Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Some people come to groups for help. Some come to prove how much they know and possibly ridicle others. I came to this group for help in understanding some things. I got it and some wonderful fringe benefits! I do not agree or believe 100% what everyone here believes, that would be impossible. When I don't-- I may further question what I hear in a civil and loving way. If I still don't understand---or even totally disagree--- I feel I have done all that I could do in a constructive manner. Then I remain silent. To argue would serve no good purpose. It certainly doesn't aid in my obtaining knowedge, or anyone else! I wish for it all that have a problem controlling the 'Little Demon' sometimes called 'ego'--- I wish you Peace, Bliss and Total Awakening. You are in the hard part of the process when Ego overtakes you, but when you drop it, the Bliss is soooo much sweeter! Believe me, I know! Many Blessings to All of My Brothers and Sisters! :) Stephen , Leshya <pleiades69 wrote: > > I literally got drained reading your comments Betsy. I sure hope you > find peace and love, > as I read only resentment and anger in this reply. Blessings to you > Betsy and I hope only > the best for you. > Lisa > > betsy wrote: > > > > Chrism: Well Betsy you have answered your own question > > Betsy: You might tell me more clear: > > You see what you want to see. > > > > Chrism: but > > Betsy: 'But' is a very interesting word... > > > > Chrism: the way I see it > > Betsy: Aha, something i wrote you disagree with so > > you feel the need to express what it is... > > > > Chrism: is as a series of stages or phases that all the bodys > > go through. Physical, mental, emotional, ego, spiritual, to name > > some of them. They all get transformed imho. > > > > Betsy: This is so strange, why does this kind of statement come up? > > It has nothing to do with what I posted or wrote about. > > Nothing I wrote made any claim about awakening = k. > > transformation being only about a physical step. Did anybody > > ask me about my past history? No, there were no questions. > > The following article summarizes the steps I've taken: > > http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm > > <http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm> > > > > I ask myself why does this kind of response come to me? > > Is it because the physical symtpoms I'm experiencing are just > > so strange to people that they can't accept them? I wonder > > how come from my last post there is not one single question > > about what I wrote about my personal experience. It is like > > what I write is invisible. > > > > Chrism: This takes time. > > Betsy: yes, it takes time. I've meditated approx. 13,000 hours in > > the last 15 years and in the last 18 months I've used ~5,000 > > hours of time for the physical part of this process. So this works out > > to approximately two years (24/24). Two years of my life for this, not > > so much. > > > > Chrism: Sometimes longer sometimes shorter depends on the person, > > Betsy: hmmm, where did i hear that before? > > > > Chrism: and the doors that are opened because of this tranformsation > > I also consider part of the process. > > > > Betsy: when you take a step in your awareness, then all that you > > perceive changes. When you change all changes. Each step of > > your awareness you take (and there are quite a few of them), > > then you see things you didn't know were there before. People > > can't see beyond the step of awareness that they've completed. > > So you might have heard things like only a master can > > detect a master, etc. This refers to that idea. > > > > Chrism: You seem to have a solid idea > > Betsy: solid like a brick? > > > > Chrism: and opinion about what is occurring > > Betsy: Opinions matter little. > > > > chrism: with you and so I congratulate you for that. > > Betsy: you are congratulating me for my pig-headed-ness? > > > > chrism: It is hard work I understand that > > Betsy: I'm sure you don't have any inkling about what > > has been my experience. From what I see so far, we > > don't overlap much. If one doesn't have the same > > experience it's impossible to compare and relate to them. > > Please... no arguments about this isn't what I meant, I > > was only being understanding, etc... > > > > Chrism: but > > Betsy: Uh Oh, another but coming > > > > Chrism: as you have got it, it also has you as well and > > Betsy: It doesn't have me as well. Ask a question > > and understand what I'm going through before you > > start making your interpretations. Please. > > > > Chrism: when you begin to have some balance > > inside of your process it gets > > easier. From my experience anyway. > > > > Betsy: Balance inside of your process? > > Oh My. This is too much! I have no idea > > what to say to this, except I'm not interested > > in these kinds of exchanges. They take too > > much energy always having to clear everything > > up. The energy picks up quite strong in the last > > few days, so I end this exchange for now and > > turn off the pc until the energy settles again. > > > > Bye for now, > > Betsy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 HI... it's my feeling that YOU CAN'T KNOW IT. (but maybe IT can know you.) love, -steve f , " Stephen AKA Master Condrey " <stephencondrey wrote: > > Some people come to groups for help. > Some come to prove how much they know and possibly ridicle others. > > I came to this group for help in understanding some things. > I got it and some wonderful fringe benefits! > > I do not agree or believe 100% what everyone here believes, that > would be impossible. > > When I don't-- I may further question what I hear in a civil and > loving way. If I still don't understand---or even totally disagree--- > I feel I have done all that I could do in a constructive manner. > Then I remain silent. To argue would serve no good purpose. > It certainly doesn't aid in my obtaining knowedge, or anyone else! > > I wish for it all that have a problem controlling the 'Little Demon' > sometimes called 'ego'--- > > I wish you Peace, Bliss and Total Awakening. > > You are in the hard part of the process when Ego overtakes you, > but when you drop it, the Bliss is soooo much sweeter! > > Believe me, I know! > Many Blessings to All of My > Brothers and Sisters! > :) > Stephen > > > > > > , Leshya > <pleiades69@> wrote: > > > > I literally got drained reading your comments Betsy. I sure hope > you > > find peace and love, > > as I read only resentment and anger in this reply. Blessings to > you > > Betsy and I hope only > > the best for you. > > Lisa > > > > betsy wrote: > > > > > > Chrism: Well Betsy you have answered your own question > > > Betsy: You might tell me more clear: > > > You see what you want to see. > > > > > > Chrism: but > > > Betsy: 'But' is a very interesting word... > > > > > > Chrism: the way I see it > > > Betsy: Aha, something i wrote you disagree with so > > > you feel the need to express what it is... > > > > > > Chrism: is as a series of stages or phases that all the bodys > > > go through. Physical, mental, emotional, ego, spiritual, to name > > > some of them. They all get transformed imho. > > > > > > Betsy: This is so strange, why does this kind of statement come > up? > > > It has nothing to do with what I posted or wrote about. > > > Nothing I wrote made any claim about awakening = k. > > > transformation being only about a physical step. Did anybody > > > ask me about my past history? No, there were no questions. > > > The following article summarizes the steps I've taken: > > > http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm > > > <http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm> > > > > > > I ask myself why does this kind of response come to me? > > > Is it because the physical symtpoms I'm experiencing are just > > > so strange to people that they can't accept them? I wonder > > > how come from my last post there is not one single question > > > about what I wrote about my personal experience. It is like > > > what I write is invisible. > > > > > > Chrism: This takes time. > > > Betsy: yes, it takes time. I've meditated approx. 13,000 hours in > > > the last 15 years and in the last 18 months I've used ~5,000 > > > hours of time for the physical part of this process. So this > works out > > > to approximately two years (24/24). Two years of my life for > this, not > > > so much. > > > > > > Chrism: Sometimes longer sometimes shorter depends on the person, > > > Betsy: hmmm, where did i hear that before? > > > > > > Chrism: and the doors that are opened because of this > tranformsation > > > I also consider part of the process. > > > > > > Betsy: when you take a step in your awareness, then all that you > > > perceive changes. When you change all changes. Each step of > > > your awareness you take (and there are quite a few of them), > > > then you see things you didn't know were there before. People > > > can't see beyond the step of awareness that they've completed. > > > So you might have heard things like only a master can > > > detect a master, etc. This refers to that idea. > > > > > > Chrism: You seem to have a solid idea > > > Betsy: solid like a brick? > > > > > > Chrism: and opinion about what is occurring > > > Betsy: Opinions matter little. > > > > > > chrism: with you and so I congratulate you for that. > > > Betsy: you are congratulating me for my pig-headed-ness? > > > > > > chrism: It is hard work I understand that > > > Betsy: I'm sure you don't have any inkling about what > > > has been my experience. From what I see so far, we > > > don't overlap much. If one doesn't have the same > > > experience it's impossible to compare and relate to them. > > > Please... no arguments about this isn't what I meant, I > > > was only being understanding, etc... > > > > > > Chrism: but > > > Betsy: Uh Oh, another but coming > > > > > > Chrism: as you have got it, it also has you as well and > > > Betsy: It doesn't have me as well. Ask a question > > > and understand what I'm going through before you > > > start making your interpretations. Please. > > > > > > Chrism: when you begin to have some balance > > > inside of your process it gets > > > easier. From my experience anyway. > > > > > > Betsy: Balance inside of your process? > > > Oh My. This is too much! I have no idea > > > what to say to this, except I'm not interested > > > in these kinds of exchanges. They take too > > > much energy always having to clear everything > > > up. The energy picks up quite strong in the last > > > few days, so I end this exchange for now and > > > turn off the pc until the energy settles again. > > > > > > Bye for now, > > > Betsy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I believe it is exceedingly revealing and illuminating to pay heed and understand first and foremost that any statement/judgment/appraisal/perception relating to others is always a projection of issues that require attention within ones own journey. This is ALWAYS true whereas ones projections may or may not be. Everything and everyone everywhere is exactly as it should be - progressing perfectly within their respective scenarios. So there is absolutely no value in becoming angry/uptight about a perceived annoyance. Everything one perceives externally is moving along fine - don't get caught up in projections created by the grosser elements of an unconditioned ego. Rather, as part of this perfect nature of the universe one should seize the opportunity when another's actions or comments impact our emotions - and seek within for the source of this heightened passion. Ultimately it all needs to be addressed - it is our purpose - self-realization. Jung said, " Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves " , and this notion ties in with not only his entire body of psychology work but also the majority of spiritually inspired philosophy. It all comes back to the conditioning of the ego to provide a clearer more concise view allowing paradoxically simpler/obvious yet more advanced concepts/truths to reveal themselves. love to you all, glen o. , " Stephen AKA Master Condrey " <stephencondrey wrote: > > Some people come to groups for help. > Some come to prove how much they know and possibly ridicule others. > > I came to this group for help in understanding some things. > I got it and some wonderful fringe benefits! > > I do not agree or believe 100% what everyone here believes, that > would be impossible. > > When I don't-- I may further question what I hear in a civil and > loving way. If I still don't understand---or even totally disagree--- > I feel I have done all that I could do in a constructive manner. > Then I remain silent. To argue would serve no good purpose. > It certainly doesn't aid in my obtaining knowedge, or anyone else! > > I wish for it all that have a problem controlling the 'Little Demon' > sometimes called 'ego'--- > > I wish you Peace, Bliss and Total Awakening. > > You are in the hard part of the process when Ego overtakes you, > but when you drop it, the Bliss is soooo much sweeter! > > Believe me, I know! > Many Blessings to All of My > Brothers and Sisters! > :) > Stephen > > > > > > , Leshya > <pleiades69@> wrote: > > > > I literally got drained reading your comments Betsy. I sure hope > you > > find peace and love, > > as I read only resentment and anger in this reply. Blessings to > you > > Betsy and I hope only > > the best for you. > > Lisa > > > > betsy wrote: > > > > > > Chrism: Well Betsy you have answered your own question > > > Betsy: You might tell me more clear: > > > You see what you want to see. > > > > > > Chrism: but > > > Betsy: 'But' is a very interesting word... > > > > > > Chrism: the way I see it > > > Betsy: Aha, something i wrote you disagree with so > > > you feel the need to express what it is... > > > > > > Chrism: is as a series of stages or phases that all the bodys > > > go through. Physical, mental, emotional, ego, spiritual, to name > > > some of them. They all get transformed imho. > > > > > > Betsy: This is so strange, why does this kind of statement come > up? > > > It has nothing to do with what I posted or wrote about. > > > Nothing I wrote made any claim about awakening = k. > > > transformation being only about a physical step. Did anybody > > > ask me about my past history? No, there were no questions. > > > The following article summarizes the steps I've taken: > > > http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm > > > <http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm> > > > > > > I ask myself why does this kind of response come to me? > > > Is it because the physical symtpoms I'm experiencing are just > > > so strange to people that they can't accept them? I wonder > > > how come from my last post there is not one single question > > > about what I wrote about my personal experience. It is like > > > what I write is invisible. > > > > > > Chrism: This takes time. > > > Betsy: yes, it takes time. I've meditated approx. 