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Thanks for taking your time to reply to this thread. I am

still

a little confused here somewhat with your replies. Life itself is a

gift from Spirit/God source.

 

@@ Yes all is a gift but gifts come for different reasons and the

experience of density is one of them. Another gift is the

opportunity to be lifted from density. @@

 

The sun is made to shine on the just and

the unjust the same, just for an example. The kundalini itself is a

gift as well is it not? Some have their kundalina awakened

spontaneously by practicing and learning how to have OBEs or through

a

NDE or just from a car accident even. Are you saying these things

would

not happen if the person was not ready?

 

@@ Yes the outer Sun shines on all and this is as it should be as

we have all expressed or are in the process of expressing the

learnings of strife. We all go through this and no judgement is

required for it is a stage of activity that allows us to understand

how to or not to express as we so choose in the physical emotional

and mental

expressions of life.

 

The Kundalini is a gift to be sure, but like the gift of music it

needs to be heard and responded to with in certain parameters of

feeling and frequency.

 

A strictly strife oriented person will have

difficulty with those frequencies. There are qualities and areas of

activation that cannot be accessed by those who do not practice the

activities of the safeties for example. But people are not so simple

in their expressions of life and many layers of strife and

peacefulness will inhabit a single person. This is what Karma is

partially for. To bring into balance the best ways to come into the

enlightening of density. Or the in light in ing of densities.

 

If a person is ready on SOME level then yes I am saying this will

occur. Not all levels of consciousness are known to an individual

though. Like wise if a person is not ready on any level then it is

doubtful the Kundalini will come.

It is a birthright, a heritage for all people though. And if they or

anyone can make the leap into activities that promote is activation

then anyone will be rewarded with its raising. @@

 

 

 

Those who are still in the

self serve mode can still have a kundalini activation. Right?

 

@@ To a degree but the Kundalini will change them. This can be an

unhealthy place to be and much harm can come to an individual in

this condition@@

 

Isn't it

these types is what created the black brotherhood or lodge or

whatever

it is called. Or are these negative self serving activations

considered

kundabuffer, and are not kundalini at all?

 

 

@@ Ah yes the Gnostic terminologies. One doesnt have to be K active

to create strife and disharmony. There are aspects of polarity that

honor the dark and the light. Tjhe bad people are reincarnated good

people inside different circumstances. Kundalini will come but if it

is for strife only a certain quality of the energy will express. It

is like the Indonesian " Margaluyu " This is a type of Kundalini used

for warfare. People try and dominate eachother with it.

It will not typically enlighten a person as it isnt being attenuated

in that manner. What we do on KAS1 is reach for the ascention

factors. We reach for the highest aspects of the enlightenment and

follow that guidance. If a strife oriented person comes there they

either change or leave as it either will or will not resonate for

them. @@

 

 

Some seek activation solely

for the purpose of self power and or to serve santanic

cults/illuminati

aggendas. I place the ability to have an OBE as the same as learning

to play the piano. It is something that can be learned. It is the

same

with Kundalini, isn't it? Like a person can follow this mantra or

certain breathing techniques or yoga exercises or pay for a shatipat

from some guru or just have it given and this causes their kundalini

to

activate.

 

@@ To some degree yes. If the specific frequencies are given or sold

or met in some way the Kundalini can be aroused. There are different

levels of Kundalini though. And a body still needs to be able to

hold that charge. And function as that charge brings experiences far

and away from the norm. @@

 

In that documentary all of those messiahs were most likely K

awakened,

even Jesus. The only thing different in them and Jesus that I could

see

is that Jesus had the Holy Spirit bestowed upon him. The other

messiahs

had learned the art of healing and doing other types of miracles,

which

anyone can learn if they have enough desire to do so and can acquire

the knowledge. He recieved the Holy Spirit after being tempted for

40

days and nights to do his own will, but he was able to over come

that

temptation and surrendered to only doing his Father's will(the God

source). The Holy Spirit isn't an " art gift " so to speak that can be

learned. It is a gift that is given as one surrenders their will to

doing God's will. This gift empowers them to be in service to

others,

doing God's will only. It cannot be used for any other purpose.

 

@@ Quanitifying Kundalini as an " art gift " is not the way I would

approach this. You are not incorporating the divine functions and

the divine connectivities into your equation. The DIVINE is a major

aspect of the Kundalini. Many see the Christ standing before them

even those who are not familiar with his appearance. I do not agree

that healing or astral projection or Kundalini are " art gifts "

simply because they can be attained by mortal humanity. Niether do I

follow the competition of Kundalini against or versus the Holy

Spirit. Kundalini can bring the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can

bring the Kundalini. In my experienc they are very closely

connected.

