forgiveness/ascendance - GLEN

[Guest guest]

I agree. Glen has a gentle, caring soul and shares it so freely.

Thanks Glen!

 

Sarita

 

, novalees

<Novalees wrote:

>

> Dearest Glen, every time I see through your eyes I

> feel things change in me. Thank you for sharing your

> self with us. Love, dhyana

[Guest guest]

Glen, you are certainly right about those who

perpetrate harm on others...I, too, imagine how the

young man who kiled my nephew and his best friend will

feel when the veil is lifted (the veil of life in the

physical plane where he currently feels NO remorse

whatsoever for killing 2 people) and the full

realization of what he has done hits him. My heart

goes out to him for the suffering and anguish he will

feel.

 

" > > It is always this way. There is no good and bad,

> no

> > right or wrong –

> > only the implications of ones choice. "

 

So true. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

 

Claudia

 

--- novalees <Novalees wrote:

 

> Dearest Glen, every time I see through your eyes I

> feel things change in me. Thank you for sharing your

> self with us. Love, dhyana

>

>

> --- Glen Olah <gleno wrote:

>

> > An easy way to help yourself to forgive is to

> simply

> > go one step

> > further and have compassion for the person

> instead.

> > This will allow a

> > genuine forgiveness to flow from you more

> naturally.

> > Allow me to explain…

> >

> > <snip> " The thief who was driving laughingly

> admitted

> > to his partner

> > that he ran her down on purpose. This is difficult

> > to forgive. " </snip>

> >

> > The implications of what this man did are going to

> > hit him like a ton

> > of bricks. Put yourself in his position and now

> let

> > it dawn on you

> > what you have caused through choices you made. How

> > awful what awaits

> > this man. The agonizing he will endure to learn

> his

> > lessons. Very

> > probably such crucial lessons to this persons

> > evolution that they are

> > unlikely to occur in this life. It could be the

> > entire purpose behind

> > a complete different incarnation to work through

> the

> > implications of

> > this one choice. My heart goes out to this poor

> soul

> > and all that

> > awaits him. No doubt the dharma and karma are

> > already beginning to

> > manifest.

> >

> > It is always this way. There is no good and bad,

> no

> > right or wrong –

> > only the implications of ones choice.

> >

> > Of course there are more correct choices as we

> move

> > closer to

> > realization. And I have always been of the opinion

> > that awareness

> > limits choice. To be aware of the correct choice

> yet

> > choose an

> > alternative is to exponentially generate negative

> > energies connected

> > to the consequences of that decision.

> >

> > I choose love and the choices manifested thereof…

> >

> > Love to you all, glen o.

> >

> >

> > --- In

> > ,

> > " crazycats711 "

> > <crazycats711 wrote:

> > >

> > > I guess I can tell about mine, too. I have had

> two

> > of my siblings

> > > murdered. My sister was only 16 years old. She

> was

> > raped and killed,

> > > but the constable of the little town in which we

> > lived reported it as

> > > a suicide, but of course we all new better and

> so

> > did he. The killer

> > > and rapist was left free and almost did the same

> > to another sister,

> > > but she was smart and took no chances and had

> > pistol with her at the

> > > time. It scared the man so bad he had a heart

> > attack, right there in

> > > front of her. She went to get help, but he was

> > dead by the time the

> > > time they got there. My youngest brother and

> the

> > sister that was

> > > mudered, were very close. He blame himself for

> > what happened (that he

> > > wasn't there to protect her) and had mental

> > problems after that.

> > > About 20 years ago he walked away from all

> family

> > and became a

> > > homeless person. He was found dead/murdered in a

> > parking lot in Fort

> > > Worth. His killer got away free, as well. I

> would

> > say it effected

> > > that youngest sister very much too, to be

> carrying

> > a gun around with

> > > her. They both could have used some counciling

> for

> > sure, but my

> > > parents were not so well off to afford that.

> That

> > youngest sister

> > > died when she when she was only about 22, I

> think

> > it was. She died of

> > > chicken pox going to her lungs. That's another

> sad

> > story in itself.

