Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Hi & List, I am trying to take you email to heart, _and_ it is really hard to ignore entities that have somehow attached to my nervous system with geniune psychopathic intention, i.e. actively trying to kill me and keep me physically in states of unmanageable discomfort for no apparent reason. They succeed. It really is stupid and a waste of my life energy. I don't have cancer, I am not sick. Considering how clean and supportive I am toward myself, there is no reason for me to be in discomfort unless I get the flu or break a leg. I am feeling a little lost at this point. I was experiencing a remittance or a lessening of the attacks, and level of attack, but not of their use of my nervous system as their radio station or toy. I still don't go for more than a few seconds without hearing them and feeling them. This is so unbelievable compared to the quiet solo mind and body i had before, I don't expect anyone to really get it. It has in many ways improved, as I have worked so hard to stay in the witness, stay in surrendur, keep moving from fear/experience of invasion to prayer and centeredness in my right to be here without being attacked and invaded by entities. I know I have gotten better at it. I have surrendured many times to being murdered. I do feel like I have lost alot of fear around death. I can be on both sides of most coins...and then occupy the place of compassionate witness. However, I haven't seen my positive growth mirrored much in the entities moving away, detaching, or leaving me alone. They have created some kind of astral " reality " around my mind/body/life. It seems like they are pretty entrenched in staying and harming. I know my life here is not for some kind of endurance test set up by lower consciousness astral entities for no good reason. This knowing does not seem to shift it away. I am genuinely experiencing being abused, physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually... I have almost entirely lost my sex drive. I don't and didn't identify as " abused " or " victim " , but I do love myself and don't want these abusive consciousnesses with me/within me/around me. I know I deserve peace within... I have already had it in this life, so I know it, I have embodied it, and I know it is my birthright. I just don't know how to get it back. How have I not succeeded in " clearing them away " , despite how pro-active, self-loving, patient, faithful, and practiced I have been? I do feel like I have gotten past the point my fear is drawing this to me, I have strongly occupied faith in both impermanence, as well as reclaimed my right to just be in my body as I am in the moment (this is really hard sometimes with the amount of invasion). How can I accomplish ignoring them/clearing them? I guess I am getting a little desperate for change again. This is a physical and mental endurance test. Death honestly would have been much easier than this. I can now say that I look forward to the bardos. But I would prefer to look forward to my body and mind in life in peace without interference and psychopathic astral minds and energies. I am not interested in the astral. This has to be impermanent because it is just not a quality of life and I don't have a disease, and I am here to love and be loved and don't have a problem accepting that. That gives me faith, but it also makes me completely lost with what to do to shift it so I can enter the next level of my being. Thanks for any feedback, Laura On 10/9/07, chrism <> wrote: > > Entities are not to be frightened of. They are just different forms > of consciousness far less powerful than a person in a body. Fear of > them and a mistaken belief that they have more abiility than they > actually do is what can attract as do most of the " ways " to scare > them off. > > This should be clear to you as you " clear them away " and then they > return. We live in a populated intersected dimension. The astral > blends into the physical. When we are able to sense or see them it > means that we are coming out of limitation. There is no reason to > fear. No more so than you would fear a new kind of bug on your > driveway. > > OK bad analogy. lol > > Those who strive to " get rid " of entities will only serve to attract > them. They are a fact of this multiverse and the only attention > needed is to know this and ignore them. Yes they will make noise, > yes they will appear in ways that are startling thats the modus > operendei. This is how they can assure your attention and fear. > > Dont buy into this! They are as dangerous as a falling leaf! Better > to control your fears and get beyond this brief interlude of fear > for the unknown. - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Your situation is slightly different Laura. You were shaktipat without informed consent. You were given no guidance except an invitiation to become dependant upon the one who trapped you this way yes? So the issue was given before you came here and this needs to be stated that others do not fear or feel that this happened by virtue of what is done here. It didnt. Death isnt the answer either dear Laura as that puts you right into the Astral. Not a good place to be right now so stay alive until this is resolved ok? There is another solution if you have found no solace from what we worked on. Have you been consistant in the practice that we worked on together? There are no guarantees though and it isnt cheap. Costs about three thousand dollars and your passport needs to be updated. - Interested? I will need to come with you. - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Hi Chrism, Thanks for your response, and your reassurance about death not being the answer. No worries about my intention to stay