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[Guest guest]

Dear Nicole,

I'm sorry to hear about this situation you are in with your

daughter.I know how tough it is; discerning what to do,

and how to proceed with your life decisions (and your family's), and

your spiritual growth, during times like this. Trying to discern the

best move to make.

I've been in very trying family situations myself. I've never had a

protection order against a family member, but I should have.

From my own experiences, I feel as though

mercy, forgiveness, and love are the biggest things. I feel as though

a family member, especially your child(no matter how troubled) should

never be given up on. As much as she's put you through, she is still

your little girl, and she really needs your love and guidance.

Maybe see if you can reach her somehow.

Possibly, this baby will enlighten her a little bit..enough at least,

for your teachings to finally sink in.

I know she's given you and your other daughter a whole lot of grief

and fright, (from the stabbing which you mentioned),but maybe she

really needs you to be there for her- in whatever way is possible for

you. After all, no one is perfect, and we are all trying to get to the

same place. Some of us just take a whole lot longer to learn what they

need to learn, and they take a lot of twists and turns along the way.

I don't know the whole situation, so I'll say that I wouldn't want you

to put yourself or your other children in danger, but that I feel as

though Kundalini would probably rather guide you toward mercy, love

and forgiveness, instead of severing ties. Even if the only thing you

can do for her right now is pray. I really hope you can find a way to

help her get back where she belongs. I really hope she doesn't end up

as a lost soul, raising a baby all alone, without a mom. What a

lonesome existence, full of heartache on all sides.

Maybe you could pray about it? I will pray about it also, okay?

I have a personal story of a situation which starts out bad and gets

worse, but with love, and forgiveness and perseverance it turns

around. If you'd like..feel free to email me. Maybe I could be of some

help. Tara<tjmassage7777

Love,

Tara

 

 

 

 

, " ntaroiu "

<lsirca wrote:

>

> I think I've been feeling much better the past two days.I had a

> spinal sweep last night and I was awake but not laying down in my

> bed.It felt like I was burning up and all that time my air

> conditioner was on but I couldn't feel it.Phew,hot,hot,hot!I had a

> strange dream this morning ! I was with my kids and we were looking

> for this mall that we saw on a billboard.We asked someone and she

> told us where it was and I suddenly remembered that I've been there

> before.We went to Target and I started looking at some jeans when

> all of a sudden I look around me and I see the man I've been

> dreaming about for the past year and I'm shocked and then I look

> away.He comes next to us and says hi and tells me that he would like

> to check out some books from the library but does not live there.I

> volunteer immediately to let him use my library card and then I wake

> up because my daughter brought the cat into my room.I had a couple

> of dreams before about him ,me and my kids but the majority of the

> dreams were just with me and him.I also had this other dream before

> this and it was really yucky.I was in a house and I go into this

> room and it was so dirty in there!It was my 17 year old daughter in

> there and she was covered in this filthy,urine soaked down comforter

> that I recognized as being mine.I gasped at the filth in that room!I

> then proceed to clean up.I put the comforter in the washer,sent her

> to take a shower and then start to clean up everything that's under

> the tv stand.You would not believe what I found in there.A bucked of

> spoiled milk,several packages of meat which was still cold

> (strange),several rotten bones etc.i than start to clean the floor

> and wash everything.I don't know what this means but I feel like I

> have to tell you something about my daughter.She no longer lives

> with me since she stabbed her oldest sister last year.I was forced

> to go to court to testify against her and she was sentenced to a

> correctional facility for an year.I was issued an order of

> protection.I knew I was to cut all communications with her but she

> keeps calling me and running away from there and everytime she goes

> back she has to start from the beginning.Last week she pushed her

> way inside by my 12 year old son and I was surprised to see her

> inside when I returned home with my other daughter from a doctor's

> appointment.I am not afraid but she must not be here with us.She got

> herself pregnant and she does not want to go back but I made her

> leave.She called me last night to ask me again if I would take her

> in and I said no.She then asked me how I can be so hartless and she

> started to lay the guilt on me but I can't be touched by anything

> anymore and I told her so.How do you practice detachment and tough

> love without seeming hartless?She keeps pushing harder and harder

> and harder until one day I will have to tell her that I don't want

> to hear or know anything about her.At least I know that I will have

> to do that.While I was talking on the phone with her last night the

> spinal sweep was happening to me and she told me that she could

> barely hear me and if my phone was tapped because the line was all

> full of static.I told her that someone does not want me to talk to

> her and it was the truth.I think K wants me to sever my relationship

> with her or whatever we have left.I didn't want to reveal too much

> about my personal life until now but as you can see I have had to

> lose a lot during the past year.