 

Bible stories are not historical fact. Unless a person chooses them

to be.

 

The Christ and the Oneness (God) or any other deity is there for all

whether they read the bible or any sacred writings of any culture or

attend church or are morally decrepit or not. So is the Kundalini.

Is the Chrisian God an " art gift " because one must be able to read

the Bible and aquire a form of literacy in order to understand the

words written there in? I do not feel this is the case. Because an

activity can be learned does not make it any less or more sacred

that those that come for the surrendering or the asking. imho @@

 

I am one of those who did not actively seek to have an OBE or have

the

Kundalini to activate or at least not consciously. Maybe was a pre-

life

plan. As Holly put it, a destiny I created for myself. Sigh! I guess

I

am just hashing and rehashing things to have more of an

understnading

of it all. No way do I feel like the Kundalni or OBEs are a curse,

like

most christian I know would think. At last I am for sure about that.

Those christian friends I once knew think I am backslidden because I

do

not attend church any longer. If they knew me now they would think I

was possessed. Especially the barking gutteral primitive sounds I

make

sometimes. I don't feel like I am possessed. LOL! One would know if

they were, wouldn't they?

 

@@ Yes. @@

 

Thank you again Chrism, for helping my understanding of some of that.

I guess I may be trying to understand some things that are above the

level where I am not yet. Thanks for explaining about the different

types of K at different levels, that was very helpful for me.

 

I do not see the bible as a historial book, even though it may have

some historical facts within it. I see it as more a book of prophecy,

with hidden messages within the stories. There is even a verse in the

bible itself that states that the stories are allegorical.

 

 

@@@@@@Quanitifying Kundalini as an " art gift " is not the way I would

approach this. You are not incorporating the divine functions and

the divine connectivities into your equation. The DIVINE is a major

aspect of the Kundalini. Many see the Christ standing before them.

Even those who are not familiar with his appearance. Other deities as

well.@@@@@@

 

 

I hope I did not affend by using " art gift " to get what I was wanting

to say across.

I do understand this, just like some people are " gifted " with being

able to play a piano and others have to go through much practice to

become semi-piano players. LOL! If the Divine is not in there, then

it would become more a sounding gong, so to speak.

 

 

I did not grow up within a christian family, but we did have many

christian neighbors who influenced us or at least tried to. LOL! My

husband who claims to be an atheist (even though brought up in a

strict christian family) lives by more christian principles than what

I did. Not meaning I was a bad person, just more a nature child, I

guess you could say. Along the way, I was gifted with the appearance

of the Christ who entered into my life and taught me personally. It

was only after months of setting at His feet learning from him

directly before I was commissioned to go out into the christian

community to teach in the churches. Believe me I did some balking

there! It took me a while to surrender to that. He paved the way,

revealed to me where, what, and when. I just followed as He directed

me. I still am, but the sign posts do not seem so clearly/clean cut

as they once where. I don't feel I am backslidden (if there is such a

thing), but am being guided to walk more by faith, I guess.

 

Thanks agian for your replies, they have been very helpful and

I do appreciate you taking the time write all that.

Blessings & love

Linda

[Guest guest]

Wow, thank you, Linda and Chrism, for sharing this

conversation! It was most enlightening!

 

Love to you both,

Claudia

 

--- chrism <> wrote:

 

>

Kundalini-the-Holy-Fire-of-Christ/

>

>

> Thanks for taking your time to reply to this

> thread. I am

> still

> a little confused here somewhat with your replies.

> Life itself is a

> gift from Spirit/God source.

>

> @@ Yes all is a gift but gifts come for different

> reasons and the

> experience of density is one of them. Another gift

> is the

> opportunity to be lifted from density. @@

>

> The sun is made to shine on the just and

> the unjust the same, just for an example. The

> kundalini itself is a

> gift as well is it not? Some have their kundalina

> awakened

> spontaneously by practicing and learning how to have

> OBEs or through

> a

> NDE or just from a car accident even. Are you saying

> these things

> would

> not happen if the person was not ready?