alive, even though I said death would have been easier than this, I am 100% committed to living through this and even with this for 50 years if I have to (please no). The universe will have to take me naturally when it is my time. I have learned to manage and meditate through pretty extreme states of irritation and pain. I would sooooo prefer to navigate this completely and then astral bardos will be a cake walk straight to dakiniville when it happens, lol. So will living entity free. The plus side of going through what I am is that the human realm holds less in it now that fears or irritates me. I know this will be a plus for me down the road. Regarding our practices: first - I have consciously and unconsciously done a lot of process work around the predator/prey dynamic, as well as abuser/victim. My homeopathy is also targeted specifically toward this (it is the panthur/leopard remedy). I have a strengthening sense of my " primal " animal body. I feel pretty liberated from a lot of social trances/constraints and pretty much in touch with being of the earth. All of this of course will continue to strengthen within me over time. My beach and nature work has not been as frequent lately, but i still practice it, and it has also changed form into several practices. I need to get back to the beach and the trees more often...but I got to a point where I needed to try to work/be in society and of service to others again, and see how this would effect things for me. Lately I have been doing an exceptional amount of sound healing, chanting. I am interested if you are talking about medicine work. That's steep - so I would need to work on manifesting the means...i am pretty far in debt from this, so it would take me some time to figure that out, but my life is worth taking the risk. I would like to take the discussion off list. Thanks for your continued support, Peace, Laura On 10/11/07, chrism <> wrote: > > Your situation is slightly different Laura. You were shaktipat > without informed consent. You were given no guidance except an > invitiation to become dependant upon the one who trapped you this > way yes? > > So the issue was given before you came here and this needs to be > stated that others do not fear or feel that this happened by virtue > of what is done here. It didnt. > > Death isnt the answer either dear Laura as that puts you right into > the Astral. Not a good place to be right now so stay alive until > this is resolved ok? > > There is another solution if you have found no solace from what we > worked on. Have you been consistant in the practice that we worked > on together? > > There are no guarantees though and it isnt cheap. Costs about three > thousand dollars and your passport needs to be updated. - > Interested? I will need to come with you. - chrism > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Dear Laura, As you know, you have all of our love and support. I would like to ask you, how did it start for you? Was it just completely unexpected, all of a sudden, or was it following some trauma in your life, or, perhaps, some psychic practices you were working with? Hugs, U On 10/11/07, L K <spacegypsie wrote: > > Hi & List, > > I am trying to take you email to heart, _and_ it is really hard to ignore > entities that have somehow attached to my nervous system with geniune > psychopathic intention, i.e. actively trying to kill me and keep me > physically in states of unmanageable discomfort for no apparent reason. > > They succeed. It really is stupid and a waste of my life energy. > I don't have cancer, I am not sick. > > Considering how clean and supportive I am toward myself, there is no > reason > for me to be in discomfort unless I get the flu or break a leg. > > I am feeling a little lost at this point. I was experiencing a remittance > or a lessening of the attacks, and level of attack, but not of their use > of > my nervous system as their radio station or toy. I still don't go for more > than a few seconds without hearing them and feeling them. > > This is so unbelievable compared to the quiet solo mind and body i had > before, I don't expect anyone to really get it. > > It has in many ways improved, as I have worked so hard to stay in the > witness, stay in surrendur, keep moving from fear/experience of invasion > to > prayer and centeredness in my right to be here without being attacked and > invaded by entities. I know I have gotten better at it. > > I have surrendured many times to being murdered. > I do feel like I have lost alot of fear around death. > I can be on both sides of most coins...and then occupy the place of > compassionate witness. > > However, I haven't seen my positive growth mirrored much in the entities > moving away, detaching, or leaving me alone. > They have created some kind of astral " reality " around my mind/body/life. > It seems like they are pretty entrenched in staying and harming. > > I know my life here is not for some kind of endurance test set up by lower > consciousness astral entities for no good reason. This knowing does not > seem to shift it away. > > I am genuinely experiencing being abused, physically, mentally, > emotionally, > and sexually... > I have almost entirely lost my sex drive. > I don't and didn't identify as " abused " or " victim " , but I do love myself > and don't want these abusive consciousnesses with me/within me/around me. > > I know I deserve peace within... > I have already had it in this life, so I know it, I have embodied it, and > I > know it is my birthright. > I just don't know how to get it back. > > How have I not succeeded in " clearing them away " , despite how pro-active, > self-loving, patient, faithful, and practiced I have been? > > I do feel like I have gotten past the point my fear is