything I can on this group and

> find it all fascinating and extremly helpful,very grateful such a

> group exists.Anyway, after reading the article i was quite

> frightened,I envisioned me, a big snake shooting up through my

> body,tearing me apart,sending lungs,liver,heart all flying around

> the room and if I didnt die of shock in the process i was likely to

> feel like someone had injected my spine with poison and be twisted

> in pain,lol........it made me want to back off the whole thing and

I

> dont like OBEs, they happen me a lot and frighten me as i dont know

> where im heading,dont like seeing myself laying in bed while i

float

> off elsewhere......so i thought,hey,forget this,but thank you again

> for your views.

> Karen

> , " chrism "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > I have been avoiding this as my intuitive natures have indicated

> how

> > far off the mark this person is with regards to the Kundalini. I

> do

> > not mean to burst any bubbles or to discredit him as he is held

by

> > many to have great knowledge and experience with the subject.

> >

> > Suffice to say I have not found that to be the case. He is

> probably a

> > very nice person though I do not, in any way, intend to impugn

his

> > personality.

> >

> > So I forced myself just now to read the " article " that zappy so

> > kindly provided. I must say that there is so much mis-information

> and

> > projection that I have over a page and then some of notes and I

> only

> > made it through half the article. I will stop.

> >

> > Rather than offer critiques about his " version " of the Kundalini

> and

> > its effects and ramifications upon the body and soul. I will

> simply

> > state that this is not what is offered here. Here are some of the

> > areas of what I refer to:

> >

> > No magic words or

> > Physically immortal masters is not the goal

> > Emperical processes are not required

> > Instant creation isnt automatically gifted

> > Instant control over the environment is not given

> > OBEs are not needed

> > 30 years of age is not required

> > No one " main " event being what he calls the snake

> >

> > No guessing about reasonable expectations after admitting you

> havent

> > experienced a type of phenomena

> >

> > Yes for crown openings but with out the loss of energy out the

top

> of

> > the head and the other " issues " mentioned

> >

> > I find his whole way of approach to be one of domination over the

> > environment and " use " Of the Kundalini for want of gain and that

> of

> > the control of physical processes specifically of aging. This

> > indicates some level of fear with that process. And is also a

> catch

> > phrase for those who also wish this and in some way it is a con

on

> > people who are chasing the fountain of youth thru Kundalini. Fear

> of

> > loss and want of gain is a constant attribute of this article. So

> I

> > will leave it at that and go my way.

> >

> > If I am asked again about the Robert Bruce material I will

> say " no "

> > one does not " need " to follow those descriptions or rules and or

> > limitations to activate and flow with the Kundalini. Not saying

> there

> > are no protocols for this purpose but they are not in that

> particular

> > article. And I do not wish to debate the rightness or the

> wrongness

> > of this here.

> >

> > If his information attracts you then go for it! But please do not

> > bring it back here unless you " must " for some reason or another.

> If

> > it is to defend his viewpoint then please do it with him and his

> > followers it will be more appreciated there. -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have read Robert Bruce's book on psychic protection and half of his

other on bioenergy work plus some writings on the site and have found

him to be a principled honest teacher. Some of the experiences that

led him towards his current position have been of divine guidance. On

reading his views regarding kundalini it appears this is an area in

which he perhaps was not intended to broadcast knowledge to those that

seek a more loving route.

 

Pain and suffering dealing with fear are experiences of the flesh, of

our grosser form of being, part of the " contrast " if you like, that

enable one (whose eyes are open) to rise above and see the truths. To

learn the lessons on offer. It often enables a more rapid evolution of

spiritual consciousness. Imho. The sort of hardships that many of us

here have endured as part of the prelude to our own awakenings as

described in:

http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/kundalini-severe-life-plans.html.

 

 

So maybe those who are lead to RB's perspective are due to experience

the kundalini in the manner appropriate for them and as a matter of

course he has some excellent information available to assist those

encountering other astral aspects.