>

> @@ Yes the outer Sun shines on all and this is as it

> should be as

> we have all expressed or are in the process of

> expressing the

> learnings of strife. We all go through this and no

> judgement is

> required for it is a stage of activity that allows

> us to understand

> how to or not to express as we so choose in the

> physical emotional

> and mental

> expressions of life.

>

> The Kundalini is a gift to be sure, but like the

> gift of music it

> needs to be heard and responded to with in certain

> parameters of

> feeling and frequency.

>

> A strictly strife oriented person will have

> difficulty with those frequencies. There are

> qualities and areas of

> activation that cannot be accessed by those who do

> not practice the

> activities of the safeties for example. But people

> are not so simple

> in their expressions of life and many layers of

> strife and

> peacefulness will inhabit a single person. This is

> what Karma is

> partially for. To bring into balance the best ways

> to come into the

> enlightening of density. Or the in light in ing of

> densities.

>

> If a person is ready on SOME level then yes I am

> saying this will

> occur. Not all levels of consciousness are known to

> an individual

> though. Like wise if a person is not ready on any

> level then it is

> doubtful the Kundalini will come.

> It is a birthright, a heritage for all people

> though. And if they or

> anyone can make the leap into activities that

> promote is activation

> then anyone will be rewarded with its raising. @@

>

>

>

> Those who are still in the

> self serve mode can still have a kundalini

> activation. Right?

>

> @@ To a degree but the Kundalini will change them.

> This can be an

> unhealthy place to be and much harm can come to an

> individual in

> this condition@@

>

> Isn't it

> these types is what created the black brotherhood or

> lodge or

> whatever

> it is called. Or are these negative self serving

> activations

> considered

> kundabuffer, and are not kundalini at all?

>

>

> @@ Ah yes the Gnostic terminologies. One doesnt have

> to be K active

> to create strife and disharmony. There are aspects

> of polarity that

> honor the dark and the light. Tjhe bad people are

> reincarnated good

> people inside different circumstances. Kundalini

> will come but if it

> is for strife only a certain quality of the energy

> will express. It

> is like the Indonesian " Margaluyu " This is a type of

> Kundalini used

> for warfare. People try and dominate eachother with

> it.

> It will not typically enlighten a person as it isnt

> being attenuated

> in that manner. What we do on KAS1 is reach for the

> ascention

> factors. We reach for the highest aspects of the

> enlightenment and

> follow that guidance. If a strife oriented person

> comes there they

> either change or leave as it either will or will not

> resonate for

> them. @@

>

>

> Some seek activation solely

> for the purpose of self power and or to serve

> santanic

> cults/illuminati

> aggendas. I place the ability to have an OBE as the

> same as learning

> to play the piano. It is something that can be

> learned. It is the

> same

> with Kundalini, isn't it? Like a person can follow

> this mantra or

> certain breathing techniques or yoga exercises or

> pay for a shatipat

> from some guru or just have it given and this causes

> their kundalini

> to

> activate.

>

> @@ To some degree yes. If the specific frequencies

> are given or sold

> or met in some way the Kundalini can be aroused.

> There are different

> levels of Kundalini though. And a body still needs

> to be able to

> hold that charge. And function as that charge brings

> experiences far

> and away from the norm. @@

>

> In that documentary all of those messiahs were most

> likely K

> awakened,

> even Jesus. The only thing different in them and

> Jesus that I could

> see

> is that Jesus had the Holy Spirit bestowed upon him.

> The other

> messiahs

> had learned the art of healing and doing other types

> of miracles,

> which

> anyone can learn if they have enough desire to do so

> and can acquire

> the knowledge. He recieved the Holy Spirit after

> being tempted for

> 40

> days and nights to do his own will, but he was able

> to over come

> that

> temptation and surrendered to only doing his

> Father's will(the God

> source). The Holy Spirit isn't an " art gift " so to

> speak that can be

> learned. It is a gift that is given as one

> surrenders their will to

> doing God's will. This gift empowers them to be in

> service to

> others,

> doing God's will only. It cannot be used for any

> other purpose.

>

> @@ Quanitifying Kundalini as an " art gift " is not

> the way I would

> approach this. You are not incorporating the divine

> functions and

> the divine connectivities into your equation. The

> DIVINE is a major

> aspect of the Kundalini. Many see the Christ

> standing before them

> even those who are not familiar with his appearance.

> I do not agree

> that healing or astral projection or Kundalini are

> " art gifts "

> simply because they can be attained by mortal

> humanity. Niether do I

> follow the competition of Kundalini against or

> versus

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