Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Hi Everyone, Chrism, I may be nitpicking, as I know you cannot moniter every single statement you make, BUT you Have put youself out here. So.... Quote from Chrism: said - " If Kundalini is infusing and causing hyperthyroidism and you block that expression by taking a drug that thwarts that expression by artificially inserting an agent of control, a blockage can develop. @@ Not WILL But CAN develop. @@ Still, this is fear inducing. Why would you need to induce fear, unless you are trying to induce control? Also: " All of the symptoms you have just mentioned are Kundalini. So now you have the choice to hear the fear teachings and warnings from the MD's and respond to it or not. " @@ Where is it that I am giving a direction or an advice? I am listing options that I see are person specific to the individual not for all. There is no instuction at all being given about whether or not to take a medication. Choices are being enumerated. @@ Carol: All of the symptoms.....ARE kundalini. How can you possibly know that? That seems like a VERY irresponsible and dangerous statement to me. And who is doing the fear teaching? Do you really not see how this could induce fear? @@ I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it is Dr. Walters you should be studying with. @@ And how is this not meant to induce fear Chrism? The fear of rejection by you. Quote from Dr.: Follow your doctor's advice. Kundalini is the creative power of the Divine, Shakti, and will not be thwarted by what you need medically. Chrism Reply: @@ Perhaps, perhaps not. One cannot say for sure what the Shakti will do inside oif an individual withb precise clarity all the time. I have seen it work around certain severe injuries and conditions. I have seen it twisted by other medications into expressions of a very unpleasent nature. Your choice. @@ Chrism, again, I don't want to seem nitpicking, but these fear based responses are what I find to be a problem. I realize you are human. But that is exactly my problem. Surrender to another human. Perhaps if you could explain what is meant by Master/Chela relationship. I googled it and got mishmash. I have not been made aware of these terms and do not understand them. Perhaps this is my problem. Chrism, I do not mean to offend you, I have this fear you are gonna throw up your hands in frustration and just give all of us up. Please try to understand. Namaste, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 If I may jump in here . . . Chrism was stating what could happen; not trying to induce fear. Someone giving knowledge only empowers others. He is not a doctor, but I think it is a fair assessment to say he knows his chit when it comes to kundalini. He was simply saying that taking a medication when the symptoms are hyperthyroid v. k could cause a block. ALL medicines have side effects of one sort or another, a fact that even physicians tend to forget. I seriously doubt chrism is trying to induce fear or control others. Why would give of his time and knowledge freely if this were so? He was simply giving different scenarios of what ~might~ be happening. This is where it becomes tricky because there is a fine line which is not well demarcated between the esoteric and the mainstream and there is a great overlap in symptomotology. I don't think anyone has the definitive answer to these quagmires, it is therefore up to each individual to make their own choices and chrism aids in dispensing the information which may be k-related. Much Love, Melissa , " Carol S. Gunn " <cgunn1111 wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > Chrism, I may be nitpicking, as I know you cannot moniter every single statement you make, BUT you Have put youself out here. So.... > > Quote from Chrism: > said - > > " If Kundalini is infusing and causing hyperthyroidism and you > block that expression by taking a drug that thwarts that expression > by > artificially inserting an agent of control, a blockage can develop. > > @@ Not WILL But CAN develop. @@ > > Still, this is fear inducing. Why would you need to induce fear, unless you are trying to induce control? > > Also: > " All of the symptoms you have just mentioned are Kundalini. So now > you > have the choice to hear the fear teachings and warnings from the MD's > and respond to it or not. " > > @@ Where is it that I am giving a direction or an advice? I am > listing options that I see are person specific to the individual not > for all. There is no instuction at all being given about whether or > not to take a medication. Choices are being enumerated. @@ > > Carol: > All of the symptoms.....ARE kundalini. How can you possibly know that? That seems like a VERY irresponsible and dangerous statement to me. And who is doing the fear teaching? Do you really not see how this could induce fear? > > @@ I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it is Dr. > Walters you should be studying with. @@ > > And how is this not meant to induce fear Chrism? The fear of rejection by you. > > Quote from Dr.: > Follow your doctor's advice. Kundalini is the creative power of the > Divine, Shakti, and will not be thwarted by what you need medically. > > Reply: > @@ Perhaps, perhaps not. One cannot say for sure what the Shakti > will do inside oif an individual withb precise clarity all the time. > I have seen it work around certain severe injuries and conditions. I > have seen it twisted by other medications into expressions of a very > unpleasent nature. Your choice. @@ > > Chrism, again, I don't want to seem nitpicking, but these fear based responses are what I find to be a problem. I realize you are human. But that is exactly my problem. Surrender to another human. > > Perhaps if you could explain what is meant by Master/Chela relationship. I googled it and got mishmash. I have not been made aware of these terms and do not understand them. Perhaps this is my problem. > > Chrism, I do not mean to offend you, I have this fear you are gonna throw up your hands in frustration and just give all of us up. Please try to understand. Namaste, > Carol > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Melissa, You are an M.D. went over your head ... When we were discussing this on-line, last week, he suddenly sent me an e-mail, instructing me to over-look what you said. He was acting like a " doctor " . He has not " tested " me. How in the world could he possibly know, for sure, that my medical problems are nothing - but - Kundalini Symptoms???!!! I ask you, as a Medical Doctor, what kind of person has the right to instruct another to take Atomidine, and stop taking the prescribed medication? He can dance around - that - all he wants, but the e-mails speak for themselves. You said, yourself, NOT to take the Atomidine ... Namaste, Fenix , " Melissa " <mm7810 wrote: > > If I may jump in here . . . > > was stating what could happen; not trying to induce fear. > Someone giving knowledge only empowers others. He is not a doctor, > but I think it is a fair assessment to say he knows his chit when it > comes to kundalini. He was simply saying that taking a medication > when the symptoms are hyperthyroid v. k could cause a block. ALL > medicines have side effects of one sort or another, a fact that even > physicians tend to forget. I seriously doubt chrism is trying to > induce fear or control others. Why would give of his time and > knowledge freely if this were so? He was simply giving different > scenarios of what ~might~ be happening. This is where it becomes > tricky because there is a fine line which is not well demarcated > between the esoteric and the mainstream and there is a great overlap > in symptomotology. I don't think anyone has the definitive answer > to these quagmires, it is therefore up to each individual to make > their own choices and chrism aids in dispensing the information > which may be k-related. > > Much Love, > > Melissa > > , " Carol S. > Gunn " <cgunn1111@> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > Chrism, I may be nitpicking, as I know you cannot moniter every > single statement you make, BUT you Have put youself out here. So.... > > > > Quote from Chrism: > > said - > > > > " If Kundalini is infusing and causing hyperthyroidism and you > > block that expression by taking a drug that thwarts that > expression > > by > > artificially inserting an agent of control, a blockage can develop. > > > > @@ Not WILL But CAN develop. @@ > > > > Still, this is fear inducing. Why would you need to induce fear, > unless you are trying to induce control? > > > > Also: > > " All of the symptoms you have just mentioned are Kundalini. So now > > you > > have the choice to hear the fear teachings and warnings from the > MD's > > and respond to it or not. " > > > > @@ Where is it that I am giving a direction or an advice? I am > > listing options that I see are person specific to the individual > not > > for all. There is no instuction at all being given about whether > or > > not to take a medication. Choices are being enumerated. @@ > > > > Carol: > > All of the symptoms.....ARE kundalini. How can you possibly know > that? That seems like a VERY irresponsible and dangerous statement > to me. And who is doing the fear teaching? Do you really not see how > this could induce fear? > > > > @@ I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it is Dr. > > Walters you should be studying with. @@ > > > > And how is this not meant to induce fear Chrism? The fear of > rejection by you. > > > > Quote from Dr.: > > Follow your doctor's advice. Kundalini is the creative power of the > > Divine, Shakti, and will not be thwarted by what you need > medically. > > > > Reply: > > @@ Perhaps, perhaps not. One cannot say for sure what the Shakti > > will do inside oif an individual withb precise clarity all the > time. > > I have seen it work around certain severe injuries and conditions. > I > > have seen it twisted by other medications into expressions of a > very > > unpleasent nature. Your choice. @@ > > > > Chrism, again, I don't want to seem nitpicking, but these fear > based responses are what I find to be a problem. I realize you are > human. But that is exactly my problem. Surrender to another human. > > > > Perhaps if you could explain what is meant by Master/Chela > relationship. I googled it and got mishmash. I have not been made > aware of these terms and do not understand them. Perhaps this is my > problem. > > > > Chrism, I do not mean to offend you, I have this fear you are > gonna throw up your hands in frustration and just give all of us up. > Please try to understand. Namaste, > > Carol > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Dear Fenix - I stand FIRMLY by my statement not to take atomidine. It tests both as not not helpful for you and further, as harmful for you. I think sometimes someone may use something once with success, then proclaim it as the answer for eveyone else. Not saying that is what chrism is doing, but who knows? did not go over my head; he gave his OPINION. Please see the post I made on opinions and laugh. Chrism has tried to tell me to take something before as well; I muscle tested it and what I was using tested stronger, so I kept using it. End of story. I see him as a teacher that I can learn alot from, but I am not going to begin to act foolishly when I think different, and yes, I will and have argued with him in the past. You control your medical decisions. When he speaks of issues of surrender, I believe he means surrnder to shakti, kundalini, God, not a mortal, but he does direct from these forces on the mortal plane. Much Love, melissa , " Pam " <mystick53 wrote: > > Melissa, > > You are an M.D. went over your head ... When we were > discussing this on-line, last week, he suddenly sent me an e-mail, > instructing me to over-look what you said. He was acting like > a " doctor " . > > He has not " tested " me. How in the world could he possibly know, for > sure, that my medical problems are nothing - but - Kundalini > Symptoms???!!! I ask you, as a Medical Doctor, what kind of person > has the right to instruct another to take Atomidine, and stop taking > the prescribed medication? He can dance around - that - all he > wants, but the e-mails speak for themselves. > > You said, yourself, NOT to take the Atomidine ... > > Namaste, > Fenix > > > > , " Melissa " > <mm7810@> wrote: > > > > If I may jump in here . . . > > > > was stating what could happen; not trying to induce fear. > > Someone giving knowledge only empowers others. He is not a doctor, > > but I think it is a fair assessment to say he knows his chit when > it > > comes to kundalini. He was simply saying that taking a medication > > when the symptoms are hyperthyroid v. k could cause a block. ALL > > medicines have side effects of one sort or another, a fact that > even > > physicians tend to forget. I seriously doubt chrism is trying to > > induce fear or control others. Why would give of his time and > > knowledge freely if this were so? He was simply giving different > > scenarios of what ~might~ be happening. This is where it becomes > > tricky because there is a fine line which is not well demarcated > > between the esoteric and the mainstream and there is a great > overlap > > in symptomotology. I don't think anyone has the definitive answer > > to these quagmires, it is therefore up to each individual to make > > their own choices and chrism aids in dispensing the information > > which may be k-related. > > > > Much Love, > > > > Melissa > > > > , " Carol S. > > Gunn " <cgunn1111@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > Chrism, I may be nitpicking, as I know you cannot moniter every > > single statement you make, BUT you Have put youself out here. So.... > > > > > > Quote from Chrism: > > > said - > > > > > > " If Kundalini is infusing and causing hyperthyroidism and you > > > block that expression by taking a drug that thwarts that > > expression > > > by > > > artificially inserting an agent of control, a blockage can > develop. > > > > > > @@ Not WILL But CAN develop. @@ > > > > > > Still, this is fear inducing. Why would you need to induce fear, > > unless you are trying to induce control? > > > > > > Also: > > > " All of the symptoms you have just mentioned are Kundalini. So > now > > > you > > > have the choice to hear the fear teachings and warnings from the > > MD's > > > and respond to it or not. " > > > > > > @@ Where is it that I am giving a direction or an advice? I am > > > listing options that I see are person specific to the individual > > not > > > for all. There is no instuction at all being given about