>

> Love,Nicole

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicole, I also was very moved by your email and feel great

sympathy for your very difficult situation. I cannot say what is

right for you to do, but I do believe in trying to find the best way

to help your daughter. She needs to know that you love her and want

to help her. I think if she feels that your intent is to sincerely

help her and that you love her, this will help her a great deal. When

I read your story my heart really broke for her. Perhaps I am a

softy, but there is no substitute for love! It seems she really just

wants the comfort of your love. We all can relate to that I think.

Perhaps you can find a way to convey this to her and still keep her

on track for her therapy and healing.

Your dream seems to be very clear in it's meaning regarding this

situation. You see your daughter in the dream, covered in a urine

soaked comforter that you recognize is yours...It seems that in real

life you view your daughter in a 'dirty, filthy' mess, and then you

recognize that she is your own, or that the mess she was in(the

comforter)was yours. You feel like you have to clean up 'her' mess,

but it just doesn't end there, with more filth in the room as you try

to clean up. In real life maybe you feel like you have to take care

of your daughter's problems and mess, and perhaps this is how you

feel when she calls you wanting to come home. Could you help her in

another way, without feeling like you are 'cleaning up her mess'? I

agree with the other members here who do not want you to abandon her.

I feel like she needs you more than ever. I sincerely wish you all

the best in this situation, which I know must be VERY difficult for

you and your family! I will keep you and your family in my prayers,

and ask for the best possible outcome for all involved. Love, Yog

 

 

 

 

 

, " Tara "

<tjmassage7777 wrote:

>

> Dear Nicole,

> I'm sorry to hear about this situation you are in with your

> daughter.I know how tough it is; discerning what to do,

> and how to proceed with your life decisions (and your family's),

and

> your spiritual growth, during times like this. Trying to discern the

> best move to make.

> I've been in very trying family situations myself. I've never had a

> protection order against a family member, but I should have.

> From my own experiences, I feel as though

> mercy, forgiveness, and love are the biggest things. I feel as

though

> a family member, especially your child(no matter how troubled)

should

> never be given up on. As much as she's put you through, she is still

> your little girl, and she really needs your love and guidance.

> Maybe see if you can reach her somehow.

> Possibly, this baby will enlighten her a little bit..enough at

least,

> for your teachings to finally sink in.

> I know she's given you and your other daughter a whole lot of grief

> and fright, (from the stabbing which you mentioned),but maybe she

> really needs you to be there for her- in whatever way is possible

for

> you. After all, no one is perfect, and we are all trying to get to

the

> same place. Some of us just take a whole lot longer to learn what

they

> need to learn, and they take a lot of twists and turns along the

way.

> I don't know the whole situation, so I'll say that I wouldn't want

you

> to put yourself or your other children in danger, but that I feel as

> though Kundalini would probably rather guide you toward mercy, love

> and forgiveness, instead of severing ties. Even if the only thing

you

> can do for her right now is pray. I really hope you can find a way

to

> help her get back where she belongs. I really hope she doesn't end

up

> as a lost soul, raising a baby all alone, without a mom. What a

> lonesome existence, full of heartache on all sides.

> Maybe you could pray about it? I will pray about it also, okay?

> I have a personal story of a situation which starts out bad and gets

> worse, but with love, and forgiveness and perseverance it turns

> around. If you'd like..feel free to email me. Maybe I could be of

some

> help. Tara<tjmassage7777

> Love,

> Tara

>

>

>

>

> , " ntaroiu "

> <lsirca@> wrote:

> >

> > I think I've been feeling much better the past two days.I had a

> > spinal sweep last night and I was awake but not laying down in my

> > bed.It felt like I was burning up and all that time my air

> > conditioner was on but I couldn't feel it.Phew,hot,hot,hot!I had

a

> > strange dream this morning ! I was with my kids and we were

looking

> > for this mall that we saw on a billboard.We asked someone and she

> > told us where it was and I suddenly remembered that I've been

there

> > before.We went to Target and I started looking at some jeans when

> > all of a sudden I look around me and I see the man I've been

> > dreaming about for the past year and I'm shocked and then I look

> > away.He comes next to us and says hi and tells me that he would

like

> > to check out some books from the library but does not live

there.I

> > volunteer immediately to let him use my library card and then I

wake

> > up because my daughter brought the cat into my room.I had a

couple

> > of dreams before about him ,me and my kids but the majority of

the

> > dreams were just with me and him.I also had this other dream

before

> > this and it was really yucky.I was in a house and I go into this

> > room and it was so dirty in there!It was my 17 year old daughter

in

> > there and she was covered in this filthy,urine soaked down

comforter

> > that I recognized as being mine.I gasped at the filth in that

room!I

> > then proceed to clean up.I put the comforter in the washer,sent

her

> > to take a shower and then start to clean up everything that's

under

> > the tv stand.You would not believe what I found in there.A bucked

of

> > spoiled milk,several packages of meat which was still cold

> > (strange),several rotten bones etc.i than start to clean the

floor

> > and wash everything.I don't know what this means but I feel like

I

> > have to tell you something about my daughter.She no longer lives

> > with me since she stabbed her oldest sister last year.I was

forced

> > to go to court to testify against her and she was sentenced to a

> > correctional facility for an year.I was issued an order of

> > protection.I knew I was to cut all communications with her but

she

> > keeps calling me and running away from there and everytime she

goes

> > back she has to start from the beginning.Last week she pushed her

> > way inside by my 12 year old son and I was surprised to see her

> > inside when I returned home with my other daughter from a

doctor's

> > appointment.I am not afraid but she must not be here with us.She

got

> > herself pregnant and she does not want to go back but I made her

> > leave.She called me last night to ask me again if I would take

her

> > in and I said no.She then asked me how I can be so hartless and

she

> > started to lay the guilt on me but I can't be touched by anything

> > anymore and I told her so.How do you practice detachment and

tough

> > love without seeming hartless?She keeps pushing harder and harder

> > and harder until one day I will have to tell her that I don't

want

> > to hear or know anything about her.At least I know that I will

have

> > to do that.While I was talking on the phone with her last night

the

> > spinal sweep was happening to me and she told me that she could

> > barely hear me and if my phone was tapped because the line was

all

> > full of static.I told her that someone does not want me to talk

to

> > her and it was the truth.I think K wants me to sever my

relationship

> > with her or whatever we have left.I didn't want to reveal too

much

> > about my personal life until now but as you can see I have had to

> > lose a lot during the past year.

> >

> > Love,Nicole

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nicole,

I did not speak earlier about your dream and your incidents with your

daughter because of the forum here trying to figure itself out and bring itself

back into some kind of form that everyone can live with comfortably.

But today, as I reread your letter, i realized that what you spoke of

here has so much to do with your personal kundalini experience and I felt the

need to speak to you about my own experiences with my children to help you.

I found out at the age of 14 that my son (eldest in the family) had been

molesting my 3 girls. My youngest daughter was 6. I had him arrested...and

then went through all the processes with him as he went through a year and a

half of treatment. After that they wanted to place him back in our home...and

my girls said they didn't feel secure and safe....and so he went into a foster

home.

My youngest daughter had the most problems...like your daughter she took a

knife to her sister...but she was 8 at the time and so those that were trying to

help me help my girls...didn't do anything. We tried all kinds of help...and

nothing worked. This daughter I was afraid would end up in prison as she seemed

to have no consideration for anyone but herself. She was diagnosed ADHD and

placed on Ritalin.

to make a long story as short as possible...in the end...the sisters

didn't have anything to do with the brother (understandable) and the one

daughter ended up on drugs. She went through rehab for awhile...got

pregnant...eventually lost her child to adoption....and is now off the hard

stuff...but still smoking. She tells me it is better than the harsh medications

that the docs always want to put her on. Today she is working, paying her own

way...and happy.

I had been moved around by the spirit world working on my own inner

healing...and as I healed those around me healed. At those times I was taken to

my children's homes...I was able to see my own mirror in them...those things in

me that needed healing...so they could heal.

Then two years ago...my son moved to Utah. he was married and doing well

with his life. He called me (I was in Salt Lake at my two oldest daughters

place...and after the call my eldest said " maybe it is time for us to meet " . I

couldn't believe my ears...the other daughter said yes...she wanted to also.

It took place at a restaurant...enough cars so that anyone who was

uncomfortable could leave at any time....but no one did. It was a happy

reunion. Later that week my son was invited to their home...and each of the

girls were able to talk to him privately as the right time came for each. Love

and deep forgiveness took place....and after two years...all still get together

and feel close. All are healing still within of other things that happened in

their lives but are helping each other through any hard times that come with

each.