13,000 hours in > > > the last 15 years and in the last 18 months I've used ~5,000 > > > hours of time for the physical part of this process. So this > works out > > > to approximately two years (24/24). Two years of my life for > this, not > > > so much. > > > > > > Chrism: Sometimes longer sometimes shorter depends on the person, > > > Betsy: hmmm, where did i hear that before? > > > > > > Chrism: and the doors that are opened because of this > tranformsation > > > I also consider part of the process. > > > > > > Betsy: when you take a step in your awareness, then all that you > > > perceive changes. When you change all changes. Each step of > > > your awareness you take (and there are quite a few of them), > > > then you see things you didn't know were there before. People > > > can't see beyond the step of awareness that they've completed. > > > So you might have heard things like only a master can > > > detect a master, etc. This refers to that idea. > > > > > > Chrism: You seem to have a solid idea > > > Betsy: solid like a brick? > > > > > > Chrism: and opinion about what is occurring > > > Betsy: Opinions matter little. > > > > > > chrism: with you and so I congratulate you for that. > > > Betsy: you are congratulating me for my pig-headed-ness? > > > > > > chrism: It is hard work I understand that > > > Betsy: I'm sure you don't have any inkling about what > > > has been my experience. From what I see so far, we > > > don't overlap much. If one doesn't have the same > > > experience it's impossible to compare and relate to them. > > > Please... no arguments about this isn't what I meant, I > > > was only being understanding, etc... > > > > > > Chrism: but > > > Betsy: Uh Oh, another but coming > > > > > > Chrism: as you have got it, it also has you as well and > > > Betsy: It doesn't have me as well. Ask a question > > > and understand what I'm going through before you > > > start making your interpretations. Please. > > > > > > Chrism: when you begin to have some balance > > > inside of your process it gets > > > easier. From my experience anyway. > > > > > > Betsy: Balance inside of your process? > > > Oh My. This is too much! I have no idea > > > what to say to this, except I'm not interested > > > in these kinds of exchanges. They take too > > > much energy always having to clear everything > > > up. The energy picks up quite strong in the last > > > few days, so I end this exchange for now and > > > turn off the pc until the energy settles again. > > > > > > Bye for now, > > > Betsy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Thanks for reminding us all, yet again, of this simple yet very profound truth. I totally agree. In gratefulness, Sherri -- The high destiny of the individual is to serve rather than rule-Albert Einstein -------------- Original message -------------- " Glen Olah " <gleno I believe it is exceedingly revealing and illuminating to pay heed and understand first and foremost that any statement/judgment/appraisal/perception relating to others is always a projection of issues that require attention within ones own journey. This is ALWAYS true whereas ones projections may or may not be. Everything and everyone everywhere is exactly as it should be - progressing perfectly within their respective scenarios. So there is absolutely no value in becoming angry/uptight about a perceived annoyance. Everything one perceives externally is moving along fine - don't get caught up in projections created by the grosser elements of an unconditioned ego. Rather, as part of this perfect nature of the universe one should seize the opportunity when another's actions or comments impact our emotions - and seek within for the source of this heightened passion. Ultimately it all needs to be addressed - it is our purpose - self-realization. Jung said, " Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves " , and this notion ties in with not only his entire body of psychology work but also the majority of spiritually inspired philosophy. It all comes back to the conditioning of the ego to provide a clearer more concise view allowing paradoxically simpler/obvious yet more advanced concepts/truths to reveal themselves. love to you all, glen o. , " Stephen AKA Master Condrey " <stephencondrey wrote: > > Some people come to groups for help. > Some come to prove how much they know and possibly ridicule others. > > I came to this group for help in understanding some things. > I got it and some wonderful fringe benefits! > > I do not agree or believe 100% what everyone here believes, that > would be impossible. > > When I don't-- I may further question what I hear in a civil and > loving way. If I still don't understand---or even totally disagree--- > I feel I have done all that I could do in a constructive