drawing this to me, > I > have strongly occupied faith in both impermanence, as well as reclaimed my > right to just be in my body as I am in the moment (this is really hard > sometimes with the amount of invasion). > > How can I accomplish ignoring them/clearing them? > I guess I am getting a little desperate for change again. > This is a physical and mental endurance test. > > Death honestly would have been much easier than this. I can now say that I > look forward to the bardos. > But I would prefer to look forward to my body and mind in life in peace > without interference and psychopathic astral minds and energies. > > I am not interested in the astral. > > This has to be impermanent because it is just not a quality of life and I > don't have a disease, and I am here to love and be loved and don't have a > problem accepting that. > > That gives me faith, but it also makes me completely lost with what to do > to > shift it so I can enter the next level of my being. > > Thanks for any feedback, > Laura > > On 10/9/07, chrism < <%40>> > wrote: > > > > Entities are not to be frightened of. They are just different forms > > of consciousness far less powerful than a person in a body. Fear of > > them and a mistaken belief that they have more abiility than they > > actually do is what can attract as do most of the " ways " to scare > > them off. > > > > This should be clear to you as you " clear them away " and then they > > return. We live in a populated intersected dimension. The astral > > blends into the physical. When we are able to sense or see them it > > means that we are coming out of limitation. There is no reason to > > fear. No more so than you would fear a new kind of bug on your > > driveway. > > > > OK bad analogy. lol > > > > Those who strive to " get rid " of entities will only serve to attract > > them. They are a fact of this multiverse and the only attention > > needed is to know this and ignore them. Yes they will make noise, > > yes they will appear in ways that are startling thats the modus > > operendei. This is how they can assure your attention and fear. > > > > Dont buy into this! They are as dangerous as a falling leaf! Better > > to control your fears and get beyond this brief interlude of fear > > for the unknown. - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Hi Unis, That is a good question. Retrospectively, I remember that I was becoming more " sensitive " all year in 2006, but did not notice it much. I knew I was growing and opening spiritually, especially through my work as a somatic therapist. This sensitivity deepened, through my deepening yoga and qigong practices. Then in January, I came into an agreement to train with a healer/shaman/kundalini teacher... I did not exactly know what I was getting into, and all I did was agree, with the intention of deepening my healer work over time. Within 2 weeks of that agreement, my nervous system started to become a " thought antennae " and I had a much higher level of astral contact. I wasn't scared of it per se. Then overnight, it went from a functional accelerated " opening " to a disability where I woke up living in " 2 dimensions at once " and being flooded with astral " realities " . Despite my sensitivity and spiritual awareness, honestly I had no real clue what or where or how the " astral " really was. I did not ever expect to encounter " lower consciousness " or " lower astral " minds. I was spiritually mature in many ways, but not " astral " or " entity " mature. It wasn't something I could shut down or regulate the contact. It was more like being dropped on an alien planet and trying to get back to earth. There were suddenly no mental or physical limits, and these beings live outside of time and space, they were suddenly interacting with a human with a body. I don't really understand why these entities or astral realities, as opposed to other ones, why these were drawn to me or opened to me or invaded me. I do think it was my consent to train with that healer that caused the abrupt " opening " ...desite becoming more sensitive the previous year. I have had life traumas, but I was at a point of strength in my self in January, and felt like I was growing, healing and awakening. I still feel like I am, but it is one hell of a journey. Thanks for asking. Peace, Laura On 10/11/07, Unis Sonn <unis.sonn wrote: > > Dear Laura, > As you know, you have all of our love and support. I would like to ask > you, > how did it start for you? Was it just completely unexpected, all of a > sudden, or was it following some trauma in your life, or, perhaps, some > psychic practices you were working with? > Hugs, > U > > On 10/11/07, L K <spacegypsie <spacegypsie%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi & List, > > > > I am trying to take you email to heart, _and_ it is really hard to > ignore > > entities that have somehow attached to my nervous system with geniune > > psychopathic intention, i.e. actively trying to kill me and keep me > > physically in states of unmanageable discomfort for no apparent reason. > > > > They succeed. It really is stupid and a waste of my life energy. > > I don't have cancer, I am not sick. > > > > Considering how clean and supportive I am toward myself, there is no > > reason > > for me to be in discomfort unless I get the flu or break a leg. > > > > I am feeling a little lost at this point. I was experiencing a > remittance > > or a lessening of the attacks, and level of attack, but not of their use > > of > > my nervous system as their radio station or toy. I still don't go for > more > > than a few seconds without hearing them and feeling them. > > > > This is so unbelievable compared to the quiet solo mind and body i had > > before, I don't expect anyone to really get