For those who may wish to give Shaktipat - Larry

[Guest guest]

Hello Larry,

Yes I think I understand some of what you are saying

here. I can only say that " for me " I will consider the recipient

first. Not everyone has a blissful primary relationship with the

Kundalini. It can be a struggle for some and that in and of itself

can establish false beliefs about this blessed event.

 

With some care and consideration a person can have the blissful

feelings and understand from the beginning that Kundalini is a

wonderful experience.

 

Permission from an individual is a form of consent and this must be

honored. imho.

 

Fear will happen if the person doesnt know what is occurring. This

is a unique and life changing event and if a person doesnt have at

least a little information they can develop fear. Which can become

magnified and damage the persons first experience with the Kundalini.

 

Just my take on it Larry and I do appreciate yours! - blessings -

chrism

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Larry "

<larry.wyer wrote:

>

> > Please notify " in advance " anyone to whom a Shaktipat is going

to

> be

> > given and receive the intended recipient's permission " first "

> before

> > administering any Shaktipat or transference that could initiate

>

> I have some issues about this. First why say such a thing? True

> it's wrong to send the power or to awaken some one with out their

> permission, but to block or refuse to answer questions and explain

> powers as a fault is also wrong. Plus to bring about fear and

false

> beliefs are equally wrong. This is why many do not go to churches

> with these things that are talk about here, out of fear of being

> rejected from ones peers. This gift is a force or power or what

ever

> titles one wish to give, is within our self's. It's not ours alone

> but belongs to everyone as it lives in all living things and is

the

> true nature of love and is the pure start of our own existence. I

> also have issues about people taking money to but it's theirs to

> bare not mine. There is no need for anyone to experience pain or

> stress. The truth can only come from the highest source and frees

> ones ideas and beliefs and prejudices much as that of a young

child.

> They are for all people who are searching for meaning to

existence,

> purpose in their lives, strength to face the daily struggle to

live

> and endure hardship, sickness, despair, of everyday life.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Larry! Imagine being the unwitting recipient of transferrence

of an energy that you didn't ask for, with it causing you physical

and mental issues that you also didn't ask for. If I may offer my

opinion, I think that is what the concern is here. offers

this group so that anyone who wishes to experience the Kundalini can,

safely, and also offers all of his knowledge for free. There is no

question that will offer assistance to anyone who wants to

experience Kundalini barring them injuring themselves.

 

Chrism is concerned for others, their well being and the preservation

of their free will. Someone who would send energy upon someone

without thought as to what ramifications this might have is just

purely irresponsible imho.

 

Just another view by someone who has benefited richly from Chrism's

high moral standards.

 

Sarita

 

, " Larry "

<larry.wyer wrote:

>

> > Please notify " in advance " anyone to whom a Shaktipat is going

to

> be

> > given and receive the intended recipient's permission " first "

> before

> > administering any Shaktipat or transference that could initiate

>

> I have some issues about this. First why say such a thing? True

> it's wrong to send the power or to awaken some one with out their

> permission, but to block or refuse to answer questions and explain

> powers as a fault is also wrong. Plus to bring about fear and false

> beliefs are equally wrong. This is why many do not go to churches

> with these things that are talk about here, out of fear of being

> rejected from ones peers. This gift is a force or power or what

ever

> titles one wish to give, is within our self's. It's not ours alone

> but belongs to everyone as it lives in all living things and is the

> true nature of love and is the pure start of our own existence. I

> also have issues about people taking money to but it's theirs to

> bare not mine. There is no need for anyone to experience pain or

> stress. The truth can only come from the highest source and frees

> ones ideas and beliefs and prejudices much as that of a young

child.

> They are for all people who are searching for meaning to existence,

> purpose in their lives, strength to face the daily struggle to live

> and endure hardship, sickness, despair, of everyday life.

>

[Guest guest]

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

> Hello Larry! Imagine being the unwitting recipient of transferrence

> of an energy that you didn't ask for, with it causing you physical

> and mental issues that you also didn't ask for.

 

Sarita,

I don't have the issue with the thought. No one should, just blast

the power to someone without then knowing. The issue is this site,

this is the place most people who either have or are becoming part of

the awakening. One has enough questions and concerns about what's

going on. The last thing we need to do is add fear. When we send our

child to school, do we say watch what you learn as it can be bad? Do

we tell the teacher, teach math but not English? We would say bring me

your uncluttered mind, a seeking mind, and I will show the way.

 

Love Larry

[Guest guest]

I see where you are coming from Larry and I don't advocate fear

either. However, there are some people who know what they are

talking about and can back it up and there are those who know enough

to be dangerous. I think if anyone is to help others with a power as

strong as the Kundalini, they should be able to assure that if

something goes wrong they won't say: " Oops! That option is not on my

script! " It's kind of like buying bootleg software - there is no

tech support.

 

Although most who come here are interested in the Kundalini, many of

them are very new (I was a K moron) and can be easily mislead by

someone with their own personal agenda. I also think those who read

the website and all the wonderful articles on it will gain a healthy

respect for the Kundalini, while being able to embrace it.

 

Most of all, I think it is wonderful when we get into these

conversations because it benefits all of us to read different points

of view.

 

Sarita

 

 

, " Larry "

<larry.wyer wrote:

>

> , " Sarita "

> <sarita1969@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Larry! Imagine being the unwitting recipient of

transferrence

> > of an energy that you didn't ask for, with it causing you

physical

> > and mental issues that you also didn't ask for.