> > > She left behind a two year old daughter. Right

> > now, I am the only one

> > > in the family that this daughter stays in

> contact

> > with. It's a sad

> > > situation. My family has a lot of problems.

> > >

> > > I have had dream visits from all three of them.

> I

> > know they are all

> > > doing well and are OK now. That does helps in

> > being able to forgive

> > > all that were involved in what took place.

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > >

> > > CC

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

> > ,

> > Elektra Fire

> > > <elektra.fire@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > What a touching story, seems like many of us

> > here have

> > > > been touched by murder, death and accidents.

> > > > Kenny sounds like a wondeful boy, but then

> > again, it's

> > > > always the good ones it seems.

> > > > The three people I've lost in sad

> circumstances

> > were

> > > > all amazing people, young and vibrant, full of

> > joy.

> > > > I think that heaven sometimes needs some extra

> > angels

> > > > and so takes the best ones!!!

> > > > My heart is with you and his family, you are

> > very

> > > > brave and so is his mother it seems.

> > > > What a blessing that his mum was able to speak

> > with

> > > > him, this must bring a great deal of comfort

> to

> > her.

> > > > Thankyou for sharing your story about Kenny

> with

> > us,

> > > > when we forgive we bring peace to those who

> have

> > > > passed over also I believe.

> > > >

> > > > Big hug Elektra x x x

> > > >

> > > > --- Claudia Lambright <newtfoodbowl@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > My 21-year-old nephew (Kenny) and his

> > roommate/best

> > > > > friend (Thomas) were murdered in a robbery

> > attempt

> > > > > in

> > > > > their home 5 years ago July 26. Another

> > friend

> > > > > (John)

> > > > > was staying at the house at the time, and he

> > > > > narrowly

> > > > > escaped being shot. The three of them had

> > walked to

> > > > > a

> > > > > nearby convenience store to get some beer;

> in

> > the

> > > > > convenience store, a friendly conversation

> had

> > > > > started

> > > > > up with some other boys there. The five

> young

>

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I agree i do it can just be so hard sometimes. Anyways i've been

trying but other people tend to view it as making excuses for getting

upset too easily. People i've met have always viewed my personality

and my depression as me being a baby or making my self out to be a

victum. They were parcially right but i dissagree. I was trying to

confront my issues and my past and those who have hurt me. By them

getting annoyed with me it was only causing me to repress those

issues and pretend i was okay for there sake. I had a friend

litterally tell me she doesn't want to be around me anymore because

she was sick of hearing it. However i rarely/barely brought it up

because i already knew she didn't want to hear it. Well i'm no longer

friends with her because of it. I decided she was making me worse and

putting me down for wanting to get better even though she wanted me

to feel better too but as long as it didn't involve her. She also

thought she had to make me better or something like that. Don't quite

understand how she could of but all i wanted was a friend to talk to

not a theropist or whatever she wanted to be to me. anyways that is

just babbling right now. Point is it can be hard to forgive and

forget and let go and trust again. I don't know what i have to do or

how far yet i have to go but i do know i will get there when i get

there. That the universe God, Goddess, spirit... everything will open

doors close doors and i will find myself on the path or paths i need

to be on. I realize that if i don't see the door i need open infront

of me it is because i'm not ready to go through. Patience i have some

for this but not for other things. I have been more confident and

strong over the past 7 months. I intend to get stronger and more

confident till i can turn around and see who i was and realize i

should of tried harder a long time ago. I was weak making excuses

alowing my past to control me, my pain to push me down. I have many

more steps to take but i am ready for the challenges as they

come...lol

thanks for listening...

Tiffany

 

, " Glen Olah "

<gleno wrote:

>

> Hi Tiffany,

>

> Never ever pretend something didn't happen. Learn to be 100% honest

> with others first then it becomes possible to be 100% honest with

> yourself. And then everything is in the open, nothing is hidden, all

> is on the table to be dealt with from an honest perspective. No

hidden

> agendas lurking in dark corners to confuse your judgements. Rather

> than squinting to avoid viewing the full issue your vision clears

and

> one " rises above " the situation and sees it for what it is.

