Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hi Chrism, thanks for your welcome and comments. Chrism: Yes the cranial realignments. They are a feature of the Kundalini and do come and go in my experience. Betsy: In my experience they only came and never went. This was the majority of all the time I've spent so far - working in the skull. Not my decision, just what was happening. If it were left up to me, I would never make the decision to work the cranial bones.. Chrism: It is nice to read of your continuing infusion and the surrender you demonstrate to the process. 10 hours a day is a wonderful way of embracing the Kundalini and how fortunate you are to be able to devote that much time. Not everyone can so congratulations! Betsy: Thanks, yes I feel fortunate and thankful, yet also I see with hindsight that everything I need I end up getting, whether I want it or not! Chrism: This is a phenomenon of the Kundalini that can be surprising. As you say it is for a purpose and what that may be will be different for the individual as far as what needs to be aligned and where. As well as your spontaneous movements and stretches. Those stretches and movements you describe sound a lot like a kriyas. The automatic poses and stretches and movements that are induced by Kundalini, are not always experienced by a person inside of Kundalini. Betsy: Having went through over 6,000 hours of these kriyas in the last 18 months, my conclusion is that this is the way that the body rewires the central nervous system. So much is obvious to me now that wasn't before. But as I am pretty much alone with this, I don't expect to get any confirmation. Not from anybody who is having k. experiences, because my experience doesn't confirm them and not from anyone who isn't having k. experiences because it's way too far out to be accepted. I'm comfortable with this by now. Chrism: I have found that there are few rules regarding the symptoms that a person can experience with regards to the Kundalini though I agree that there are certain " seed elements " to use your analogy, that do tend to manifest for almost everyone I have encountered inside the process. These elements guide us through the process by allowing us a reference for comparison. Betsy: References can be handy. Chrism: These symptoms will present and yet the way a person processes them and how they are able to experience the expression of these phenomena will vary in my experience. We all come to the Kundalini potluck with different dishes! But it is the same potluck so your Seed analogy also holds! Betsy: I agree, because the personality is the experiencer and unique, therefore everyone will experience it differently. Chrism: Not all Kundalini people experience all the phenomena another will experience yet they are still inside the process. Betsy: Who is the authority to say what are authentic phenomena? Because all the phenomena are being reported by personal viewpoints this doesn't produce a database of references. If one could hook up a medical instrument and detect brain and nervous system changes, etc., as they occurred, then the personal interpretation wouldn't have so much weight and then there might be the possibility to establish something more concrete. All people are growing in awareness, and all are doing so at their own pace which has to do with their history. This I can agree with. I can also agree with that because the personality is the problem and pretending is a way that the personality survives, then we can know that in k. awakening like all other things, there will be pretenders and parroters. I am not putting anyone down with this statement, I just think it's better we know the truth about the matter. Chrism: Though I do agree with your oak tree analogy - nice! I have found that we evolve inside the Kundalini expression individually. We bring individual Karmic influence and experience to the table and though the propensity for the action of the Kundalini may be there in seed form, its expression may not need to be the same as another's expression. Hence the difference. Betsy: I only wish I would have said acorn inside of oak seek. I would like to sit in on the party of newly hatched butterflies to hear their stories of how it was for them to grow from a worm into a butterfly. For sure they each had their own history as a worm and experience of the growing, some coming earlier, some later, some having much difficulty, some little difficulty, etc. Yet in the end they all became butterflies. Chrism: As far as the dental reconstitution, this is a known phenomenon though not tightly associated with the Kundalini in the way of the infusion upon the body but an aspect of regeneration that Kundalini can help to induce. Betsy: I don't know what you mean by known phenomenon. Where is it known? Searching the internet there are very few cases of individuals growing a 3rd set of teeth. Chrism: Spinal injury, fractured bones, disease, dental imbalances, cancer do remain phenomena that can experience change with the specific expression of the Kundalini in conjunction with the " High Self " imho. This cannot be " proven " scientifically as the idea of a " High Self " isn't available for many in the west at this time. But there are some on this list who have experienced change because of it. Betsy: I can testify from my experience that everything in my body is being rebuilt, including much of what you have above, at this point it seems to be working on perfecting the skeletal frame and cranium, all that which connects directly to the central nervous system. I see the bones as the deepest tissue and that which carries the maximum amount of energy through the body, so it makes perfect sense to me that the skeleton needs to straighten out all over, and as the body is one whole, this includes all the bones of the