Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 His fear of the unknown is what is being shared. Has nothing really to do with Kundalini. He had a scary experience with the TM and so anything that even distantly resembles a journey into this area scares him. Obviously he didnt read the safeties. - lol You will be given opportunities to grow with or with out us Valarie. You are so kind and deserving that I will guide you privately should you ever need or wish it. - , " Valarie Vousden " <vjvousden wrote: > > My husband broached the subject of the Kundalini posts, which he > happened to read a few of while I was away from the computer. This > initiated a lecture on gullibility, triviality within a serious > subject, actually a dangerous one and not something to toy with, end- > gaining and looking to others for solutions or experiences that are > most private and personal, not to be talked about because most times > there aren't even any words for it. Well, I do agree with the end- > gaining as in wanting to get from point A to point B. One should just > be and allow not " try " to make something happen or say " I'm HERE and > I really want to get THERE " . I couldn't convince him otherwise on the > dangers of it and the lack of help if something went horribly wrong. > He showed me one of the negative websites in opposition to the KAS1 > site. " It's not all happy clappy and NO one is an expert on this, no > one truly understands it. " he says. He's right and he's wrong. I know > what I feel but I know there are unknowns, too. I won't pretend I'm > an expert or that I understand all that can happen. I have only in > the last 3 or 4 months come to really surrender to the K without > reservation. But now this. He says he can't forbid me to follow this > (thank you very much!) but he is most disapproving and very, very > concerned for me. He has been interested in and dabbled in meditation > all his life. He went into Transcendental Meditation for a bit in his > late 20's and did experience an OBE while awake. He didn't know what > it was and it scared the holy shit out of him and he has been against > anything like that sort of thing that can lead to an altered state of > mind ever since. He has only recently started doing a very gentle > form of meditation called Vipisana which is only calming to him. So I > feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to cause > us to fight over something I feel is important and on the other hand > I don't want to do things in secret either. So, I don't know what the > point of my telling you this is, other than to put it out there and > make you aware. I guess I may not be on as much as I have been but I > won't quit it either...and I WILL help with DenDen's healing > incursion! I know I'm not the only one here with a spouse > diametrically opposed to their path. And because I love him and have > no other quarrel with him other than this, I will work with it > somehow. I guess I can ask for your prayers for the highest good here > for both of us. My path and his path. They are intertwined. > > Thanks for listening and you know I hold you all in my heart! > Valarie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Thank you so much, chrism! I know I will continue one way or another, out loud or silently. It will go at it's own pace, maybe slower but it will go. And thank you for your offer of guidance. I'm happy to know you are there. And I know I always have the safeties now and the Tibetans and that they are the backbone (haha) of this path so if there is any doubt or trouble that is what I'll go with first and foremost. I appreciate everyone's support so very much. Thank you, dear friend and brother on this journey! In love and gratitude, Valarie , " chrism " <> wrote: > > His fear of the unknown is what is being shared. Has nothing really > to do with Kundalini. He had a scary experience with the TM and so > anything that even distantly resembles a journey into this area > scares him. > > Obviously he didnt read the safeties. - lol > > You will be given opportunities to grow with or with out us Valarie. > You are so kind and deserving that I will guide you privately should > you ever need or wish it. - > > > > > > > > , " Valarie > Vousden " <vjvousden@> wrote: > > > > My husband broached the subject of the Kundalini posts, which he > > happened to read a few of while I was away from the computer. This > > initiated a lecture on gullibility, triviality within a serious > > subject, actually a dangerous one and not something to toy with, > end- > > gaining and looking to others for solutions or experiences that > are > > most private and personal, not to be talked about because most > times > > there aren't even any words for it. Well, I do agree with the end- > > gaining as in wanting to get from point A to point B. One should > just > > be and allow not " try " to make something happen or say " I'm HERE > and > > I really want to get THERE " . I couldn't convince him otherwise on > the > > dangers of it and the lack of help if something went horribly > wrong. > > He showed me one of the negative websites in opposition to the > KAS1 > > site. " It's not all happy clappy and NO one is an expert on this, > no > > one truly understands it. " he says. He's right and he's