question to the group about ego

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

My husband and I were discussing my theory on the ego

today and how we will never have a divine government

until we each learn to live by the higherself as the

government is just a representation of the group

syche/ego. As long as we are individually ruled by the

ego, so our system of rule will reflect that by being

ego driven also.

 

And so, we got into a discussion about if the time

comes and an aggressor is at your door trying to

attack you and your loved ones, or put you in jail

unlawfully, or take away your freedom in some way

should you fight back?

When on a spiritual path of service is it still ok to

defend yourself or should you just submit?

Should you protect when need be or allow the aggressor

attack you or your loved ones?

 

In my utopia we all reach an egoless state before the

state runs a muck!!! so we don't need to face such

things, but spiritually it's a quandry?

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Defend or surrender?

 

Love Elektra x x x

 

 

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As above, so below. . .So below, As above

 

Are the thoughts that come to mind when reading your post.

 

Love, Angelina

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> My husband and I were discussing my theory on the ego

> today and how we will never have a divine government

> until we each learn to live by the higherself as the

> government is just a representation of the group

> syche/ego. As long as we are individually ruled by the

> ego, so our system of rule will reflect that by being

> ego driven also.

>

> And so, we got into a discussion about if the time

> comes and an aggressor is at your door trying to

> attack you and your loved ones, or put you in jail

> unlawfully, or take away your freedom in some way

> should you fight back?

> When on a spiritual path of service is it still ok to

> defend yourself or should you just submit?

> Should you protect when need be or allow the aggressor

> attack you or your loved ones?

>

> In my utopia we all reach an egoless state before the

> state runs a muck!!! so we don't need to face such

> things, but spiritually it's a quandry?

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

> Defend or surrender?

>

> Love Elektra x x x

>

>

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> now.

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[Guest guest]

I don't know how spiritual this is, but with my family involved I

would protect them however I could. If that meant physically

defending them, then I would. But if my going quietly meant they were

not harmed I suppose I'd surrender. So I guess I'm saying it depends

on the situation. Sorry, not much help from me! But I would agree

that our governments reflect our individual developments in a

collective consciousness sort of way. I hope that will all change

very soon!

Love,

Valarie

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> My husband and I were discussing my theory on the ego

> today and how we will never have a divine government

> until we each learn to live by the higherself as the

> government is just a representation of the group

> syche/ego. As long as we are individually ruled by the

> ego, so our system of rule will reflect that by being

> ego driven also.

>

> And so, we got into a discussion about if the time

> comes and an aggressor is at your door trying to

> attack you and your loved ones, or put you in jail

> unlawfully, or take away your freedom in some way

> should you fight back?

> When on a spiritual path of service is it still ok to

> defend yourself or should you just submit?

> Should you protect when need be or allow the aggressor

> attack you or your loved ones?

>

> In my utopia we all reach an egoless state before the

> state runs a muck!!! so we don't need to face such

> things, but spiritually it's a quandry?

>

> What are your thoughts?

>

> Defend or surrender?

>

> Love Elektra x x x

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello group!

 

addressed this subject recently in post #18752, reprinted below:

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is a huge subject and is often what people question me with so

I will touch on it here but please understand this is as a scratch on

a mountain side with what can be communicated on this subject. I will

not as yet discuss the area of technique, so please be advised.

 

Not everyone on this list lives in a place of peace or minimal

violence. Some places are extreme in the expression of violence and I

would like to address this aspect of living with the Kundalini among

predatorial people and governments.

 

The dynamics violence will often happen. Sometimes they are a jewel

wrapped in dung. Sometimes they are tests of our integrity and

diligence. Always there are many ways to respond to the experience

and in many directions of thought and activity.

 

What happens if you are robbed?

 

What happens if you are attacked and robbed?

 

What happens when you are given a choice of harm to your self or harm

to an attacker?

 

What happens when you are given the opportunity to defend a loved one

against a person that is doing your physical presence no harm?

 

Once again let us be clear. Your life is valuable. Not only to

yourself but also to those who love you and to those who will love

you in the future. You have every right to be here and thrive and

flourish and have happiness and joy with out fear or oppression.

 

 

As you develop Kundalini some precious gifts may become available to

you. These gifts are to be used, as they NEED to be used not as a

form of grandstanding or self-aggrandizement. Sometimes they do need

to be used.

 

If you are being robbed. Person(s) are taking " things " that belong to

you. They are incurring problems for themselves and releasing, in

many cases, a debt that you may owe. Either way this is not an

appropriate time to use a Kundalini skill unless the theft will

produce life threatening consequences for yourself or others such as

children or others who's succor will be assured from the use of these

items. Forgive the theft if it is a thing that survival does not

depend upon and move on.