manner. > Then I remain silent. To argue would serve no good purpose. > It certainly doesn't aid in my obtaining knowedge, or anyone else! > > I wish for it all that have a problem controlling the 'Little Demon' > sometimes called 'ego'--- > > I wish you Peace, Bliss and Total Awakening. > > You are in the hard part of the process when Ego overtakes you, > but when you drop it, the Bliss is soooo much sweeter! > > Believe me, I know! > Many Blessings to All of My > Brothers and Sisters! > :) > Stephen > > > > > > , Leshya > <pleiades69@> wrote: > > > > I literally got drained reading your comments Betsy. I sure hope > you > > find peace and love, > > as I read only resentment and anger in this reply. Blessings to > you > > Betsy and I hope only > > the best for you. > > Lisa > > > > betsy wrote: > > > > > > Chrism: Well Betsy you have answered your own question > > > Betsy: You might tell me more clear: > > > You see what you want to see. > > > > > > Chrism: but > > > Betsy: 'But' is a very interesting word... > > > > > > Chrism: the way I see it > > > Betsy: Aha, something i wrote you disagree with so > > > you feel the need to express what it is... > > > > > > Chrism: is as a series of stages or phases that all the bodys > > > go through. Physical, mental, emotional, ego, spiritual, to name > > > some of them. They all get transformed imho. > > > > > > Betsy: This is so strange, why does this kind of statement come > up? > > > It has nothing to do with what I posted or wrote about. > > > Nothing I wrote made any claim about awakening = k. > > > transformation being only about a physical step. Did anybody > > > ask me about my past history? No, there were no questions. > > > The following article summarizes the steps I've taken: > > > http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm > > > <http://phoenixtools.org/articles/khistory.htm> > > > > > > I ask myself why does this kind of response come to me? > > > Is it because the physical symtpoms I'm experiencing are just > > > so strange to people that they can't accept them? I wonder > > > how come from my last post there is not one single question > > > about what I wrote about my personal experience. It is like > > > what I write is invisible. > > > > > > Chrism: This takes time. > > > Betsy: yes, it takes time. I've meditated approx. 13,000 hours in > > > the last 15 years and in the last 18 months I've used ~5,000 > > > hours of time for the physical part of this process. So this > works out > > > to approximately two years (24/24). Two years of my life for > this, not > > > so much. > > > > > > Chrism: Sometimes longer sometimes shorter depends on the person, > > > Betsy: hmmm, where did i hear that before? > > > > > > Chrism: and the doors that are opened because of this > tranformsation > > > I also consider part of the process. > > > > > > Betsy: when you take a step in your awareness, then all that you > > > perceive changes. When you change all changes. Each step of > > > your awareness you take (and there are quite a few of them), > > > then you see things you didn't know were there before. People > > > can't see beyond the step of awareness that they've completed. > > > So you might have heard things like only a master can > > > detect a master, etc. This refers to that idea. > > > > > > Chrism: You seem to have a solid idea > > > Betsy: solid like a brick? > > > > > > Chrism: and opinion about what is occurring > > > Betsy: Opinions matter little. > > > > > > chrism: with you and so I congratulate you for that. > > > Betsy: you are congratulating me for my pig-headed-ness? > > > > > > chrism: It is hard work I understand that > > > Betsy: I'm sure you don't have any inkling about what > > > has been my experience. From what I see so far, we > > > don't overlap much. If one doesn't have the same > > > experience it's impossible to compare and relate to them. > > > Please... no arguments about this isn't what I meant, I > > > was only being understanding, etc... > > > > > > Chrism: but > > > Betsy: Uh Oh, another but coming > > > > > > Chrism: as you have got it, it also has you as well and > > > Betsy: It doesn't have me as well. Ask a question > > > and understand what I'm going through before you > > > start making your interpretations. Please. > > > > > > Chrism: when you begin to have some balance > > > inside of your process it gets > > > easier. From my experience anyway. > > > > > > Betsy: Balance inside of your process? > > > Oh My. This is too much! I have no idea > > > what to say to this, except I'm not interested > > > in these kinds of exchanges. They take too > > > much energy always having to clear everything > > > up. The energy picks up quite strong in the last > > > few days, so I end this exchange for now and > > > turn off the pc until the energy settles again. > > > > > > Bye for now, > > > Betsy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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