Magic and other systems mixing here

[Guest guest]

I am not a magician or a sorcerer or a warlock. I do not

practice " magic " in any form. Magic is, in many cases, equal to ego.

To control another human without their choice. Casting spells to

avoid personal physical and emotional labor. Self aggrandizement for

the control of others. etc.

 

Not all of it is bad and I am not saying that. I am saying that it

is festooned with temptation that most of its practitioners succumb

to. That it is not of " this " path as described and practiced here.

 

Of course it is of your free will to investigate these areas and if

you feel pulled to do so please take it off of this list. This is

about " Kundalini " here. The safeties and a safe nurturing of a flow.

Very different from what Laura experienced.

 

I have not attempted to strip Laura of her Kundalini flow. Not even

sure that I can or would be allowed to. No accidents right? She is

in the middle of a difficult process but it is her process! She made

choices, knowing or not, that placed her into these areas. There is

goodness coming out of this pain but when it is your pain it can be

very difficult to perceive.

 

My activation was very similar. I was forced by entities to watch my

sister being beaten and raped. Then asked if I was with them or

against them. Same with my mother. I tried to intervene but was then

taken to have my feet burned in an open fire. I know what this is

like and there are many more examples that I will not relate.

 

This doesn't happen here on this list, this group. If it can be

helped and is why this group exists at all. My hardships into your

happiness. That is the service.

 

If people follow the protocols.

 

Doesn't mean you won't have visions or experiences but it does mean

you will have knowledge and information of an experiential quality

to draw from and put into practice. You will reap what you so here.

It does mean you will be surrounded by loving fellow travelers that

are not interested in domination or power over you. This is a safe

place.

 

Kundalini can be very difficult without throwing in other systems

that are often counter to what is taught here. I know the intention

was to be of service and helpful and this is good. I have also asked

members not to mix in other systems and I ask this again.

 

Laura will survive to tell the tales. She will come out of this

very strong and able to help others. Some things need to be

experienced. There is always an exit. I found this out. Hell is not

forever.

 

Laura can be helped but perhaps that help doesn't mean taking away

the experience. It is still too soon to know what developments are

in store for her in the future. There are other options. -

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks chrism for your soothing intention, your words, your support. It

pained me to read about your experience - and I also felt your deep

understanding within it - strange combination.

 

This meant alot.

 

Each communication, you have helped me continue to reclaim my power, step

out of this victimizing me, remember who I am, and know that I am right

where I need to be, in the right body.

 

Saying there is always an exit....thank the DIVINE UNIVERSE!

 

I do believe you now. A few months ago, I wanted to believe it, now I am

trying to arrive at knowing and feeling it.

 

Thanks for creating such a safe and supportive space to grow

..

And thanks to the list for holding space for me so many times about

this...it really does and has made a huge difference for me to be able to

seek refuge here. I am looking forward to the time I can share here, and

not have 1 word to write about entities.

 

Wishing everyone very great peace,

Laura

 

 

 

 

On 10/11/07, chrism <> wrote:

>

> I am not a magician or a sorcerer or a warlock. I do not

> practice " magic " in any form. Magic is, in many cases, equal to ego.

> To control another human without their choice. Casting spells to

> avoid personal physical and emotional labor. Self aggrandizement for

> the control of others. etc.

>

> Not all of it is bad and I am not saying that. I am saying that it

> is festooned with temptation that most of its practitioners succumb

> to. That it is not of " this " path as described and practiced here.

>

> Of course it is of your free will to investigate these areas and if

> you feel pulled to do so please take it off of this list. This is

> about " Kundalini " here. The safeties and a safe nurturing of a flow.

> Very different from what Laura experienced.

>

> I have not attempted to strip Laura of her Kundalini flow. Not even

> sure that I can or would be allowed to. No accidents right? She is

> in the middle of a difficult process but it is her process! She made

> choices, knowing or not, that placed her into these areas. There is

> goodness coming out of this pain but when it is your pain it can be

> very difficult to perceive.

>

> My activation was very similar. I was forced by entities to watch my

> sister being beaten and raped. Then asked if I was with them or

> against them. Same with my mother. I tried to intervene but was then

> taken to have my feet burned in an open fire. I know what this is

> like and there are many more examples that I will not relate.

>

> This doesn't happen here on this list, this group. If it can be

> helped and is why this group exists at all. My hardships into your

> happiness. That is the service.

>

> If people follow the protocols.

>

> Doesn't mean you won't have visions or experiences but it does mean

> you will have knowledge and information of an experiential quality

> to draw from and put into practice. You will reap what you so here.

> It does mean you will be surrounded by loving fellow travelers that

> are not interested in domination or power over you. This is a safe

> place.

>

> Kundalini can be very difficult without throwing in other systems

> that are often counter to what is taught here. I know the intention

> was to be of service and helpful and this is good. I have also asked

> members not to mix in other systems and I ask this again.

>

> Laura will survive to tell the tales. She will come out of this

> very strong and able to help others. Some things need to be

> experienced. There is always an exit. I found this out. Hell is not

> forever.

>

> Laura can be helped but perhaps that help doesn't mean taking away

> the experience. It is still too soon to know what developments are

> in store for her in the future. There are other options. -

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chrism, I hadn't seen these prior posts.... I'm sorry for my

response about Hermetics (if it seemed disrespectful)... I won't

mention it anymore... I had learned about it from one of my favorite

authors, Doreen Virtue, PhD...

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I am not a magician or a sorcerer or a warlock. I do not

> practice " magic " in any form. Magic is, in many cases, equal to

ego.

