Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Chrism, " Corrections need to be made and I do not have a fondness for statements that are being mistakenly or falsely given as mine, to go uncorrected. " I agree. Let's review ... ; ) Yesterday, you asked my husband and me to meet you in Oklahoma. Then, you invite him to join this group. Suddenly, you did a complete turn around, and you said that I - " ... so severely misread and manufactured my writings about your condition into this horrid array of untruths ... " ????!!! Now - you are saying that - " I didn't have time to make that response earlier as it takes quite some time for me to form those responses. I am slow. " Oh ... I was wondering if you were having severe mood swings. Your attitude certainly changed. I thought that I had misjudged you, because, earlier, you seemed to show so much dignity, understanding, and love ... I had decided to suspend judgement until the Oklahoma meeting. Back to the matter at hand ... In addition to all of your posts at this list that I have brought to your attention, in an e-mail you sent to me, Oct. 16, you said - Fenix 10/16/2007 7:49:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time mystick53 " Go ahead and try the Atomidine. Melissa uses the testing method that is closely tied into how she may feel about a product. You may be aware of these testing methods where the little finger is used to pull through another finger for a yes or no question to be answered. Melissa is an MD, board certified and she will have conscious and unconsciou issues with treatments that are not familiar to her and these feelings can bleed over into an opinion that can nullify these types of testing procedures. - my take on that - I have used Atomidine myself and can attest to its effectiveness. - blessings - chrism " Sent from the Internet (details) Return-Path: <> Received: from rly-xa04.mx.aol.com (rly-xa04.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.40]) by air-xa02.mail.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILINXA24-6a47155c0163; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:49:16 -0400 Received: from n26b.bullet.sp1. (n26b.bullet.sp1. [209.131.38.241]) by rly-xa04.mx.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXA46-6a47155c0163; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:49:05 -0400 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam./domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=; b=AoVm5K4Ho0pub444mwCAWZcXcE/xVqKaZC0wlIbRhiJ8RGMot/ocd0OFHFZmXNyF0uEM NkfOTYrFLLoH1QEsBsif8b5LB9YeVAh+a2Fha/6P/pR/z2nnedikwt7LY0e8; Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n26.bullet.sp1. with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 00:49:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1. with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 00:49:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd. with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2007 00:49:04 -0000 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:49:03 -0000 " chrism " <> mystick53 Fenix Message-ID: <ff3m5v+i6ud (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset= " ISO-8859-1 " Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Message Poster X--Post-IP: 70.132.9.220 X--Newman-Property: groups-compose Sender: notify X-AOL-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:394737696:9395240 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : This sounds as if you are going over an M.D.'s head, and giving me medical advice, doesn't it? In another e-mail, you said - Re: Fenix 10/17/2007 3:26:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time mystick53 " Do your research dear friend. Make the needed effort and research also nwhat is being given as to the cause of your issue. If the medication is working then why are you not coming into range? Yes the tests may have supported his theory but he doesn't understand the Kundalini. Melissa doesn't either though she is going to. She is a beginner on this path. Read the Cayce literature on the ARE site about your particular issue it is there. Keep me apprised of how you are feeling and what you are doing dear friend. " Sent from the Internet (details) Return-Path: <> Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILINMF032-97647166fa526e; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:26:31 -0400 Received: from web37511.mail.mud. (web37511.mail.mud. [209.191.91.158]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF084-97647166fa526e; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:25:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 21692 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2007 20:25:08 - 0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:Subject:To:In-MIME- Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tfT4Eg1gk+o9gUo+f0DspA82BMgqT4JrkcGgL5o3B4KEsEitM0Dz5hvCPtFhq5OCeK1h vOVPQXb7LupQnW+Fa2srrNPcmboRRYiJFT7evmNDHdHptfzUDxbJDX8fMRHdtJmLjZbAKf TGiX6anibD6rM2MByUeVUM77Z07h1te7w=; X-YMail-OSG: v6QfUUsVM1k9g44jGw4oB1ieD8BaAX6aRG6fMQuTiiUNMAVpe0ZpCDXaM.L59YB5.Q-- Received: from [70.132.9.220] by web37511.mail.mud. via HTTP; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:25:08 PDT Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:25:08 -0700 (PDT) <> Re: Fenix MYSTICK53 In-<d64.14b2b0e7.34476d17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary= " 0-580618446- 1192652708=:21407 " Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <503467.21407.qm X-AOL-IP: 209.191.91.158 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE:1:2:472439072:9395240 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : Some clarity - " his " in this e-mail means - my doctor. BTW, there is no Cayce literature on Hyperthyroidism, and Atomidine is ONLY recommended for Hypothyroidism. Now, if this doesn't sound as if you are continuing to give me medical advice, over and beyond what my doctor, as well as Melissa said, then grits ain't groceries ... You are the teacher here. You have said - " An apprentice program is available for those who can so totally and completely surrender to the Kundalini and the safeties as instructed by my self(ves) that they wish to " teach others " and further themselves on this path in the giving and receiving of service. This requires meeting in person with me and a signed contract of expressed desire and willingness to surrender to these teachings and surrenderings. This requires a level of commitment so very deep and a level of service to others that is tactile and unflinching here on this and other groups and to the KAS1 community and your community at large, as directed by myself. This is so strong and so very committed that I do not expect many takers. Its a rough program. I am a very strict and results oriented teacher! - lol - chrism " " Please read Beckys declaration of surrender thoroughly and feel if this is a degree of surrender that you can match or be comfortable with. If so, in your own words, write a similar declaration that covers the same degree of surrender and dedication to the process and the teachings and the light behind your eyes. " " Please be aware of the level of surrender needed. Please understand