 

We should be thankful that our journeys have lead us here and into

kundalini within love based parameters. So much more pleasant a path.

 

For many individuals though, love and right action is insufficient a

drawcard to catalyse the change within. Ego may play a part within the

choice patterns of these people as they feel drawn towards danger and

challenges. The natural progression for this path would be for the ego

to be tamed and resultantly conditioned for ascension. Easier written

than endured…

 

As always everything is always for a reason and there are some

especially good reasons in this current time.

 

Just my take.

 

Love to you all, glen o.

 

 

 

, " crazycats711 "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> Makes me wonder, I bought one of his books several years ago and

> still have not read it. Haven't even taken the CD off the back cover

> and used it yet even. I've tried reading on his website, as well, and

> just never could connect for some reason. He has many followers

> though, so they must be getting something from his teachings. I

> mainly didn't care for the focus on negative entities there. I did

> enjoy his interview on C2C a couple of weeks ago though.

>

> CC

>

>

> , " chrism "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > I have been avoiding this as my intuitive natures have indicated

> how

> > far off the mark this person is with regards to the Kundalini. I do

> > not mean to burst any bubbles or to discredit him as he is held by

> > many to have great knowledge and experience with the subject.

> >

> > Suffice to say I have not found that to be the case. He is probably

> a

> > very nice person though I do not, in any way, intend to impugn his

> > personality.

> >

> > So I forced myself just now to read the " article " that zappy so

> > kindly provided. I must say that there is so much mis-information

> and

> > projection that I have over a page and then some of notes and I

> only

> > made it through half the article. I will stop.

> >

> > Rather than offer critiques about his " version " of the Kundalini

> and

> > its effects and ramifications upon the body and soul. I will simply

> > state that this is not what is offered here. Here are some of the

> > areas of what I refer to:

> >

> > No magic words or

> > Physically immortal masters is not the goal

> > Emperical processes are not required

> > Instant creation isnt automatically gifted

> > Instant control over the environment is not given

> > OBEs are not needed

> > 30 years of age is not required

> > No one " main " event being what he calls the snake

> >

> > No guessing about reasonable expectations after admitting you

> havent

> > experienced a type of phenomena

> >

> > Yes for crown openings but with out the loss of energy out the top

> of

> > the head and the other " issues " mentioned

> >

> > I find his whole way of approach to be one of domination over the

> > environment and " use " Of the Kundalini for want of gain and that of

> > the control of physical processes specifically of aging. This

> > indicates some level of fear with that process. And is also a catch

> > phrase for those who also wish this and in some way it is a con on

> > people who are chasing the fountain of youth thru Kundalini. Fear

> of

> > loss and want of gain is a constant attribute of this article. So I

> > will leave it at that and go my way.

> >

> > If I am asked again about the Robert Bruce material I will say " no "

> > one does not " need " to follow those descriptions or rules and or

> > limitations to activate and flow with the Kundalini. Not saying

> there

> > are no protocols for this purpose but they are not in that

> particular

> > article. And I do not wish to debate the rightness or the wrongness

> > of this here.

> >

> > If his information attracts you then go for it! But please do not

> > bring it back here unless you " must " for some reason or another. If

> > it is to defend his viewpoint then please do it with him and his

> > followers it will be more appreciated there. -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Glen! I agree with what you said here. I have seen first

hand that when fear of the K is let go of, things run much more

smoothly. This is a blessing of a group and the road to

enlightenment a much more pleasant one for those who are lucky enough

to be here.

 

Sarita

 

, " Glen Olah "

<glen_olah wrote:

>

> I have read Robert Bruce's book on psychic protection and half of

his

> other on bioenergy work plus some writings on the site and have

found

> him to be a principled honest teacher. Some of the experiences that

> led him towards his current position have been of divine guidance.

On

> reading his views regarding kundalini it appears this is an area in

> which he perhaps was not intended to broadcast knowledge to those

that

> seek a more loving route.