whether > > or > > > not to take a medication. Choices are being enumerated. @@ > > > > > > Carol: > > > All of the symptoms.....ARE kundalini. How can you possibly know > > that? That seems like a VERY irresponsible and dangerous statement > > to me. And who is doing the fear teaching? Do you really not see > how > > this could induce fear? > > > > > > @@ I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it is > Dr. > > > Walters you should be studying with. @@ > > > > > > And how is this not meant to induce fear Chrism? The fear of > > rejection by you. > > > > > > Quote from Dr.: > > > Follow your doctor's advice. Kundalini is the creative power of > the > > > Divine, Shakti, and will not be thwarted by what you need > > medically. > > > > > > Reply: > > > @@ Perhaps, perhaps not. One cannot say for sure what the Shakti > > > will do inside oif an individual withb precise clarity all the > > time. > > > I have seen it work around certain severe injuries and > conditions. > > I > > > have seen it twisted by other medications into expressions of a > > very > > > unpleasent nature. Your choice. @@ > > > > > > Chrism, again, I don't want to seem nitpicking, but these fear > > based responses are what I find to be a problem. I realize you are > > human. But that is exactly my problem. Surrender to another human. > > > > > > Perhaps if you could explain what is meant by Master/Chela > > relationship. I googled it and got mishmash. I have not been made > > aware of these terms and do not understand them. Perhaps this is my > > problem. > > > > > > Chrism, I do not mean to offend you, I have this fear you are > > gonna throw up your hands in frustration and just give all of us > up. > > Please try to understand. Namaste, > > > Carol > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Melissa, " has tried to tell me to take something before as well ... " Hmmmm ... ??? You are a Doctor ...!!! " I see him as a teacher that I can learn alot from ... " Noted. I agree with this. " I believe he means surrnder to shakti, kundalini, God, not a mortal ... " Okay! But, to me, he was coming on a little too strong. Then, when I objected, he literally turned on me, and said things about me that were Not true. He is STILL denying that he did anything out of line. Melissa, I am heart-sick from all of this. I am - still - having trouble, believing that this has happened! Love and Blessings, Fenix , " Melissa " <mm7810 wrote: > > Dear Fenix - > > I stand FIRMLY by my statement not to take atomidine. It tests both > as not not helpful for you and further, as harmful for you. I think > sometimes someone may use something once with success, then proclaim > it as the answer for eveyone else. Not saying that is what chrism > is doing, but who knows? did not go over my head; he gave > his OPINION. Please see the post I made on opinions and laugh. > > has tried to tell me to take something before as well; I > muscle tested it and what I was using tested stronger, so I kept > using it. End of story. I see him as a teacher that I can learn > alot from, but I am not going to begin to act foolishly when I think > different, and yes, I will and have argued with him in the past. > You control your medical decisions. When he speaks of issues of > surrender, I believe he means surrnder to shakti, kundalini, God, > not a mortal, but he does direct from these forces on the mortal > plane. > > Much Love, > > melissa > > , " Pam " > <mystick53@> wrote: > > > > Melissa, > > > > You are an M.D. went over your head ... When we were > > discussing this on-line, last week, he suddenly sent me an e- mail, > > instructing me to over-look what you said. He was acting like > > a " doctor " . > > > > He has not " tested " me. How in the world could he possibly know, > for > > sure, that my medical problems are nothing - but - Kundalini > > Symptoms???!!! I ask you, as a Medical Doctor, what kind of > person > > has the right to instruct another to take Atomidine, and stop > taking > > the prescribed medication? He can dance around - that - all he > > wants, but the e-mails speak for themselves. > > > > You said, yourself, NOT to take the Atomidine ... > > > > Namaste, > > Fenix > > > > > > > > , " Melissa " > > <mm7810@> wrote: > > > > > > If I may jump in here . . . > > > > > > was stating what could happen; not trying to induce > fear. > > > Someone giving knowledge only empowers others. He is not a > doctor, > > > but I think it is a fair assessment to say he knows his chit > when > > it > > > comes to kundalini. He was simply saying that taking a > medication > > > when the symptoms are hyperthyroid v. k could cause a block. > ALL > > > medicines have side effects of one sort or another, a fact that > > even > > > physicians tend to forget. I seriously doubt chrism is trying > to > > > induce fear or control others. Why would give of his time and > > > knowledge