wrong. I > know > > what I feel but I know there are unknowns, too. I won't pretend > I'm > > an expert or that I understand all that can happen. I have only in > > the last 3 or 4 months come to really surrender to the K without > > reservation. But now this. He says he can't forbid me to follow > this > > (thank you very much!) but he is most disapproving and very, very > > concerned for me. He has been interested in and dabbled in > meditation > > all his life. He went into Transcendental Meditation for a bit in > his > > late 20's and did experience an OBE while awake. He didn't know > what > > it was and it scared the holy shit out of him and he has been > against > > anything like that sort of thing that can lead to an altered state > of > > mind ever since. He has only recently started doing a very gentle > > form of meditation called Vipisana which is only calming to him. > So I > > feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to > cause > > us to fight over something I feel is important and on the other > hand > > I don't want to do things in secret either. So, I don't know what > the > > point of my telling you this is, other than to put it out there > and > > make you aware. I guess I may not be on as much as I have been but > I > > won't quit it either...and I WILL help with DenDen's healing > > incursion! I know I'm not the only one here with a spouse > > diametrically opposed to their path. And because I love him and > have > > no other quarrel with him other than this, I will work with it > > somehow. I guess I can ask for your prayers for the highest good > here > > for both of us. My path and his path. They are intertwined. > > > > Thanks for listening and you know I hold you all in my heart! > > Valarie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 You brought tears to my eyes Val! Love ya girl! Love, Katherine Valarie Vousden <vjvousden Sunday, November 4, 2007 10:32:14 AM Re: No progress with husband on K... - Valarie Thank you so much, chrism! I know I will continue one way or another, out loud or silently. It will go at it's own pace, maybe slower but it will go. And thank you for your offer of guidance. I'm happy to know you are there. And I know I always have the safeties now and the Tibetans and that they are the backbone (haha) of this path so if there is any doubt or trouble that is what I'll go with first and foremost. I appreciate everyone's support so very much. Thank you, dear friend and brother on this journey! In love and gratitude, Valarie Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " chrism " <@ ...> wrote: > > His fear of the unknown is what is being shared. Has nothing really > to do with Kundalini. He had a scary experience with the TM and so > anything that even distantly resembles a journey into this area > scares him. > > Obviously he didnt read the safeties. - lol > > You will be given opportunities to grow with or with out us Valarie. > You are so kind and deserving that I will guide you privately should > you ever need or wish it. - > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " Valarie > Vousden " <vjvousden@> wrote: > > > > My husband broached the subject of the Kundalini posts, which he > > happened to read a few of while I was away from the computer. This > > initiated a lecture on gullibility, triviality within a serious > > subject, actually a dangerous one and not something to toy with, > end- > > gaining and looking to others for solutions or experiences that > are > > most private and personal, not to be talked about because most > times > > there aren't even any words for it. Well, I do agree with the end- > > gaining as in wanting to get from point A to point B. One should > just > > be and allow not " try " to make something happen or say " I'm HERE > and > > I really want to get THERE " . I couldn't convince him otherwise on > the > > dangers of it and the lack of help if something went horribly > wrong. > > He showed me one of the negative websites in opposition to the > KAS1 > > site. " It's not all happy clappy and NO one is an expert on this, > no > > one truly understands it. " he says. He's right and he's wrong. I > know > > what I feel but I know there are unknowns, too. I won't pretend > I'm > > an expert or that I understand all that can happen. I have only in > > the last 3 or 4 months come to really surrender to the K without > > reservation. But now this. He says he can't forbid me to follow > this > > (thank you very much!) but he is most disapproving and very, very > > concerned for me. He has been interested in and dabbled in > meditation > > all his life. He went into Transcendental Meditation for a bit in > his > > late 20's and did experience an OBE while awake. He didn't know > what > > it was and it scared the holy shit out of him and he has been > against > > anything like that sort of thing that can lead to an altered state > of > > mind ever since. He has only recently started doing a very gentle > > form of meditation called Vipisana which is only calming to him. > So I > > feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to > cause > > us to fight over something I feel is important and on the other > hand > > I don't want to do things in secret either. So, I don't know what > the > > point of my telling