it. > > > > It has in many ways improved, as I have worked so hard to stay in the > > witness, stay in surrendur, keep moving from fear/experience of invasion > > to > > prayer and centeredness in my right to be here without being attacked > and > > invaded by entities. I know I have gotten better at it. > > > > I have surrendured many times to being murdered. > > I do feel like I have lost alot of fear around death. > > I can be on both sides of most coins...and then occupy the place of > > compassionate witness. > > > > However, I haven't seen my positive growth mirrored much in the entities > > moving away, detaching, or leaving me alone. > > They have created some kind of astral " reality " around my > mind/body/life. > > It seems like they are pretty entrenched in staying and harming. > > > > I know my life here is not for some kind of endurance test set up by > lower > > consciousness astral entities for no good reason. This knowing does not > > seem to shift it away. > > > > I am genuinely experiencing being abused, physically, mentally, > > emotionally, > > and sexually... > > I have almost entirely lost my sex drive. > > I don't and didn't identify as " abused " or " victim " , but I do love > myself > > and don't want these abusive consciousnesses with me/within me/around > me. > > > > I know I deserve peace within... > > I have already had it in this life, so I know it, I have embodied it, > and > > I > > know it is my birthright. > > I just don't know how to get it back. > > > > How have I not succeeded in " clearing them away " , despite how > pro-active, > > self-loving, patient, faithful, and practiced I have been? > > > > I do feel like I have gotten past the point my fear is drawing this to > me, > > I > > have strongly occupied faith in both impermanence, as well as reclaimed > my > > right to just be in my body as I am in the moment (this is really hard > > sometimes with the amount of invasion). > > > > How can I accomplish ignoring them/clearing them? > > I guess I am getting a little desperate for change again. > > This is a physical and mental endurance test. > > > > Death honestly would have been much easier than this. I can now say that > I > > look forward to the bardos. > > But I would prefer to look forward to my body and mind in life in peace > > without interference and psychopathic astral minds and energies. > > > > I am not interested in the astral. > > > > This has to be impermanent because it is just not a quality of life and > I > > don't have a disease, and I am here to love and be loved and don't have > a > > problem accepting that. > > > > That gives me faith, but it also makes me completely lost with what to > do > > to > > shift it so I can enter the next level of my being. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > Laura > > > > On 10/9/07, chrism < <%40><% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Entities are not to be frightened of. They are just different forms > > > of consciousness far less powerful than a person in a body. Fear of > > > them and a mistaken belief that they have more abiility than they > > > actually do is what can attract as do most of the " ways " to scare > > > them off. > > > > > > This should be clear to you as you " clear them away " and then they > > > return. We live in a populated intersected dimension. The astral > > > blends into the physical. When we are able to sense or see them it > > > means that we are coming out of limitation. There is no reason to > > > fear. No more so than you would fear a new kind of bug on your > > > driveway. > > > > > > OK bad analogy. lol > > > > > > Those who strive to " get rid " of entities will only serve to attract > > > them. They are a fact of this multiverse and the only attention > > > needed is to know this and ignore them. Yes they will make noise, > > > yes they will appear in ways that are startling thats the modus > > > operendei. This is how they can assure your attention and fear. > > > > > > Dont buy into this! They are as dangerous as a falling leaf! Better > > > to control your fears and get beyond this brief interlude of fear > > > for the unknown. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Could you perhaps be suffering from an anxiety issue? You say nervous system; what are your symptoms? Amanda ---- Original Message ---- spacegypsie Re: Entities - Chrism Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:37:59 -0800 >Hi & List, > >I am trying to take you email to heart, _and_ it is really hard to >ignore >entities that have somehow attached to my nervous system with geniune >psychopathic intention, i.e. actively trying to kill me and keep me >physically in states of unmanageable discomfort for no apparent >reason. > >They succeed. It really is stupid and a waste of my life energy. >I don't have cancer, I am not sick. > >Considering how clean and supportive I am toward myself, there is no >reason >for me to be in discomfort unless I get the flu or break a leg. > >I am feeling a little lost at this point. I was experiencing a >remittance >or a lessening of the attacks, and level of attack, but not of their >use of >my nervous system as their radio station or toy. I still don't go >for more >than a few seconds without hearing them and feeling them. > >This is so unbelievable compared to the quiet solo mind and body i >had >before, I don't expect anyone to really get it. > >It has in many ways improved, as I have worked so hard to stay in the >witness, stay in surrendur, keep moving from fear/experience of >invasion to >prayer and centeredness in my right to be here without being attacked >and >invaded by entities. I know I have gotten better at it. > >I have surrendured many times to being murdered. >I do feel like I have lost alot of