freely if this were so? He was simply giving > different > > > scenarios of what ~might~ be happening. This is where it > becomes > > > tricky because there is a fine line which is not well demarcated > > > between the esoteric and the mainstream and there is a great > > overlap > > > in symptomotology. I don't think anyone has the definitive > answer > > > to these quagmires, it is therefore up to each individual to > make > > > their own choices and chrism aids in dispensing the information > > > which may be k-related. > > > > > > Much Love, > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > , " Carol S. > > > Gunn " <cgunn1111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Chrism, I may be nitpicking, as I know you cannot moniter > every > > > single statement you make, BUT you Have put youself out here. > So.... > > > > > > > > Quote from Chrism: > > > > said - > > > > > > > > " If Kundalini is infusing and causing hyperthyroidism and you > > > > block that expression by taking a drug that thwarts that > > > expression > > > > by > > > > artificially inserting an agent of control, a blockage can > > develop. > > > > > > > > @@ Not WILL But CAN develop. @@ > > > > > > > > Still, this is fear inducing. Why would you need to induce > fear, > > > unless you are trying to induce control? > > > > > > > > Also: > > > > " All of the symptoms you have just mentioned are Kundalini. So > > now > > > > you > > > > have the choice to hear the fear teachings and warnings from > the > > > MD's > > > > and respond to it or not. " > > > > > > > > @@ Where is it that I am giving a direction or an advice? I am > > > > listing options that I see are person specific to the > individual > > > not > > > > for all. There is no instuction at all being given about > whether > > > or > > > > not to take a medication. Choices are being enumerated. @@ > > > > > > > > Carol: > > > > All of the symptoms.....ARE kundalini. How can you possibly > know > > > that? That seems like a VERY irresponsible and dangerous > statement > > > to me. And who is doing the fear teaching? Do you really not see > > how > > > this could induce fear? > > > > > > > > @@ I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it is > > Dr. > > > > Walters you should be studying with. @@ > > > > > > > > And how is this not meant to induce fear Chrism? The fear of > > > rejection by you. > > > > > > > > Quote from Dr.: > > > > Follow your doctor's advice. Kundalini is the creative power > of > > the > > > > Divine, Shakti, and will not be thwarted by what you need > > > medically. > > > > > > > > Reply: > > > > @@ Perhaps, perhaps not. One cannot say for sure what the > Shakti > > > > will do inside oif an individual withb precise clarity all the > > > time. > > > > I have seen it work around certain severe injuries and > > conditions. > > > I > > > > have seen it twisted by other medications into expressions of > a > > > very > > > > unpleasent nature. Your choice. @@ > > > > > > > > Chrism, again, I don't want to seem nitpicking, but these fear > > > based responses are what I find to be a problem. I realize you > are > > > human. But that is exactly my problem. Surrender to another > human. > > > > > > > > Perhaps if you could explain what is meant by Master/Chela > > > relationship. I googled it and got mishmash. I have not been > made > > > aware of these terms and do not understand them. Perhaps this is > my > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Chrism, I do not mean to offend you, I have this fear you are > > > gonna throw up your hands in frustration and just give all of us > > up. > > > Please try to understand. Namaste, > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Hi Fenix - I understand the heartwrenching pain that can be felt when a trusted teacher seems to come off on a different note than what you expecteed and I am very sorry you are feeling that right now. I am sure chrism will join us in taking a big breath and just releasing all the back and forth bickering. Now, starting over. He gave an opinion. Opinions can be good or they can stink. Now do what you want with the opinion (bin it probably). Next issue - treat the hyperthyroid as you see fit. Next issue - recognize that the hypeer thyroid may be k masqerading as a medical issue and proceed with the safeties. Final issue - Proceed with the safeties anyway and meditate! In Love, Melissa , " Pam " <mystick53 wrote: > > Melissa, > > " has tried to tell me to take something before as well ... " > > Hmmmm ... ??? You are a Doctor ...!!! > > " I see him as a teacher that I can learn alot from ... " > > Noted. I agree with this. > > " I believe he means surrnder to shakti, kundalini, God, not a > mortal ... " > > Okay! But, to me, he was coming on a little too strong. Then, when > I objected, he literally turned on me, and said things about me that > were Not true. He