>

> Sarita,

> I don't have the issue with the thought. No one should, just blast

> the power to someone without then knowing. The issue is this site,

> this is the place most people who either have or are becoming part

of

> the awakening. One has enough questions and concerns about what's

> going on. The last thing we need to do is add fear. When we send

our

> child to school, do we say watch what you learn as it can be bad?

Do

> we tell the teacher, teach math but not English? We would say bring

me

> your uncluttered mind, a seeking mind, and I will show the way.

>

> Love Larry

>

[Guest guest]

> Most of all, I think it is wonderful when we get into these

> conversations because it benefits all of us to read different points

> of view.

 

Sarita,

I agree with what you are saying. However I like to send a warning

out, let's not advocate fear. I understand there are people, who are

teaching that don't fully understand, but much like Christ and others,

they often had followers who thought they had the right idea but had

not felt the truth. As how can one explain the light unless the person

who getting the information also felt the same? I could tell you I

stood before the Divine Universal Existence and felt the power and

warmth, but can you feel it? Same as all teachers there are good and

bad one's, some have learn what they teach and lived it others never

really felt it. My advise is if it feels wrong stay away, if feels

right then accept it.

With love Larry

[Guest guest]

Fear can be a common part of the experience and I would suggest it

is the most visited part of the experience as most people who

activate do so alone.

 

You are correct ai feel Larry in warning against it's over emphasis.

But to not help a person understand both sides of the equation would

be irresponsible. Fear is an attribute that many will experience for

very good reasons. Please don't get me wrong Larry I am not pushing

it, I am respecting it and what it can do. I am also helping people

avoid certain aspects of it that can do severe harm.

 

If I am robbing them of an opportunity for overcoming a fearful

event I do feel that the opportunity will present itself in another

way if it is to be learned from for that individual. We are here

together and we all play a part in each others life experience.

 

For much too long has fear been associated with the Kundalini I do

agree with you. But to take fear out of the equation in regards to a

persons experience with the Kundalini is to possibly invalidate the

dynamics of that experience.

 

Many come here to this site absolutely terrified. Being attacked

every waking moment. Are we to sit back and say to them " Oh that's

not really bad. That's not fearful. Relax....take a chill pill " To

them it most certainly is fearful yet the key is to help them come

through it in a way that strengthens them.

 

Warning people of certain practices that can induce a fearful event

I feel is warranted as there is already enough fear to experience

with in the Kundalini - it isn't hard to find.

 

I do know where you are coming from my friend and you have a very

important message.

 

" Don't push the fear. "

 

You are right to say this and I support you completely.

 

The context and the dynamic of the levels of experience for everyone

coming into contact with the Kundalini are unique.

 

Yet they can almost be categorized by the type of experience that is

received.

Many immediately go into fear and it is magnified tremendously.

 

Others go into bliss and then fear and a kind of wary confusion can

be felt.

Some go straight into the arms of the dieties that they are most

familiar and or comfortable with and receive a beautiful teaching.

Others go straight into a loving bliss so strong that nothing can

penetrate it.

 

Then there are those who experience the different aspects of all the

qualities at different times. The variations are many but they are

orbiting around very similar themes. For some the theme that needs

to be experienced first is the quality of fear. And please

understand I am talking about those who have activated intentionally

or by means of their own volition.

 

The statement that " if it feels good do it. " I would add that many

short term pleasures can be accompanied by long term discomforts.

 

I suggest a person use diligent discernment. Outside of the pain or

pleasure of an event take an accounting of what is being experienced

and from that make a decision that is based on your feelings of

appropriateness. I have witnessed many experiences that started out

with a goodness that didn't last. This is reflected here in our

mundane lives as well and is the essence of addiction.

 

I feel it comes down to the positive and the negative. The path best

walked imho, is in the middle. Perhaps with a vibrato between the

two areas but always well within reach of the balance.

 

If I am to commit an error by helping folks not become slammed with

the Kundalini and to help them rather take a slower and more careful

approach then I do so for the sake of the experience you have had

Larry. The Loving experience of the " ALL that Is " is the goal I will

hope for them to experience.

 

And what I can do to help them towards that goal is what I will do

and if that means helping them to understand some of the darker

qualities of an awakening then so be it.

 

It is good to read that you Larry understand the qualities of love

in such a way as to do the same thing as I do. Help others to

understand the goodness of the experience and that the fear doesn't

need to be pushed or over emphasized. By doing so, you as well, help

to keep their experiences positive and safe. Recognizing fear doesnt

mean you have to swim it. - my take - chrism

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Larry "

<larry.wyer wrote:

>

> > Most of all, I think it is wonderful when we get into these

> > conversations because it benefits all of us to read different

points

> > of view.

>

> Sarita,

> I agree with what you are saying. However I like to send a

warning

> out, let's not advocate fear. I understand there are people, who

are

> teaching that don't fully understand, but much like Christ and

others,

> they often had followers who thought they had the right idea but

had

> not felt the truth. As how can one explain the light unless the

person

> who getting the information also felt the same? I could tell you I

> stood before the Divine Universal Existence and felt the power and

> warmth, but can you feel it? Same as all teachers there are good

and

> bad one's, some have learn what they teach and lived it others

never

> really felt it. My advise is if it feels wrong stay away, if feels

> right then accept it.

> With love Larry

>

[Guest guest]

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Fear can be a common part of the experience and I would suggest it

> is the most visited part of the experience as most people who

> activate do so alone.

>

> You are correct ai feel Larry in warning against it's over emphasis.

> But to not help a person understand both sides of the equation would

> be irresponsible. Fear is an attribute that many will experience for

> very good reasons.

 

Thank you chrism,

I think we have made our points and My hope is this will help

others on the path. You are right it's a great gift and not always

understood. With love Larry