>

> Just my take. Lots of love to you, glen o.

>

>

> Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

1 , " tiffmidngtwilo "

> <tiffmidngtwilo@> wrote:

> >

> > Forgiving isn't my specialties. I wouldn't be able to be so kind.

I

> > spent my whole life pretending nothing happened and only now i'm

able

> > to accept that what did happen happened and i can't change that.

> > Forgiving seems impossable right now. How do people handle these

> > things, let go... Have the strength to do that? I try and

somedays I

> > can but other days not so good. Like with friends the little

things i

> > can get over and accept happened but then trust becomes the

issue.

> > How can you trust or is it okay not to trust those who have hurt

you?

> > But then how can you forgive them? And then if you forgive it

becomes

> > denial sometimes. Sorry! I didn't mean to toss my self out there

in

> > the middle of the converstations. It's just so hard to forgive

some

> > people. I admire those who can, but feel some people shouldn't be

> > forgiven at least by me.

> > Tiffany

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes we have to make sacrifices and put ourselves in situations

with those we care about but can't trust. I'll go out on a limb

here... Like my husband he lies soo much never notices he is lieing.

He's been getting better because i have been calling him on

everything and he right away says he didn't mean it he meant

something else. Like a child he would lie since i married him. Turns

out before then i just didn't know until i married him. It's nothing

major just things like dishes or laundry or our kids he forgot to

tell them but he would just flat out say he did when he didn't and it

was obvious. Say he entered in the amount for the check book two

weeks later i realize we are way off and he lies and says he did put

it in. I once had to call the bank on a misterious withdrawl after

the bank paid us back i found a reciept for that amount. No reason to

lie if you buy some food at a gas station. What do i look like a

prison guard. It would get on my nerve to the point where i said if

your going to continue this your going to have to leave. So now i

have his attention and i really don't want stupid things to end our

marriage because he is who he is. I don't trust him but if i want

this to work out i have to try even though he honestly hasn't changed

at all. Were going to be married 5 years this friday. Were both 25

years old with two kids. So yes i put my self in situations with

people i can't trust but if i walked away from the masses who have

hurt me then i'd be left alone. SO i do forgive but i don't seem to

let it go. uhg!!! I end up harboring it so that there isn't an

arguement or fight and there is so much more to it then the check

book and lies i know that is just little things in a marriage but

there is more. And with my X friend and her friends so i've found

out. But my husband is still friends with my x-friends husband so

it's all complicated and agrivating. I did forgive her but then she

took everything out on my kids and hers didn't want them seeing each

other uninvited my kids to her sons birthday party type of thing.

Then started lieing to my husband and hers about me i freeked out.

Yet i still have to deal with these people for my kids and my

husbands sake. It's hard to trust and to forgive when you can't

trust. If you turn your back will you get it in the back. No it's not

like a murder or anything tragic and maybe if that was the case i

would see things differently. I'd never wish that on anyone.... But i

haven't yet learned how to let it go for good. Or if i should...

Tiffany

 

, " Glen Olah "

<gleno wrote:

>

> Why does trust become an issue? Everything comes down to choice; if

> one chooses to continue associating with someone they can no longer

> " trust " within certain parameters then one must be prepared to

suffer

> the consequences of that choice. It is impossible to blame the other

> for the the consequences of ones choice.

>

> We all manifest the circumstances creating our reality through our

> individual choice. imho.

>

>

>

> Like with friends the little things i

> > > can get over and accept happened but then trust becomes the

issue.

> > > How can you trust or is it okay not to trust those who have

hurt you?

> > > But then how can you forgive them? And then if you forgive it

becomes

> > > denial sometimes.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there. Good for you that you are trying! This is the first step.

 

Also, you will realize that what others think of 'you' does not

matter. You must be happy with yourself regardless of what others

think of you. You are a beautiful person, just remember that!

