Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Chrism: Well Betsy you have answered your own question Betsy: You might tell me more clear: You see what you want to see. Chrism: but Betsy: 'But' is a very interesting word... Chrism: the way I see it Betsy: Aha, something i wrote you disagree with so you feel the need to express what it is... Chrism: is as a series of stages or phases that all the bodys go through. Physical, mental, emotional, ego, spiritual, to name some of them. They all get transformed imho. Betsy: This is so strange, why does this kind of statement come up? It has nothing to do with what I posted or wrote about. Nothing I wrote made any claim about awakening = k. transformation being only about a physical step. Did anybody ask me about my past history? No, there were no questions. The following article summarizes the steps I've taken: http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm I ask myself why does this kind of response come to me? Is it because the physical symtpoms I'm experiencing are just so strange to people that they can't accept them? I wonder how come from my last post there is not one single question about what I wrote about my personal experience. It is like what I write is invisible. Chrism: This takes time. Betsy: yes, it takes time. I've meditated approx. 13,000 hours in the last 15 years and in the last 18 months I've used ~5,000 hours of time for the physical part of this process. So this works out to approximately two years (24/24). Two years of my life for this, not so much. Chrism: Sometimes longer sometimes shorter depends on the person, Betsy: hmmm, where did i hear that before? Chrism: and the doors that are opened because of this tranformsation I also consider part of the process. Betsy: when you take a step in your awareness, then all that you perceive changes. When you change all changes. Each step of your awareness you take (and there are quite a few of them), then you see things you didn't know were there before. People can't see beyond the step of awareness that they've completed. So you might have heard things like only a master can detect a master, etc. This refers to that idea. Chrism: You seem to have a solid idea Betsy: solid like a brick? Chrism: and opinion about what is occurring Betsy: Opinions matter little. chrism: with you and so I congratulate you for that. Betsy: you are congratulating me for my pig-headed-ness? chrism: It is hard work I understand that Betsy: I'm sure you don't have any inkling about what has been my experience. From what I see so far, we don't overlap much. If one doesn't have the same experience it's impossible to compare and relate to them. Please... no arguments about this isn't what I meant, I was only being understanding, etc... Chrism: but Betsy: Uh Oh, another but coming Chrism: as you have got it, it also has you as well and Betsy: It doesn't have me as well. Ask a question and understand what I'm going through before you start making your interpretations. Please. Chrism: when you begin to have some balance inside of your process it gets easier. From my experience anyway. Betsy: Balance inside of your process? Oh My. This is too much! I have no idea what to say to this, except I'm not interested in these kinds of exchanges. They take too much energy always having to clear everything up. The energy picks up quite strong in the last few days, so I end this exchange for now and turn off the pc until the energy settles again. Bye for now, Betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I hesitate to respond to this but feel compelled nonetheless... > I ask myself why does this kind of response come to me? > Is it because the physical symtpoms I'm experiencing are just > so strange to people that they can't accept them? I wonder > how come from my last post there is not one single question > about what I wrote about my personal experience. It is like > what I write is invisible. I thought his entire response was well-written and made perfect sense. Some things are quite clear without questioning. Your responses are so adversarial... Why find fault with nearly everything presented, when each experience is unique? Is it so important to be *right*? Sometimes the forest is missed for all the trees... imho... love & light ~Jen~ , " betsy " <ystebanar wrote: > > Chrism: Well Betsy you have answered your own question > Betsy: You might tell me more clear: > You see what you want to see. > > Chrism: but > Betsy: 'But' is a very interesting word... > > Chrism: the way I see it > Betsy: Aha, something i wrote you disagree with so > you feel the need to express what it is... > > Chrism: is as a series of stages or phases that all the bodys > go through. Physical, mental, emotional, ego, spiritual, to name > some of them. They all get transformed imho. > > Betsy: This is so strange, why does this kind of statement come up? > It has nothing to do with what I posted or wrote about. > Nothing I wrote made any claim about awakening = k. > transformation being only about a physical step. Did anybody > ask me about my past history? No, there were no questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Hello Betsy, Wow. Kind of a volatile response. You seem to be hunting for disagreement. You are at a stage that I have not written too much about as when people practice the safeties they can immediately see that an infusion of the lower chakras can bring about an ego/emotional response of massive proportions. I was there too so I am not innocent of this. It is a common trait for those who activate alone and without guidance or help. Doesnt happen for all though. This may seem harsh to you and I apologize for that if it is that way for you. At this stage, for you, I can do no right action so with that being said - Take a look at how you are responding. Is there is any balance with in you that can afford you a clearer view than what you " want " to see from the platform of your desires? Your desire to be right. Your desire to be noticed for the " approx. 13,000 hours in > the last 15 years and in the last 18 months the ~5,000 > hours of time " of your experience. The frustration you feel at not being recognized for the major accomplishments that you seem to feel are " the way " it is for all of us. Your wish to be recognized as a teacher for those who would read you. And you are a teacher but perhaps without the accolades. I am sure those will come in time. We all are teachers. If you disagree so strongly " why " did you even respond? To get even? To set the record straight? To make clear your obvious superiority? Or just to " have a last word " . All indicative of the emotional and egoic body situation. Adversarial is a correct observation. Well you are all of these things then. I congratulate you on all of your achievements. - really! All Kundalini activations are such rare gifts and are precious in our society so I wish you much joy as you continue on your path. With an infusion or an activation can come a swelling of the ego natures as much as a swelling of the kidneys or the flaring of the nostrils it is a natural symptom. It is also a symptom of an unbalanced emotional body. Not a bad thing. Just often part of the process when activating alone. Not always, but sometimes. This is another reason " for " the emotional balancing. A person activating can estrange themselves from everyone around him or her by virtue of this trait of an activation. To the person inside of it, it can feel as if " they " are " just not getting it! " And so the heart will determine that " they " need to be taught " how it is " and so it gets taught to everyone whether they want to hear it or not. Sometimes the delivery can become caustic as " they " continue to not " get it " . It can often become a paranoia if they, the one with the Kundalini, are not accepted for their massive amount of knowledge. Often the information is good though and the experiences are valid (but) the delivery and the lack of acceptance of " others " experience can pretty much help anyone who has been there " remember " being there with some embarrassment. So it is best to forgive and respond - lightly - which can often just infuriate the activating person more because they do not think or feel they are being taken seriously, which may be what is occurring here with you Betsy. I do not claim to be a master or your master Betsy. Its ok. I am no one special. Ask anyone here. Though by your words and how you use them you already see this with severe clarity. It is a good lesson you teach Betsy. And it is much appreciated. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Hi Betsy, I've noticed that some people may experience a few bumps when entering this Group. It may be a higher Vibe than what most are used to with the combination of the beautiful energies of the Members. It can be somewhat uncomfortable at first until you have a chance to get acclimated. There is deep love here, and awesome support in the Journey. When things come up its a chance to balance, to grow, to surrender to the Highest within. I have found Chrism's humility to be a great freedom because he doesn't display any authority trappings, though I KNOW he sees and knows a great deal more than I can even imagine. He puts it out there for us to take, and use however we can. I don't think you can bump egos with him, but you may find yourself looking into a mirror and meeting yourself through projections. This is really a beautiful place to be, and we are usually kind and respectful of each other. If that is something you may secretly long for, then you'll be very happy here. I hope that is the case. Warm hugs. Love, dhyana --- betsy <ystebanar wrote: > Chrism: Well Betsy you have answered your own > question > Betsy: You might tell me more clear: > You see what you want to see. > > Chrism: but > Betsy: 'But' is a very interesting word... > > Chrism: the way I see it > Betsy: Aha, something i wrote you disagree with so > you feel the need to express