Some Clarification, ?

[Guest guest]

Chrism,

 

There seems to be some concern about the " Depth of Surrender "

necessary for Apprenticeship. Would it be possible for you to

elaborate?

 

My husband is also concerned. : ( He is worried that I might be

bringing undue stress upon my body. He pointed out that I am involved

in several projects already, and he isn't sure what is going to be

expected of me. When my stress level goes up, so do my thyroid

levels ...

 

Can you elucidate, in order to alleviate these apprehensions?

 

 

Blessings,

Fenix

[Guest guest]

It is as deep as you can make it. It is in an action based symbol of

your surrender to the Kundalini. A way of measuring your depth of

openness to the changes and to the levels of information I can give

and expect to see taken in by the apprentice.

 

I do not want to have to curb the teachings so much so that the

person will not do this but will do that and so forth. I ask for as

complete a surrender as possible and I give Becky's example as one

that has the depth and the clarity of what I feel is needed.

 

This isnt anything other than a master/chela relationship. -

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Pam "

<mystick53 wrote:

>

> Chrism,

>

> There seems to be some concern about the " Depth of Surrender "

> necessary for Apprenticeship. Would it be possible for you to

> elaborate?

>

> My husband is also concerned. : ( He is worried that I might be

> bringing undue stress upon my body. He pointed out that I am

involved

> in several projects already, and he isn't sure what is going to be

> expected of me. When my stress level goes up, so do my thyroid

> levels ...

>

> Can you elucidate, in order to alleviate these apprehensions?

>

>

> Blessings,

> Fenix

>

[Guest guest]

This is like no other experience in life as a consciousness in

bodies. It melds them and blends them together in such a way as to

create a oneness of being. Not a oneness in concept but the real

deal.

 

This can require the most sincere and intimate level of surrender.

As all of these areas of control will be changed.

 

It isn't an issue of Jim Jones like mind control cult abusiveness. I

am not a prophet or a dictator or a leader. I am not egomaniacal. I

am not charging or asking for money or things from anyone. The

seminars do incur charges so there money is being called for. But I

do not HAVE to do the seminars and haven't done one in over two

years.

 

A master/chela relationship goes to the heart of a persons control

issues. I have done my best to keep the information I give here as

much as possible, close to a western platform of expression. A

western mindset. Some aspects like surrender go sharply against the

grain. We can be a " never give in to nobody! " society and this is a

product of ego based survival traits. Not a bad thing as they do

protect us from those who would abuse us.

 

I have nothing to gain. If there is no money and no " Body " or other

material forms, where is the profit motive? Where is the " lets all

move to Central America and drink Kool-Aid mentality? Someone has

just asked me about the beginnings of this Kundalini group as it

grows into a community and they state -

 

" You have a very pure vision, but you need to keep in mind that

once a community starts establishing a structure, this inevitably

creates opportunities for power, inequality, and exploitation--and

this happens always again against the best intentions of all those

who are involved. "

 

So I am mindful of this.

 

Some people have helped " us " out with money us meaning the community

that is being birthed, and have given me gifts, some of which were

money. At the moment I have no income and have been pursuing this

more than working at a job as it would take time away from this. Yet

I am not on this group asking for handouts. And now I will refuse

the gifts even more ardently.

 

It's not about chrism.

 

When you surrender to me it isn't the me you have come to know as

a " me " . (i) do not write these essays or help to heal these people.

(I) do these things. Kundalini has caused a physical merging of

parts of the High Self for the introduction of this phase of

Kundalini information in a western mold as much as possible, for the

evolution into this state for as many as can have it, in the short

time I have to give it.

 

Your complete surrender to this process and these teachings are only

required for those who wish to teach this to others as well as lead

themselves into a merging with portions of their own High Self as

expressed through a Kundalini Awakened state of being.

 

You can have Kundalini with out surrendering to the teachings that

are being offered. Kundalini will happen without chrism's

involvement. Of that you can be sure! I am nothing and no one! How

it is understood and accepted is the only contribution I and i make.

Your free will is always complete. -

[Guest guest]

Chrism,

 

When I wrote the original post on this topic, I wasn't referring to

anything like " mind control cult abusiveness " , I was asking about

Preparation, Cleansing, etc. I was wondering if there were going to

be any special fasts, dietary restrictions, or exercises, like the 5

Tibetans. Maybe, I'm the only one who has to be concerned about

this, maybe not.

 

Last night, I read The 5 Tibetans. I noticed that it stated -

Special Conditions: Spinning and stretching through the following

exercises can aggravate certain health problems, such as ...

hyperthyroidism ...

 

I think that, in time, and with my doctor's permission, I can do

these exercises. My question was about - how soon - was I expected

to do them, as an Apprentice.

 

My husband's concern was about special fasts. Years ago, when he

lived in Hawaii, he joined a certain group. They were so zealous for

further Enlightenment that they fasted far too stringently. My

husband wound up in the hospital, and he nearly died. At the time,

he was also heavily into martial arts, and was in perfect health.

 

He is concerned about my health. I am concerned about getting into

something that I, possibly, cannot finish.

 

Namaste,

Fenix

 

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> This is like no other experience in life as a consciousness in

> bodies. It melds them and blends them together in such a way as to

> create a oneness of being. Not a oneness in concept but the real

> deal.

>

> This can require the most sincere and intimate level of surrender.

> As all of these areas of control will be changed.

>

> It isn't an issue of Jim Jones like mind control cult abusiveness.