What I am trying to convey to you is that it was the healing in

ME...through my working on my own forgiveness...and my forgiving my son...and

all that took place that began the deep healing in my children...for they could

feel in me the difference..and they could see in my the example of how we need

to relate to each other.

I know how difficult it is for you...i spent so many years with

counselors, taking classes in parenting, counseling...and anything I thought

might help them...and none of it worked. What did work...was my working on my

own inner healing...my own ability to forgive myself and others.

This is what we are doing here, learning to evolve in a way that is

beneficial not only to ourselves...but to our families and all mankind.

Kundalini experience helps us find our oneness with those that have hurt us

most...those that have caused so much chaos in our lives that all we want to do

is wash our hands of them...just to have a moments peace. But separating them

from our love does not give us peace...our peace comes from our ability to find

the deep forgiveness within...

 

Adina

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

You are so wise and so right Adina,

I have had this experience with my own mother, in

reverse. I healed myself and my relationship with her,

then she healed or is healing even now, her

relationship with her estranged mother. It worked back

up the generations

It brings me great joy to be able to sit with my mom

and grandma and have a civil family dinner with love

and smiles at the table.

when we stop the " blame game " and go within miracles

happen.

 

It truely is a powerful healing tool forgiveness, I've

never seen anything work as powerfully yet as

undetectably.

 

Love and peace

Elektra x x x

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for answering my post Adina. Thank you for sharing this most

unfortunate incident in your life. I am so happy for your family because in

spite of all this you were able to heal and to start trusting again. I

think time is the best healer. My circumstances are different because I

have to protect my two youngest children. If I give her another chance and

something happens again my two youngest children will be taken away. She

can't come back to live with us now and even though I forgave her she

can't be trusted because she can get violent. I am not ready to take that

chance. Trust is a very hard thing to gain back. I love her because she is

my daughter and I forgave her but to trust her so soon when she gives me

all the reasons not to trust her is like taking a chance on the lottery. I

pray for her and I wish her well and I hope she heals just like I did but

if she is unwilling to move forward and look past what happened, I cannot

do it for her now. Time is the answer here.

 

 

 

 

Love,Nicole

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That's right Yogbittar , I do think that you are kind of a softie but

don't get upset. My daughter has some violent tendencies and even though I

am not at fault because I was abused by my ex-husband too, I have felt

responsible in a way for that in the past.I was able to forgive and forget

and this awakening has had a great impact towards that. There is no past

for me anymore now. I feel like whatever happened happened for a reason and

I am not talking or thinking about it anymore but she is very preoccupied

with the past and holds a grudge. I have to protect my two youngest

children and that's all that matters now. She is very angry and when I let

her stay I could feel her anger and she drained my energy and gave me a

horrible headache. I love her and I told her so but now I am not willing and

shouldn't be taking a chance with her. It's very difficult but sometimes we

have to practice some tough love.

 

 

 

 

Love,Nicole

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicole, I understand your approach and don't necessarily disagree

with it (even though I am a total softy, I might take the same

actions as you in such a situation) What is important is that you be

ok with your approach...your dream and your post express some

emotional upset over the situation. So it would seem that the goal is

to get to a place where you can be at peace with the actions you

take. I see your situation through my " filter " and , well, for me the

solution is always love. As long as you feel that the intent behind

your actions is based from love (as opposed to anger or fear) then I

think you can find peace with what you decide to do. Then your

daughter will, at least on some level, also know this, despite what

she might say or do. Hope this makes sense. I think you are very

brave and admire your strength. I also feel deep sympathy for your

situation, and wish you all the best. With much love, Jeannette

 

 

 

 

 

, " niki "

<lsirca wrote:

>

> That's right Yogbittar , I do think that you are kind of a

softie but

> don't get upset. My daughter has some violent tendencies and even

though I

> am not at fault because I was abused by my ex-husband too, I have

felt

> responsible in a way for that in the past.I was able to forgive and

forget

> and this awakening has had a great impact towards that. There is

no past

> for me anymore now. I feel like whatever happened happened for a

reason and

> I am not talking or thinking about it anymore but she is very

preoccupied

> with the past and holds a grudge. I have to protect my two youngest

> children and that's all that matters now. She is very angry and

when I let

> her stay I could feel her anger and she drained my energy and

gave me a

> horrible headache. I love her and I told her so but now I am not

willing and

> shouldn't be taking a chance with her. It's very difficult but

sometimes we

> have to practice some tough love.

>

>

>

>

> Love,Nicole

>

>

>

>