 

Blessings,

 

Leslie

 

Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

1 , " tiffmidngtwilo " <tiffmidngtwilo wrote:

>

> I agree i do it can just be so hard sometimes. Anyways i've been

> trying but other people tend to view it as making excuses for

getting

> upset too easily. People i've met have always viewed my personality

> and my depression as me being a baby or making my self out to be a

> victum. They were parcially right but i dissagree. I was trying to

> confront my issues and my past and those who have hurt me. By them

> getting annoyed with me it was only causing me to repress those

> issues and pretend i was okay for there sake. I had a friend

> litterally tell me she doesn't want to be around me anymore because

> she was sick of hearing it. However i rarely/barely brought it up

> because i already knew she didn't want to hear it. Well i'm no

longer

> friends with her because of it. I decided she was making me worse

and

> putting me down for wanting to get better even though she wanted me

> to feel better too but as long as it didn't involve her. She also

> thought she had to make me better or something like that. Don't

quite

> understand how she could of but all i wanted was a friend to talk

to

> not a theropist or whatever she wanted to be to me. anyways that is

> just babbling right now. Point is it can be hard to forgive and

> forget and let go and trust again. I don't know what i have to do

or

> how far yet i have to go but i do know i will get there when i get

> there. That the universe God, Goddess, spirit... everything will

open

> doors close doors and i will find myself on the path or paths i

need

> to be on. I realize that if i don't see the door i need open

infront

> of me it is because i'm not ready to go through. Patience i have

some

> for this but not for other things. I have been more confident and

> strong over the past 7 months. I intend to get stronger and more

> confident till i can turn around and see who i was and realize i

> should of tried harder a long time ago. I was weak making excuses

> alowing my past to control me, my pain to push me down. I have many

> more steps to take but i am ready for the challenges as they

> come...lol

> thanks for listening...

> Tiffany

>

> , " Glen Olah "

> <gleno@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Tiffany,

> >

> > Never ever pretend something didn't happen. Learn to be 100%

honest

> > with others first then it becomes possible to be 100% honest with

> > yourself. And then everything is in the open, nothing is hidden,

all

> > is on the table to be dealt with from an honest perspective. No

> hidden

> > agendas lurking in dark corners to confuse your judgements. Rather

> > than squinting to avoid viewing the full issue your vision clears

> and

> > one " rises above " the situation and sees it for what it is.

> >

> > Just my take. Lots of love to you, glen o.

> >

> >

> > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

> 1 , " tiffmidngtwilo "

> > <tiffmidngtwilo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Forgiving isn't my specialties. I wouldn't be able to be so

kind.

> I

> > > spent my whole life pretending nothing happened and only now

i'm

> able

> > > to accept that what did happen happened and i can't change

that.

> > > Forgiving seems impossable right now. How do people handle

these

> > > things, let go... Have the strength to do that? I try and

> somedays I

> > > can but other days not so good. Like with friends the little

> things i

> > > can get over and accept happened but then trust becomes the

> issue.

> > > How can you trust or is it okay not to trust those who have

hurt

> you?

> > > But then how can you forgive them? And then if you forgive it

> becomes

> > > denial sometimes. Sorry! I didn't mean to toss my self out

there

> in

> > > the middle of the converstations. It's just so hard to forgive

> some

> > > people. I admire those who can, but feel some people shouldn't

be

> > > forgiven at least by me.

> > > Tiffany

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tiff! I can attest to the fact that you have come a long way.

I've seen your progress over the past several months. Rome wasn't

built in a day right? You WILL get there! You are here, that is a

huge step right there.

 

Sarita

 

, " tiffmidngtwilo "

<tiffmidngtwilo wrote:

>

> I agree i do it can just be so hard sometimes. Anyways i've been

> trying but other people tend to view it as making excuses for

getting

> upset too easily. People i've met have always viewed my personality

> and my depression as me being a baby or making my self out to be a

> victum.