Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 If you find it so uncomfortable here based on what I have written. You are free to leave. The other K support center will welcome you with open arms. I stand by what I have written, in the context of what was written and in response to what you have written. You flew off the handle Pam and added content to what I was saying. You did this to me and I have called you on it. Projecting your feelings and meanings into the words of another to support your position at the sacrifice of the writings given isn't being fair or honest. It's a form of fabrication whether that was your intention or not. It is forgiven and did need to be balanced. I had to make the corrections Pam. You made your corrosive statements, your hurtful statements. Bowing out of the apprenticeship program not with grace but with anger and vindictiveness. And then you were all about moving forward and not counting yourself out just yet we may be on the same page etc. Now you complain about being impugned. Back and forth. You will be struggling with your extremes for quite a while. You may want to look for some balance emotionally but you are caught in a swirl or whirlpool of extremes and opposites and not all of them are your fault though your decisions drive you towards them. It is classic Kundalini Pam. So my hope is that you will find, with your wonderful husband, a way of joy and peace as you traverse these difficult areas. Venugopal is correct. Kundalini is a dangerous situation. All the more so because we are not commonly willing or able to balance the emotional body. I hope you can do this. Now I can get over these issues and continue on. Can you? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Chrism, " You are free to leave " . So, you are asking me to leave? " You flew off the handle Pam and added content to what I was saying. " No, Chrism. I added NOTHING to what you said to me. Your words to me - in private - have been exposed for the group to see for themselves. I have done nothing to you, but react to the directions you thoughtlessly gave to me. It is you who have hurt me. Projecting? Fabrication? Corrosive statements? Hurtful statements? More fabrication? Those are a lot of allegations. Could you possibly be a little more precise in what you are referring to? " Now I can get over these issues and continue on. Can you? " HOW - can you " get over these issues and continue on " - as a Teacher, when you have been - Nailed ... Don't you think that you are responsible for the things that you say, and teach? Or, have you ceased being human? And - Somehow, you are above the rest of us, and don't have to answer for your lapses in judgement? No, Chrism. I am waiting for the apology that is due me ... Kundalini-Awakening-Systems1 , " chrism " <> wrote: > > If you find it so uncomfortable here based on what I have written. > You are free to leave. The other K support center will welcome you > with open arms. I stand by what I have written, in the context of > what was written and in response to what you have written. > > You flew off the handle Pam and added content to what I was saying. > You did this to me and I have called you on it. Projecting your > feelings and meanings into the words of another to support your > position at the sacrifice of the writings given isn't being fair or > honest. It's a form of fabrication whether that was your intention > or not. It is forgiven and did need to be balanced. > > I had to make the corrections Pam. You made your corrosive > statements, your hurtful statements. Bowing out of the > apprenticeship program not with grace but with anger and > fabrication. And then you were all about moving forward and not > counting yourself out just yet we may be on the same page etc. > > Now you complain about being impugned. > > Back and forth. You will be struggling with your extremes for quite > a while. You may want to look for some balance emotionally but you > are caught in a swirl or whirlpool of extremes and opposites and not > all of them are your fault though your decisions drive you towards > them. It is classic Kundalini Pam. > > So my hope is that you will find, with your wonderful husband, a way > of joy and peace as you traverse these difficult areas. Venugopal is > correct. Kundalini is a dangerous situation. All the more so because > we are not commonly willing or able to balance the emotional body. I > hope you can do this. > > Now I can get over these issues and continue on. Can you? - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 This what Im writing about Pam. I say: " You are free to leave " . You say: So, you are asking me to leave? This is the beginning of a twist in what is being communicated. Changing a statement into an implied but unarticulated command that is far from the statement written. This is what you have done and its called " projecting " . This can mean that you are only reading what you want to read regardless of what is actually being communicated. You can stay or go. You indicated to Becky that you must leave so this is where that idea came from - you. - c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Chrism, Don't try to turn my words against me. It's unworthy of you, a teacher. You said, " You are free to leave " . What would be the usual response to a statement such as that? Obviously, just what my reaction was. And, don't patronize me. I know what " projecting " means. Why haven't you addressed the Real Issue here? That you gave me " medical advice " , and when I reacted, you said that I was twisting your words. You