fear around death. >I can be on both sides of most coins...and then occupy the place of >compassionate witness. > >However, I haven't seen my positive growth mirrored much in the >entities >moving away, detaching, or leaving me alone. >They have created some kind of astral " reality " around my >mind/body/life. >It seems like they are pretty entrenched in staying and harming. > >I know my life here is not for some kind of endurance test set up by >lower >consciousness astral entities for no good reason. This knowing does >not >seem to shift it away. > >I am genuinely experiencing being abused, physically, mentally, >emotionally, >and sexually... >I have almost entirely lost my sex drive. >I don't and didn't identify as " abused " or " victim " , but I do love >myself >and don't want these abusive consciousnesses with me/within me/around >me. > >I know I deserve peace within... >I have already had it in this life, so I know it, I have embodied it, >and I >know it is my birthright. >I just don't know how to get it back. > >How have I not succeeded in " clearing them away " , despite how >pro-active, >self-loving, patient, faithful, and practiced I have been? > >I do feel like I have gotten past the point my fear is drawing this >to me, I >have strongly occupied faith in both impermanence, as well as >reclaimed my >right to just be in my body as I am in the moment (this is really >hard >sometimes with the amount of invasion). > >How can I accomplish ignoring them/clearing them? >I guess I am getting a little desperate for change again. >This is a physical and mental endurance test. > >Death honestly would have been much easier than this. I can now say >that I >look forward to the bardos. >But I would prefer to look forward to my body and mind in life in >peace >without interference and psychopathic astral minds and energies. > >I am not interested in the astral. > >This has to be impermanent because it is just not a quality of life >and I >don't have a disease, and I am here to love and be loved and don't >have a >problem accepting that. > >That gives me faith, but it also makes me completely lost with what >to do to >shift it so I can enter the next level of my being. > >Thanks for any feedback, >Laura > > > > > >On 10/9/07, chrism <> wrote: >> >> Entities are not to be frightened of. They are just different >forms >> of consciousness far less powerful than a person in a body. Fear of >> them and a mistaken belief that they have more abiility than they >> actually do is what can attract as do most of the " ways " to scare >> them off. >> >> This should be clear to you as you " clear them away " and then they >> return. We live in a populated intersected dimension. The astral >> blends into the physical. When we are able to sense or see them it >> means that we are coming out of limitation. There is no reason to >> fear. No more so than you would fear a new kind of bug on your >> driveway. >> >> OK bad analogy. lol >> >> Those who strive to " get rid " of entities will only serve to >attract >> them. They are a fact of this multiverse and the only attention >> needed is to know this and ignore them. Yes they will make noise, >> yes they will appear in ways that are startling thats the modus >> operendei. This is how they can assure your attention and fear. >> >> Dont buy into this! They are as dangerous as a falling leaf! Better >> to control your fears and get beyond this brief interlude of fear >> for the unknown. - >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hello, Laura, It does seem like whatever has happened to you is related to the practice with this shaman/kundalini teacher. It is very unfortunate that there people out there who may not even be so ill-intending, as they are ignorant. Such approach could sure cause a lot of harm to a person. I am glad that it seems you have gone a long way from the very first post you did on the other forum. You have also proven to be very strong, which is an inspiration.. As I said before, you have our full support and love. Unis On 10/12/07, L K <spacegypsie wrote: > > Hi Unis, > > That is a good question. Retrospectively, I remember that I was becoming > more " sensitive " all year in 2006, but did not notice it much. I knew I > was > growing and opening spiritually, especially through my work as a somatic > therapist. This sensitivity deepened, through my deepening yoga and qigong > practices. > > Then in January, I came into an agreement to train with a > healer/shaman/kundalini teacher... > I did not exactly know what I was getting into, and all I did was > agree, with the intention of deepening my healer work over time. > > Within 2 weeks of that agreement, my nervous system started to become a > " thought antennae " and I had a much higher level of astral contact. I > wasn't scared of it per se. > > Then overnight, it went from a functional accelerated " opening " to a > disability where I woke up living in " 2 dimensions at once " and being > flooded with astral " realities " . > > Despite my sensitivity and spiritual awareness, honestly I had no real > clue > what or where or how the " astral " really was. I did not ever expect to > encounter " lower consciousness " or " lower astral " minds. I was spiritually > mature in many ways, but not " astral " or " entity " mature. > > It wasn't something I could shut down or regulate the contact. It was more > like being dropped on an alien planet and trying to get back to earth. > There were suddenly no mental or physical limits, and these beings live > outside of time and space, they were suddenly interacting with a human > with > a body. > > I don't really understand why these entities or astral realities, as > opposed > to other ones, why these were drawn to me or opened to me or invaded