I

> am not a prophet or a dictator or a leader. I am not egomaniacal. I

> am not charging or asking for money or things from anyone. The

> seminars do incur charges so there money is being called for. But I

> do not HAVE to do the seminars and haven't done one in over two

> years.

>

> A master/chela relationship goes to the heart of a persons control

> issues. I have done my best to keep the information I give here as

> much as possible, close to a western platform of expression. A

> western mindset. Some aspects like surrender go sharply against the

> grain. We can be a " never give in to nobody! " society and this is a

> product of ego based survival traits. Not a bad thing as they do

> protect us from those who would abuse us.

>

> I have nothing to gain. If there is no money and no " Body " or other

> material forms, where is the profit motive? Where is the " lets all

> move to Central America and drink Kool-Aid mentality? Someone has

> just asked me about the beginnings of this Kundalini group as it

> grows into a community and they state -

>

> " You have a very pure vision, but you need to keep in mind that

> once a community starts establishing a structure, this inevitably

> creates opportunities for power, inequality, and exploitation--and

> this happens always again against the best intentions of all those

> who are involved. "

>

> So I am mindful of this.

>

> Some people have helped " us " out with money us meaning the

community

> that is being birthed, and have given me gifts, some of which were

> money. At the moment I have no income and have been pursuing this

> more than working at a job as it would take time away from this.

Yet

> I am not on this group asking for handouts. And now I will refuse

> the gifts even more ardently.

>

> It's not about chrism.

>

> When you surrender to me it isn't the me you have come to know as

> a " me " . (i) do not write these essays or help to heal these people.

> (I) do these things. Kundalini has caused a physical merging of

> parts of the High Self for the introduction of this phase of

> Kundalini information in a western mold as much as possible, for

the

> evolution into this state for as many as can have it, in the short

> time I have to give it.

>

> Your complete surrender to this process and these teachings are

only

> required for those who wish to teach this to others as well as lead

> themselves into a merging with portions of their own High Self as

> expressed through a Kundalini Awakened state of being.

>

> You can have Kundalini with out surrendering to the teachings that

> are being offered. Kundalini will happen without chrism's

> involvement. Of that you can be sure! I am nothing and no one! How

> it is understood and accepted is the only contribution I and i

make.

> Your free will is always complete. -

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Pam,

Hello Pam I know the cult thing wasn't part of your

concerns but I did want to clarify that position for others.

 

Yes the Tibetans would be done but only according to the needs of

your special concerns. We are all different and so a form

of " customized " elements in the practice needs to be observed. What

is classified as hyperthyroidism is often Kundalini stimulation on

the ductless glands and endocrine system.

 

This can also cause hypothyroidism. They are not permanent

conditions unless the process is interrupted or a blockage occurs

that isn't taken care of. Surrendering again is hinted at in this

example.

 

It is interesting that some folks (not speaking directly to you here

Pam) are surprised that the Kundalini is so interpenetrating of all

the systems of the physical body. Almost as if they are looking for

something that leaves the physical alone (excepting cool spiritual

symptoms) and only allows for the New Age type of sparkling

sensations of phenomena without physical changes. Spiritual

Entertainment in other words. Kundalini, as you know Pam, goes much

farther and is more permanent. Though it can also be entertaining

lol.

 

Fasting isn't out of the realms of possibility but there isn't a

fanaticism with this. I do not stress it and advise it only if it is

safely able to be done by the person. Have you read the safeties?

 

Surrender is the most important aspect of the first part of the

apprenticeship program. Surrender to what is given internally and

externally. As far as you " being able to finish " you will go as far

as you wish to go inside of it. Your will and choices and surrender

will carve your experiences. - blessings -chrism

 

 

, " Pam "

<mystick53 wrote:

>

> Chrism,

>

> When I wrote the original post on this topic, I wasn't referring

to

> anything like " mind control cult abusiveness " ,

[Guest guest]

Hi Chrism,

 

Sorry about my delay in response to your acknowledgement of me as a

potential apprentice to you on the path of awakening. I've been busy moving in

the flow of it all. ;-)

 

As of the time of this writing, I formally accept your kind and generous

offer to assist me in the realisation of the very essence of that which I am. I

declare my complete and exhaustive surrender to this process and your guidance

to that end.

 

I have been attempting to achieve complete surrender and break the pattern

of ego for some time now. Thus, I gratefully accept from you any and all

assistance you can provide me. I very much look forward to the opportunity to

make use of your guidance, as I want nothing more in life than to fully awaken

and serve my fellow expressions of the Divine; and by extension, I am therefore

compelled to seek the assistance of an awakened teacher to that end.

 

Many thanks again!

 

I wonder would you tell us a little more about what in practical terms, this

apprenticeship would entail? You mentioned in a previous post, some of the more

dangerous practices / methods (for the serious and prepared aspirant)? How

might this apprenticeship work for me, given our spatial separation, assuming

you accept me?

 

In kind regards,

 

Adam.

 

 

[Guest guest]

When will the teaching commence?

Next March?

 

Many thanks

Elektra x x x

 

 

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[Guest guest]

After the Winter Solstice Shaktipat as the Scatterfields are released.

In the mean time pleaee prepare yourselves. Follow up on your oaths of

surrender by writing mr offlist as to what it is you are doing. Bring

the safeties into a daily practice if you havent already and constuct

a service based attitude with in your means for people who are

strangers to you.

 

These are as conditionings for a deeper understanding and a stronger

flow. If you do not have a flow at this time then there is the place

you need to start. This will come with the safeties and if needed the

Shaktipat. As long or as short as it takes. You will most certainly

know. -

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> When will the teaching commence?

>