skull. Thus all sutures in sacrum, pelvis and cranium will separate, open, be stretched and finally fully articulate with the attached tissue (ligaments, tendons and muscles). A very new experience for me, to feel like one is in an elastic body, freely able to pull and stretch bones to new positions. Of course this took many months of nervous system changes before this was the state of my body. Chrism: All I can say is what I have experienced with regards to dental redaction. My teeth have had a challenging existence! Yet they are still there and when I eat or smile it isn't as bad as I perhaps make it sound. Chrism: The phenomena in dreams of having the teeth fall out is also indicative of having your life completely changed. Nothing of the old remains. As the child looses his/her teeth and others come in to replace them, perhaps your new teeth are on the way. And in this case the teeth may or may not be needed. Certainly from a Kundalini stand point there are other ways of communicating and taking in nourishment. - just my take - blessings and welcome - chrism Betsy: The first signs I had in the teeth I thought new ones were growing in, there was a buzzing, or turning energy going around each tooth and they felt a little loose after when I wiggled on them, but later they reset. This phenomena repeated many more times then later I found out what it was. It was loosening the ligaments around the teeth, preparing for stretching of the mandible and maxillae. Later with jaw stretches, I felt a rubber band like feeling inside my mouth and it felt like a tooth flew out of my mouth. I even looked around on the ground, but no tooth, nothing missing. This phenomena then of 'rubber band tooth snap' happened more frequently and then eventually to e very tooth at once. This continued to increase until there happened the movement of the maxillae and mandible bones (after suture opening and loosening and much popping of other skull bones). I don't feel any snapping today, rather in this area of the teeth ligaments it feels like rubber bands, but that they stretch long, and don't snap, more like having a mouth full of bands connecting the lower and upper parts of the inside of the mouth. This was a few weeks ago, now this sensation is gone as the skull articulation grows closer to completion. I know this is probably too much for this list, but sometimes I just feel the need to express myself. thanks for the space. namaste, Betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hi Betsy. I am very grateful for all that you shared, thank you. It wasn't too much. I welcome the opportunity to hear what may be/is down the road. It won't be quite so shocking if I've heard about it ahead of time! lol! So thank you. Hug for all you're going through. Love, dhyana --- betsy <ystebanar wrote: > Hi Chrism, thanks for your welcome and comments. > > Chrism: Yes the cranial realignments. They are a > feature of the Kundalini and do come and go in my > experience. > > Betsy: In my experience they only came and never > went. This was the majority > of all the time I've spent so far - working in the > skull. Not my decision, just > what was happening. If it were left up to me, I > would never make > the decision to work the cranial bones.. > > Chrism: It is nice to read of your continuing > infusion and the surrender you > demonstrate to the process. 10 hours a day is a > wonderful way of > embracing the Kundalini and how fortunate you are to > be able to > devote that much time. Not everyone can so > congratulations! > > Betsy: Thanks, yes I feel fortunate and thankful, > yet also I see with hindsight > that everything I need I end up getting, whether I > want it or not! > > Chrism: This is a phenomenon of the Kundalini that > can be surprising. As you > say it is for a purpose and what that may be will be > different for > the individual as far as what needs to be aligned > and where. As well > as your spontaneous movements and stretches. Those > stretches and > movements you describe sound a lot like a kriyas. > The automatic poses > and stretches and movements that are induced by > Kundalini, are not > always experienced by a person inside of Kundalini. > > Betsy: Having went through over 6,000 hours of these > kriyas in the last > 18 months, my conclusion is that this is the way > that the body rewires > the central nervous system. So much is obvious to me > now that wasn't > before. But as I am pretty much alone with this, I > don't expect to get > any confirmation. Not from anybody who is having k. > experiences, > because my experience doesn't confirm them and not > from anyone > who isn't having k. experiences because it's way too > far out to be accepted. > I'm comfortable with this by now. > > Chrism: I have found that there are few rules > regarding the symptoms that a > person can experience with regards to the Kundalini > though I agree > that there are certain " seed elements " to use your > analogy, that do > tend to manifest for almost everyone I have > encountered inside the > process. These elements guide us through the process > by allowing us > a reference for comparison. > > Betsy: References can be handy. > > Chrism: These symptoms will present and yet the way > a person processes them > and how they are able to experience the expression > of these > phenomena will vary in my experience. We all come to > the Kundalini > potluck with different dishes! But it is the same > potluck so your > Seed analogy also holds! > > Betsy: I agree, because the personality is the > experiencer and unique, > therefore everyone will experience it differently. > > Chrism: Not all Kundalini people experience all the > phenomena another will > experience yet they are still inside the process. > > Betsy: Who is the authority to say what are > authentic phenomena? Because > all