me. > > I do think it was my consent to train with that healer that caused the > abrupt " opening " ...desite becoming more sensitive the previous year. I > have > had life traumas, but I was at a point of strength in my self in January, > and felt like I was growing, healing and awakening. > > I still feel like I am, but it is one hell of a journey. > > Thanks for asking. > Peace, > Laura > > On 10/11/07, Unis Sonn <unis.sonn <unis.sonn%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Laura, > > As you know, you have all of our love and support. I would like to ask > > you, > > how did it start for you? Was it just completely unexpected, all of a > > sudden, or was it following some trauma in your life, or, perhaps, some > > psychic practices you were working with? > > Hugs, > > U > > > > On 10/11/07, L K <spacegypsie <spacegypsie%40gmail.com><spacegypsie% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi & List, > > > > > > I am trying to take you email to heart, _and_ it is really hard to > > ignore > > > entities that have somehow attached to my nervous system with geniune > > > psychopathic intention, i.e. actively trying to kill me and keep me > > > physically in states of unmanageable discomfort for no apparent > reason. > > > > > > They succeed. It really is stupid and a waste of my life energy. > > > I don't have cancer, I am not sick. > > > > > > Considering how clean and supportive I am toward myself, there is no > > > reason > > > for me to be in discomfort unless I get the flu or break a leg. > > > > > > I am feeling a little lost at this point. I was experiencing a > > remittance > > > or a lessening of the attacks, and level of attack, but not of their > use > > > of > > > my nervous system as their radio station or toy. I still don't go for > > more > > > than a few seconds without hearing them and feeling them. > > > > > > This is so unbelievable compared to the quiet solo mind and body i had > > > before, I don't expect anyone to really get it. > > > > > > It has in many ways improved, as I have worked so hard to stay in the > > > witness, stay in surrendur, keep moving from fear/experience of > invasion > > > to > > > prayer and centeredness in my right to be here without being attacked > > and > > > invaded by entities. I know I have gotten better at it. > > > > > > I have surrendured many times to being murdered. > > > I do feel like I have lost alot of fear around death. > > > I can be on both sides of most coins...and then occupy the place of > > > compassionate witness. > > > > > > However, I haven't seen my positive growth mirrored much in the > entities > > > moving away, detaching, or leaving me alone. > > > They have created some kind of astral " reality " around my > > mind/body/life. > > > It seems like they are pretty entrenched in staying and harming. > > > > > > I know my life here is not for some kind of endurance test set up by > > lower > > > consciousness astral entities for no good reason. This knowing does > not > > > seem to shift it away. > > > > > > I am genuinely experiencing being abused, physically, mentally, > > > emotionally, > > > and sexually... > > > I have almost entirely lost my sex drive. > > > I don't and didn't identify as " abused " or " victim " , but I do love > > myself > > > and don't want these abusive consciousnesses with me/within me/around > > me. > > > > > > I know I deserve peace within... > > > I have already had it in this life, so I know it, I have embodied it, > > and > > > I > > > know it is my birthright. > > > I just don't know how to get it back. > > > > > > How have I not succeeded in " clearing them away " , despite how > > pro-active, > > > self-loving, patient, faithful, and practiced I have been? > > > > > > I do feel like I have gotten past the point my fear is drawing this to > > me, > > > I > > > have strongly occupied faith in both impermanence, as well as > reclaimed > > my > > > right to just be in my body as I am in the moment (this is really hard > > > sometimes with the amount of invasion). > > > > > > How can I accomplish ignoring them/clearing them? > > > I guess I am getting a little desperate for change again. > > > This is a physical and mental endurance test. > > > > > > Death honestly would have been much easier than this. I can now say > that > > I > > > look forward to the bardos. > > > But I would prefer to look forward to my body and mind in life in > peace > > > without interference and psychopathic astral minds and energies. > > > > > > I am not interested in the astral. > > > > > > This has to be impermanent because it is just not a quality of life > and > > I > > > don't have a disease, and I am here to love and be loved and don't > have > > a > > > problem accepting that. > > > > > > That gives me faith, but it also makes me completely lost with what to > > do > > > to > > > shift it so I can enter the next level of my being. > > > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > > Laura > > > > > > On 10/9/07, chrism < <%40><% > 40><% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Entities are not to be frightened of. They are just different forms > > > > of consciousness far less powerful than a person in a body. Fear of > > > > them and a mistaken belief that they have more abiility than they > > > > actually do is what can attract as do most of the " ways " to scare > > > > them off. > > > > > > > > This should be clear to you as you " clear them away " and then they > > > > return. We live in a populated intersected dimension. The astral > > > > blends into the physical. When we are able to sense or see them it > > > > means that we are coming out of limitation. There is no reason to > > > > fear. No more so than you would fear a new kind of bug on your > > > > driveway. > > > > > > > > OK bad analogy. lol > > > > > > > > Those who strive to " get rid " of entities will only serve to attract > > > > them. They are a fact of this multiverse and the only attention > > > > needed is to know this and ignore them. Yes they will make noise, > > > > yes they will appear in ways that are startling thats the modus > > > > operendei. This is how they can assure your attention and fear. > > > > > > > > Dont buy into this! They are as dangerous as a falling leaf! Better > > > > to control your fears and get beyond this brief interlude of fear > > > > for the unknown. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thank you Unis. Your support means alot. I hold no or very little blame, even though I can chart what were likely precursors to what happened to me. I believe that no one intented me any harm, even if harm came to me from contact or premature agreements with certain people. I think that all intentions were likely good, or at least they were not intending to harm me, and my intention was simply/clearly to grow and heal and become a better healer. Accidents happen. So I really hold no blame or anger toward anyone including myself for where I am. Just fear I won't get back to one piece again...and irritation and impatience. But what does not kill us, makes us stronger... This has shown me that we are all alot stronger than we think, not just me. If I can go through a major hell like this and still be here intact, I KNOW humans are strong, and they can get through their worst fears. I am learning how strong we are. I am greatful for the maturation and the lessons I have learned from this...especially the importance of self-care in selecting healers or prematurally agreeing to trainings, or putting safety and thoughtfulness first when it comes to psychic openings. Not having opened psychically and grown so quickly in this life, I know that I had naivety/innocence around alot, and that is partly what led to this hell walk even being permitted in my life. So live and learn. I hope to be able to give back for all the support I have received. Thanks for your love and support, It makes a difference, Wishing you great peace, Laura On 10/13/07, Unis Sonn <unis.sonn wrote: > > Hello, Laura, > It does seem like whatever has happened to you is related to the practice > with this shaman/kundalini teacher. It is very unfortunate that there > people > out there who may not even be so ill-intending, as they are ignorant. Such > approach could sure cause a lot of harm to a person. > I am glad that it seems you have gone a long way from the very first post > you did on the other forum. You have also proven to be very strong, which > is > an inspiration.. > As I said before, you have our full support and love. > Unis > > On 10/12/07, L K <spacegypsie <spacegypsie%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi Unis, > > > > That is a good question. Retrospectively, I remember that I was becoming > > more " sensitive " all year in 2006, but did not notice it much. I knew I > > was > > growing and opening spiritually, especially through my work as a somatic > > therapist. This sensitivity deepened, through my deepening yoga and > qigong > > practices. > > > > Then in January, I came into an agreement to train with a > > healer/shaman/kundalini teacher... > > I did not exactly know what I was getting into, and all I did was > > agree, with the intention of deepening my healer work over time. > > > > Within 2 weeks of that agreement, my nervous system started to become a > > " thought antennae " and I had a much higher level of astral contact. I > > wasn't scared of it per se. > > > > Then overnight, it went from a functional accelerated " opening " to a > > disability where I woke up living in " 2 dimensions at once " and being > > flooded with astral " realities " . > > > > Despite my sensitivity and spiritual awareness, honestly I had no real > > clue > > what or where or how the " astral " really was. I did not ever expect to > > encounter " lower consciousness " or " lower astral " minds. I was > spiritually > > mature in many ways, but not " astral " or " entity " mature. > > > > It wasn't something I could shut down or regulate the contact. It was > more > > like being dropped on an alien planet and trying to get back to earth. > > There were suddenly no mental or physical limits, and these beings live > > outside of time and space, they were suddenly interacting with a human > > with > > a body. > > > > I don't really understand why these entities or astral realities, as > > opposed > > to other ones, why these were drawn to me or opened to me or invaded me. > > > > I do think it was my consent to train with that healer that caused the > > abrupt " opening " ...desite becoming more sensitive the previous year. I > > have > > had life traumas, but I was at a point of strength in my self in > January, > > and felt like I was growing, healing and awakening. > > > > I still feel like I am, but it is one hell of a journey. > > > > Thanks for asking. > > Peace, > > Laura > > > > On 10/11/07, Unis Sonn <unis.sonn <unis.sonn%40gmail.com> < > unis.sonn%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Laura, > > > As you know, you have all of our love and support. I would like to ask > > > you, > > > how did it start for you? Was it just completely unexpected, all of a > > > sudden, or was it following some trauma in your life, or, perhaps, > some > > > psychic practices you were working with? > > > Hugs, > > > U > > > > > > On 10/11/07, L K <spacegypsie <spacegypsie%40gmail.com><spacegypsie% > 40gmail.com><spacegypsie% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi & List, > > > > > > > > I am trying to take you email to heart, _and_ it is really hard to > > > ignore > > > > entities that have somehow attached to my nervous system with > geniune > > > > psychopathic intention, i.e. actively trying to kill me and keep me > > > > physically in states of unmanageable discomfort for no apparent > > reason. > > > > > > > > They succeed. It really is stupid and a waste of my life energy. > > > > I don't have cancer, I am not sick. > > > > > > > > Considering how clean and supportive I am toward myself, there is no > > > > reason > > > > for me to be in discomfort unless I get the flu or break a leg. > > > > > > > > I am feeling a little lost at this point. I was experiencing a > > > remittance > > > > or a lessening of the attacks, and level of attack, but not of their > > use > > > > of > > > > my nervous system as their radio station or toy. I still don't go > for > > > more > > > > than a few seconds without hearing them and feeling them. > > > > > > > > This is so unbelievable compared to the quiet solo mind and body i > had > > > > before, I don't expect anyone to really get it. > > > > > > > > It has in many ways improved, as I have worked so hard to stay in > the > > > > witness, stay in surrendur, keep moving from fear/experience of > > invasion > > > > to > > > > prayer and centeredness in my right to be here without being > attacked > > > and > > > > invaded by entities. I know I have gotten better at it. > > > > > > > > I have surrendured many times to being murdered. > > > > I do feel like I have lost alot of fear around death. > > > > I can be on both sides of most coins...and then occupy the place of > > > > compassionate witness. > > > > > > > > However, I haven't seen my positive growth mirrored much in the > > entities > > > > moving away, detaching, or leaving me alone. > > > > They have created some kind of astral " reality " around my > > > mind/body/life. > > > > It seems like they are pretty entrenched in staying and harming. > > > > > > > > I know my life here is not for some kind of endurance test set up by > > > lower > > > > consciousness astral entities for no good reason. This knowing does > > not > > > > seem to shift it away. > > > > > > > > I am genuinely experiencing being abused, physically, mentally, > > > > emotionally, > > > > and sexually... > > > > I have almost entirely lost my sex drive. > > > > I don't and didn't identify as " abused " or " victim " , but I do love > > > myself > > > > and don't want these abusive consciousnesses with me/within > me/around > > > me. > > > > > > > > I know I deserve peace within... > > > > I have already had it in this life, so I know it, I have embodied > it, > > > and > > > > I > > > > know it is my birthright. > > > > I just don't know how to get it back. > > > > > > > > How have I not succeeded in " clearing them away " , despite how > > > pro-active, > > > > self-loving, patient, faithful, and practiced I have been? > > > > > > > > I do feel like I have gotten past the point my fear is drawing this > to > > > me, > > > > I > > > > have strongly occupied faith in both impermanence, as well as > > reclaimed > > > my > > > > right to just be in my body as I am in the moment (this is really > hard > > > > sometimes with the amount of invasion). > > > > > > > > How can I accomplish ignoring them/clearing them? > > > > I guess I am getting a little desperate for change again. > > > > This is a physical and mental endurance test. > > > > > > > > Death honestly would have been much easier than this. I can now say > > that > > > I > > > > look forward to the bardos. > > > > But I would prefer to look forward to my body and mind in life in > > peace > > > > without interference and psychopathic astral minds and energies. > > > > > > > > I am not interested in the astral. > > > > > > > > This has to be impermanent because it is just not a quality of life > > and > > > I > > > > don't have a disease, and I am here to love and be loved and don't > > have > > > a > > > > problem accepting that. > > > > > > > > That gives me faith, but it also makes me completely lost with what > to > > > do > > > > to > > > > shift it so I can enter the next level of my being. > > > > > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > > > Laura > > > > > > > > On 10/9/07, chrism < <%40><% > 40><% > > 40><% > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Entities are not to be frightened of. They are just different > forms > > > > > of consciousness far less powerful than a person in a body. Fear > of > > > > > them and a mistaken belief that they have more abiility than they > > > > > actually do is what can attract as do most of the " ways " to scare > > > > > them off. > > > > > > > > > > This should be clear to you as you " clear them away " and then they > > > > > return. We live in a populated intersected dimension. The astral > > > > > blends into the physical. When we are able to sense or see them it > > > > > means that we are coming out of limitation. There is no reason to > > > > > fear. No more so than you would fear a new kind of bug on your > > > > > driveway. > > > > > > > > > > OK bad analogy. lol > > > > > > > > > > Those who strive to " get rid " of entities will only serve to > attract > > > > > them. They are a fact of this multiverse and the only attention > > > > > needed is to know this and ignore them. Yes they will make noise, > > > > > yes they will appear in ways that are startling thats the modus > > > > > operendei. This is how they can assure your attention and fear. > > > > > > > > > > Dont buy into this! They are as dangerous as a falling leaf! > Better > > > > > to control your fears and get beyond this brief interlude of fear > > > > > for the unknown. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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