 

If it is a needed item it can be tracked and returned or replaced via

the Kundalini.

If it is gone with slim chance of return, release it and go with a

resolute state of mind and make the needed adjustments. It is OK to

feel anger, so feel it and move into forgiveness when you can do so,

but do it ASAP.

 

What is appropriate action when faced with violence?

 

I to the:

" Five rules of Martial Arts "

 

1) Talk your way out of it.

2) Just walk away from it.

3) Run away from it.

4) Defend your way clear of it.

5) Offensive attack.

 

Much depends on the " quality " of the violence i.e. a gun to your head

or a fist to the face. If it is a gun to the head you must trust the

Kundalini and those connected to it to guide your actions.

 

Love is a viable defense in most situations. Love towards an

assailant can interrupt their aggression. It can still the trigger. A

surrendered gift of yourself to love and to the forces of love is a

viable and strong approach. Forgiveness to the assailant.

Interventions do occur. Especially in times of war.

 

Death by your hand or power must be the very last option used no

matter what. Please remember " Your life has value " so do not be quick

to sacrifice it to save an attacker from themselves, because if they

kill you they will have not been saved.

 

Defense is appropriate but this can come in many forms. Giving in to

the violence perpetrated upon you is an option. If you feel that it

will not be life threatening this is a viable option. This is a way

of defense as it allows for control of the situation by you, through

surrender, without harming the assailant but it can be a painful ride

for you.

 

Another way is to defend against it by non-violent protest. Yelling

or screaming or talking your way out of it. This too is a viable

approach as it reaches out to the sensibilities of the attackers.

Giving them more of a chance to make the better choice.

 

One must be very careful with the Kundalini. It can stop a heart in

the space of a thought. Horrendous damage can occur to the Kundalini

person who misuses these gifts. But that is an extreme example.

Rarely will that become the only option. I state it here as a warning

of the strength of the K and will not relate that particular

technique. I will let that come from your Kundalini to you.

 

" Things " are not to be defended, for the most part, unless they are

needed for survival.

 

Life is to be defended, yours or another. But once again this does

not need to be violent. Remember Kundalini can change another

person's thoughts. Thoughts of love and the qualities of loving

nurture can help one who is (by their own volition) approaching

murder. If they are a killer though, other methods can be employed.

 

Kundalini is well aware of what is occurring to you all the time you

are alive, as she is active with in you. So be clear that there is a

strong force with in that knows what is happening and the reasons and

decisions that have been made for what is happening to occur. All for

now -

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I believe we have the right to defend ourselves if it is for pure

reasons. I would do anything for my family, including hurting

someone who was trying to harm them. Be it right or wrong, that is

the truth.

 

Sarita

 

, " vjvousden "

<vjvousden wrote:

>

> I don't know how spiritual this is, but with my family involved I

> would protect them however I could. If that meant physically

> defending them, then I would. But if my going quietly meant they

were

> not harmed I suppose I'd surrender. So I guess I'm saying it

depends

> on the situation. Sorry, not much help from me! But I would agree

> that our governments reflect our individual developments in a

> collective consciousness sort of way. I hope that will all change

> very soon!

> Love,

> Valarie

[Guest guest]

Thank you Claud for bringing up this post!

 

Sarita

 

, Claudia

Lambright <newtfoodbowl wrote:

>

> Hello group!

>

> addressed this subject recently in post #18752, reprinted

below:

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> This is a huge subject and is often what people question me with

so

> I will touch on it here but please understand this is as a scratch

on

> a mountain side with what can be communicated on this subject. I

will

> not as yet discuss the area of technique, so please be advised.

[Guest guest]

I am with you on this, I would try to resolve the situation with wit and gentle

talk but if this doesn't help then I will not be a witness in seeing my babies

harmed. I become wonder woman if necessary. Now, if the cops came to my house

to arrest me for no good reason (maybe indecent exposure lol) then I would go

with no argument what-so-ever just to find out what the " misunderstanding " is.

I live in Germany, things like that seldom occurs here which its a blessing all

its own.

Love,

Becky

 

Sarita <sarita1969 wrote: I believe we

have the right to defend ourselves if it is for pure

reasons. I would do anything for my family, including hurting

someone who was trying to harm them. Be it right or wrong, that is

the truth.

 

Sarita

 

, " vjvousden "

<vjvousden wrote:

>

> I don't know how spiritual this is, but with my family involved I

> would protect them however I could. If that meant physically

> defending them, then I would. But if my going quietly meant they

were

> not harmed I suppose I'd surrender. So I guess I'm saying it

depends

> on the situation. Sorry, not much help from me! But I would agree

> that our governments reflect our individual developments in a

> collective consciousness sort of way. I hope that will all change

> very soon!

> Love,

> Valarie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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