what it is... > > Chrism: is as a series of stages or phases that all > the bodys > go through. Physical, mental, emotional, ego, > spiritual, to name > some of them. They all get transformed imho. > > Betsy: This is so strange, why does this kind of > statement come up? > It has nothing to do with what I posted or wrote > about. > Nothing I wrote made any claim about awakening = k. > transformation being only about a physical step. Did > anybody > ask me about my past history? No, there were no > questions. > The following article summarizes the steps I've > taken: > http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm > > I ask myself why does this kind of response come to > me? > Is it because the physical symtpoms I'm experiencing > are just > so strange to people that they can't accept them? I > wonder > how come from my last post there is not one single > question > about what I wrote about my personal experience. It > is like > what I write is invisible. > > Chrism: This takes time. > Betsy: yes, it takes time. I've meditated approx. > 13,000 hours in > the last 15 years and in the last 18 months I've > used ~5,000 > hours of time for the physical part of this process. > So this works out > to approximately two years (24/24). Two years of my > life for this, not > so much. > > Chrism: Sometimes longer sometimes shorter depends > on the person, > Betsy: hmmm, where did i hear that before? > > Chrism: and the doors that are opened because of > this tranformsation > I also consider part of the process. > > Betsy: when you take a step in your awareness, then > all that you > perceive changes. When you change all changes. Each > step of > your awareness you take (and there are quite a few > of them), > then you see things you didn't know were there > before. People > can't see beyond the step of awareness that they've > completed. > So you might have heard things like only a master > can > detect a master, etc. This refers to that idea. > > Chrism: You seem to have a solid idea > Betsy: solid like a brick? > > Chrism: and opinion about what is occurring > Betsy: Opinions matter little. > > chrism: with you and so I congratulate you for that. > > Betsy: you are congratulating me for my > pig-headed-ness? > > chrism: It is hard work I understand that > Betsy: I'm sure you don't have any inkling about > what > has been my experience. From what I see so far, we > don't overlap much. If one doesn't have the same > experience it's impossible to compare and relate to > them. > Please... no arguments about this isn't what I > meant, I > was only being understanding, etc... > > Chrism: but > Betsy: Uh Oh, another but coming > > Chrism: as you have got it, it also has you as well > and > Betsy: It doesn't have me as well. Ask a question > and understand what I'm going through before you > start making your interpretations. Please. > > Chrism: when you begin to have some balance > inside of your process it gets > easier. From my experience anyway. > > Betsy: Balance inside of your process? > Oh My. This is too much! I have no idea > what to say to this, except I'm not interested > in these kinds of exchanges. They take too > much energy always having to clear everything > up. The energy picks up quite strong in the last > few days, so I end this exchange for now and > turn off the pc until the energy settles again. > > Bye for now, > Betsy > ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545433 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Chrism wrote: Hello Betsy, Wow. Kind of a volatile response. You seem to be hunting for disagreement. Hi Chrism. No that was not my intention. I'm sorry you saw it that way, yet I expected that you might not like that post. From my point of view I was reflecting back to what you were expressing, seeing as how I could not see anything in your previous reply that was on-topic for me. I prefer to respond to the essence of the post, and for me that was what I did. I'm sorry the post was perceived as volatile, instead of creative. Nothing to do about it. Betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Hummmm....did not see anything that indicated that did not like the post. Hummm.... Sherri -- The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert Einstein -------------- Original message -------------- " betsy " <ystebanar Chrism wrote: Hello Betsy, Wow. Kind of a volatile response. You seem to be hunting for disagreement. Hi Chrism. No that was not my intention. I'm sorry you saw it that way, yet I expected that you might not like that post. From my point of view I was reflecting back to what you were expressing, seeing as how I could not see anything in your previous reply that was on-topic for me. I prefer to respond to the essence of the post, and for me that was what I did. I'm sorry the post was perceived as volatile, instead of creative. Nothing to do about it. Betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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