that wanting is very different from having. " You have - repeatedly - stressed the fact that you are a Very Strict teacher, and the Apprenticeship demands obedience. You told me that my doctor's treatment of my condition wasn't working (SEE ABOVE ^), and he didn't " understand " , and you told me to " go ahead and try the Atomidine " (SEE ABOVE ^). Sounded like an order to me. Sounded like you were " giving a direction " . BTW, I wrote my Declaration - twice. Then, I got an e-mail from you, and you said - " Please be as descriptive and detailed - in your words - like Becky was. Go as deep and as open as you can at this time be. I feel a slight reticence from you in this regard. Its not easy so go as far as you can go and still back it up honestly and with active experience as you surrender deeper then you have ever gone before. " A " slight reticence " ???!!! Then, another e-mail - " Please use your full birth name in your declaration and write it in a way that covers the intentions becky used in hers if you feel as strongly about this as is needed for a stronger exposure. " I started getting the feeling that you were becoming A Little Controlling. I noticed that out of the many Declarations, only two, I believe, were made in the form you required from me. Why is that? " This Dr. Walters is erring on the side of caution as determined by the medical community which doesnt understand Kundalini, doesnt even admit to its existence, and has no reference for it in the proffesional literature that they base most of their opinions on. " Kinda sounds like damned good advice to me, Chrism. Caution is Good. " Baba said it so it must be true. To use a Guru to support a position of me as an irresponsible teacher (Guru) because I have offered options mis interpreted as advice is unfortunate. At least one could have used one of the better teachers. - lol " . Uhhh ... I took this straight off a page at that web site! This is not some kind of reference to you being " an irresponsible teacher " ! Everything taken from Dr. Walters is From - THE WEB PAGE. I was simply trying to show that there were other knowledgeable opinions, and they stated that discontinuing my medication wasn't necessary. " It isn't legal for me to take full responsibility for your well being for a condition that is not accepted by science. " Hyperthyroidism - is - accepted by science. Duh? Or, are you playing doctor again, and diagnosing me? " Obviously this person wasn't given the facts as I am not teaching Kundalini Yoga at all! These are not Yoga teachings. " This is a questions of semantics, and an attempt to cloud the issue. However, you are emphasizing The 5 Tibetans, No? The 5 Tibetans = Yoga. You recently said to Becky - " It isn't about personalities or egos. " Then, to me - " So proceed with your sadhana as you see fit. Make sure that you call up and write these folks when ever you have an issue with anything I say. I look forward to how they re interpret it. " " I am not depriving you of your medicine. Perhaps then it is Dr. Walters you should be studying with. " " You have found a home with Dr. Edwards and Dr. Walters and the support center they have and these are viable options for you to take. I hope you do so. " Sounds like you have a bruised ego. These are very emotional statements. Very unworthy of you, a teacher. It's interesting to me, that in the short time I have been at this list, whenever another teacher comes up, you have attempted to discredit that teacher. Seems like you present yourself as one of the Few True Teachers. " Yes I do not enjoy having to warn people about the mistakes being perptrated by another so called " awakened " individual but the prevented damage is more than worth it. " " Baba said it so it must be true ... At least one could have used one of the better teachers. " " She is largely responsible for some unfortunate Kundalini activations. She is a sexual and energetic dominatrix with an agenda. She admits this. I'm not being creative. Her Bondage and slavery issues are well known. Though she tries to downplay them now. I believe she is recruiting for her Fire Tantra students so be advised. " " Her site can produce some interesting information and I would exercise caution with regards to any interaction with her or her information and students as she is as interested in your energy as any astral entity that feeds on others. I have found hers and others systems similar to hers to be more cannibalistic in that eating the Kundalini babies is encouraged. Meaning those newly awakened. This can have the effect of a newly awakened person losing a part of their energetic identity in a way similar to what soul retrieval is about. " " Yes it s a big aquarium and there are predators. Don't be frightened and don't be discouraged. This is an aspect of existence in the levels slightly outside of the norm. In many ways a reflection of our predatorial world. " " I say these things to offer you guidance about my research and readings of her site and those who have direct interaction with her and her students. I have also observed her behaviors in this area. She is not alone though she is one of the more predatorial. There are others. If your choice is abrogated by virtue of her energetic abilities then you are essentially entrapped and must find the way out. Not always an easy thing. " I guess we can add Dr. Lawrence Edwards, Ph.D. and Dorothy Walters, Ph.D. to this list of unworthy and horrific teachers. And, finally, you said, in a post - " ... so just be careful about any agreements you make with anyone you havent developed a strong secure feeling or relationship with. Including myself as I am sure there are people who clash with many of my recommendations. " Best advice I've heard in quite some time ... I don't understand how you could have forgotten all of the things that you have said to me, just a few days ago! Bad memory? And, I Really don't appreciate it when you say that I " manufactured " your writings, and then, labelled me as a person who states " untruths " . The evidence speaks for itself, Chrism. I respect your Path, and I respect the Paths of all of the others at this group. Go forth, and teach. I have full confidence that I can tread this Path alone, if necessary. Namaste, Fenix BTW - My husband's name is NOT " Rex " . That is his on-line screen name ... : ) !!!!!!!!! (laughing!) , " chrism " <> wrote: > > I didn't have time to make that response earlier as it takes quite > some time for me to form those responses. I am slow. > > I have no problem with Pam. I feel she is a good and well meaning > person as is her husband Rex. I am still willing to meet them. And I > can say that about her and still express my issue about what was > written and mistakenly attributed to me. > > I will not allow words or sentiments that I have not voiced or written > or stated to be given as my own opinion. Corrections need to be made > and I do not have a fondness for statements that are being mistakenly > or falsely given as mine, to go uncorrected. It is as simple as that. > blessings all - chrism > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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