is STILL denying that he did anything out of line. > > Melissa, I am heart-sick from all of this. I am - still - having > trouble, believing that this has happened! > > > Love and Blessings, > Fenix > > > > , " Melissa " > <mm7810@> wrote: > > > > Dear Fenix - > > > > I stand FIRMLY by my statement not to take atomidine. It tests > both > > as not not helpful for you and further, as harmful for you. I > think > > sometimes someone may use something once with success, then > proclaim > > it as the answer for eveyone else. Not saying that is what chrism > > is doing, but who knows? did not go over my head; he gave > > his OPINION. Please see the post I made on opinions and laugh. > > > > has tried to tell me to take something before as well; I > > muscle tested it and what I was using tested stronger, so I kept > > using it. End of story. I see him as a teacher that I can learn > > alot from, but I am not going to begin to act foolishly when I > think > > different, and yes, I will and have argued with him in the past. > > You control your medical decisions. When he speaks of issues of > > surrender, I believe he means surrnder to shakti, kundalini, God, > > not a mortal, but he does direct from these forces on the mortal > > plane. > > > > Much Love, > > > > melissa > > > > , " Pam " > > <mystick53@> wrote: > > > > > > Melissa, > > > > > > You are an M.D. went over your head ... When we were > > > discussing this on-line, last week, he suddenly sent me an e- > mail, > > > instructing me to over-look what you said. He was acting like > > > a " doctor " . > > > > > > He has not " tested " me. How in the world could he possibly know, > > for > > > sure, that my medical problems are nothing - but - Kundalini > > > Symptoms???!!! I ask you, as a Medical Doctor, what kind of > > person > > > has the right to instruct another to take Atomidine, and stop > > taking > > > the prescribed medication? He can dance around - that - all he > > > wants, but the e-mails speak for themselves. > > > > > > You said, yourself, NOT to take the Atomidine ... > > > > > > Namaste, > > > Fenix > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " Melissa " > > > <mm7810@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If I may jump in here . . . > > > > > > > > was stating what could happen; not trying to induce > > fear. > > > > Someone giving knowledge only empowers others. He is not a > > doctor, > > > > but I think it is a fair assessment to say he knows his chit > > when > > > it > > > > comes to kundalini. He was simply saying that taking a > > medication > > > > when the symptoms are hyperthyroid v. k could cause a block. > > ALL > > > > medicines have side effects of one sort or another, a fact that > > > even > > > > physicians tend to forget. I seriously doubt chrism is trying > > to > > > > induce fear or control others. Why would give of his time and > > > > knowledge freely if this were so? He was simply giving > > different > > > > scenarios of what ~might~ be happening. This is where it > > becomes > > > > tricky because there is a fine line which is not well > demarcated > > > > between the esoteric and the mainstream and there is a great > > > overlap > > > > in symptomotology. I don't think anyone has the definitive > > answer > > > > to these quagmires, it is therefore up to each individual to > > make > > > > their own choices and chrism aids in dispensing the information > > > > which may be k-related. > > > > > > > > Much Love, > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > , " Carol S. > > > > Gunn " <cgunn1111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > Chrism, I may be nitpicking, as I know you cannot moniter > > every > > > > single statement you make, BUT you Have put youself out here. > > So.... > > > > > > > > > > Quote from Chrism: > > > > > said - > > > > > > > > > > " If Kundalini is infusing and causing hyperthyroidism and you > > > > > block that expression by taking a drug that thwarts that > > > > expression > > > > > by > > > > > artificially inserting an agent of control, a blockage can > > > develop. > > > > > > > > > > @@ Not WILL But CAN develop. @@ > > > > > > > > > > Still, this is fear inducing. Why would you need to induce > > fear, > > > > unless you are trying to induce control? > > > > > > > > > > Also: > > > > > " All of the symptoms you have just mentioned are Kundalini. > So > > > now > > > > > you > > > > > have the choice to hear the fear teachings and warnings from > > the > > > > MD's > > > > > and respond to it or not. " > > > > > > > > > > @@ Where is it that I am giving a direction or an advice? I > am > > > > > listing options that I see are person specific to the > > individual > > > > not > > > > > for all. There is no instuction at all being given about > > whether > > > > or > > > > > not to take a medication. Choices are being enumerated. @@ > > > > > > > > > > Carol: > > > > > All of the symptoms.....ARE kundalini. How can you possibly > > know > > > > that? That seems like a VERY irresponsible and dangerous > > statement > > > > to me. And who is doing the fear teaching? Do you really not > see > > > how > > > > this could induce fear? > > > > > > > > > > @@ I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it > is > > > Dr. > > > > > Walters you should be studying with. @@ > > > > > > > > > > And how is this not meant to induce fear Chrism? The fear of > > > > rejection by you. > > > > > > > > > > Quote from Dr.: > > > > > Follow your doctor's advice. Kundalini is the creative power > > of > > > the > > > > > Divine, Shakti, and will not be thwarted by what you need > > > > medically. > > > > > > > > > > Reply: > > > > > @@ Perhaps, perhaps not. One cannot say for sure what the > > Shakti > > > > > will do inside oif an individual withb precise clarity all > the > > > > time. > > > > > I have seen it work around certain severe injuries and > > > conditions. > > > > I > > > > > have seen it twisted by other medications into expressions of > > a > > > > very > > > > > unpleasent nature. Your choice. @@ > > > > > > > > > > Chrism, again, I don't want to seem nitpicking, but these > fear > > > > based responses are what I find to be a problem. I realize you > > are > > > > human. But that is exactly my problem. Surrender to another > > human. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps if you could explain what is meant by Master/Chela > > > > relationship. I googled it and got mishmash. I have not been > > made > > > > aware of these terms and do not understand them. Perhaps this > is > > my > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Chrism, I do not mean to offend you, I have this fear you are > > > > gonna throw up your hands in frustration and just give all of > us > > > up. > > > > Please try to understand. Namaste, > > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Guru/Chela relationship takes quite a bit of explaining,it is not something most people have come across. Then when it is explained it takes a while to digest all the implications. Its not for everyone. Igor. : cgunn1111: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:58:06 -0700 Chrism-Statements Hi Everyone,Chrism, I may be nitpicking, as I know you cannot moniter every single statement you make, BUT you Have put youself out here. So....Quote from Chrism:Chrism said - " If Kundalini is infusing and causing hyperthyroidism and youblock that expression by taking a drug that thwarts that expression byartificially inserting an agent of control, a blockage can develop.@@ Not WILL But CAN develop. @@Still, this is fear inducing. Why would you need to induce fear, unless you are trying to induce control? Also: " All of the symptoms you have just mentioned are Kundalini. So now youhave the choice to hear the fear teachings and warnings from the MD'sand respond to it or not. " @@ Where is it that I am giving a direction or an advice? I am listing options that I see are person specific to the individual not for all. There is no instuction at all being given about whether or not to take a medication. Choices are being enumerated. @@Carol:All of the symptoms.....ARE kundalini. How can you possibly know that? That seems like a VERY irresponsible and dangerous statement to me. And who is doing the fear teaching? Do you really not see how this could induce fear?@@ I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it is Dr. Walters you should be studying with. @@And how is this not meant to induce fear Chrism? The fear of rejection by you.Quote from Dr.: Follow your doctor's advice. Kundalini is the creative power of theDivine, Shakti, and will not be thwarted by what you need medically.Chrism Reply:@@ Perhaps, perhaps not. One cannot say for sure what the Shakti will do inside oif an individual withb precise clarity all the time. I have seen it work around certain severe injuries and conditions. I have seen it twisted by other medications into expressions of a very unpleasent nature. Your choice. @@Chrism, again, I don't want to seem nitpicking, but these fear based responses are what I find to be a problem. I realize you are human. But that is exactly my problem. Surrender to another human.Perhaps if you could explain what is meant by Master/Chela relationship. I googled it and got mishmash. I have not been made aware of these terms and do not understand them. Perhaps this is my problem. Chrism, I do not mean to offend you, I have this fear you are gonna throw up your hands in frustration and just give all of us up. Please try to understand. Namaste,Carol[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Express yourself with free Messenger emoticons. Get them today! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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