> To control another human without their choice. Casting spells to

> avoid personal physical and emotional labor. Self aggrandizement

for

> the control of others. etc.

>

> Not all of it is bad and I am not saying that. I am saying that it

> is festooned with temptation that most of its practitioners

succumb

> to. That it is not of " this " path as described and practiced here.

>

> Of course it is of your free will to investigate these areas and

if

> you feel pulled to do so please take it off of this list. This is

> about " Kundalini " here. The safeties and a safe nurturing of a

flow.

> Very different from what Laura experienced.

>

> I have not attempted to strip Laura of her Kundalini flow. Not

even

> sure that I can or would be allowed to. No accidents right? She is

> in the middle of a difficult process but it is her process! She

made

> choices, knowing or not, that placed her into these areas. There

is

> goodness coming out of this pain but when it is your pain it can

be

> very difficult to perceive.

>

> My activation was very similar. I was forced by entities to watch

my

> sister being beaten and raped. Then asked if I was with them or

> against them. Same with my mother. I tried to intervene but was

then

> taken to have my feet burned in an open fire. I know what this is

> like and there are many more examples that I will not relate.

>

> This doesn't happen here on this list, this group. If it can be

> helped and is why this group exists at all. My hardships into your

> happiness. That is the service.

>

> If people follow the protocols.

>

> Doesn't mean you won't have visions or experiences but it does

mean

> you will have knowledge and information of an experiential quality

> to draw from and put into practice. You will reap what you so

here.

> It does mean you will be surrounded by loving fellow travelers

that

> are not interested in domination or power over you. This is a safe

> place.

>

> Kundalini can be very difficult without throwing in other systems

> that are often counter to what is taught here. I know the

intention

> was to be of service and helpful and this is good. I have also

asked

> members not to mix in other systems and I ask this again.

>

> Laura will survive to tell the tales. She will come out of this

> very strong and able to help others. Some things need to be

> experienced. There is always an exit. I found this out. Hell is

not

> forever.

>

> Laura can be helped but perhaps that help doesn't mean taking away

> the experience. It is still too soon to know what developments are

> in store for her in the future. There are other options. -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bless you. Laura. Our Love goes out to you.

Valarie

[Guest guest]

Chrism and All,

 

I have been following The Western Way for many years, because my

spontaneous Awakening paralleled the Initiation of the Western

System. It took a while before I found out what had happened to me.

 

It hasn't been long since I came to the full realization that the

Eastern Way and the Western Way were simply two sides of the very

same coin. Duh! I thought that they were really different.

 

When I came across a particular web site about Kundalini, I was

shocked at how the experiences of some others were practically the

same as mine! So, I decided to study the Eastern Path. Later, I

decided to join two groups, so that I could correspond with others on

this Path.

 

Since I joined these two groups, " things " have gotten a little

Strange. I don't want to go into it, but, Something is going on ...

I don't believe in coincidences, BTW.

 

I have been meditating on this, but, I seem to be blocked, or ...

something. Was I wrong to leave the Western Path? BTW, I am one of

those who had an Entity come to them, and lead them to the Western

Path. I almost died during my Experience, and that Being saved me

from death.

 

All of this weird stuff that's going on ... I am shaking at the

moment. I don't want it to get any worse. What is your take on this?

 

 

Love and Blessings,

Fenix

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I am not a magician or a sorcerer or a warlock. I do not

> practice " magic " in any form. Magic is, in many cases, equal to

ego.

> To control another human without their choice. Casting spells to

> avoid personal physical and emotional labor. Self aggrandizement

for

> the control of others. etc.

>

> Not all of it is bad and I am not saying that. I am saying that it

> is festooned with temptation that most of its practitioners succumb

> to. That it is not of " this " path as described and practiced here.

>

> Of course it is of your free will to investigate these areas and if

> you feel pulled to do so please take it off of this list. This is

> about " Kundalini " here. The safeties and a safe nurturing of a

flow.

> Very different from what Laura experienced.

>

> I have not attempted to strip Laura of her Kundalini flow. Not even

> sure that I can or would be allowed to. No accidents right? She is

> in the middle of a difficult process but it is her process! She

made

> choices, knowing or not, that placed her into these areas. There is

> goodness coming out of this pain but when it is your pain it can be

> very difficult to perceive.

>

> My activation was very similar. I was forced by entities to watch

my

> sister being beaten and raped. Then asked if I was with them or

> against them. Same with my mother. I tried to intervene but was

then

> taken to have my feet burned in an open fire. I know what this is

> like and there are many more examples that I will not relate.

>

> This doesn't happen here on this list, this group. If it can be

> helped and is why this group exists at all. My hardships into your

> happiness. That is the service.

>

> If people follow the protocols.

>

> Doesn't mean you won't have visions or experiences but it does mean

> you will have knowledge and information of an experiential quality

> to draw from and put into practice. You will reap what you so here.

> It does mean you will be surrounded by loving fellow travelers that

> are not interested in domination or power over you. This is a safe

> place.

>

> Kundalini can be very difficult without throwing in other systems

> that are often counter to what is taught here. I know the intention

> was to be of service and helpful and this is good. I have also

asked

> members not to mix in other systems and I ask this again.

>

> Laura will survive to tell the tales. She will come out of this

> very strong and able to help others. Some things need to be

> experienced. There is always an exit. I found this out. Hell is not

> forever.

>

> Laura can be helped but perhaps that help doesn't mean taking away

> the experience. It is still too soon to know what developments are

> in store for her in the future. There are other options. -

>

>