the phenomena are being reported by personal > viewpoints this doesn't > produce a database of references. If one could hook > up a medical instrument > and detect brain and nervous system changes, etc., > as they occurred, then the > personal interpretation wouldn't have so much > weight and then there might > be the possibility to establish something more > concrete. All people are growing > in awareness, and all are doing so at their own > pace which has to do with their > history. This I can agree with. I can also agree > with that because the personality > is the problem and pretending is a way that the > personality survives, then we > can know that in k. awakening like all other things, > there will be pretenders and > parroters. I am not putting anyone down with this > statement, > I just think it's better we know the truth about the > matter. > > Chrism: Though I do agree with your oak tree analogy > - nice! I have found > that we evolve inside the Kundalini expression > individually. We > bring individual Karmic influence and experience to > the table and > though the propensity for the action of the > Kundalini may be there > in seed form, its expression may not need to be the > same as > another's expression. Hence the difference. > > Betsy: I only wish I would have said acorn inside of > oak seek. > I would like to sit in on the party of newly hatched > butterflies to hear > their stories of how it was for them to grow from a > worm into a butterfly. > For sure they each had their own history as a worm > and experience of the > growing, some coming earlier, some later, some > having much difficulty, > some little difficulty, etc. Yet in the end they > all became butterflies. > > Chrism: As far as the dental reconstitution, this is > a known phenomenon > though not tightly associated with the Kundalini in > the way of the > infusion upon the body but an aspect of regeneration > that Kundalini > can help to induce. > > Betsy: I don't know what you mean by known > phenomenon. > Where is it known? Searching the internet there are > very few > cases of individuals growing a 3rd set of teeth. > > Chrism: Spinal injury, fractured bones, disease, > dental imbalances, cancer > do remain phenomena that can experience change with > the specific > expression of the Kundalini in conjunction with the > " High Self " > imho. This cannot be " proven " scientifically as the > idea of a " High > Self " isn't available for many in the west at this > time. But there > are some on this list who have experienced change > because of it. > > Betsy: I can testify from my experience that > everything in my body is being > rebuilt, including much of what you have above, at > this point it seems to be > working on perfecting the skeletal frame and > cranium, all that which > connects directly to the central nervous system. I > see the bones as the > deepest tissue and that which carries the maximum > amount of energy > through the body, so it makes perfect sense to me > that the skeleton needs > to straighten out all over, and as the body is one > whole, this includes all > the bones of the skull. Thus all sutures in sacrum, > pelvis and cranium will > separate, open, be stretched and finally fully > articulate with the attached > tissue (ligaments, tendons and muscles). A very new > experience for me, > to feel like one is in an elastic body, freely able > to pull and stretch bones > to new positions. Of course this took many months of > nervous system > changes before this was the state of my body. > > Chrism: All I can say is what I have experienced > with regards to dental > redaction. My teeth have had a challenging > existence! Yet they are > still there and when I eat or smile it isn't as bad > as I perhaps > make it sound. > > Chrism: The phenomena in dreams of having the teeth > fall out is also > indicative of having your life completely changed. > Nothing of the > old remains. As the child looses his/her teeth and > others come in to > replace them, perhaps your new teeth are on the way. > And in this > case the teeth may or may not be needed. Certainly > from a Kundalini > stand point there are other ways of communicating > and taking in > nourishment. - just my take - blessings and welcome > - chrism > > Betsy: The first signs I had in the teeth I thought > new ones were growing in, > there was a buzzing, or turning energy going around > each tooth and they felt > a little loose after when I wiggled on them, but > later they reset. This phenomena > repeated many more times then later I found out what > it was. It was loosening > the ligaments around the teeth, preparing for > stretching of the mandible and > maxillae. Later with jaw stretches, I felt a rubber > band like feeling inside > my mouth and it felt like a tooth flew out of my > mouth. I even looked around > on the ground, but no tooth, nothing missing. This > phenomena then of > 'rubber band tooth snap' happened more frequently > and then eventually to e > very tooth at once. This continued to increase until > there happened the > movement of the maxillae and mandible bones (after > suture opening and > loosening and much popping of other skull bones). I > don't feel any snapping > today, rather in this area of the teeth ligaments it > feels like rubber bands, > but that they stretch long, and don't snap, more > like having a mouth full of > bands connecting the lower and upper parts of the > inside of the mouth. > This was a few weeks ago, now this sensation is gone > as the skull articulation > grows closer to completion. I know this is probably > too much for this list, > but sometimes I just feel the need to express > myself. thanks for the space. > > namaste, > Betsy > ______________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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