Entities/

October 9, 2007

I really don't think about them. I read that others have problems

with them but I have zero experience with anything of that sort.

I've never even seen a ghost (though I felt one tap my shoulder

several times! I only had a second of fear then reason set in and I

said hello to it and said I was listening since it was trying to get

my attention. It stopped). Am I destined to go through this or is it

not experenced by all? And I like the idea of treating it as a

falling leaf, " oh, look at that...moving on now... " I can

understand intersecting dimensions. Is it pretty obvious you are not

on this plane anymore? I can see none of these other " places "

though, or even sense it. Boy, do I have a long way to go. Are these

entities of a 3D nature or less? More animal-like or are they

intelligent? Not a higher being, say of Light, obviously. Just

wondering. Thanks for telling us how to deal with them and how

to " see them " . Mostly, I'll try not to dwell on it.

Love to you,

Valarie

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Entities are not to be frightened of. They are just different

forms

> of consciousness far less powerful than a person in a body.

October 9, 2007

They vary in intellect and the ability to reason. Some are forms

created for specific purpose and some are thought forms that have

come into a pseudo consciousness. It's a big aquarium and no not

everyone experiences this. Those that do are being helped to

understand fear. How to overcome it and how to not rely solely upon

reason. Not all consciousness is a reasoned linear function of logic.

It is a very different existence when you can see through a portion

of the veil that separates our realities. Not all things are as

sweet as sugar and as pretty as a rosebud. And yet there is much of

that as well. Sometimes an individual must understand how to surpass

the instinctual fear that can be present when experiencing forces

that have not been explained and indeed go against the nature of our

living sensorial experiential environment.

There is more. This is a fact within my experience and I have been

seeing these consciousness forms since I was a child. They are there

when you can see, feel, hear and smell and interact with them. But

they are not stronger than a living person. They are not even equal

or close to it. Only fear allows them to come into this as strong.

So one needs to control this.

You get used to feeling the presences. This is part of the opening

to the divine nature that is given through the Kundalini. You

experience more than what you previously did. Yes some of what is

experienced is going to challenge you directly and with fervor. Some

is going to melt your heart in its beauty and love. There are still

the polarities of experience this close to the physical.

So if you are not prepared to experience this, and its not a

certainty that you will, but if you are not willing or able to make

these adjustments gradually or instantly as you need, then do not

come into this experience of the Kundalini. Stay away, because there

is far more to creation that the mere fraction of it as experienced

here in the physical. Many forms of consciousness are there in the

void and in the astral regions trillions and trillions of them just

for starters.

Most are not here to badger or attack or harm. Most are here to just

observe and some are here to help. Like in " City of the Angels " the

movie about angels. Some are definitely here to scare you and scorn

you and cause you problems and pain. These are to be seen and

treated as tests of your ability to change your perspective and

improve your inclusive qualities of acceptance for the strange and

unexpected. Strength of conviction and the right to survival and

love is also at stake and is yours to defend at times.

Doesn't mean you must become a confidant or make " any " agreements

what so ever. I discourage that as morality is almost non - existent

in these areas. It is " so easy " to lie to a five sense constrained

human being. And they do lie all the time to mediums who cannot tell

the truth from the lie or even to look. They will subvert and

suggest and intimidate and for some they will bite and sting and

worse. These are to be seen as tests for the continuing development

of the person. Some of it is a balancing. Much of it is also tied

into past life behaviors. Though not the same as a punishment.

Experiences that are difficult can be a product beyond the person's

ability to control from a desire based platform. Some things will

need to be experienced. Once you come into these areas though there

are ways of acknowledgment that can ameliorate the negative

attention. Not all will have such a difficult experience in these

areas of the percentage that has any experience in these areas.

It will be up to the individual experience of karma and intent with

in the vast area of choice that will determine the placement for the

individual in this aspect of the unveiled experience. You won't know

until you arrive and that in and of itself is a fear test. - some

thoughts - chrism

October 9, 2007

Chrism and List,

I strongly want to interact with and respond to this thread.

I have some bills to pay and some food to make, but I will be back.

THANK YOU FOR WRITING MORE ABOUT ENTITIES.

I feel really supported by you.

My fear keeps chording you for support, and then I learned to notice it and

send it up to the " unity church " instead, lol.

Peace,

Laura

On 10/9/07, chrism <> wrote:

>

> They vary in intellect and the ability to reason. Some are forms

> created for specific purpose and some are thought forms that have

> come into a pseudo consciousness. It's a big aquarium and no not

> everyone experiences this. Those that do are being helped to

> understand fear. How to overcome it and how to not rely solely upon

> reason. Not all consciousness is a reasoned linear function of logic.