are still maintaining that it is I, who is in the wrong, not you ... , " chrism " <> wrote: > > This what Im writing about Pam. I say: > > " You are free to leave " . > > You say: > > So, you are asking me to leave? > > This is the beginning of a twist in what is being communicated. > Changing a statement into an implied but unarticulated command that is > far from the statement written. This is what you have done and its > called " projecting " . This can mean that you are only reading what you > want to read regardless of what is actually being communicated. > > You can stay or go. You indicated to Becky that you must leave so this > is where that idea came from - you. - c > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 The mistake was opening up the apprenticeship program with out parameters. And for that I am truly remorseful! - lol. - Please feel free to vent at me if you must Pam. I feel you are a good person in the midst of emotional volcanism. Have you tried jogging? - c , " Pam " <mystick53 wrote: > > Chrism, > > Don't try to turn my words against me. It's unworthy of you, a > teacher. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Pam, I usually stay out of these types of misunderstnadings, especially when they do not involve me directly. IMHO what you have said has not " nailed " Chrism. All I see is person who has misunderstood what has been said, most likey because you are new here and have not had time to really get to know Chrism, so you have taken some things in the wrong way and are acting out of anger and hurt. If you " really " knew him, you would not get affended from his making the statement that you are free to leave and all the other statements he has made to you. It takes time to " really " know a person and how they phrase their words. Hehe! Especailly a fully awakened K " enlightened " person. MHO ! does not force anyone to to anything. If you " really " knew him, you would know that and would not have taken the words he spoke in such a wrong way. The words you said to Becky, to me you were belittling her because she is not as old as you or have been through as much as you, even though you have not ideal whatsoever she has been through. The last statement you made to Melissa was uncalled for, as well, IMHO. All I see is that you are acting out of a lack of understanding. I hope you will stay around and take it slow. No one is pushing you to do anything. The apprenticeship program isn't for everyone, only those who are ready. Much love, Linda , " Pam " <mystick53 wrote: > > Chrism, > > " You are free to leave " . > > So, you are asking me to leave? > > " You flew off the handle Pam and added content to what I was saying. " > > No, Chrism. I added NOTHING to what you said to me. Your words to > me - in private - have been exposed for the group to see for > themselves. I have done nothing to you, but react to the directions > you thoughtlessly gave to me. It is you who have hurt me. > > Projecting? Fabrication? Corrosive statements? Hurtful statements? > More fabrication? Those are a lot of allegations. Could you > possibly be a little more precise in what you are referring to? > > " Now I can get over these issues and continue on. Can you? " > > HOW - can you " get over these issues and continue on " - as a Teacher, > when you have been - Nailed ... Don't you think that you are > responsible for the things that you say, and teach? Or, have you > ceased being human? And - Somehow, you are above the rest of us, and > don't have to answer for your lapses in judgement? > > No, Chrism. I am waiting for the apology that is due me ... > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems1 , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > If you find it so uncomfortable here based on what I have written. > > You are free to leave. The other K support center will welcome you > > with open arms. I stand by what I have written, in the context of > > what was written and in response to what you have written. > > > > You flew off the handle Pam and added content to what I was saying. > > You did this to me and I have called you on it. Projecting your > > feelings and meanings into the words of another to support your > > position at the sacrifice of the writings given isn't being fair or > > honest. It's a form of fabrication whether that was your intention > > or not. It is forgiven and did need to be balanced. > > > > I had to make the corrections Pam. You made your corrosive > > statements, your hurtful statements. Bowing out of the > > apprenticeship program not with grace but with anger and > > fabrication. And then you were all about moving forward and not > > counting yourself out just yet we may be on the same page etc. > > > > Now you complain about being impugned. > > > > Back and forth. You will be struggling with your extremes for quite > > a while. You may want to look for some balance emotionally but you > > are caught in a swirl or whirlpool of extremes and opposites and > not > > all of them are your fault though your decisions drive you towards > > them. It is classic Kundalini Pam. > > > > So my hope is that you will find, with your wonderful husband, a > way > > of joy and peace as you traverse these difficult areas. Venugopal > is > > correct. Kundalini is a dangerous situation. All the more so > because > > we are not commonly willing or able to balance the emotional body. > I > > hope you can do this. > > > > Now I can get over these issues and continue on. Can you? - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Dearest Pam. This conversation is draining. Please, let's call it quits on this thread and/or email to the persons personally. I do hope things get resolved and I wish you peace, as well as health. blessings Lisa ---- Pam <mystick53 wrote: > Chrism, > > Don't try to turn my words against me. It's unworthy of you, a > teacher. > > You said, " You are free to leave " . What would be the usual response > to a statement such as that? Obviously, just what my reaction was. > > And, don't patronize me. I know what " projecting " means. > > Why haven't you addressed the Real Issue here? That you gave > me " medical advice " , and when I reacted, you said that I was twisting > your words. You are still maintaining that it is I, who is in the > wrong, not you ... > > > > > , " chrism " > <> wrote: > > > > This what Im writing about Pam. I say: > > > > " You are free to leave " . > > > > You say: > > > > So, you are asking me to leave? > > > > This is the beginning of a twist in what is being communicated. > > Changing a statement into an implied but unarticulated command that > is > > far from the statement written. This is what you have done and its > > called " projecting " . This can mean that you are only reading what > you > > want to read regardless of what is actually being communicated. > > > > You can stay or go. You indicated to Becky that you must leave so > this > > is where that idea came from - you. - c > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Pam, I have twenty some more messages to get through and this one was my breaking point. I can barely continue to read these messages as the negativity is emanating from them. I feel it is improper to share private emails with others. I am shocked that all of this is posted in open forum. Dealing with someone privately would be the way that I would go. To come to someone else's " home " and classroom and attack in this way says a lot more about you than about anyone else. I do not say this to be mean or hurtful, but in the hopes that you will look deep inside yourself and seek the answer to why you feel the need to do this. I agree that the discussion would be better taken off the group. Those of us who KNOW have decided for ourselves based on our own experiences what he is like, his level of honesty and committment. Your statements and revealings of private emails are not going to shatter that and unless that is what you are going for I can't see why you are being so public about it. Sarita , " Pam " <mystick53 wrote: > > Chrism, > > Don't try to turn my words against me. It's unworthy of you, a > teacher. > > You said, " You are free to leave " . What would be the usual response > to a statement such as that? Obviously, just what my reaction was. > > And, don't patronize me. I know what " projecting " means. > > Why haven't you addressed the Real Issue here? That you gave > me " medical advice " , and when I reacted, you said that I was twisting > your words. You are still maintaining that it is I, who is in the > wrong, not you ... > > > > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > This what Im writing about Pam. I say: > > > > " You are free to leave " . > > > > You say: > > > > So, you are asking me to leave? > > > > This is the beginning of a twist in what is being communicated. > > Changing a statement into an implied but unarticulated command that > is > > far from the statement written. This is what you have done and its > > called " projecting " . This can mean that you are only reading what > you > > want to read regardless of what is actually being communicated. > > > > You can stay or go. You indicated to Becky that you must leave so > this > > is where that idea came from - you. - c > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Pam, has said those same those same words to me or something very similar not so long ago. My response was: I replied back that I did not want to leave. Just because that was your response, doesn't mean it is the usual. Not everyone responds the same as you. Love Linda , " Pam " <mystick53 wrote: > > Chrism, > > Don't try to turn my words against me. It's unworthy of you, a > teacher. > > You said, " You are free to leave " . What would be the usual response > to a statement such as that? Obviously, just what my reaction was. > > And, don't patronize me. I know what " projecting " means. > > Why haven't you addressed the Real Issue here? That you gave > me " medical advice " , and when I reacted, you said that I was twisting > your words. You are still maintaining that it is I, who is in the > wrong, not you ... > > > > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > This what Im writing about Pam. I say: > > > > " You are free to leave " . > > > > You say: > > > > So, you are asking me to leave? > > > > This is the beginning of a twist in what is being communicated. > > Changing a statement into an implied but unarticulated command that > is > > far from the statement written. This is what you have done and its > > called " projecting " . This can mean that you are only reading what > you > > want to read regardless of what is actually being communicated. > > > > You can stay or go. You indicated to Becky that you must leave so > this > > is where that idea came from - you. - c > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Well said Sarita lets get back to what this list is about. A phrase the English use a lot is ''dont wash your dirty linens in public''. That means keep the arguments behind closed doors,and work things out. Dont involve the rest of us. This list has soooo many e-mails to read...some of us who are busy do not have time, to get thro it all. This stuff ................ It kills the joy flame. We are all deciding on a Conference and if we can make it..........at Easter weekend no less. The most difficult time to leave family obligations........Easier for the single persons but not the families. It dampens the passion to get together for a Conference Makes a person think. OH!!!! will there be lots of unsaid, Political crap and critics there gossiping about the Leader and who said what about so and so. Sorry guys i have been there seen this before. So unless we come up higher with each other and really Adore the Christ in each other, Unless we see the Shinning Ones and The Holy Fire of Christ as being real goals ...........a place in our Hearts where we can meet meet another person in love. Without having to be ''riight''without having to have the LAST WORD,on a subject. Then these exchanges have made the decision for me not to attend. Why bother!!!! It makes this group into just another group where people exchange ''HUMAN SUBSTANCE''. The Shinning Ones and Guru/Chela realtionship and taking vows to be an Apprentice is actually being tested here ''right now'' to see if there is the ATTAINMENT in this group to carry these next Intiiations. Upstairs is looking carefully at what will be the out come,can we pass these tests!!!!!!!!!!! Get past our own ''STUFF AND BAGGAGE'' and arguments ''justified or not justified.'' I think we need to chill on Medical issues too,it seems to be getting out of hand. I feel the minimum of Medical issues should be discussed openly,then use the Healing forum for good ethical loving change and healing. Or not as the case may be............................................................. some people learn more by being sick than being well. If thats not enough then i think people should use their ''own Christhood to find the answers'' to Health issues. Sorry if this is too blunt for anyone,but if you really think you can get into the higher Etheric Levels with these lower vibrations. think again you are not even close. Blessings Igor. May we all pass every Test. Lets shift up again and get back into our Hearts please. : sarita1969: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:44:14 +0000 Re: Hello Pam Pam, I have twenty some more messages to get through and this one was my breaking point. I can barely continue to read these messages as the negativity is emanating from them.I feel it is improper to share private emails with others. I am shocked that all of this is posted in open forum. Dealing with someone privately would be the way that I would go. To come to someone else's " home " and classroom and attack in this way says a lot more about you than about anyone else. I do not say this to be mean or hurtful, but in the hopes that you will look deep inside yourself and seek the answer to why you feel the need to do this.I agree that the discussion would be better taken off the group. Those of us who KNOW have decided for ourselves based on our own experiences what he is like, his level of honesty and committment. Your statements and revealings of private emails are not going to shatter that and unless that is what you are going for I can't see why you are being so public about it.Sarita , " Pam " <mystick53 wrote:>> Chrism,> > Don't try to turn my words against me. It's unworthy of you, a > teacher.> > You said, " You are free to leave " . What would be the usual response > to a statement such as that? Obviously, just what my reaction was.> > And, don't patronize me. I know what " projecting " means.> > Why haven't you addressed the Real Issue here? That you gave > me " medical advice " , and when I reacted, you said that I was twisting > your words. You are still maintaining that it is I, who is in the > wrong, not you ...> > > > > --- In , " chrism " > <@> wrote:> >> > This what Im writing about Pam. I say:> > > > " You are free to leave " . > > > > You say:> > > > So, you are asking me to leave?> > > > This is the beginning of a twist in what is being communicated. > > Changing a statement into an implied but unarticulated command that > is > > far from the statement written. This is what you have done and its > > called " projecting " . This can mean that you are only reading what > you > > want to read regardless of what is actually being communicated.> > > > You can stay or go. You indicated to Becky that you must leave so > this > > is where that idea came from - you. - c> >> _______________ Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 AMEN!!! More pennies falling! Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote: Recent Activity 5 New Members 39 New Photos Visit Your Group New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on search. 360° Start Today Get your own place online Endurance Zone on Groups about better endurance. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Hey this group got sooo serious when you Apprentised. Just look at what it stirred up. you must be a real fire cracker to do that. Lets keep up with the fun. Anyone got good jokes to lighten us all up. Joy is the motor of Life. Igor. : beckyjeanrich: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:05:12 -0700RE: Re: Hello Pam AMEN!!! More pennies falling!Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote: Recent Activity5New Members39New PhotosVisit Your Group New web site?Drive traffic now.Get your businesson search. 360°Start TodayGet your ownplace onlineEndurance Zoneon Groups aboutbetter endurance..Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Hey Honey! I was born in Spain, I am like a bowl of spicy hot salsa in a mild way! Cha Cha Cha!, or I should really say OLE! If you knew that I feel soooooo relaxed about my apprenticeship, I don't find it to be the end of me, just my birth. I've got couple of " dirty " jokes I can share, they are pretty pretty funny....but that's just me and I laugh at just about everything. Spicy, firey Love, Becky Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote: Hey this group got sooo serious when you Apprentised. Just look at what it stirred up. you must be a real fire cracker to do that. Lets keep up with the fun. Anyone got good jokes to lighten us all up. Joy is the motor of Life. Igor. : beckyjeanrich: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:05:12 -0700RE: Re: Hello Pam AMEN!!! More pennies falling!Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote: Recent Activity5New Members39New PhotosVisit Your Group New web site?Drive traffic now.Get your businesson search. 360°Start TodayGet your ownplace onlineEndurance Zoneon Groups aboutbetter endurance..Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Then you must be an Aries.they jump off tall buildings. Dirty jokes only offline tho,think what that might start off in the group. Great you feel so relaxed about things ....and i thought the way you defended yourself was great too. Now i see you dancing Flamenco........... Bye i must go to sleep ...got to to get sharp for treatments on Monday. Igor. : beckyjeanrich: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:32:29 -0700RE: Re: Hello Pam Hey Honey! I was born in Spain, I am like a bowl of spicy hot salsa in a mild way! Cha Cha Cha!, or I should really say OLE!If you knew that I feel soooooo relaxed about my apprenticeship, I don't find it to be the end of me, just my birth. I've got couple of " dirty " jokes I can share, they are pretty pretty funny....but that's just me and I laugh at just about everything.Spicy, firey Love,BeckyIgor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote:Hey this group got sooo serious when you Apprentised. Just look at what it stirred up.you must be a real fire cracker to do that.Lets keep up with the fun.Anyone got good jokes to lighten us all up.Joy is the motor of Life.Igor.To: : beckyjeanrich: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:05:12 -0700RE: Re: Hello PamAMEN!!! More pennies falling!Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote: Recent Activity5New Members39New PhotosVisit Your Group New web site?Drive traffic now.Get your businesson search. 360°Start TodayGet your ownplace onlineEndurance Zoneon Groups aboutbetter endurance..Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I have to say that I was very suprised and shocked to see how many newbies were so quick to embrace the idea of becoming an apprentice, I , who have been on this list for over a year and a half spent a long time thinking about it. Perhaps if some people such as sister Pam had spent a little more time thinking things through all the unnessecary fear may not have surfaced. I think what happened was a jumping in too quickly, then fearing the unknown (Chrism). It's difficult to trust people you have not spent time getting to know. A good reminder to think things through calmly, take your time, no hurry. It's easy to get in to a flap when you rush things. I'm sure that Pam never meant to get so emotional, she should have just spent a little more time thinking it all through. Lots of love Elektra x x x _________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I'm sorry Pam, but I have to disagree, rejected the fact that you implied that he TOLD YOU that you HAD TO give up the drugs. He merely STATED an OPINION based on the TEACHINGS that he gives here for the KUNDALINI. You came to this group for advice and teachings, he gave it to you, you rejected it due to fears about your life and then began to attack him. When he said you are free to leave, he was just responding to your earlier desire to reinstate the fact the you are free to do as YOU choose. I do believe that it is you who is misconstruding everything as you seem to be very emotional right now. I do not think you are a bad person or meaning to do it, I think you feel angry and are not thinking straight, this is what LACK OF SURRENDER brings, suffering. I really wish you inner peace and the guts to look at yourself before throwing arrows at everyone else. Love Elektra x x x > > You said, " You are free to leave " . What would be > the usual response > to a statement such as that? Obviously, just what > my reaction was. > > > Why haven't you addressed the Real Issue here? That > you gave > me " medical advice " , and when I reacted, you said > that I was twisting > your words. You are still maintaining that it is I, > who is in the > wrong, not you ... > > > > > --- In > , > " chrism " > <> wrote: > > > > This what Im writing about Pam. I say: > > > > " You are free to leave " . > > > > You say: > > > > So, you are asking me to leave? > > > > This is the beginning of a twist in what is being > communicated. > > Changing a statement into an implied but > unarticulated command that > is > > far from the statement written. This is what you > have done and its > > called " projecting " . This can mean that you are > only reading what > you > > want to read regardless of what is actually being > communicated. > > > > You can stay or go. You indicated to Becky that > you must leave so > this > > is where that idea came from - you. - c > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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