you this is, other than to put it out there > and > > make you aware. I guess I may not be on as much as I have been but > I > > won't quit it either...and I WILL help with DenDen's healing > > incursion! I know I'm not the only one here with a spouse > > diametrically opposed to their path. And because I love him and > have > > no other quarrel with him other than this, I will work with it > > somehow. I guess I can ask for your prayers for the highest good > here > > for both of us. My path and his path. They are intertwined. > > > > Thanks for listening and you know I hold you all in my heart! > > Valarie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 I feel for you Valarie, for I am in much the same situation, except my hubby doesn't even want to hear about what I am doing and doesn't seem to care as long as it doesn't effect him. The problem with me is I think it does effect him, but he doesn't know that yet. I feel some guilt about that at times, but then I think, if he wants to stay ingorant of what is happening, that is his choice. Linda , " Valarie Vousden " <vjvousden wrote: > > Thank you so much, chrism! I know I will continue one way or another, > out loud or silently. It will go at it's own pace, maybe slower but > it will go. And thank you for your offer of guidance. I'm happy to > know you are there. And I know I always have the safeties now and the > Tibetans and that they are the backbone (haha) of this path so if > there is any doubt or trouble that is what I'll go with first and > foremost. I appreciate everyone's support so very much. > Thank you, dear friend and brother on this journey! > In love and gratitude, > Valarie > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > His fear of the unknown is what is being shared. Has nothing really > > to do with Kundalini. He had a scary experience with the TM and so > > anything that even distantly resembles a journey into this area > > scares him. > > > > Obviously he didnt read the safeties. - lol > > > > You will be given opportunities to grow with or with out us > Valarie. > > You are so kind and deserving that I will guide you privately > should > > you ever need or wish it. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Valarie > > Vousden " <vjvousden@> wrote: > > > > > > My husband broached the subject of the Kundalini posts, which he > > > happened to read a few of while I was away from the computer. > This > > > initiated a lecture on gullibility, triviality within a serious > > > subject, actually a dangerous one and not something to toy with, > > end- > > > gaining and looking to others for solutions or experiences that > > are > > > most private and personal, not to be talked about because most > > times > > > there aren't even any words for it. Well, I do agree with the end- > > > gaining as in wanting to get from point A to point B. One should > > just > > > be and allow not " try " to make something happen or say " I'm HERE > > and > > > I really want to get THERE " . I couldn't convince him otherwise on > > the > > > dangers of it and the lack of help if something went horribly > > wrong. > > > He showed me one of the negative websites in opposition to the > > KAS1 > > > site. " It's not all happy clappy and NO one is an expert on this, > > no > > > one truly understands it. " he says. He's right and he's wrong. I > > know > > > what I feel but I know there are unknowns, too. I won't pretend > > I'm > > > an expert or that I understand all that can happen. I have only > in > > > the last 3 or 4 months come to really surrender to the K without > > > reservation. But now this. He says he can't forbid me to follow > > this > > > (thank you very much!) but he is most disapproving and very, very > > > concerned for me. He has been interested in and dabbled in > > meditation > > > all his life. He went into Transcendental Meditation for a bit in > > his > > > late 20's and did experience an OBE while awake. He didn't know > > what > > > it was and it scared the holy shit out of him and he has been > > against > > > anything like that sort of thing that can lead to an altered > state > > of > > > mind ever since. He has only recently started doing a very gentle > > > form of meditation called Vipisana which is only calming to him. > > So I > > > feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to > > cause > > > us to fight over something I feel is important and on the other > > hand > > > I don't want to do things in secret either. So, I don't know what > > the > > > point of my telling you this is, other than to put it out there > > and > > > make you aware. I guess I may not be on as much as I have been > but > > I > > > won't quit it either...and I WILL help with DenDen's healing > > > incursion! I know I'm not the only one here with a spouse > > > diametrically opposed to their path. And because I love him and > > have > > > no other quarrel with him other than this, I will work with it > > > somehow. I guess I can ask for your prayers for the highest good > > here > > > for both of us. My path and his path. They are intertwined. > > > > > > Thanks for listening and you know I hold you all in my heart! > > > Valarie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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