>

> It is a very different existence when you can see through a portion

> of the veil that separates our realities. Not all things are as

> sweet as sugar and as pretty as a rosebud. And yet there is much of

> that as well. Sometimes an individual must understand how to surpass

> the instinctual fear that can be present when experiencing forces

> that have not been explained and indeed go against the nature of our

> living sensorial experiential environment.

>

> There is more. This is a fact within my experience and I have been

> seeing these consciousness forms since I was a child. They are there

> when you can see, feel, hear and smell and interact with them. But

> they are not stronger than a living person. They are not even equal

> or close to it. Only fear allows them to come into this as strong.

> So one needs to control this.

>

> You get used to feeling the presences. This is part of the opening

> to the divine nature that is given through the Kundalini. You

> experience more than what you previously did. Yes some of what is

> experienced is going to challenge you directly and with fervor. Some

> is going to melt your heart in its beauty and love. There are still

> the polarities of experience this close to the physical.

>

> So if you are not prepared to experience this, and its not a

> certainty that you will, but if you are not willing or able to make

> these adjustments gradually or instantly as you need, then do not

> come into this experience of the Kundalini. Stay away, because there

> is far more to creation that the mere fraction of it as experienced

> here in the physical. Many forms of consciousness are there in the

> void and in the astral regions trillions and trillions of them just

> for starters.

>

> Most are not here to badger or attack or harm. Most are here to just

> observe and some are here to help. Like in " City of the Angels " the

> movie about angels. Some are definitely here to scare you and scorn

> you and cause you problems and pain. These are to be seen and

> treated as tests of your ability to change your perspective and

> improve your inclusive qualities of acceptance for the strange and

> unexpected. Strength of conviction and the right to survival and

> love is also at stake and is yours to defend at times.

>

> Doesn't mean you must become a confidant or make " any " agreements

> what so ever. I discourage that as morality is almost non - existent

> in these areas. It is " so easy " to lie to a five sense constrained

> human being. And they do lie all the time to mediums who cannot tell

> the truth from the lie or even to look. They will subvert and

> suggest and intimidate and for some they will bite and sting and

> worse. These are to be seen as tests for the continuing development

> of the person. Some of it is a balancing. Much of it is also tied

> into past life behaviors. Though not the same as a punishment.

>

> Experiences that are difficult can be a product beyond the person's

> ability to control from a desire based platform. Some things will

> need to be experienced. Once you come into these areas though there

> are ways of acknowledgment that can ameliorate the negative

> attention. Not all will have such a difficult experience in these

> areas of the percentage that has any experience in these areas.

>

> It will be up to the individual experience of karma and intent with

> in the vast area of choice that will determine the placement for the

> individual in this aspect of the unveiled experience. You won't know

> until you arrive and that in and of itself is a fear test. - some

> thoughts - chrism

>

October 9, 2007

Dearest -

I don't understand this:

So if you are not prepared to experience this, and its not a

certainty that you will, but if you are not willing or able to make

these adjustments gradually or instantly as you need, then do not

come into this experience of the Kundalini. Stay away, because there

is far more to creation that the mere fraction of it as experienced

here in the physical. Many forms of consciousness are there in the

void and in the astral regions trillions and trillions of them just

for starters.

Are you saying to stay away from the Kundalini experience? I feel confused.

I am prepared to experience whatever is put on my plate, God knows with what I

am going through now, that I am. I am learning, I am giving my best to learn as

much as possible and to accept and welcome all experiences that Kundalini is

bringing with a sense of surrender. I believe I have been doing that already.

As for the entities I am treating it as, you put it, tests of my ability to

change my perspective and accept the strange and unexpected. I accept it

Chrism, I do, I lived with it in my childhood, though I didn't see them, did

feel the presences. I am learning from you that we are far more powerful than

they are and in giving into the fear I'd be giving my power to them. I am

grateful.

Much Love, always

Becky

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October 9, 2007

Thank you for that very in-depth description. I don't think I go into this with

any fear now. But then I don't know that kind of fear. It is yet to be

experienced in this life. I hope I will face it with conviction.

You say not to be afraid or let them intimidate but that is not to say they

are harmless, is it? Shouldn't one be cautious, armed with something (knowledge)

to confront these entities if they become dangerous? Not being afraid if one is

already will be a tall order. I'm jumping way ahead of myself here. I should

wait till I have something to report (if I do) before crossing that bridge I

guess.

Much to think on, prepare. I will pray for guidance when that time comes.

Thank you!

Valarie

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October 9, 2007

To protect is to fear attack. So you are already in the mindset of

fear. Look at your child. Do they fear attack? Do they go about

searching hither and yon for a means to protect against an enemy?

Yet they are as exposed as you.

It isn't protection that is needed or incantations or spells or

aromatherapies or the methods of protection. It is a resolve and a

trust in the process you are engaged in.

Look at your child. Is she not held and supported? Why wouldn't you

be as well? Is she not sometimes hurt through mis steps or working

the body without precision. Why would you not be as well? Is she

loved and cared for as she makes her way into this new world? Why

would you not be as well?

Not all of your teachers will subject themselves and yourself to the

inadequate judgments of physical vision and expectation. They will

watch and help from the background allowing you the full reach of

your choices. And the full consequences of that reach.

This is why I state the narrowness of this path. The danger of a

cavalier attitude or one only based in phenomena is not to be

dismissed. One must come into these areas with the resolve to do

what is needed in order to assure a safe and sane experience. This

means doing the safeties to the utmost of your ability every time.

This mean committing service for another, tolerance for others,

gratitude for is given and trust in what is ahead as you come from

the deepest and most sincere levels of your being. Love is as

powerful as you give it to another without expectation of a return.

Be diligent and aware of your thoughts and feelings. Change what you

need to change and learn - now - from your mistakes. Be

conscientious about your path and how you are walking it. Be

truthful and honest to yourself and others and know that every move

you make is observed. Every thought is heard. Every time. So make

the thoughts and actions worthy of your path. There is no such thing

as privacy.

If you take these steps you will go a great way towards receiving

from love what may otherwise be learned through trauma. - blessings -

chrism

October 10, 2007

Were you talking to me? (It's funny - the guilty are always defensive

eh? :-))

Well written - thanks!

Paul

>

> If you take these steps you will go a great way towards receiving

> from love what may otherwise be learned through trauma. - blessings -

> chrism

>

October 10, 2007

I agree with Paul...this is a very important and well written post, Chrism...I

hope that all the new people will read this over and over and ask questions if

they do not understand. For instance, this paragraph:

" This is why I state the narrowness of this path. The danger of a

cavalier attitude or one only based in phenomena is not to be

dismissed. One must come into these areas with the resolve to do

what is needed in order to assure a safe and sane experience. This

means doing the safeties to the utmost of your ability every time.

This mean committing service for another, tolerance for others,

gratitude for what is given and trust in what is ahead as you come from

the deepest and most sincere levels of your being. Love is

powerful as you give it to another without expectation of a return. "

I know what it is like to be new to kundalini and to read the Safeties for the

first time and wonder how they can be so important...they seem like simply some

good rules for living...common sense...how can they be so powerful? At first, I

went through the motions...sincerely, but without true understanding of these

practices. As time passed and I came back to the Safeties every day, new levels

of meaning began to emerge, deeper layers that spoke to my heart instead of my

head. And I know that I am only beginning to touch the surface of these

powerful principles.

It's all about the path...and all we need is " resolve and a trust in the

process we are engaged in. "

Blessings & love to all of us as we walk this glorious and humbling path,

Claudia

chrism <> wrote:

To protect is to fear attack. So you are already in the mindset of

fear. Look at your child. Do they fear attack? Do they go about

searching hither and yon for a means to protect against an enemy?

Yet they are as exposed as you.

It isn't protection that is needed or incantations or spells or

aromatherapies or the methods of protection. It is a resolve and a

trust in the process you are engaged in.

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October 10, 2007

Excellent timing on these emails Chrism. Thank you for the information

as it always useful in my book.

Last night I didn't really know what I was watching. As I was in my

living room watching TV, my first reaction was that I was seeing a nat

or small fly 20 inches from my face.But I wasn't able to see it clearly

and it came across as a small shadow.

I continued to search for this dark spot across my range of view to see

if I could see it again. Mind you, my sight is different from most

peoples. I can see the most smallest thing from far away, for instance,

I saw an ant crawling on my picnic table outside, while I was in my

bedroom walking past my window. The table is about 35 feet from the

window, and I caught the 'movement' of this large ant walking across the

table. So, for me to see a nat flying around and spotting it even 15

feet away wasn't an issue, as strange as it might sound.

As I searched the room, and these were not eye floaters, I peered at

something that looked like it was phasing in and out of existence. I saw

a dark shadow/spot, now a bit larger, falling down to the floor then

reappearing at the other side of the room for a few seconds. I sat there

for 5 minutes watching it dance around the room. This was pure

entertainment for me. Who needs TV when you can follow a shadow around

the room?

The way I searched for this shadow was a bit different. I looked as if I

was searching for Prana energy in the air. I was looking into the empty

space where you might even find some 'interference' or squiggly forms

from staring. This was instinctive to do and not from instruction.

Blessings

lisa

chrism wrote: